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[1:53] <kevloral> g'morning all
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[10:46] <kevloral> g'afternoon all
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[14:09] <toad_> |TorrentBits.org, another link site was closed at about the same time, the reason of which is still unknown at this time. The site's founder and owner, known by the nickname "Redbeard", remains unavailable for comment.
[14:09] <toad_> somebody we know? ;)
[14:24] <Elly> anybody here happen to know offhand how you retrieve the size of an array which is inside a hash table (in Perl)?
[14:24] <Elly> scalar($evts{'join'}) doesn't seem to cut it
[14:24] <greycat> ask #perl
[14:25] <toad_> hmmm
[14:25] <toad_> put it into a variable
[14:25] <toad_> then $# it?
[14:25] <Elly> something like @temp = $evts{'join'};$#temo?
[14:25] <Elly> *temp?
[14:25] <toad_> try it
[14:25] <toad_> my perl is almost as bad as my german though, so i could be wrong :)
[14:27] <Elly> heh
[14:27] <Elly> works like a charm =)
[14:28] <Elly> this is sort of irritating
[14:28] <Elly> $#tmp =\
[14:28] <Elly> returns the last filled event
[14:28] <Elly> but for the first index, $#tmp is 0
[14:28] <Elly> instead of -1
[14:30] <Elly> toad_: actually, no luck with that
[14:30] <Elly> $#tmp is always 0
[14:37] <Elly> aha, got it
[14:37] <Elly> $#{$evt{'join'}}
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[14:43] <Toast> Hi All, hope everyone had a good Christmas.
[14:43] <toad_> yup
[14:43] <Elly> I did!
[14:43] <toad_> not quite finished yet, will have sister + company around tomorrow hopefully
[14:43] <Elly> and hi to you too =)
[14:43] <Elly> hey, toad_, out of curiousity, how old are you?
[14:44] <Toast> I just got back from my Mums place in France. Visiting my Dad tommorow :)
[14:44] <toad_> Elly: 23, why?
[14:44] <Elly> As I said, curious =)
[14:44] <Elly> all you guys seem really smart and so I'm wondering
[14:44] <toad_> sure but what's the context of the curiosity?
[14:45] <toad_> nah, we're not smart, we're just stubborn
[14:45] <Elly> Heh
[14:45] <Elly> I was looking at how Freenet works and thinking "I'd never come up with this in a million years"
[14:46] <toad_> hehe
[14:46] <toad_> me neither probably
[14:47] <Elly> =\
[14:47] <Elly> it makes me feel a bit better that you're all older
[14:48] <Toast> I know what you meen, I had an idea for a cool project, but no idea how to do it... someone else also had a simalar idea, but made it work... I have to admire those people who actually build their ideas.
[14:49] * Elly nods
[14:49] <Elly> I start things and never finish them
[14:49] <Elly> my C: drive is a graveyard of dead projects which were going to be awesome
[14:50] <Toast> http://www.audioscrobbler.com/ <- The project I'm talking about. Never even got as far as working out the basic maths of the system I wanted to do though!
[14:50] <Toast> That was because I wanted a system that worked on anything, not just music, but these guys kept it simple and have made something really useful.
[14:51] <toad_> Toast: hmmm
[14:51] * toad_ recommends building something easy then making it more general/difficult
[14:54] <Toast> I.m impressed, my node is still running with 12 days 13 hours 31 minutes uptime. It's normally crashed by now
[14:54] <Elly> heh
[14:55] <Elly> I don't have the RAM to spare to give freenet any decent amount
[14:55] <Elly> so I usually don't leave it running
[14:55] <toad_> 4 of 5 alinks loaded today
[14:55] <toad_> 2 sites...
[14:55] <toad_> at least...
[14:55] * toad_ wonders why CofE updates TFE instead of CofE nowadays
[14:56] <greycat> my node's been down for a few weeks now, since I couldn't get it to run stably and cooperate with the rest of the network bandwidth using stuff
[14:56] * Toast Thinks CofE should be retired from the front page (with full honours)
[14:56] <Elly> CofE?
[14:56] <greycat> Content of Evil
[14:57] <Elly> ah yes
[14:57] <Elly> well
[14:57] <Elly> I'd say the best christmas gift is this USB memory stick
[14:57] <Elly> 1GB =)
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[14:58] <Toast> Cool. I've asked work to get me one of those
[14:58] <Elly|afk> yes
[14:59] <Elly|afk> qemu: 2MB
[14:59] <Elly|afk> Knoppix ISO: 715MB
[14:59] <Elly|afk> HD image: 60MB
[14:59] <Elly|afk> the ability to run emulated Linux on the school machines: Priceless.
[14:59] <Toast> They let you boot from usb! Nutters!
[14:59] <Elly|afk> no
[14:59] <Elly|afk> qemu!
[14:59] <Toast> ok
[15:00] <Elly|afk> start linux in a tiny virtual machine under windows
[15:00] <Elly|afk> (they do let you boot from CD, but it's a hassle, and you'd have to know that the bios password is 'password')
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[15:00] <Elly|afk> anyway, afktime.
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[15:50] <|Uk-Monster|> dadar
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[15:52] <lexx> how do i send my self an email
[15:52] <lexx> for my password
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[16:45] <jokern> 22:42:10 Ouch, reached 150k events in list 'jobsExecuted', last flip was 69 seconds ago. Might be a bad situation, please report to devl@freenetproject.org
[16:45] <jokern> Build 5100
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[17:29] <lexx> lo
[17:29] <lexx> need food
[17:29] <mikeeusa> hahah
[17:30] <mikeeusa> STARVE
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[17:46] <lexx> had no food all day
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[20:11] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Ohh, cofe has been updated...
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[20:26] <KenMan> what is happening in here ? do we need to steal mindshare from Tor ?
[20:31] <KenMan> so EFF said everyone should go use Tor for anonymity ... does that imply they shouldn't use FreeNet ??
[20:32] <mikeeusa> no man
[20:33] <mikeeusa> freenet is the way the falsehood and the dark
[20:35] <KenMan> mikeeusa , you sound religious or something
[20:35] <mikeeusa> ...
[20:35] <mikeeusa> I'm talking about freenet
[20:35] <mikeeusa> it is the WAY!
[20:35] <KenMan> what about Jesus ? I thought HE was the WAY.
[20:36] <mikeeusa> he's the right way
[20:36] <mikeeusa> freenet is the dark
[20:36] <KenMan> thank you for clarifying that for me ;)
[20:38] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> kenman: I have not seen/read what the EFF has said, but can you blaim them? From what i hear tor works (kinda), and currently freenet dosn't really. (I have not tried tor, but that is what i hear).
[20:38] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> kenman: and what is mindshare?
[20:39] <KenMan> mindshare is the commodity that makes things work.
[20:39] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> kenman: Can we setal it? Would it work with freenet? Or will freenet work with it?
[20:40] <KenMan> probably not, on all three counts :(
[20:42] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> kenman: I don't know to much of tor. Is it in direct "competition" with freenet or is it somthing else?
[20:44] <KenMan> it is a similar system, with a different architectural approach. I'm looking for their website, but tor.eff.org will get you started ...
[20:45] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> ok
[20:46] <KenMan> i don't think that content migrates around the Tor network - data is not replicated onto nodes which do not publish or consume a specific item, unlike FreeNet.
[20:49] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> So it is more similar to i2p than to freenet, from what i can see.
[20:50] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> And more focused on proxes to the real net, than have all content within the network, if i understand correctly.
[20:52] <KenMan> that's how I interpret it too... but it supports hidden/anon servers. There was a long discussion on slashdot
[20:53] <KenMan> it is most appropriate for the target audience - users who want to read existing websites, available on the open internet, without giving up their identity.
[20:55] <KenMan> it could also be used to serve a website anonymously. But they admit there is a long road ahead of them, and they don't promise any real level of effectiveness, yet.
[22:27] <KenMan> wasn't Tor an ancient Greek god in charge of hammers, or blacksmithing, or lights or something ?
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