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[2:16] <nextgens> hi
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[3:54] <nextgens> sanity: hi :=
[3:54] <nextgens> :)
[3:54] <nextgens> I've got a problem building snapshoots :$
[3:54] <nextgens> ant is saying : package javax.servlet.http does not exist
[3:54] <nextgens> and I don't know why
[3:55] <nextgens> any idea ?
[3:55] <nextgens> svn-build@emu:~/build/unstable$ java -version
[3:55] <nextgens> java version "1.4.2_09"
[3:58] <linyos> you have to put that library in your $CLASSPATH
[3:58] <linyos> CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/where/ever/javax/is java blah blah lbah
[3:59] <nextgens> I know ;)
[4:00] <linyos> oh well, i dunno then
[4:00] <nextgens> but I don't understand why javax isn't : it should be included in sun's JVM, shouldn't it ?
[4:00] <nextgens> hu :/
[4:01] <nextgens> it's in Contrib :$
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[4:26] <nextgens> sanity: I still have problem in building snapshoots however :
[4:27] <nextgens> now updates to /trunk/contrib are now propagated to the SF snapshoot
[4:27] <nextgens> as updates to /branches/legacy/* ... if the build succeed ;)
[4:28] <nextgens> wich is not the case ATM
[4:28] <nextgens> website updating is working
[4:29] <nextgens> and /tags are built but now updated : I dunno how should I call them ; maybe using the tag's name :/
[4:29] * nextgens is now working on how-to-update the ref.s files properly
[4:29] <nextgens> sanity: I need your point here :
[4:30] <nextgens> what about using SVN to centralize "data grabbing" ?
[4:31] <nextgens> I mean, every people wanting to share his refs could upload a file (link) somewhere on the svn repository and the script will fetch and aggregate it ...
[4:31] <nextgens> or should it stay as it was : static as people have to be trusted enough ?
[4:33] <nextgens> of course, we could restrict read access to this part of the repository
[4:34] <nextgens> most of the current sources aren't working atm
[4:34] <nextgens> :|
[4:34] * nextgens brb
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[6:05] * nextgens bbl
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[9:12] <nextgens> greycat: isn't system prng's fault ?
[9:12] <nextgens> do you have some entropy aviable ?
[9:12] <nextgens> toad_: hi
[9:13] <greycat> nextgens: I don't think it's entropy. If I'm transcoding DVDs into smaller files, which is a highly CPU-bound operation, the freenet node startup just sits there on "starting file system" for an hour or two.
[9:13] <greycat> I've seen it start right up if I kill -STOP the transcode process for a minute.
[9:15] <nextgens> and if you strace the process ?
[9:15] <nextgens> I mean : ps auxf |less
[9:15] <nextgens> grep the sleeping pid
[9:15] <nextgens> and then :
[9:16] <greycat> can't do it now, because it eventually started up
[9:16] <nextgens> strace -p $pid
[9:16] <nextgens> ah, ok :)
[9:16] <nextgens> think about filling a bug report next time ;)
[9:16] <greycat> I'm not sure if it just went ahead and started despite the load, or whether it did it in the lull between the first and second passes of the video transcoding
[9:16] <nextgens> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ ;)
[9:26] <nextgens> toad_: could you please go and validate your account on mantis logging in ? :)
[9:35] <linyos> clearly the combination of freenet and dvd ripping has overloaded your motherboard's piracy coprocessor
[9:35] <linyos> you will have to install another parrot
[9:35] <linyos> and wear an eye patch
[9:35] <linyos> from now on
[9:36] <nextgens> :D
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[10:20] <nextgens> toad_: here ?
[10:31] <nextgens> sanity: here ?
[10:31] <sanity> hi nextgens
[10:31] <nextgens> :)
[10:31] <nextgens> do you want me to convert your ssh+svn repository to a https one ?
[10:32] <sanity> that is a kind offer, but i think i might just leave it the way it is for the time being
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[10:33] <nextgens> ok
[10:34] <nextgens> should I setup a "websvn" tool on emu ?
[10:35] <nextgens> or any maillinglist searching tool ?
[10:35] * nextgens has got 2 hours of spare time :)
[10:37] <nextgens> sanity: what's your opinion on "how to get references" ?
[10:37] <nextgens> should we do it only from 'trusted' peers
[10:37] <sanity> well, in the long term, no
[10:38] <nextgens> or should we allow people to contribute submitting some ?
[10:38] <sanity> people should be free to only connect to trusted peers if they want to, or to connect to strangers if they prefer that
[10:38] <sanity> i don't understand your question
[10:39] * nextgens was talking about the "seednode updating" script of the current "legacy" code
[10:39] <nextgens> :$
[10:39] <sanity> ah, ok
[10:39] <nextgens> you know, the ugly one running on dodo ;)
[10:39] <nextgens> wich is fetching refs. from various places
[10:39] <toad_> hi
[10:39] <sanity> yes, we should probably just use a few URLs for trusted peers
[10:40] <nextgens> toad_: hi :)
[10:40] <sanity> ...as we do on dodo
[10:40] <sanity> we could probably keep that list of peers in subversion - i suppose
[10:40] <sanity> hi toad
[10:40] <sanity> happy monday
[10:41] <nextgens> of course we can :) but the main question is do we want it to ? I mean
[10:41] <toad_> lol linyos
[10:41] <nextgens> the only goal of poutting it in subversion IMO is to allow people to upload links to their refs... but If we don't want to get them :|
[10:42] <sanity> true
[10:42] <sanity> that is probably not worth it then
[10:42] <sanity> we should probably just use a few peers from volunteers
[10:42] <toad_> i dunno
[10:42] <nextgens> neither do I that's why I ask ;)
[10:42] <toad_> if we give them svn access we probably trust them more than many of the folks who contribute sources
[10:43] <toad_> and since all changes go to the list... i think we should keep the various url-lists in svn
[10:43] <nextgens> toad_: no ; we could allow "anon" upload somewhere in the tree ... with quotas and so on
[10:43] <toad_> nextgens: maybe, but not to trunk
[10:44] <nextgens> yes, that was the idea
[10:44] <toad_> if we can allow people to automatically make a branch of their own, upload their changes, and tell us, that would be pretty cool
[10:44] <toad_> possibly a good substitute for distributed RCS
[10:45] <toad_> now, how do i get into MANTIS?
[10:45] * nextgens wasn't thinking about 'creating a branch' but just uploading a small line in a file, ; a link to where to fetch their node's ref
[10:45] <nextgens> toad_: https://bugs.freenetproject.org
[10:45] <toad_> nextgens: no, i mean for contributions in general
[10:46] <toad_> as in code
[10:46] <nextgens> we can ... but we will be subject to DoS
[10:46] <toad_> since branches are free in SVN... but yeah, spamming and DoS
[10:46] <nextgens> so we will have to set up quotas and so one
[10:46] <nextgens> on
[10:46] <toad_> i don't see how quotas help
[10:46] <toad_> well i suppose against naive DoS
[10:46] <nextgens> you can have "precommit quotas"
[10:47] <nextgens> yes, agreed
[10:47] <nextgens> a skilled attacker will manage to bypass it
[10:47] <toad_> i suppose for non-naive, you just have a global quota for all anon contributors
[10:47] <toad_> and if that's exceeded, don't allow any new ones
[10:47] <toad_> nextgens: can you send me an email to mtoseland@blueyonder.co.uk please?
[10:48] <nextgens> done
[10:48] <toad_> nextgens: please reset my password on mantis
[10:48] <nextgens> toad_: to login ; go there and say "I forgot my password" ...
[10:48] <toad_> okay
[10:48] <nextgens> your login is toad
[10:49] <nextgens> and your mail your current one
[10:49] <toad_> it just produces the same login form
[10:49] <nextgens> yes and should have mailled to you your password
[10:49] <toad_> it didn't ask me for my email address
[10:49] <toad_> should it have?
[10:50] <nextgens> maybe not
[10:50] <toad_> "Lost your password" is just a link isn't it?
[10:50] <nextgens> It will send a mail to you anyway
[10:50] <toad_> in which case it should bring up a page...
[10:50] <nextgens> toad_: no
[10:50] <nextgens> toad_: it's an argument to the 'index.php'
[10:51] * nextgens is parsing postfix logs to see if the mail has been sent
[10:51] <nextgens> toad_: you should get it
[10:51] <nextgens> it has been sent
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[10:52] <nextgens> from admin@freenetproject.org
[10:52] <toad_> hmmm
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[10:52] <toad_> is blogcast supposed to be on the emu.freenetproject.org bt?
[10:52] <nextgens> toad_: I need your help to build snapshoots on emu :$
[10:52] <toad_> sanity:
[10:52] <nextgens> yes
[10:52] <nextgens> as we are sharing mantis
[10:52] <toad_> ah
[10:52] <toad_> blogcast is a public project then?
[10:52] <nextgens> but you are seeing it as you are admin
[10:53] <nextgens> no
[10:53] <nextgens> at least I don't think so
[10:53] <toad_> so regular users can't see them?
[10:53] <sanity> toad: yes, blogcast is a cematics project
[10:53] <toad_> okay
[10:53] <sanity> toad: and no, it should not be public
[10:53] <toad_> i will report a freenet issue
[10:53] <toad_> "Ship Freenet 0.7"
[10:54] <toad_> there are no visible freenet issues
[10:54] <toad_> sorry bbiab
[10:54] <nextgens> :/
[10:54] <nextgens> toad_: when you are back, please have a look to ~svn-build/bin
[10:55] <nextgens> the svn-data user is touching a file in ~svn-build/locks
[10:56] <nextgens> and a crontab job is waiting for a file to spawn in there ... and will build up snapshoots and so on ...
[10:56] <nextgens> but ATM, the ant building is failling :/
[10:56] <nextgens> and I don't know why ^u how to fix it :$
[11:03] * nextgens is not able to fetch the trunk from subeclipse either :/
[11:04] <nextgens> I think .classpath ; .project and so on shouldn't be in the trunk
[11:04] <nextgens> as most of them are path dependent ... system dependants
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[11:54] <nextgens> I fixed my subeclipse problem :)
[11:55] * nextgens will go soon if toad isn't back
[12:08] <nextgens> seeya tomorrow
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[12:32] <toad_> hi
[12:34] <toad_> hmmm
[12:34] <toad_> no bugs now
[12:34] <toad_> sanity: no bugs
[12:34] <sanity> toad:
[12:35] <toad_> sanity: did you or nextgens change it?
[12:35] <sanity> ?
[12:35] <sanity> change what?
[12:35] <toad_> or is it because i set the default project to freenet?
[12:35] <toad_> maybe the stats, view etc are per project?
[12:35] <toad_> sanity: in mantis
[12:35] <toad_> sanity: i did have some of your bugs visible, but no longer
[12:35] <sanity> have any bugs been submitted to Freenet?
[12:35] <toad_> did you change it, or am i only able to look at one project at a time?
[12:36] <sanity> i didn't change anything
[12:36] <toad_> not that i know of...
[12:36] <toad_> i will add one
[12:36] <toad_> category: core/fred/installer
[12:36] <toad_> hrrm
[12:36] <toad_> interesting categories
[12:37] <toad_> sanity: should i add a meta-bug for shipping 0.7?
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[12:39] <sanity> i'm not sure that really achieves anything
[12:39] <toad_> okay, that worked
[12:39] <toad_> it tested mantis :)
[12:40] <toad_> well, mozilla uses meta-bugs for various similar purposes
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[12:44] <sanity> i don't think it works too well in Mantis
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[15:09] <dli> how much ram is required to run a 80GB data store?
[15:10] <Eol> not related
[15:10] <Eol> think of the data store like a file on your hard drive
[15:10] <Eol> unrelated to RAM
[15:10] <dli> Eol: yes, but it's indexed
[15:11] <dli> Eol I have only 384MB in total
[15:12] <Eol> your good
[15:12] <Eol> but somebody can prob. tell you better than I :)
[15:12] <Eol> freenet is a memory hog
[15:12] <Eol> just don't think its related to data store size
[15:13] <greycat> it is, and it is.
[15:13] <dli> greycat: I figured out using parallelGC, it's fine now
[15:13] <dli> Eol: 384 is the maximum for my laptop
[15:13] <greycat> dli: um... ok, whatever that means.
[15:14] <dli> greycat, I think I may spend $100 to get a 80GB hdd for my laptop, but I worry about memory limit of running a large data store
[15:15] <greycat> toad would know the details better than I do.
[15:18] <dli> greycat, on your flog, you mentioned you used up your 700MB mxm. Just wondering if you use parallelGC, it might solve your problem
[15:18] <greycat> I "solved" it by going back to java1.4.
[15:19] <dli> greycat, with 1.4, just got 100%cpu with 192MB. With 1.5, I can run 192mb for a week. For me, 1.4 just won't work
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[15:20] <greycat> well, java's evil.
[15:21] <dli> greycat, and I never got 100% cpu in 1.5 with parallelGC on
[15:22] <dli> greycat, also, I couldn't download the movie "The truth of the iraq war" on your flog :(
[15:23] <greycat> it was inserted quite some time ago....
[15:24] <dli> greycat: okay, the truth is changed
[15:24] <greycat> I can try reinserting it, but don't hold your breath.
[15:25] <greycat> or then again....
[15:25] <greycat> griffon:/video/movies$ fput truth_uncovered\:_the_whole_truth_about_the_iraq_war.ogm
[15:25] <greycat> ...
[15:25] <greycat> Exception in thread "FCP Client: FAKESplitFileInsert" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create new native thread
[15:25] * greycat stabs Java
[15:25] <dli> greycat, thanks
[15:25] <dli> hehe, truth rejected
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[15:27] <greycat> "exec su", "ulimit -v 600000", "exec su - greg" ...
[15:28] <dli> greycat, the life time of files is just too short :( a clearly sign of larger data store size
[15:29] <greycat> or better routing.
[15:29] <dli> how life time changes with size increase, does toad hold some simulation results?
[15:29] <greycat> I don't know, ask him :)
[15:30] <dli> greycat, back to work. Thanks for the whole truth.
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[16:37] <sleon|tuX> gregh, hi
[16:37] <sleon|tuX> gregh, is there any soft of gcc switcher for debian which sets links of gcc to specified version like it sets links of all gcc programs to gcc-2.95 programs and another time to gcc-3.3
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