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[4:57] <nextgens> hi
[4:57] <nextgens> sanity: I do apologies : my laptop ran out of power :$
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[5:30] <sanity> nextgens: its ok, can you add the wiki link back in?
[5:31] <nextgens> yes but you need to chmod g+w the files in the directory
[5:32] <nextgens> the standart umask isn't good
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[5:39] <sanity> ok, will do
[5:40] <sanity> done
[5:43] <nextgens> ok, I'm fixing
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[6:07] <toad_> can anyone load BSIT #30?
[6:07] <toad_> purely for research purposes ? :)
[6:10] * Sugadude hugs toad-with-underline.
[6:14] <nextgens> can someone please ensure the website is working ?
[6:14] <nextgens> and especially the wiki link ;)
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[6:17] <Sugadude> nextgens: Working.
[6:17] <nextgens> thanks :)
[6:18] <Sugadude> Might want to turn off your away auto-responder, nextgens.
[6:34] <toad_> X-BeenThere: tech@freenetproject.org
[6:34] <toad_> WTF?
[6:35] <toad_> Subject: [Tech] I2P conspiracy theories flamewar
[6:42] <toad_> bbiab
[7:03] <sanity> toad: did you get my emails re: emu?
[7:03] <toad_> yeah
[7:03] <toad_> my email is working again for some reason
[7:03] <sanity> and the todo list?
[7:03] <toad_> does this mean emu is working?
[7:05] <toad_> only postfix has a webmin module so far
[7:05] <toad_> apparently
[7:07] <toad_> i have set up pk login to emu...
[7:08] <toad_> sanity: sorry, i wasn't around much yesterday for various reasons
[7:09] <sanity> pk login?
[7:09] <toad_> okay... how can we smoothly migrate the email?
[7:10] <sanity> you mean the mailing lists?
[7:10] <toad_> i can change mail.freenetproject.org to point to emu
[7:10] <sanity> well, before that
[7:10] <sanity> we need to copy the /etc/aliases file from dodo, and set up mailman, importing the mailing lists
[7:10] * toad_ installs mailman
[7:11] <toad_> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[7:11] <toad_> apache apache-common apache2-utils libapr0 libexpat1 mailman pwgen
[7:11] <sanity> ok
[7:11] <toad_> why is it installing apache and apache2-utils?
[7:11] <toad_> that is rather odd...
[7:11] <sanity> no idea
[7:12] <toad_> what exactly do we need to migrate?
[7:13] <toad_> just the list members and configs?
[7:22] <toad_> there's fairly major lag on emu for some reason...
[7:23] * toad_ migrating lists
[7:26] <toad_> okay
[7:26] <toad_> i've moved the lists
[7:29] <toad_> i've switched the DNS for the email
[7:29] <toad_> however it doesn't seem to have updated yet
[7:30] <toad_> hmmm
[7:30] <toad_> it's updated on amphibian but not on bytemark yet
[7:35] <toad_> sanity: you haven't installed postgrey yet have you?
[7:36] <sanity> toad: i have
[7:36] <sanity> toad: it should be up and running
[7:36] <toad_> that's unhelpful at this stage :)
[7:36] * toad_ purges it
[7:36] <sanity> no, wait
[7:36] <toad_> it's unhelpful because it delays my test messages
[7:37] <toad_> i will put it back in afterwards
[7:37] <sanity> just comment out the line in the postfix config
[7:37] <sanity> i will do it, hang on
[7:37] <toad_> too late
[7:37] <sanity> ah shit
[7:37] <sanity> that took ages to install
[7:37] <sanity> why didn't you wait when i asked you to?
[7:38] <toad_> because i had already purged it at that point
[7:38] <toad_> sorry :)
[7:38] <sanity> well, you can reinstall it then
[7:38] <sanity> postfix may no-longer work if you have removed it
[7:38] <toad_> chat@freenetproject.org
[7:38] <toad_> SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<chat@freenetproject.org>:
[7:38] <toad_> host 127.0.0.1 [127.0.0.1]: 550 <chat@freenetproject.org>:
[7:38] <toad_> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[7:38] <toad_> sanity: i purged it
[7:38] <toad_> sanity: that is how you remove debian packages
[7:38] <toad_> if that breaks postfix, then the package is SEVERELY fucked
[7:39] <sanity> yeah, but as part of the installation you have to modify /etc/postfix/main.cf too
[7:39] <sanity> if postgrey is no-longer installed, postfix may have problems
[7:39] <toad_> argh
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[7:39] <toad_> why is emu so laggy?
[7:40] <toad_> sanity: what am i looking for? no mention of "grey" in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[7:40] <sanity> i just commented out the relevant line
[7:40] <sanity> uncomment when you reinstall postgrey
[7:41] <toad_> why is it ignoring my /etc/aliases file?
[7:41] <sanity> did you run newalises
[7:42] <toad_> hmm
[7:42] <toad_> maybe it doesn't reread aliases on startup... /me runs it
[7:43] <toad_> hmmm
[7:43] <toad_> it successfully fed the message to mailman...
[7:44] <toad_> it doesn't seem to have gone out though
[7:48] <toad_> sanity: are you running any big servers on emu?
[7:48] <sanity> toad: nope
[7:48] <sanity> its not lagging for me
[7:49] <toad_> hmmm
[7:49] <toad_> outgoing mail from emu works
[7:49] <toad_> yet mailing list posts don't
[7:53] <toad_> Oct 3 16:53:47 emu postfix/smtpd[3902]: fatal: dict_open: unsupported dictionar
[7:53] <toad_> y type: inet: Is the postfix-inet package installed?
[7:53] <sanity> that looks like a syntax error in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[7:53] <sanity> did you modify that file?
[7:54] <toad_> no
[7:54] <toad_> the only line with inet in it is commented out
[7:54] <sanity> ok, that might have fixed it now
[7:54] <toad_> oh
[7:54] <toad_> actually all those errors are yesterday
[7:54] <toad_> so it's not that
[7:54] <sanity> ah, yes
[7:55] <toad_> mailman is not even trying to send the messages afaics
[7:56] <toad_> and there is nothing in mailman's logs
[7:56] <toad_> and the people who should be subbed definitely are
[7:57] <toad_> the only obvious problem is that emu still thinks dodo is the mail server
[7:57] <toad_> even though the DNS has updated on amphibian
[7:57] <toad_> and i did run the update script
[7:57] <toad_> and that must have been at least an hour ago
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[7:57] <toad_> hi greycat
[7:57] <greycat> hi
[7:58] <toad_> having wierd email problems
[7:58] <toad_> we have updated the DNS on dodo so that emu (the new box) is the MX and mail.freenetproject.org
[7:58] <toad_> amphibian.dyndns.org accepts this
[7:58] <toad_> but emu still thinks that dodo is the mail server
[7:58] <sanity> nothing in mailman's message queues?
[7:58] <greycat> imadev:~$ host -t mx freenetproject.org
[7:58] <toad_> and the mailing list just swallows messages whole
[7:58] <greycat> freenetproject.org mail is handled (pri=0) by 86400.mx.freenetproject.org
[7:58] <toad_> it doesn't do anything with them
[7:58] <greycat> 86400.mx.freenetproject.org has address 80.68.80.201
[7:59] <sanity> yes, that is emu
[7:59] <toad_> freenetproject.org mail is handled by 0 a.mx.freenetproject.org.
[7:59] <toad_> when i run it on emu
[7:59] <sanity> postfix on emu should know that it is the primary mail server for freenetproject.org
[7:59] <greycat> maybe emu's DNS resolver cached the old result and its TTL hasn't expired yet
[7:59] <toad_> well they said it was 30-60 minutes
[7:59] <sanity> i don't see how dns would affect that.
[8:00] <toad_> and implied it would be faster if you run the update script
[8:00] <toad_> anyway email works
[8:00] <toad_> but mailman doesn't
[8:00] <sanity> email has been working since i set it up on monday
[8:00] <toad_> i post a message to mailman
[8:00] <toad_> and it just disappears
[8:00] <greycat> Matthew's testing message to -chat came through OK
[8:00] <toad_> it makes no attempt to relay it nor does it tell me that a message is waiting
[8:00] <toad_> greycat: yes that went through dodo
[8:00] <greycat> err, chat@
[8:01] <toad_> i sent loads of them, that's the one that worked because it went through dodo
[8:01] <greycat> I can't help with postfix or mailman.
[8:01] <greycat> I'm one of those evil qmail guys
[8:01] <toad_> :(
[8:01] <toad_> well i have no idea re postfix really either
[8:01] <toad_> maybe ian can fix it ;)
[8:01] <sanity> it doesn't sound like postfix is the problem
[8:01] <toad_> sanity: seriously, how do i tell what is queued?
[8:02] <sanity> and i really don't have time
[8:02] <toad_> well has ANYONE here EVER used mailman?
[8:02] <sanity> how did you port the lists over from dodo?
[8:03] <toad_> hmmm
[8:03] <toad_> maybe mailman is sending the messages to dodo
[8:03] <sanity> i doubt that very much
[8:03] <toad_> then dodo is rejecting them because it's not the mail server any more?
[8:03] <toad_> emu still thinks that dodo is the mail server because of the ******** DNS
[8:03] <sanity> no, mailman sends them to postfix, postfix on emu knows that it is the primary for freenetproject.org now
[8:04] <toad_> no, it doesn't
[8:04] <sanity> look at /var/log/mailman/post
[8:04] <toad_> emu:~/BytemarkDNS/data# host mail.freenetproject.org
[8:04] <toad_> mail.freenetproject.org has address 80.68.88.248
[8:04] <toad_> /var/log/mailman/ was empty last i looked...
[8:04] <toad_> there is no /var/log/mailman/post
[8:05] <sanity> that is irrelevant
[8:05] <sanity> mail.freenetproject.org is an A record
[8:05] <toad_> emu:~# host -t mx freenetproject.org
[8:05] <toad_> freenetproject.org mail is handled by 0 86400.mx.freenetproject.org.
[8:05] <sanity> just because it happens to be called "mail" doesn't mean that mail will be sent to that machine for freenetproject.org
[8:06] <toad_> emu:~# host 86400.mx.freenetproject.org.
[8:06] <toad_> 86400.mx.freenetproject.org has address 80.68.80.201
[8:06] <toad_> hmmm okay
[8:07] <sanity> emu:/var/log/mailman# /etc/init.d/mailman stop
[8:07] <sanity> Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner
[8:07] <sanity> PID unreadable in: /var/run/mailman/mailman.pid
[8:07] <sanity> [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid'
[8:07] <sanity> Is qrunner even running?
[8:07] <sanity> emu:/var/log/mailman# /etc/init.d/mailman start
[8:07] <sanity> Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing
[8:07] <sanity> Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start
[8:07] <sanity> emu:/var/log/mailman#
[8:07] <sanity> the mailman service isn't running, that is why it won't work
[8:07] <sanity> looks like you need to create this "mailman" site list or it won't start
[8:07] <toad_> i thought it created that automatically...
[8:08] <sanity> apparently not
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[8:13] <toad_> gah
[8:13] <toad_> well it works
[8:13] <toad_> the list admin doesn't work now... it thinks the web server is running on freenetproject.org
[8:13] <toad_> so i can't moderate
[8:14] <toad_> and there doesn't seem to be a config option...
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[8:26] <toad_> yay
[8:26] <toad_> mail migrated
[8:29] <sanity> cool
[8:29] <toad_> sanity: how do i tell whether postgrey is working/
[8:29] <toad_> ?
[8:29] <sanity> watch /var/log/mail.log
[8:29] <toad_> hat am i looking for?
[8:29] <sanity> look for mails being rejected due to being deferred
[8:31] <toad_> Oct 5 12:35:05 emu postfix/smtpd[24408]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[202
[8:31] <toad_> .143.155.98]: 450 <cvs@freenetproject.org>: Recipient address rejected: Greylist
[8:31] <toad_> ed for 300 seconds (see http://isg.ee.ethz.ch/tools/postgrey/help/freenetproject
[8:31] <toad_> .org.html); from=<apache@localhost.localdomain> to=<cvs@freenetproject.org> prot
[8:31] <toad_> o=ESMTP helo=<localhost.localdomain>
[8:32] <toad_> okay, it *probably* is working
[8:32] <sanity> yeah, that looks fine
[8:34] <sanity> toad: ok, created a Freenet subversion repository
[8:34] * toad_ accidentally didn't do -w n on resubbing the announce subscribers :(
[8:34] <toad_> meaning a lot of them will now unsub :(
[8:34] <toad_> oh well
[8:34] <toad_> sanity: yay!
[8:34] <toad_> sanity: imported the current CVS yet?
[8:34] <sanity> toad: URL is svn+ssh://emu.freenetproject.org/var/svn/freenet
[8:35] <sanity> no
[8:35] <toad_> sanity: is there an SVN plugin for c
[8:35] <toad_> eclipse?
[8:35] <sanity> people need to be a member of the "freenet" group to access it
[8:35] <sanity> yes
[8:35] <sanity> its called subclipse
[8:36] <toad_> argh
[8:36] <toad_> and there isn't a debian package :<
[8:36] <toad_> come to think of it there isn't one for eclipse either
[8:36] <toad_> that's bizarre
[8:36] <sanity> its easy, just add the url for it to eclipse's update manager
[8:40] <toad_> how do i find out what is using all my bandwidth?
[8:41] <sanity> what am i, your sysadmin?
[8:41] <toad_> :)
[8:42] <toad_> greycat: how do i find out what is using all my bandwidth?
[8:42] <toad_> iirc ntop was a bit heavy and focussed on lan's... there was something better but i don't remember what it was called
[8:42] <toad_> just thought you might know
[8:42] <greycat> I'd ask the router/firewall to log it
[8:43] <greycat> if it's a Linux firewall, ask #iptables I suppose. I'm really not very good at iptables, since I've barely used it.
[8:43] <toad_> hmmm
[8:43] * toad_ was thinking of an app...
[8:45] <toad_> sanity: it uses a wierd license...
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[8:54] <toad_> sanity: what's our url?
[8:54] <toad_> ah ok
[8:54] <toad_> sanity: what's the root url?
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[8:57] <toad_> Error while creating module: org.tigris.subversion.javahl.ClientException: svn: Authentication cancelled
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[9:05] <toad_> bbiab
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[10:03] <nextgens> toad_: because you are using the stable SVN version
[10:03] <nextgens> toad_: 1.2 is mandatory AFAIK
[10:06] <nextgens> toad_: no, sorry svn+ssh doesn't work well especialy if you are using a customized PAM authentication
[10:07] <nextgens> toad_: mod_dav_svn with apache2 is better
[10:08] <nextgens> ;)
[10:08] <nextgens> toad_: iptraff is the application you were probably in need of
[10:09] <nextgens> good news if the project is switching to SVN :) it will be easier to roolback when a mistake is done ;)
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[10:24] <sanity> matthew: please never install spamassassin on emu, in my experience it causes nothing but trouble
[10:25] <toad_> well, so far greylisting does not seem to be eliminating all spam
[10:26] <sanity> no, typically it will reduce spam by 90-95%
[10:26] <toad_> still get a bunch of paypal spams
[10:26] <toad_> err ebay spams
[10:27] <toad_> some asshole trying to steal ebay accounts
[10:27] <FallingBuzzard> toad_: ebay, paypal, hotmail, etc publish SPF records. Tell spamassassin to filter on SPF fail and softfail.
[10:27] <hobx_> omg
[10:27] <toad_> looks good otherwise though
[10:27] <hobx_> there is phishing!
[10:27] <sanity> hobx: want an account on emu?
[10:27] <hobx_> Do I need one?
[10:28] <hobx_> I would like if my email address at @freenetproject.org still works, although I have been meaning to migrate away from it.
[10:28] <hobx_> Beyond that I don't really care.
[10:29] <toad_> i don't think remote aliases and .forward's work on postfix for some bizarre reason
[10:29] <hobx_> that isn't very secure Ian
[10:31] <sanity> hobx: if you log in and change your password it will be
[10:32] <sanity> toad: i think they do - they work fine on dodo
[10:33] <hobx_> How does one turn off log in by password?
[10:33] <hobx_> will changing it to a null char do that?
[10:34] <hobx_> I mean, to 0 length
[10:34] <toad_> Error while creating module: org.tigris.subversion.javahl.ClientException: svn: Authentication cancelled
[10:34] <toad_> hobx_: passwd -l <account>
[10:34] <toad_> sanity: any ideas re eclipse error?
[10:35] <sanity> which errors?
[10:35] <toad_> Error while creating module: org.tigris.subversion.javahl.ClientException: svn: Authentication cancelled
[10:35] <toad_> doesn't work in team/share project, or in SVN Repository exploring
[10:35] <hobx_> permission denied.
[10:36] <hobx_> somebody else can do it, I uploaded an ssh key.
[10:36] <toad_> hobx: what's your account name?
[10:41] <nextgens> toad_: shouldn't be handled by postfix but by your MDA (procmail/maildrop)
[10:41] <toad_> sandos: maybe i have to install javahl?
[10:41] <nextgens> (speaking of .forward)
[10:41] <toad_> i don't see how that would cause the above error though...
[10:41] <toad_> nextgens: traditionally .forward has invoked procmail
[10:41] <toad_> if procmail was MDA, then it wouldn't need a .forward, just a .procmail
[10:42] <nextgens> not with postfix and debian's default installation :)
[10:42] <toad_> mkdir -m "Initial import." svn+ssh://emu.freenetproject.org/var/svn/freenet/Freenet 0.7 Rewrite
[10:42] <toad_> svn: Authentication cancelled
[10:42] <toad_> any subversion experts here?
[10:42] <nextgens> yes
[10:42] <nextgens> svn --version ?
[10:42] <toad_> you ever use the eclipse plugin?
[10:43] <nextgens> yes
[10:43] <toad_> svn, version 1.1.4 (r13838)
[10:43] <toad_> compiled May 13 2005, 06:29:47
[10:43] <toad_> well, why isn't it working? :|
[10:43] <nextgens> but only svn_dav will work AFAIK
[10:43] <toad_> nextgens: why?
[10:43] * nextgens is looking for the URL
[10:43] <nextgens> not implemented yet
[10:44] <toad_> what, in subclipse?
[10:44] <toad_> wonderful...
[10:44] <nextgens> http://subclipse.tigris.org/download.html
[10:44] <nextgens> Likewise, the same can all be said for Subversion 1.1.x and earlier. The last release of Subclipse that supported Subversion 1.1.x was the 0.9.30 release. Due to changes in the JavaHL and command-line interface in Subversion 1.2 it was not practical to continue to support both releases.
[10:45] <nextgens> so, first, download an up to date svn at backports.org ;)
[10:45] <nextgens> but anyway, I didn't manage to get SVN+SSH working here
[10:45] <toad_> the site has both
[10:46] <toad_> hmmm
[10:46] <toad_> how do i remove the old one?
[10:47] <toad_> don't tell me it's impossible...
[10:48] <toad_> looks like it...
[10:48] <toad_> what a great program! bundles a packaging system that doesn't even include uninstallation!
[10:49] <nextgens> in help=>software updates => disable
[10:49] <nextgens> you can't remove it but disable it
[10:49] <toad_> doesn't work
[10:49] <toad_> or does it
[10:49] <nextgens> :-D
[10:49] <toad_> Do you want to disable all the features in file:/usr/src/eclipse/ ?
[10:49] <toad_> what does this do?
[10:49] <toad_> it doesn't remove eclipse itself?
[10:50] <nextgens> you could target subeclipse
[10:50] <nextgens> 's feature
[10:50] <toad_> Requested operation cannot be performed... Resulting configuration does not contain the primary feature.
[10:50] <nextgens> ROFL
[10:50] <nextgens> apt-get install vim ;)
[10:50] <toad_> that was me missing the >'s
[10:50] * nextgens is not fond of eclipse but using it
[10:51] <toad_> and apparently trying to uninstall the whole of eclipse
[10:51] <toad_> i like eclipse
[10:52] <toad_> ... but it does seem a bit buggy sometimes...
[10:52] <nextgens> anyway, IMHO you should set up a repository accessible by https via mod_dav_svn , it's easier and more convenient
[10:52] <toad_> like all the "unable to open editors" messages...
[10:52] <toad_> nextgens: why is it more convenient?
[10:52] <nextgens> because it can bypass proxy, it handles several authentication schemes and so on ...
[10:53] <nextgens> I know one of subversion dev. wich can explain it's assets to you if you'd like :)
[10:53] <nextgens> and could be acceeded via any webdav client
[10:54] <nextgens> (but will append 'autocommit' messages in the repository though :/ )
[10:54] <toad_> Failed to load JavaHL Library.
[10:54] <toad_> These are the errors that were encountered:
[10:54] <toad_> no libsvnjavahl-1 in java.library.path
[10:54] <toad_> no svnjavahl-1 in java.library.path
[10:54] <toad_> no svnjavahl in java.library.path
[10:55] <toad_> ugh
[10:55] <toad_> i can't believe there's no eclipse package in debian!
[10:55] <nextgens> in stable debian you mean ? :)
[10:55] <toad_> stable debian has tons of stuff
[10:55] <toad_> sarge is really rather good
[10:55] <nextgens> it's in unstable
[10:56] <nextgens> either you play around with some apt-pinning or don't use the package :)
[10:56] <toad_> that's not enough to make me use unstable :)
[10:56] <nextgens> either you play around with some apt-pinning or don't use the package :)
[10:57] <nextgens> it's probably not in stable because it's depending on java ... wich is hardly working on debian stable's implementations
[10:57] <nextgens> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/eclipse
[10:57] <nextgens> even, it remains in contrib
[10:58] <nextgens> and the 2.1 version wich is obsolete
[11:04] <nextgens> toad_: and even more, with mod_svn, the repository is owned by the apache user or whatever ...
[11:05] <nextgens> whereas if you set up a SSH+SVN repo., people need to have a valid account on the box and to have access to the repository ...
[11:05] <nextgens> which could lead to problems ...
[11:05] <nextgens> if an accident happens (eg: rm -r /repository)
[11:06] <nextgens> and complexify the setup (setGid bits and umasks)
[11:07] <nextgens> but, it's true that it needs apache2 to work :/
[11:08] <sanity> worst case scenario, we can create daily or even hourly source snapshots as an alternative to public repository access
[11:09] <nextgens> yes ... or even, set up both as SVN is able to handle several fron-ends at the same time :)
[11:09] <nextgens> I mean, mod_dav_svn and SSH+SVN
[11:13] <nextgens> is the project willing (sanity toad hobx) to switch to subversion or are you testing it to evaluate its potential compared to Darcs/SVL/monotone/GIT/... ?
[11:14] <nextgens> I mean, are you still evaluating other SCMs or is it already decided ? :)
[11:15] <sanity> it is largely decided
[11:15] <sanity> ie. if we decide to switch, we will switch to svn
[11:15] <nextgens> [16:45] <@ toad_> | mkdir -m "Initial import." svn+ssh://emu.freenetproject.org/var/svn/freenet/Freenet 0.7 Rewrite
[11:15] <sanity> svn seemed to be the path of least resistance
[11:16] <nextgens> toad_: it won't work : mkdir -m is expecting a mode
[11:16] <nextgens> :)
[11:16] <nextgens> anyway, any of them would be better than CVS :)
[11:17] <nextgens> toad_: maybe I can create you a repository somewhere to test it ...
[11:17] <nextgens> if you'd like to test svn_dav without installing apache
[11:19] <nextgens> so that you could validate your eclipse/subeclipse installation without incrimining both your setup and the repository's one ;)
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[11:27] <toad_> now to reinstall eclipse... :|
[11:27] <toad_> nextgens: does testing have eclipse?
[11:27] <nextgens> no
[11:28] <nextgens> and even ... unstable is stuck with 2.1 witch is obsolete
[11:28] <toad_> ... and even unstable only has 2.1
[11:28] <toad_> ugh
[11:29] <toad_> i blame sun microsystems ;)
[11:38] <Sugadude> I blame society.
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[11:43] <toad_> i blame you
[13:09] <rah> I blame George Bush
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[14:06] <rah> oops
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