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[10:14] <nextgens> hi
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[11:25] <hobx_> lo
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[12:07] <nextgens> toad_: here ?
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[16:26] <Elly> hey toad_!
[16:26] <Elly> I discovered a form of hashing that is immune to preimage attacks =D
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[17:06] <Synonymous> what is preimage attacks?
[17:07] <Synonymous> found it :>
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[21:53] <PuppiesOnAcid`> toad_: yo
[21:53] <PuppiesOnAcid`> toad_: you arund?
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[22:26] <PuppiesOnAcid> toad_: PING
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[22:28] <fridim> hi
[22:31] <toad_> PuppiesOnAcid: what do you want? be quick, I'm on my way to bed
[22:31] <PuppiesOnAcid> Oh, nothing in particulur
[22:31] <toad_> huh?
[22:31] <PuppiesOnAcid> I'm too drunk to read your whole email
[22:31] <PuppiesOnAcid> But it was a good one
[22:32] <toad_> anything less particular? :)
[22:32] <toad_> ahhh okay
[22:32] <toad_> :)
[22:32] <PuppiesOnAcid> I read most of it.
[22:32] <toad_> read the rest when you're sober ;)
[22:32] <PuppiesOnAcid> you bring up some good points.
[22:33] <fridim> i've a probblem
[22:33] <toad_> ... so you can believe i'm not a monster, but you still disagree with me? :) i met somebody who was going to vote FOR Michael Howard (quasi-fascist tory leader), because the libdem candidate had been fiddling the election spending limits... i can respect his decision, even though i disagree with him :)
[22:33] <fridim> when i want to start frost. I suppose it is a java problem, can someone help me ?
[22:33] <toad_> fridim: haven't used frost in a while, sorry
[22:33] <toad_> fridim: what's the problem though?
[22:33] <fridim> so how can i download files ?
[22:34] <toad_> fridim: it starts successfully?
[22:34] <toad_> how long has it been running?
[22:34] <toad_> there are many files linked from the web interface through the portals
[22:34] <toad_> also files through frost
[22:34] <fridim> toad_: oh yes
[22:34] <fridim> for 12 hours
[22:35] <toad_> running frost for all that time, or just freenet?
[22:35] <fridim> just freenet
[22:35] <toad_> is freenet working? how many connections?
[22:35] <fridim> how many connection ?
[22:35] <fridim> how can i guess that ?
[22:35] <toad_> web interface -> advanced mode -> open connections
[22:35] <toad_> no need to guess
[22:36] <toad_> as far as frost goes - it can take a little while for it to get the first batch of messages
[22:36] <toad_> leave it for a couple hours
[22:36] <toad_> sorry for all this waiting :|
[22:36] <fridim> 53817/29344
[22:36] <toad_> uhh, that's messages
[22:36] <toad_> what about connections?
[22:36] <fridim> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit)64
[22:37] <toad_> 64/what/what?
[22:37] <toad_> 64 inbound, how many outbound?
[22:37] <fridim> 64 (43/21/200)
[22:37] <toad_> okay
[22:37] <toad_> your node is doing reasonably well from the looks of it
[22:37] <toad_> tell frost to update all, leave it for two hours just running
[22:38] <toad_> when you get back it should have some highlighted boards with numbers next to them
[22:38] <toad_> if it has messages it probably has files too - you can use the files tab to search for them either per board or overall
[22:38] <fridim> frost doesn't start
[22:38] <toad_> does it have any messages now?
[22:38] <toad_> well thanks for telling me that earlier :)
[22:38] <toad_> what OS?
[22:39] <fridim> fridim@fridim:~/download/freenet/Frost$ sh frost.sh
[22:39] <fridim> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: frost/Frost (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
[22:39] <fridim> at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass0(Native Method)
[22:39] <fridim> etc...
[22:39] <fridim> linux/debian/sid
[22:39] <toad_> eeek
[22:39] <toad_> that's just WIERD
[22:39] <toad_> your classpath may be messed up
[22:39] <toad_> otherwise no idea, except maybe recompiling it
[22:40] <toad_> another poss is maybe your JVM is old?
[22:40] <toad_> you probably need a 1.4.1+ JVM
[22:40] <fridim> jre-1.5 you mean ?
[22:40] <toad_> but if freenet runs that's probably not a problem
[22:40] <toad_> java -version
[22:41] <fridim> jre-1.5 it's ok ?
[22:41] <fridim> for frost i mean
[22:43] <toad_> did you actually check the version?
[22:43] <toad_> there might be a path problem
[22:43] <toad_> run java -version on a command line
[22:43] <Elly> toad_
[22:44] <Elly> preimage-attack-proof hashing!
[22:44] <fridim> java version "1.4.1"
[22:44] <toad_> Elly: provably?
[22:44] <Elly> yep
[22:44] <fridim> yes you're right
[22:44] <fridim> maybe a package
[22:44] <toad_> Elly: there was one that was provable, but it turned out there was a bug in the proof
[22:44] <Elly> toad_: It's incredibly simple really
[22:44] <toad_> and you need 768 bits for a useful level of protection
[22:44] <Elly> if the hash is 0 bits, then no information can be gained about the data
[22:44] <toad_> ah
[22:44] <toad_> ;)
[22:44] <Elly> =D
[22:45] <Elly> we should switch to my patent-pending UberHashing (tm)
[22:45] <toad_> good luck with the patent! :)
[22:45] <Elly> =D
[22:45] <toad_> then you can sue everyone who doesn't use hashing...
[22:45] <Elly> "Hashing data in such a way that the hash function returns 0 bytes"
[22:45] <Elly> damn right
[22:45] <toad_> so they have to switch to one of the unencumbered hash functions
[22:45] <toad_> instead of not hashing at all :)
[22:45] <Elly> forces security on the masses =D
[22:45] <Elly> then I will patent the identity cipher
[22:46] <toad_> fridim: hrrm
[22:46] <Elly> anyway, I'm out, shower & sleep
[22:46] <toad_> fridim: don't know.
[22:46] <toad_> fridim: you could post on the relevant list
[22:46] <toad_> there is probably a frost list, there is definitely support@Freenetproject.org
[22:46] <toad_> Elly: :)
[22:47] <Elly> we should run public Freenet nodes with OpenBSD
[22:47] <Elly> =O
[22:47] <toad_> huh?
[22:47] <toad_> public as in open shell?
[22:47] <Elly> no
[22:47] <Elly> public as in
[22:47] <Elly> nodes that belong to nobody
[22:47] <Elly> but are just there
[22:48] <fridim> toad_: maybe you can just tell me what do i need : http://java.sun.com/ ?
[22:48] <toad_> fridim: the jvm 1.4.1 should be fine...
[22:48] <toad_> i have no idea what the problem is
[22:49] <fridim> oh, ok
[22:49] <fridim> so what is jre1.5 for ?
[22:49] <fridim> because, i've even not define the path /usr/java/jre1.5
[22:50] <toad_> 1.4.1 is fine
[22:50] <toad_> well maybe
[22:50] <toad_> maybe they use some 1.5 features? if they do it should say so in the readme
[22:50] <Elly> Freenet doesn't
[22:50] <toad_> Elly: which is as it should be
[22:50] <Elly> I have 1.4.2_08 and freenet works fine
[22:50] <toad_> until GCJ 4.1 comes out with generics support
[22:51] <toad_> at least
[22:51] <fridim> toad_: they do
[22:51] <Elly> hey, I have an idea
[22:51] <Elly> let's set fire to the DMCA!
[22:51] <toad_> fridim: ouch
[22:52] <fridim> but it is a 1.4 version
[22:52] <fridim> i'am getting it
[22:52] <toad_> fridim: well then you need CLASSPATH=/usr/java/jre1.5
[22:52] <toad_> what's the jre1.5 package? it's a java installer package? it's in the non-free section?
[22:52] <toad_> err
[22:52] <toad_> no
[22:52] <toad_> you need JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jre1.5
[22:52] <toad_> and PATH=/usr/java/jre1.5/bin:/usr/java/jre1.5/jre/bin:$PATH
[22:53] <toad_> and then do java -version again, it should show up as 1.5
[22:53] <fridim> toad_: self extract installer
[22:53] <toad_> you already have it installed, right?
[22:53] <toad_> in /usr/java/jre1.5?
[22:53] <fridim> yep
[22:53] <fridim> in /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/
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[22:56] <toad_> anyone here think that 4kB/sec is realistic for a chain of 10 nodes, with NGR?
[22:56] <toad_> i'm deeply skeptical, given that a typical node will have a 16kB/sec limit
[22:56] <toad_> and that _the transfer rate is determined by the SLOWEST node on the chain_
[22:56] <toad_> even with NGR and with 0.7 UDP, it seems a little implausible
[23:07] <fridim> toad_: you don't use frost so ?
[23:07] <fridim> do you download file ?
[23:07] <fridim> or just brown the freenet web ?
[23:07] <fridim> s/brown/browse
[23:08] <Elly> stab_val(stab)->str_nok = 1; /* what a wonderful hack! */
[23:08] <Elly> -- Larry Wall in stab.c from the perl source code
[23:16] <fridim> ok
[23:16] <fridim> frost works
[23:16] <fridim> cool
[23:23] <fridim> by default what is the bandwidth limit ?
[23:45] <fridim> what do you think about fuqid
These logs were automatically created by Jay Oliveri with his gimp hapi on irc.freenode.net.