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[7:14] <Usurp> hi all
[7:14] <Usurp> anybody home ?
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[7:21] <sanity> hi
[7:51] <toad_> hi!
[7:55] <Usurp> hi, freenet fails to start atm with the latest stable snapshot
[7:55] <Usurp> I get a NumberFormatException
[7:56] <Usurp> http://rafb.net/paste/results/DedbMS31.html
[8:05] <toad_> sorry folks, i'll be with you in an hour, getting food
[8:05] <toad_> (btw the new russian shuttle looks cool)
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[8:59] <NullAcht15> toad_: Are you referring about that Buran-thingie?
[8:59] <NullAcht15> referring to...
[9:16] <toad_> no
[9:16] <toad_> clipper
[9:16] <toad_> Buran is dead, and always has been dead as far as i know
[9:16] <toad_> http://www.russianspaceweb.com/kliper.html
[9:17] <toad_> that's the most detailed url
[9:17] <toad_> also http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/12/01/newshuttle.shtml and http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-05zz.html
[9:17] <toad_> NullAcht15:
[9:17] <NullAcht15> oh, wow
[9:18] <NullAcht15> looks impressive
[9:38] <toad_> and ludicrously cheap too
[9:38] <toad_> ~ $350M to develop the capsule, not including the new rocket
[9:38] <toad_> design looks safe enough, but we will see
[9:39] <Myself_248> I'm not wild about setting down on airbags or springy legs, but I guess it's served the Russians well in the past.
[9:39] <Myself_248> A little bump at the end of the ride is easier than trying to engineer the thing into a glider too.
[9:39] <toad_> well they're doing both afaics
[9:40] <toad_> two models - one uses airbags or legs (not decided yet), plus retros and parachutes
[9:40] <toad_> the other uses wings and lands on a runway
[9:40] <toad_> either way the g-forces are dramatically reduced
[9:44] <toad_> wings' main advantage is a much bigger landing range, and you can come down to land at any point in the flight (without having to use the escape pod)... i would imagine it's a significantly less bumpy ride too
[9:45] <Myself_248> yeah, I just hope the thing floats.
[9:46] <toad_> hehe
[9:48] <toad_> wings don't have to be unsafe... as long as the winged craft is *ABOVE* the rocket...
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[9:48] <Myself_248> heh. yeah, sideways stacks are just silly.
[9:48] <toad_> it does make thermal protection harder though
[9:49] <toad_> and if you blow up on launch you have to find a runway to land the capsule on quickly, with relatively little fuel
[9:49] <toad_> well i suppose you'll have loads of fuel considering what you need to do with it
[9:49] <toad_> so i suppose it's not a big deal
[9:51] <Myself_248> the idea with the 8 little boosters firing simultaneously in an emergency, should put you a few miles up in a hell of a hurry, then you just glide to wherever.
[9:54] <toad_> so just make sure there's some clear runways inside a few tens of miles, and there's no problem
[9:55] <Myself_248> then make sure the local hotrod club isn't using them for racing.. (ever heard of the "gimli glider"?)
[9:55] <toad_> lol
[9:55] <toad_> gimli glider?
[9:56] * toad_ wonders how many hotrod clubs there are in kouru... i suppose you get idiots with money everywhere
[9:57] <Myself_248> bad fuel computations cause a passenger get to run out of gas mid-flight. Since the APU draws from the main tanks too, they also lose hydraulic power. Backup turbine provides just enough to steer the beast. Glide performance on a 767 sucks, and they're not going to make it to any nearby airports.
[9:57] <Myself_248> Pilot is ex-millitary, and remembers an airbase he flew out of when he was in the service, the Gimli AFB. Goes there, lines up with the runway, sets it down.
[9:57] <Myself_248> At the last moment, sees little things all over the runway.
[9:58] <Myself_248> http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/gimli.html
[9:59] <Myself_248> Turns out, in the time since he left the millitary, the runway had been turned into a racetrack, and the local hotrod club was having family day. Kids on bikes everywhere! Go-karts everywhere else! Campers and barbecues and lawnchairs and hotdogs, on runway 32L!
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[10:03] <toad_> propeller-driven hydraulic pump ~= convert wind speed into hydraulic pressure? like a wind turbine pumping hydraulic fluid?
[10:03] <Myself_248> yep!
[10:03] <Myself_248> The last-ditch emergency system, thank goodness they still put them in.
[10:03] <Myself_248> the people who wrote the manual never thought this could happen..
[10:03] <Myself_248> but the people who design the plane, have been building in failsafes for a long time :)
[10:04] <toad_> sadly the manuals, and the training, are not as good as the failsafes
[10:04] <Myself_248> They set it down safely. :)
[10:05] <Myself_248> but yeah. Quite a lot went wrong there.
[10:07] <Myself_248> not far from the Detroit metro airport some years back, a plane set down on the interstate highway because it couldn't make it back to the airport. That freaked out a few drivers. :)
[10:11] <toad_> :)
[10:11] <toad_> wasn't that the motive for the german motorways?
[10:12] * toad_ forwards to ian, i suspect his aviation friends will be intimately familiar with it already though
[10:12] <Myself_248> Probably. I know the US interstate system requires that 1 mile out of every 5 be straight, flat, and as level as possible, specifically for emergency use like that.
[10:12] <toad_> how many feet in a mile? 4500 or so?
[10:13] <Myself_248> 5280
[10:15] <toad_> ok
[10:15] <toad_> to work...
[10:16] <toad_> Myself_248: have I met you before btw?
[10:17] <Myself_248> I was just "myself" back on IIP
[10:17] <toad_> probably then :)
[10:18] <Myself_248> yeah, been a while though.
[10:18] * toad_ looking forward to freenet-hosted IRC#
[10:19] <Myself_248> heh.. I haven't paid attention in so long, what's the story with I2P?
[10:19] <toad_> we need better communication with the users; they find the bugs, they are responsible for most of our donations, and many of them are potential developers
[10:19] <toad_> well...
[10:19] <toad_> freenet 0.7 will have real-time multicast and 1:1 streams as well as content insert/retrieve
[10:19] <toad_> and it won't be harvestable
[10:20] <toad_> i suspect most people who go to i2p don't come back, so we have a machiavellian motive for keeping them on freenet for anonymous irc :)
[10:20] <Myself_248> heh
[10:20] <toad_> but the way the new freenet works, it's pretty clear to me that providing real-time communication is reasonable and useful
[10:21] <toad_> actually i've heard people saying i2p is really slow at the moment...
[10:21] <toad_> from a technical perspective, i2p is and always will be harvestable
[10:21] <toad_> freenet 0.7 darknet variant isn't harvestable
[10:21] <Myself_248> hmm. I'll have to do some reading about the 0.7 changes.
[10:21] <toad_> :)
[10:21] <toad_> there's some slides, there's also some stuff on the wiki
[10:21] <nextgens> hi
[10:21] <toad_> hi nextgens !
[10:22] <Myself_248> awesome, I'll check it out and spam the channel with newbie questions in a few hours :)
[10:22] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/papers/vegas1_dc.pdf
[10:22] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/wiki/HomePage
[10:22] <toad_> cool, ttyl
[10:22] <toad_> nextgens: hi, how's things? in particular, how's the pluggable transport work going?
[10:24] <nextgens> still not ready :)
[10:24] <toad_> :)
[10:29] <toad_> once we are subscribed... if we lose the connection, we will be sending a ResubscribeRequest out. this has maximum HTL, and its own new unique ID, so we do NOT need to keep the ID and HTL for each subscriber node once subscribe succeeds - just the node itself
[10:29] <toad_> good
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[18:20] <dli> which garbage collector to use? What are in your command line options for java?
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[18:48] <dli> Elly, do you pass special garbage collector options to JVM?
[18:48] <Elly> uhh
[18:48] <Elly> no?
[18:49] <dli> Elly, the JVM just uses more and more memory, eventually blows up.
[18:49] <Elly> cool
[18:49] <Elly> It doesn't do that forme
[18:49] <dli> Elly, I'm testing some garbage collector options now
[18:50] <Elly> good luck
[18:50] <dli> Elly, I'm using -Xmx256m , but still ended up 100% cpu :(
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[18:59] <rah> java -server -XX:+AggressiveHeap -Xms96m -Xmx384m -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=256m freenet.node.Main
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[19:41] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing problems with a main rotation server, and we've removed it from the rotation. It may flap a bit while we kill it out, the site is experiencing internet connectivity problems.
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[19:53] <fishhead> http://news.com.com/2061-10804_3-5884130.html?tag=nefd.aon
[19:53] <fishhead> this freenet goodbye
[19:53] <fishhead> kiss
[19:57] <fishhead> i'm waiting for a FBI command to block all freenet, etc traffic
[19:59] <toad_> fishhead: woah
[20:00] <toad_> fishhead: wait until we have TCPA/Palladium/Windows Vista which can enforce such rules :|
[20:00] <fishhead> FUCK THE FBI, I will fight them till I am dead
[20:00] <fishhead> if they really get this shit thru
[20:00] <toad_> yup, give us liberty or give us death
[20:00] <fishhead> vista will never be on a system in my house
[20:00] <fishhead> unless it's a company computer for compay work they pay for
[20:01] <toad_> sorry folks, i gotta get some sleep
[20:01] <fishhead> np see ya
[20:01] <toad_> but it's good to see you again fishhead , and thanks for the url
[20:01] <fishhead> yeah np
[20:01] <toad_> and sanity i will have a look at dodo tomorrow
[20:02] <toad_> But where federal law <a href="http://dw.com.com/redir?destUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww4.law.cornell.edu%2Fuscode%2Fhtml%2Fuscode47%2Fusc_sec_47_00000230----000-.html&siteId=3&oId=/Wiretap+rules+for+VoIP%2C+broadband+coming+in+2007/2100-7352_3-5883032.html&ontId=10784&lop=nl.ex">states</a>
[20:02] <toad_> that it is the policy of the United States to preserve a free market
[20:02] <toad_> for Internet services "unfettered by federal or state regulation," the
[20:02] <toad_> bureaucrats have adroitly interpreted that to mean precisely the
[20:02] <toad_> opposite of Congress said. Ain't that clever?
[20:02] <toad_> heh
[20:02] <toad_> bureaucrats do similar things all the time :)
[20:02] <toad_> that's what the software patents debacle in the EU was about
[20:02] <toad_> bbl zzz
[20:03] <fishhead> if terrorists drop a emp bomb on washington, I will probably throw a party at this point
[20:03] <fishhead> I just about lost all faith in the system
[20:03] * fishhead wanders off for a drive and hopefully gets killed by a semi truck
[20:04] <toad_> fishhead: please don't do anything stupid. while you are alive you can fight them.
[20:04] <fishhead> I am not going to do anything stupid, I just hope I am not around to see this shit
[20:05] <toad_> bring it on, i say; if they want to have a cyberwar, we can win
[20:05] <fishhead> I doubt it
[20:05] <fishhead> america is too stupid
[20:06] <toad_> they can make it effectively illegal to write or use OSS... they'll just drive it underground, force it to fight dirty, and they'll never be able to win
[20:06] <toad_> but we shall see
[20:06] <toad_> oh
[20:06] <toad_> you see the new chinese censorship rules?
[20:07] <toad_> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/09/27/china.internet.reut/index.html
[20:07] <toad_> (freenet is blocked in china as of a couple months back)
[20:07] <toad_> not just the web site, the protocol
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[20:07] <toad_> but they haven't seen darknet 0.7 yet ;)
[20:08] <toad_> seeya
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