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[2:55] <blah> bug? fproxy was able to send a referrer to a normal internet website from the user's browser. shouldn't it send the CHECKED_HTTP referrer instead?
[2:56] <blah> i see plenty of "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 8175 "http://localhost:8888/__CHECKED_HTTP__$site"
[2:57] <blah> but some "http://127.0.0.1:8888/SSK@swD..."
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[2:57] <blah> c/o "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 8175 "http://127.0.0.1:8888/SSK@swDw..."
[2:58] <blah> user agents that leak that referrer include "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050728 Firefox/1.0.6 (MOOX M3)" and "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; sv-SE; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050717 Firefox/1.0.6"
[2:59] <blah> i can provide the SSK, but from the name, its pretty sketchy (i dont want to propogate it by fetching)
[3:01] <blah> hi sanity, do you know if fproxy is supposed to allow links to remote sites without the intermediate CHECKED_HTTP page anymore?
[3:03] <blah> maybe browser prefetching? i wonder if it would work with img src
[3:04] <blah> </bug report>
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[7:43] <NathanJY> How does pm4pigs work exactly?
[7:44] <NathanJY> I'd read the source, but I can't retrieve it
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[7:46] <NullAcht15> NathanJY: I don't know exactly, either, but I'v been able to figure out quite a bit about how Frost works by just sniffing the FCP traffic between Frost and the freenet node.
[7:46] <NullAcht15> Maybe that works for pm4pigs, too
[7:47] <NathanJY> hmm
[7:48] <NathanJY> heh just got the source
[7:48] <NathanJY> too big, I'm not going to bother
[7:48] <Code-Chris> /msg nickserv set hide email on
[7:48] <NullAcht15> If you don't trust the code, you may want to run it in a chroot jail or in a vmware or something similar
[7:48] <Code-Chris> /msg nickserv set hide email on
[7:48] <NullAcht15> Not going to bother reading it you mean?
[7:49] <NathanJY> not bother reading it to figure out how it works
[7:50] <NullAcht15> Somehow nobody in the freenet world seems to think it's worth their time to publish their protocols. Not even the freenet projetc itself
[7:51] <Code-Chris> at what point shoulw i turn of 'Announce to other nodes'?
[7:51] <NathanJY> heh
[7:51] <NathanJY> actually it's not as big as I thought
[7:51] <NathanJY> I may read through it anywy
[7:52] <NathanJY> freenet doesn't allow you to update existing contet right?
[7:52] <NathanJY> just upload something new?
[7:52] <NullAcht15> yes
[7:52] <Code-Chris> at what point should i turn of 'Announce to other nodes'?*
[7:53] <NullAcht15> well, except for the case of Date Based Redirect
[7:53] <NullAcht15> Code-Chris: not at all. The node will decide itself whether it needs to announce more
[7:54] <Code-Chris> there is an option in the configure window (in the windows version)
[7:54] <Code-Chris> should i leave this ticked or un-ticked
[7:54] <NullAcht15> If you switch it off, your node will gradually become less and less known in the net, essentially marginalising it
[7:54] <NathanJY> put_message and get_messages seem to contain the key code
[7:55] <Code-Chris> ok NullAcht15 so i should leave it ticked then
[7:55] <Code-Chris> or is making it less and less known a good thing for privacy?
[7:55] <NullAcht15> That's another thing which I think the casual user should not even have to come into contact with...
[7:56] <Code-Chris> ok...but should i leave it ticked or not
[7:56] <Code-Chris> it just said when your node is running well you might want to turn it off
[7:56] <Code-Chris> and i wa a bit confused about what 'running well' actually meant
[7:57] <NullAcht15> Code-Chris: Not in the current net. In the current net, you can assume that people who want to find out whether you're running a node or not /will/ be able to find out this much
[7:57] <NathanJY> it uses a key signed key
[7:57] <NathanJY> the name is based on the date
[7:57] <NullAcht15> There's nothing else besides this fact that disabling this option might help to hide
[7:58] <Code-Chris> ok, do i benifit from leaving it ticked
[7:58] <NathanJY> base = public_ksk(destination, day_date()), ksk = base + '-' + conv.string(slot), slot += 1, client = fcp.put(ADDR, meta=META, data=data, uri=ksk
[7:59] <NullAcht15> Well, if I'm right, making it unticked will cause your node to have less and less connections in the long run. Which is not what you want
[7:59] <Code-Chris> so I should leave it ticked then
[7:59] <Code-Chris> ahhh ok
[7:59] <Code-Chris> thats great, thanks alot
[7:59] <Code-Chris> still down at like 15 :( had to reboot so much recently grrr
[8:00] <NullAcht15> I guess so. Maybe there should be FAQ entry about that. I hope toad_ will comment when he's back
[8:00] <NullAcht15> NathanJY: Is that Python?
[8:01] <NathanJY> yes
[8:01] <NullAcht15> is that a language one should learn?
[8:01] <NathanJY> maybe
[8:01] <NullAcht15> okay, that question was stupid
[8:02] <NathanJY> oh I get it
[8:02] <NathanJY> it's like a brute force approahc
[8:02] <NathanJY> it is named like identity+date+slot number
[8:02] <NullAcht15> meaning?
[8:03] <NullAcht15> so roughly the same as frost messages?
[8:03] <NathanJY> when you check your "mail", it forms the n ame of the key by appending the date and sequential numebers to the end of it
[8:03] <NullAcht15> only with identity instead of board name
[8:03] <NathanJY> possibly
[8:03] <NathanJY> I don't know how frost works
[8:03] <NathanJY> er "brute force' wasn't the rigth word to use, but you get the point
[8:03] <NullAcht15> How exact is the date? I suppose it doesn't include seconds or minutes...
[8:04] <NullAcht15> In Frost, it's one day
[8:04] <NathanJY> the day_date function
[8:04] <NathanJY> def day_date ( past=0 ):
[8:04] <NathanJY> secs = long(time.time())
[8:04] <NathanJY> date = secs - (secs % 86400) - (past * 86400)
[8:05] <NathanJY> so it's by the day
[8:05] <NathanJY> 86400 seconds in a day
[8:05] <NullAcht15> so it's practically in integer giving "days since epoch"?
[8:06] <NathanJY> yeah
[8:08] <NullAcht15> cool. That means you can the earlier day or the next one very easily. You can easily compare two days to find out which was earlier. You also don't have to check for invalid dates
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[8:27] <rihanna> hey @ all
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[8:37] <rihanna> hey
[8:37] <rihanna> @all
[8:37] <Code-Chris> hey
[8:38] <rihanna> hm
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[8:46] <rihanna> from where are you
[8:48] <rihanna> hello
[8:57] <NullAcht15> rihanna: this is pretty easy to find out. Just look at the persons hostname and maybe do a whois on it. If you cannot easily find it out this way, the respective person probably doesn't wan tyou to know
[8:58] <rihanna> ok
[9:02] <rihanna> nullacht15
[9:02] <rihanna> hab ne frage
[9:03] <Code-Chris> lol
[9:03] <rihanna> lol was ?
[9:04] <NullAcht15> rihanna: das ist hier ein englischer Channel. Aber frag ruhig
[9:05] <rihanna> where you from
[9:05] <NullAcht15> why does this matter?
[9:05] <rihanna> h??
[9:06] <NullAcht15> rihanna: I told you already, this is an english channel. Please stick to english, you might bother the other residents in this channel by speaking german
[9:07] <rihanna> how old are you
[9:08] <NullAcht15> NullAcht15: Counterquestion: Do you realize you're speaking in a channel dedicated to the development of "Frennet", an Open Source distributed anonymizing P2P storage network?
[9:08] <NullAcht15> er, Freenet, that is
[9:09] <NullAcht15> We might do a little off-topic chatter from time to time, but this is not the point of this channel
[9:10] <rihanna> hello
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[9:18] <Code-Chris> bit harsh tbh
[9:18] <Code-Chris> not like you had anything better to talk about
[9:19] <NullAcht15> not really. But I think she simply got the wrong channel, probably even the wrong network
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[9:20] <Code-Chris> well if you had something about freenet to talk about then talk about it, if you fdont wanna talk to her then dont talk to her but nothing wrong with just chatting
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[10:31] <Elly> you might 'bother' the others?
[10:36] <NullAcht15> those who don't understand german. I thought that it might be considered rude to speak in a language other than english here.
[10:40] <Code-Chris> why
[10:40] <Code-Chris> its her languge
[10:40] <Code-Chris> she was also speaking english
[10:41] <Code-Chris> why is it 'rude' to speak another languge
[10:47] <nextgens> Code-Chris: t'es un boulet toi non ?
[10:48] <nextgens> Code-Chris: isn't it frustating not to understand ?
[10:48] <nextgens> s/frustating/frustrating/
[10:50] <nextgens> Code-Chris: to 'chat', I suggest you to use the appropriate chan. : #freenet-chat ;)
[10:50] <Code-Chris> no its not really
[10:50] <NullAcht15> what's a boulet? Is that a fried meatball?
[10:50] <Code-Chris> if you wanna speak french speak french
[10:51] <Code-Chris> my french gf does a lot
[10:51] <Code-Chris> jeeeze so seriois all the time
[10:51] <Code-Chris> well this aint teh chat chan so you cant just chat in here
[10:52] <NullAcht15> Well, it's just my understanding that it is rude to talk in a public channel (with lots of users in it) in a way that most users there/the target audience there can't understand
[10:53] <Code-Chris> well get over it, people speak lots of differnt languges if it aint yours live with it
[10:53] <Code-Chris> lots of users? is anyone apart form us lot talking? no
[10:53] <Code-Chris> so isnt it rude to go to a forgin country and not speak tehre languge
[10:54] <Code-Chris> like most ignorent english people do and try and speak english all the time
[10:54] <NullAcht15> Code-Chris: It _was_ my language, btw
[10:54] <Code-Chris> great
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[11:47] <NullAcht15> Code-Chris: it can be pretty annoying though, if users in a channel decide to discuss something that actually falls under that channels topic in lanuguage ppl there don't understand
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[13:04] <danderson> any freenet devs around?
[13:07] <danderson> I just had a few questions on the layout of the code in the repository, nothing very important
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[15:00] <Resonant> Gah. I'm having problems getting open connections for Freenet running under XP SP2.
[15:00] <Resonant> Anyone have any pointers?
[15:01] <Resonant> I just upgraded, and Freenet was running well in SP1, then it went to hell in SP2. :(
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[15:37] <NullAcht15> sorry, I've never been using anything but linux for freenet
[15:41] <Resonant> Its ok
[15:41] <Resonant> I got it kinda working
[15:41] <Resonant> but out of 12 connections, only 1 is incoming. :|
[15:41] <Resonant> Im not behind a router/firewall/NAT, etc.
[15:54] <NullAcht15> how long has the node been running now?
[15:55] <NullAcht15> SP2 has an integrated personal firewall, doesn't it? Maybe that's got something to do with it
[15:56] <Resonant> Its been running for about an hour and a half.
[15:56] <Resonant> And the personal firewall is disabled.
[15:58] <Resonant> Woah.
[15:58] <Resonant> I just restarted freenet
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[15:58] <Resonant> and every connection is incoming.
[15:58] <Resonant> Yay. :)
[16:01] <NullAcht15> how many?
[16:01] <Resonant> 14
[16:01] <NullAcht15> that's not surprising, btw, this happens often if you restart your node without getting a changed IP
[16:01] <Resonant> and 4 outbound
[16:02] <Resonant> When earlier, it was 1 inbound out of 20 total. :|
[16:02] <Resonant> I also have Frost running all the time
[16:03] <NullAcht15> this probably just means your node isn't known well enough in the network yet. the 14 incoming connections are probably the same node to which you had outgoing connections moments ago
[16:03] <NullAcht15> er, the same nodes
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[16:04] <Resonant> They are. :)
[16:04] <Resonant> The ISP changed my IP from 68.x.x.x (which I had for months) to 70.x.x.x a few days ago
[16:16] <Resonant> Is there more content on Stable or Unstable?
[16:16] <Resonant> Im guess stable? :|
[16:16] <Resonant> **guessing
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[16:32] <NullAcht15> I haven't been on unstable in a long time
[16:33] <NullAcht15> IMO, by now there isn't any point anymore in havin an unstable net anyway, because there isn't any development going on on it
[16:33] <Resonant> Exactly.
[16:34] <Resonant> With 0.7 Development, it seems futile
[16:34] <Resonant> Damnit, I'm trying to get the spider
[16:34] <Resonant> and I can't get a successful pull
[16:35] <NullAcht15> by the way, x-ing out your IP address doesn't help terribly much here - it is included in your hostname anyway...
[16:36] <NullAcht15> hm, I'm usually getting more than one IP change per day and my node is still doing fairly well
[16:38] <Resonant> I know
[16:39] <Resonant> Its the fact Im too damned lazy to look it up.
[16:39] <Resonant> I just know the first two numbers
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[18:20] <tefsom> hi all
[18:20] <phrosty> hi
[18:20] <tefsom> i've notice lots of indexes are not updated
[18:20] <tefsom> so
[18:20] <tefsom> do u know something new?
[18:21] <phrosty> in freenet? no
[18:21] <phrosty> usually just use DFI
[18:21] <tefsom> DFI?
[18:21] <tefsom> what's?
[18:21] <phrosty> http://127.0.0.1:8888/SSK@sPolFAwS69lG2Le~TTRzNEVarcEPAgM/DFI//
[18:21] <tefsom> i usually use frost but it's not exciting
[18:23] <tefsom> phrosty: cannot see anything on DFI
[18:23] <phrosty> ok
[18:23] <tefsom> is there a client?
[18:23] <tefsom> or something for download and upload?
[18:24] <tefsom> but i mean something more populated by users
[18:24] <tefsom> cause frost, for example, is not very full
[18:25] <tefsom> is there?
[18:26] <phrosty> you want something like frost?
[18:26] <tefsom> ya
[18:26] <phrosty> i don't know of anything else like it
[18:26] <tefsom> or something that work
[18:26] <tefsom> works
[18:26] <tefsom> cause in frost i'm the only one uploading lots of things :-)
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[18:29] <Zirkon> Hi I a have a problem with the client it is starting up for hours
[18:29] <Zirkon> The following error is the first i can find in the log
[18:29] <Zirkon> Oct 9, 2005 8:48:36 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): Failed to load service: mainport
[18:30] <Zirkon> I punched a hole in my router/firewall
[18:30] <Zirkon> and made the router address visible
[18:30] <tefsom> i've Route not Found everywhere or so
[18:31] <Zirkon> I also keep getting java errors
[18:31] <Zirkon> Oct 9, 2005 8:48:36 PM (freenet.node.Main, main): Failed to load service: mainport
[18:32] <Zirkon> 10, 2005 12:35:55 AM (freenet.node.ds.FSDataStoreElement$KeyInputStreamImpl, Finalizer): Please close() me manually in finalizer: Key: b002a90c1bf6ababe3f19eaa51f4f595f0959938120302 Buffer: freenet.fs.dir.NativeFSDirectory$ExternalNativeBuffer@cd1eaf:0x1 : b002a90c1bf6ababe3f19eaa51f4f595f0959938120302:temp:262641:ec6ec8893f5a079d New: true ( 0 of 262460 read)
[18:32] <Zirkon> java.lang.IllegalStateException: unclosed
[18:33] <tefsom> who knows "good" boards for frost?
[18:33] <tefsom> phrosty: do u?
[18:33] <NullAcht15> phrosty: Are you on unstable? I haven't seen a new edition of DFI here for a long time
[18:33] <phrosty> nope, am on stable
[18:34] <phrosty> does DFI get put on unstable too? i thought there was only FIND
[18:34] <NullAcht15> tefsom: How would we know what kind of boards you#d consider "good"
[18:34] <tefsom> good == full of people
[18:35] <NullAcht15> phrosty: Not to my knowledge. I asked because, as I said, I haven't seen DFI on stable for a long time
[18:35] <tefsom> good could mean full of "things"
[18:36] <NullAcht15> tefsom: erm, the ones most full of people are the ones that come with the default install
[18:36] <tefsom> hmmm
[18:36] <NullAcht15> for obvious reasons
[18:37] <NullAcht15> You have a strange definition of "good"
[18:38] <NullAcht15> Okay, an empty board isn't of much use, but I'd hardly take the number of people present as a measure of quality for a board...
[18:38] <tefsom> well NullAcht15 audio and video files
[18:38] <tefsom> i meant this
[18:38] <NullAcht15> hm, better ask on Frost, or lurk a little. There is a mp3 board and a movies board
[18:39] <tefsom> nice
[18:40] <NullAcht15> I'd advise against trying to use frost's integrated file search function. it's terribly broken
[18:41] <tefsom> uh
[18:41] <tefsom> really?
[18:42] <NullAcht15> Yes, IMO they broke it when they introduced an upload on demand functionality
[18:43] <tefsom> who has frost 2005?
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[18:50] <tefsom> night all go to bed...
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