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[0:25] <Destructo> hey hey all
[0:29] <schrd> hey Destructo
[0:31] <Destructo> hey so i ahvent messed iwth this in awhile.. i just let it run for a long time right
[0:32] <Destructo> damn my typing is a mess
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[3:32] <Synonymous2> wb
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[8:00] <toad_> Synonymous2: usually a KSK will point to a CHK
[8:00] <toad_> err schrd:
[8:00] <toad_> hobx_: :)
[8:01] <toad_> hobx_: umm, I don't want to know...
[8:02] * toad_ agrees with sanity_ - we shall see (w.r.t. i2p/freenet)
[8:03] * toad_ declares this a Work Day... when I get back :)
[8:03] <sanity_> toad: what is on the TODO list for today?
[8:04] <toad_> sanity_: hack on whacksim, try to make the graph symmetrical
[8:04] <sanity_> ah, cool
[8:04] <sanity_> let me know how you get on
[8:04] <toad_> sanity_: if succeed with that, then run some more simulations
[8:05] * toad_ proposes to assign the initial links randomly rather than going forwards through the keyspace
[8:05] <toad_> if that makes no difference i know the bug is in greedy routing
[8:05] <schrd> toad_: does it always point to a single chk?
[8:05] <schrd> or is it possible to point to different chk's at the same time?
[8:05] <schrd> like xpointer in xml
[8:05] <toad_> schrd: it can do anything you can do in metadata of 32kB, or it can store 32kB of regular data
[8:05] <toad_> schrd: you have things called "manifests"...
[8:06] <toad_> KSK@blah//filename
[8:06] <toad_> looks up KSK@blah
[8:06] <toad_> checks for the redirect called filename
[8:06] <toad_> and fetches it
[8:06] <toad_> alternatively you can have splitfiles
[8:06] <schrd> can you give me a pointer where I can read more about that?
[8:07] <toad_> try here: http://www.freenetproject.org/index.php?page=metadata
[8:07] <toad_> bbiab
[8:07] <schrd> thanks
[8:07] <toad_> will change a bit in 0.7
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[10:19] <hobx_> toad_: What dont you want to know?
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[12:00] * toad_ back finally
[12:00] * toad_ was busy with tax
[12:01] <toad_> all done now
[12:01] <toad_> don't have to worry about it for another year... of course i have to worry about PAYING, just not filing :)
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[12:02] <toad_> okay, now to Real Work
[12:02] <toad_> ah grrr
[12:02] <toad_> bbiab
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[12:39] <hobx_> toad_: You have to bother with paying because of leeches who wish to live off the back of your hard work!
[12:46] * toad_ hmmz... my hard work? ;)
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[14:11] <sanity_> hobx: tax is theft right?
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[15:06] <toad_> sanity_: the other day he pretty much admitted that the state has a right to tax people
[15:06] <hobx_> sanity_: Yes
[15:06] <hobx_> when applied as it is currently
[15:07] * toad_ hmmz
[15:07] <sanity_> toad: any progress on experiments?
[15:07] <hobx_> sanity: BitMover has really been doing your karma a lot of favors...
[15:07] <sanity_> hobx: any progress on paper?
[15:07] <sanity_> hobx: you are just jealous of my karma whoring prowess :-P
[15:08] <toad_> what's BitMover?
[15:08] <hobx_> you've paid for your karma whoring prowness.
[15:08] <hobx_> it is too easy when you have early access to the story.
[15:08] <sanity_> toad: long story, see http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/11/1413232&tid=99
[15:08] <sanity_> hobx: true true
[15:09] <hobx_> sanity: We can talk about stuff as soon as my connection at home comes back up.
[15:09] <hobx_> I've had electricians tearing up my house.
[15:10] <toad_> oh
[15:10] <toad_> bitmover is a clone of bitkeeper, which was shut down by bitkeeper?
[15:12] <hobx_> bitmover is the company that makes bitkeeper
[15:13] <Ash-Fox> toad_, seen http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/12/ifpi_drafts_code_of_conduct/ ?
[15:15] <toad_> Ash-Fox: nice!
[15:16] <toad_> Expect an interesting discussion next Monday, when this issue, and the
[15:16] <toad_> draft code of conduct, will be discussed at a meeting in Geneva of
[15:16] <toad_> WIPO, the World Intellectual Property Organisation.
[15:16] <toad_> hmmm
[15:17] <toad_> If you take the example of requiring subscribers to allow their
[15:17] <toad_> identities to be given out - that's something that ISPs take very
[15:17] <toad_> seriously, and only when required to by law enforcement. And they
[15:17] <toad_> aren't a law enforcement authority.
[15:17] <toad_> now THAT is an interesting detail
[15:17] <toad_> how long until WIPO gets an executive arm?
[15:18] <toad_> of course the yanks would have their own version of it.. they don't believe in such things
[15:18] <Ash-Fox> toad_, take a look at the stuff about people having a bit more than the average bandwith usage can be disconnected on suspicians :P
[15:19] <Ash-Fox> err suspicions
[15:19] <toad_> Ash-Fox: the market will ensure that very few ISPs sign up, for as long as there are lots of P2Pers
[15:19] <toad_> and for as long as it isn't mandatory
[15:23] <Ash-Fox> Still, one needs to watch out for such stuff, I also doubt ISPs are advertising that they are obiding by these kinds of drafts
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[16:56] <toad_> hmmm
[16:57] <toad_> graphing... it may be converging...
[16:57] <toad_> the graph is a significantly different shape to last tiem
[16:58] <toad_> it's almost flat through a lot of the graph
[16:59] <toad_> maybe that's an illusion, but it's surely a shallower fall...
[17:06] <toad_> gotta try it with a full growing network...
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[17:11] <hobx_> A scotsman walk into a bar. Set on his belt in front of his kilt he has a large steering wheel from his car.
[17:11] <hobx_> He goes up to the bar and orders a whiskey.
[17:11] <greycat> heard it.
[17:12] <hobx_> blah
[17:12] <hobx_> hmm
[17:12] <hobx_> What did the doctor say when he found a thermometer behind his ear?
[17:13] <greycat> something about retrieving his pencil from the patient's anus...?
[17:13] <hobx_> "Some asshole has a my pencil"
[17:13] <hobx_> So close.
[17:13] <hobx_> (Tough crowd.)
[17:16] <toad_> hmmm
[17:16] <toad_> big improvement from turning pcaching OFF in the short term...
[17:16] <toad_> have to see how it pans out
[17:18] <toad_> looks like the graph's asymmetry may have been caused by creating the links from one end to the other rather than randomly
[17:18] <toad_> maybe
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[17:20] <toad_> psuccess falling slowly.. average path length respectable
[17:21] <toad_> still running the thing for the graph, and also now a regular simulation
[17:21] <toad_> what now?
[17:22] <toad_> need to run it out to at least 500 cycles...
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