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[17:09] <toad_> sanity_: will you be in edinburgh around sat 2 july?
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[19:47] <hackeron> Hmm, I've been running freenet for 25 hours straight now, over 2gb downloaded, but its still impossibly slow (I'm talking about many minutes to load a single page, hours to download the smallest files).
[19:49] <cbreak> yes, that's not unusual.
[19:50] <hackeron> cbreak: hmm, I followed all the documentation of adjusting my firefox settings and all that, and increased cache to 5GB, but nothng seems to help :(
[19:50] <cbreak> yes, freenets latency is high.
[19:51] <cbreak> that's more or less by design. It could go faster, but that's rare.
[19:51] <hackeron> cbreak: so 10-90 mintues to load a page is normal?
[19:52] <cbreak> well... more 1 to 5 minutes or not at all.
[19:52] <cbreak> of course every image also has a high latency, so until a page is completely loaded some time can pass.
[19:52] <hackeron> well, it says data not found for about 50 minutes, then it starts to load slowly :)
[19:53] <cbreak> ah! that sounds more like freenet :)
[19:53] <hackeron> lol
[19:54] <hackeron> cbreak: what would you say is "faster", stable or unstable?
[19:54] <cbreak> have you tried frost? a bit less depressing since it does not show dnfs.
[19:55] <cbreak> unstable is faster I guess since it has much less user and less content.
[19:55] <hackeron> cbreak: I dont want to install java on my multimedia box
[19:55] <hackeron> cbreak: hmmmm
[19:55] <cbreak> java is needed for freenet at the moment. I don't think this will change.
[19:55] <hackeron> cbreak: can you point me to a popular page that loads for you?
[19:55] <hackeron> cbreak: yes, I have java on the server
[19:56] <cbreak> If you have some kind of unix, you could use x11 forwarding, or with windows rdp(?)
[19:57] <cbreak> (which is not realy useable :)
[19:57] <hackeron> cbreak: what kind of server has X, lol?
[19:57] <cbreak> well... a desktop/server/mix thingie :)
[19:57] <hackeron> terminal server?
[19:57] <hackeron> Xterminal server rather :)
[19:57] <hackeron> GRR! -- nothing loads!
[19:58] <cbreak> the xserver would be on the client anyway :)
[19:58] <hackeron> yeah, but no frontends that dont depend on java
[19:59] <cbreak> SSK@rBjVda8pC-Kq04jUurIAb8IzAGcPAgM/TFE// loads
[20:00] <hackeron> ok, lets try
[20:01] <hackeron> ok, loading...
[20:01] <hackeron> lets see how long it takes now...
[20:02] <cbreak> that page contains a lot of links to other pages which's active link may or may not load.
[20:02] <hackeron> well, that page is still loading :)
[20:02] <hackeron> Data Not Found
[20:02] <hackeron> retrying
[20:03] <cbreak> we have 23:xx gmt?
[20:03] <hackeron> who?
[20:03] <cbreak> after 00:00 a new dbr version will be inserted, which means dnfs will be more common around that time.
[20:03] <hackeron> who?
[20:04] <cbreak> since freenet's content can't be altered, the maintainer has to insert the page each day. and the key I posted above is a redirect to the current verision.
[20:04] <hackeron> well, its still loading
[20:04] <cbreak> at midnight gmt it will point to the next one, which may not be inserted yet.
[20:05] <hackeron> data not found again
[20:05] <hackeron> increasng to 20 HTL
[20:06] <hackeron> should I be using stable or unstable?
[20:06] <cbreak> stable
[20:06] <cbreak> unstable is small.
[20:07] <cbreak> I doubt you will find much there.
[20:07] <cbreak> neither stable nor unstable are the current dev focus, so both will remain as they are now most likely.
[20:09] <hackeron> Hmm, devs still using java for the ng version?
[20:09] <cbreak> I think so.
[20:13] <hackeron> well, link still loading :)
[20:14] <hackeron> high letency = >500ms -- what do you call 1000000ms?
[20:14] <cbreak> it's faster than snail mail...
[20:14] <cbreak> sometimes at least.
[20:15] <hackeron> hmmm
[20:15] <hackeron> well, the gpl link works :)
[20:15] <cbreak> and you realy get the GPL? Surprising.
[20:16] <cbreak> the KSK was spoofed for a long time.
[20:16] <hackeron> ?
[20:17] <cbreak> normaly any content in freenet can't be changed. but KSKs have the property of being spoofable.
[20:17] <hackeron> hmm, thats a good thing, no?
[20:17] <cbreak> for some time a picture instead of the GPL was displayed.
[20:17] <cbreak> not neccessarily
[20:17] <hackeron> heh
[20:17] <hackeron> what picture?
[20:18] <cbreak> I didn't recognize her.
[20:18] <hackeron> heh, I see :)
[20:18] <hackeron> good ol freenet
[20:19] <cbreak> technology changes. humans don't...
[20:22] <hackeron> was it atleast a good picture? -- did it make justice to being a link from gpl? ;)
[20:22] <cbreak> depends. it was quite harmless.
[20:24] <hackeron> cbreak: ever find anything on freenet that is interesting and banned from the internet at the same time? -- as in other than porn and p2p
[20:24] <cbreak> well... here was some scientology stuff there.
[20:24] <cbreak> I also recall do it yourself texts on various topics.
[20:25] <hackeron> does "Find Is Not DFI" have those?
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[20:25] <hackeron> thats the only page I have loaded at the moment ;)
[20:29] <cbreak> try SSK@ZtjWaj94LsvOm1Q9694fjrL87TAPAgM/thoughtcrime/28// if you can load it. It's quite ancient...
[20:29] <cbreak> I am not sure about it's content since I of course never looked at it... you read me, CIA?
[20:30] <hackeron> wow, that loaded quick. Must have had it cached
[20:30] <hackeron> grr, whats up with that background, doesnt work too fast in konqueror :)
[20:31] <cbreak> problem with slow loading bitmap backgrounds... :)
[20:31] <hackeron> hmm, it also slows down firefox
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[22:44] <sidhu> hi i had a question...how frequently do nodes come to know of other nodes...I read come documentation that there is a node announcement procedure...on an average how frequently are new nodes added to the system?
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