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[2:06] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing routing issues. We'll keep you posted on wallops. To turn on wallops, depending on your client: "/umode +w" or "/mode yournick +w" .... thanks!
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[2:23] [freenode-connect VERSION]
[2:24] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing routing problems, probably to do with level3, and we're not sure the routes we have will remain stable. Further detail messages will appear via wallops. You can receive wallops on your status window via one of the following commands: "/umode +w" or "/mode YOURNICK +w". Thanks.
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[2:31] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. If you're interested, and please show care and tact in joining, we're setting up a ##level3 channel to track what's going on. Thanks.
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[4:00] <linyos> man, the speed of light is bad for darknet latency.
[4:00] <linyos> it takes 67ms to send a message to the other side of the globe.
[4:02] <linyos> and the irony is that streams have it twice as bad.
[4:45] <linyos> just as bad, anyway.
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[6:21] <toad_> 67ms?
[6:21] <toad_> via a geostationary satellite maybe
[6:21] <toad_> light travels seriously fast...
[6:22] <toad_> sorry, two geostationary satellites
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[6:24] <toad_> yikes, that's bad
[6:24] * toad_ needs to install i2p
[6:26] <linyos> around half the earth's circumference, actually.
[6:26] <toad_> ummm
[6:27] <toad_> hmm okay
[6:27] <toad_> half the earth's circumference is ~ 30,000km
[6:27] <toad_> so yeah i suppose
[6:27] <linyos> 40075000 / 2 / 299792458 * 1000
[6:28] <linyos> (the ratio of half the earth's circumference to the distance light travels in one second)
[6:34] <toad_> in practice ping times from europe to australia are rather more than that
[6:37] <linyos> it amuses me though.
[6:38] <linyos> that complex communications around something as small as one planet could be so constrained in latency by the speed of light.
[6:38] <linyos> practically, it does rule out some applications.
[6:41] <toad_> heh
[6:41] <toad_> one planet is huge... it's just that space is mind-bogglingly huge
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[8:41] <toad_> okay, that's probably the stupidest idea for a freesite i've seen yet
[8:41] <toad_> SSK@ZDkF~FLbPpMuprqdyrt7dPgZ3YIPAgM,deOpdmHFQxPfyvJIGC9ZbQ/ChrisProposal/10//
[8:41] <toad_> it's exactly what it says
[8:41] <toad_> he took a photo of him proposing to his gf. that's his freesite. that's it. that's all.
[8:42] <Markaci> Heh
[8:43] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. Due to the level3 problems, we're left needing some rehubbing. This should take but a couple of minutes, but it will be high impact. Apologies in advance.
[8:43] <toad_> now
[8:43] <toad_> hi folks
[8:43] <toad_> ian doesn't seem to be around...
[8:43] <Markaci> Hi Mr. Toseland.
[8:43] <toad_> hi Markaci
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[8:46] -lilo- [Global Notice] All done. Thanks to everyone for your patience, and thank you for using freenode! Have a great afternoon.
[8:49] <toad_> hmmm
[8:49] <toad_> i need to talk to ian re pub/sub, SSKs etc... and he's not here, and he's not on skype
[8:49] <toad_> and he's not responding to email
[9:02] <toad_> hmmm
[9:02] <toad_> SSKs or metadata/splitfiles/etc?
[9:02] <toad_> probably the latter
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[9:59] <toad_> is there any reason for me not to use Bucket in freenet 0.7?
[9:59] <toad_> I suppose I could use java.nio.Buffer?
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[11:38] <toad_> bbiab
[12:04] <linyos> "The Senate Commerce Committee, by a 19-3 vote, passed a bill that provides a $3 billion subsidy to ensure that analog TV sets don't go dark when the switch to digital TV is completed."
[12:05] <greycat> yeah, because those poor TV companies needed more money...
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[13:03] <toad_> greycat: :)
[13:04] <toad_> linyos: so what is the money paying for exactly?
[13:07] <linyos> decoder boxes, i guess.
[13:08] <toad_> so it's not for the poor TV companies in theory, it's so the poor TV companies can offer free switchover for their poor customers?
[13:08] * toad_ can see some sense in that...
[13:09] <toad_> don't want a "digital tv divide" developing...
[13:10] <toad_> now, how to implement archive manifests (aka zip manifests)...
[13:11] <toad_> hmmm
[13:11] <toad_> the easy way doesn't support nested archive manifests
[13:11] <toad_> is that a problem?
[13:12] <toad_> i.e. zips within zips
[13:16] <linyos> just make it good enough in the common case, imho.
[13:16] <linyos> there is no point in getting worked up over peripheral issues.
[13:17] <toad_> ah
[13:17] <toad_> i missed something in the spec
[13:17] <toad_> something vital
[13:17] <toad_> well within the context of zip manifests :)
[13:18] <toad_> zip manifests don't contain metadata
[13:18] <toad_> they don't contain an actual manifest anyway
[13:18] <toad_> the manifest is in .metadata in the zipfile
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[13:20] <toad_> so
[13:21] <toad_> hmmm
[13:21] * toad_ thinks we need some recursion here for zip manifests
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[16:00] <toad_> what do people prefer for "zip manifests" ? zip files? tar.gz? tar.bz2? all 3?
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[19:56] <phretor> hi there
[19:56] <phretor> freenetproject.org is kinda slow guys
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