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[3:55] * TheSeeker sees a glaring problem with his math, and feels really stupid. yay *moron*
[4:00] <TheSeeker> I was going to give each node (avgConnections * thisNodeConnections * 100) / (4 * NumNodes) percent of the keyspace when it should have been... (4 * avgConnections * thisNodeConnections * 100) / numNodes instead :P
[4:01] <TheSeeker> I can't believe I forgot how to divide a fraction right ... x/y/z = x/(y*z) not (x*z)/y ...
[4:03] * TheSeeker looks back at what he was trying to accomplish, and realizes he was right in the first place. bah!
[4:04] <TheSeeker> 8/4/2 ...(8/4)/2 = 1 8/(4/2) = 4 (8*2)/4 = 4 ... time for sleep
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[4:26] <mazzanet> the 256mb datastore issue is not the installer!
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[6:01] <Mr-X_P> hello
[6:01] <toad_> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/22/2031229
[6:01] <toad_> ugh
[6:01] <toad_> umm, people, Tor is centralized...!
[6:02] <Mr-X_P> wat is server for #cc
[6:02] * Mr-X_P kan sombody know wat is server for #cc
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[6:19] <Nikerabbit> ERROR: Resource name [freenet/support/CPUInformation/libjcpuid-x86-linux.so] was not found
[6:19] <Nikerabbit> still having the problem
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[8:08] <toad_> Nikerabbit: K8?
[8:08] <toad_> Nikerabbit: is that an opteron/athlon64 system?
[8:09] <toad_> ah
[8:09] <toad_> hmmm
[8:09] <toad_> Nikerabbit: you have the freenet-ext.jar?
[8:09] <toad_> Redb3ard: build 5100
[8:10] <Redb3ard> toad, i think i asked that 3 days ago
[8:10] <toad_> TheSeeker: hmm, that's with fixed conns?
[8:11] <Redb3ard> at least if you are answering the question i think you are answering
[8:11] <Nikerabbit> toad_: i don't know
[8:11] <Nikerabbit> i just tried to take it from portage
[8:11] <toad_> hmmm
[8:11] <toad_> what build does it report?
[8:12] <Nikerabbit> how do i check it?
[8:12] <Nikerabbit> /usr/lib/freenet/freenet-ext.jar
[8:12] <toad_> i think you need to run the update script?
[8:12] <toad_> http://127.0.0.1:8888/
[8:12] <Nikerabbit> it gives that error after the update
[8:12] <toad_> right at the top it'll say what build
[8:12] <Nikerabbit> in the configure
[8:12] <toad_> that error is not fatal
[8:12] <Nikerabbit> well something is fatel because i can't start freenet at all
[8:12] <toad_> if it repeats in actually running the node it'll slow it down significantly though
[8:12] <toad_> hmmm
[8:13] <toad_> what happens?
[8:13] <Nikerabbit> well i don't know because those f.poor gentoo init scripts don't show any error messages
[8:13] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations3-400x25-avg25.png
[8:13] <Nikerabbit> how do i start it by hand?
[8:13] <toad_> nice...
[8:13] <toad_> Nikerabbit: hmmm
[8:13] <toad_> you sure they don't use log files?
[8:13] <toad_> where's your freenet.conf? that'll specify a logfile location
[8:14] <toad_> if it got that far...
[8:14] <Nikerabbit> humn
[8:14] <Nikerabbit> cat /var/freenet/freenet.stderr.log
[8:14] <Nikerabbit> /usr/bin/start-freenet.sh: line 7: freenet.node.Main: command not found
[8:14] <toad_> ouch
[8:14] <toad_> what does /usr/bin/start-freenet.sh do?
[8:15] <toad_> it runs java something freenet.jar something
[8:15] <toad_> right?
[8:15] <toad_> does frenet.jar exist?
[8:15] <toad_> freenet.jar :)
[8:15] <Nikerabbit> 31175
[8:15] <Nikerabbit> is that a pid of smth
[8:15] <toad_> possibly
[8:15] <toad_> or it might be a port number
[8:15] <Nikerabbit> /usr/lib/freenet/freenet-ext.jar
[8:15] <Nikerabbit> /usr/lib/freenet/freenet.jar.old
[8:15] <Nikerabbit> /usr/lib/freenet/freenet.jar
[8:15] <toad_> they all exist?
[8:15] <toad_> hmmm
[8:15] <toad_> try updating
[8:16] <toad_> there should be a script otherwise get from freenetproject.org/snapshots/
[8:16] <toad_> freenet-ext.jar, freenet-latest.jar (-> freenet.jar)
[8:17] <Nikerabbit> i have ebuild which should update it and then configure
[8:17] <toad_> never used it on gentoo...
[8:17] <toad_> you could try support@freenetproject.org; we have several gentoo users who might help you
[8:17] * Hirvox wonders whether gentoo java packages are actually built from source
[8:17] <toad_> bbiab
[8:18] <toad_> Hirvox: http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations3-400x25-avg25.png
[8:18] <toad_> Hirvox: also, how's the UI refactoring coming along?
[8:18] <Nikerabbit> bbl, i have to throw dog out
[8:18] <Hirvox> I've been too busy with work
[8:19] <toad_> :|
[8:19] <toad_> oh well
[8:19] <toad_> the branch is still there for you :)
[8:19] <toad_> what remains?
[8:19] <Hirvox> I know, I've been planning to get something done during the holidays
[8:19] <toad_> what's left? and i like that graph...
[8:19] <Hirvox> AFAIR, node status servlet and bookmark manager
[8:20] <sanity> toad: what does that graph mean?
[8:20] <toad_> it's flexible enough to do even stuff like the routing table page where you need to repeat a template for each element?
[8:20] <Hirvox> yeah, which is which?
[8:20] <toad_> 400 nodes, 25 routing table
[8:20] <Hirvox> toad:yes
[8:20] <toad_> green is 10 htl, static random connections
[8:21] <toad_> red is 10 htl, dynamic connections
[8:21] <toad_> blue is 13 htl, dynamic connections
[8:21] <toad_> both in green and in previous simulation graphs there's a tendancy to go up to a maximum and then collapse down to an asymptote
[8:21] <toad_> however the 100 and 200 node graphs appeared to go to 99% and stay there
[8:21] <toad_> (without dynamic connections, admittedly)
[8:22] <toad_> anyway, it looks like both 10 and 13 HTL work reasonably well for 400.. but I would like to see long term behaviour... I need more simulator nodes (which actually work, unlike several...)
[8:22] <toad_> also simulating 800 will be a bastard...
[8:22] <toad_> also this is with just the basics
[8:23] <toad_> no pcaching
[8:23] <toad_> no estimator passing even
[8:23] <toad_> will validate them, one at a time, later... hopefully pcaching lets us use a higher fetchFrac
[8:23] <toad_> 0.025 is rather embarassing
[8:23] <Hirvox> hrm, no x86_64 compatible JREs available from jpackage yet..
[8:24] <Hirvox> s/compatible/native/
[8:24] <toad_> this IS with LRU, with connect to the datasource (path folding), with severe limits on connection churn (don't drop any node until we have 200 hits on each routing table node so we know what they are)
[8:24] <toad_> Hirvox: any chance of building us support for x86-64 for freenet-ext.jar ? :)
[8:25] <toad_> you need some cpuid code, and an amd64 build of gmp
[8:25] <Hirvox> yeah, just installed FC3 on my workstation
[8:25] <Hirvox> the default repositories do have a x86_64 version of gmp, so that's not a problem
[8:25] <toad_> would actually help with sims as k8s seem a bit slow with simulations.. suspect it's jvm issues but i want to eliminate the key conversions first
[8:26] <toad_> Hirvox: yes but we need one statically linked in freenet-ext.jar
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[8:26] <toad_> a dynamic lib with all dependancies compiled in
[8:26] <toad_> and we need the cpuid code
[8:26] <toad_> and we need somebody with an x86-64 system to do it
[8:26] <toad_> I don't
[8:26] <toad_> although I could perhaps play with one of the shells...
[8:27] <toad_> might be nice to have a short mode core too...
[8:31] <Hirvox> hmm, compiling fred-jbigi and fec-native seemed to work without a hitch
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[8:37] <toad_> Hirvox: what about cpuid?
[8:37] <toad_> can you edit the java code to just pick up the architecture from java somehow? long mode will be a different arch than any x86 chip, right?
[8:43] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations3-400x25-avg1000.png
[8:44] <toad_> more averaging (a lot more averaging)...
[8:44] <toad_> and we are talking over 160M requests here...
[8:44] <Hirvox> starting up eclipse now.. arch should be x86_64
[8:44] <toad_> only need about 20M for it to be consistently over 90% success
[8:45] <toad_> about 60M for 95%
[8:46] <toad_> this is long term average of course... for it to be consistently over 95% on a cycle by cycle basis is probably a LOT more requests
[8:46] <toad_> anyway, IF it keeps going up, lets call it 60M for 13 HTL
[8:47] <toad_> that makes 60M/400 nodes = 0.15M reqs/node = 150,000 reqs/node...
[8:47] <toad_> that's not too pleasant!
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[8:48] <toad_> even if they're 32kB each, that's 4687MB
[8:48] <toad_> hmmm
[8:48] <toad_> that's achievable...
[8:48] <toad_> for broadband nodes
[8:48] <toad_> or is it?
[8:49] <toad_> 10kB/sec * 60 * 60 * 24 = 864000 kB/day
[8:49] <Hirvox> afk, food
[8:49] <toad_> okay, that's not good
[8:49] <toad_> we don't want it taking 5.5 days to integrate
[8:49] <toad_> with 32kB files!
[8:49] <toad_> okay, pcaching or epassing next?
[8:50] <toad_> should leave both of these running... long term behaviour could still be interesting... so i'll need some more places to run stuff...
[8:51] <toad_> oh one other thing I could try to speed it up... tweaking the throttle parameter
[8:51] <toad_> experienceHits=200 is rather high...
[8:52] <toad_> try 80...
[8:52] <toad_> red is running locally... red isn't that important... will run another one in parallel, with experienceHits=80
[9:08] <Hirvox> back
[9:09] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> toad has a radical attitude
[9:20] <Redb3ard> ?
[9:20] <Redb3ard> i am so important
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[9:43] <mikeeusa> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/12/23/1324237.shtml?tid=123&tid=97
[9:43] <mikeeusa> bittorrent's going down
[9:43] <mikeeusa> time for freenet to shine?
[9:44] <Redb3ard> no
[9:44] <Redb3ard> not that i believe freenet exactly wants that kind of user
[9:50] <mikeeusa> well with torrent they did upload
[9:54] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> mikeeusa: The frost board torrents seems to have picked up on trafic... Lets see if these new users are happy with freenet, or if the (lack of) speed scares them off.
[9:56] <mikeeusa> quote
[9:56] <mikeeusa> Quite a few reasons, not all of which are freenet's fault.
[9:56] <mikeeusa> Fault of Freenet:
[9:56] <mikeeusa> 1) It uses 1 gig of traffic for every 10 megs you personally download.
[9:56] <mikeeusa> 2) It uses 500 megs of storage for every 10 megs you download.
[9:56] <mikeeusa> 3) The limiting factor for downloading a file known to exist on freenet is your patience, not your bandwidth.
[9:56] <mikeeusa> unquote
[9:56] <mikeeusa>
[9:56] <mikeeusa> ..? wha
[9:57] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Who are you quoting?
[9:57] <mikeeusa> slashdot
[9:58] <mikeeusa> or a person on it
[9:58] <mikeeusa> by NoMoreNicksLeft (516230)
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[10:47] <sinclair44> i'm on ppc linux. what java should i install to best run freenet?
[10:51] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> sinclair44: Dosn't it come with a java already? If it does, i think that is the best one.
[10:52] <sinclair44> Sonax: i've installed gentoo, and it doesn't come with any java
[10:52] <Redb3ard> that person also blames the users themselves, you know
[10:52] <sinclair44> i've tried IBM's, and it works for a few minutes but the node eventually stops responding (even to just the main gateway page)
[10:53] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Oh, i thought ppc was mac. But gentoo has a java in their package system, no?
[10:53] <sinclair44> they have sun's JRE for x86 only
[10:54] <sinclair44> and IBM's, but i was wondering if there was a "better" one
[10:54] <Hirvox> not really, the free alternatives don't support NIO well enough
[10:55] <sinclair44> so IBM's is my only choice?
[10:55] <sinclair44> darn
[10:56] <sinclair44> ok, next question then: as soon as my node seems to get integrated, it responds slower and slower, eventually to the point where it isn't respoding anymore at all
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[10:56] <sinclair44> is this a config/resources issue, or just a problem with IBM's java?
[10:56] <Hirvox> probably a problem with IBM's JRE
[10:57] <Hirvox> my node stays up for weeks
[10:57] <Hirvox> (unless I mess with it myself, that is)
[10:57] <sinclair44> you use Sun's java on windows/x86 linux?
[10:57] <Hirvox> x86/linux
[10:58] * sinclair44 curses
[10:59] <Hirvox> trying it on x86_64/linux once the JDK finishes downloading
[10:59] <sinclair44> and it would probably be too slow under emulation
[10:59] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> sinclair44: Just curious, why would you get (more expensive) ppc hardware if your going to run linux on it. Would you not get more for less by going with x86? Or am i missing some advantage of ppc?
[10:59] <sinclair44> Sonax: i dual-boot OS X
[11:00] <sinclair44> Sonax: i usually use OS X, but some things work better with linux
[11:00] <sinclair44> Sonax: and freenet hangs OS X altogether
[11:00] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> ok.
[11:01] <Hirvox> well, that's not the fault of freenet. I requires both a buggy JRE and a buggy kernel
[11:01] <sinclair44> i know, but it's still annoying :)
[11:03] <sinclair44> hm, interesting: azureus had a similar problem on mac, but they managed to fix (or work around) it
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[11:20] <sinclair44> ok, the problem azureus had was kernel panic on dual-cpu macs. they worked around it by making their own selector... "the standard java selector ... seems to cause kernel panics for dual-cpu mac users under osx
[11:20] <sinclair44> doesn't seem like freenet's problem
[11:21] <sinclair44> anyways, thanks for your info guys
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[11:58] <toad_> hmmm
[11:59] <toad_> i have a process which i have already started running on a remote computer via an ssh session in a kde terminal
[11:59] <toad_> is it possible to detach this process somehow?
[11:59] <toad_> so that it no longer is vulnerable to the terminal closing?
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[12:13] <goatee> toad_: According to http://www.math.mcgill.ca/services/linux_basics.php
[12:13] <goatee> bg: Send the process to the background. The same can be accomplished with Ctrl-z.
[12:13] <goatee> Might want to test that before you give it a try though
[12:20] <goatee> I don't think it will do the trick for you though, looks like to have to set a jobID when you first start the process
[12:23] <Redb3ard> toad, not without preparing it
[12:24] <Redb3ard> screen will work, if you use that
[12:24] <Redb3ard> but it has to be used beforehand
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[12:29] <toad_> i'd already used ctrl-z to stop it
[12:30] <toad_> oh well its gone now :)
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[13:40] <stlocalho> Hi all
[13:40] <stlocalho> Hi mikeeusa
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[13:58] <mikeeusa> hi
[13:59] <mikeeusa> toad_ just add a & to it
[13:59] <mikeeusa> blablabla &
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[14:06] <TheSeeker> Haven't use my laptop for anything, so it's still running the 400x25@25 sim until a new unstable build is avaliable with the ne optiosn in it... > 230M requests now and still at 88-91% (last 5k)
[14:11] <TheSeeker> Hmm, the sim dumps stats every N requests (5k) but doesn't make any attempt to judge how much time has elapsed... we're assumung that rate limiting is working and no node overloads anohther node, but also that all requests are able to go to the best node... I'm not sure if that's possible even in an ideal situation :P
[14:34] <TheSeeker> huh, playing around on a graphic calculator I found that y=-x^(-x) gives a similarly shaped graph to the freenet sims... not the correct scale... but, interesting I think.
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[16:52] <mikeeusa> hi
[16:54] <mazzanet> hmm
[16:54] <mazzanet> the windows binaries for freenet are screwed up
[16:56] <mazzanet> during the webinstallation, `freenet.exe -createconfig` to create a default freenet.ini
[16:56] <mazzanet> the -createconfig option actually runs freenet.config.Setup from the .jar
[16:57] <mazzanet> the datastore size isn't set anywhere except by NodeConfig.exe
[16:57] <mazzanet> which is only run by rightclick tray icon->config
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[17:22] <mazzanet> oooooooh.
[17:22] <mazzanet> the default store size of 256mb is set by freenet.node.Node
[17:22] <mazzanet> a hardcoded value
[17:38] <mazzanet> wooo
[17:38] <mazzanet> all fixed.
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[17:55] <|UK-Monster|> .....
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[17:57] <lexx> grr how i get irc to email me password
[17:57] <lexx> any way strage bug out on my servers network
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[17:58] <lexx> i think me emule used up all oh the tcp connections heh
[17:59] <lexx> lo Elly
[17:59] <Elly> Anyone happen to know where user-specific startup is in XP?
[18:00] <lexx> yep
[18:00] <Elly> well
[18:00] <lexx> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run (run once and run servcie)
[18:00] <Elly> I have an app that starts up only for my username
[18:01] <Elly> theres' nothing in HKCU or my Start Menu\Startup dir
[18:01] <lexx> or just simplay run MSconfig
[18:01] <Elly> msconfig?
[18:01] <lexx> start run msconfig
[18:01] <lexx> you do not need to do the regedit then
[18:01] <Elly> no such command
[18:01] <lexx> ?
[18:01] <lexx> its part of windows
[18:02] <lexx> no space
[18:02] <Elly> I didn't put a space
[18:02] <Elly> 'msconfig' is not recognized as an internal or external, blah blah blah
[18:02] <lexx> hmm
[18:02] <lexx> it should be in c:\windows
[18:02] <Elly> huh
[18:02] <Elly> strange
[18:02] <Elly> it started this time
[18:03] <lexx> C:\WINDOWS\pchealth\helpctr\binaries
[18:03] <lexx> its very cool
[18:03] <lexx> (or uses full any way)
[18:03] <Elly> huh
[18:03] <Elly> how strance
[18:03] <Elly> *strange
[18:03] <lexx> :)
[18:04] <Elly> HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows:Load
[18:04] <lexx> you can get some stange ones
[18:05] <Elly> that's just weird though
[18:05] <lexx> i recommend is just untick all start up items (wall maybe not the firewall and anti virus unless you not got one)
[18:05] <lexx> *well
[18:05] <Elly> let's see
[18:05] <lexx> what i do from time to time
[18:05] <lexx> and you can retick them back on later on
[18:05] <Elly> starting up are Norton, the iTunes helper process, msn messenger, freenet, ultramon, and the google DCC core
[18:07] <lexx> seems ok
[18:07] <Elly> mhm
[18:07] <lexx> how many processes are running
[18:08] <Elly> 52
[18:08] <Elly> two other users are logged on though
[18:09] <lexx> 31 for me
[18:09] <lexx> but i could shave off another 5-6
[18:09] <lexx> as 1 is vmware
[18:09] <lexx> 3
[18:10] <lexx> and some anying office ones as well
[18:11] <Elly> well
[18:11] <Elly> I have mirc, explorer, cmd, control panel, firefox, regedit, and notepad open
[18:12] <lexx> i have about 12 things running that are programs i use an little
[18:12] <lexx> been wating to optimise me pc any way
[18:13] <lexx> going to test me 6800 soon
[18:14] <lexx> 40 mins left
[18:14] <lexx> brb running 3dmark 2001
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[18:34] <Mookie> Hrm. I'm a bit fuzzy on the conceptual issues. Unix tarball, runs fine, but no response on port 8888 that I can tell.
[18:35] <Mookie> I assume that port 21873 (incoming) must be opened, but not sure what others.
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[23:21] <kevloral> g'morning all
[23:22] <mikeeusa> hi
[23:23] <mikeeusa> kevloral, pro or anti women's rights?
[23:23] <Redb3ard> im against anti-women's rights
[23:23] <mikeeusa> woot!
[23:23] <mikeeusa> me too
[23:23] <Redb3ard> they're made of positrons and anti-protons
[23:24] <mikeeusa> I wish to get rid of their vote
[23:24] <Redb3ard> if we let them just start running around, catastrophic explosions are likely to occurr
[23:24] <mikeeusa> also men should beable to rape their wives
[23:24] <Redb3ard> wow
[23:24] <Redb3ard> a half-decent joke wasted on a tasteless idiot
[23:24] <mikeeusa> you married her for what?
[23:24] <Redb3ard> imagine that happening on irc
[23:25] <mikeeusa> well when you get screwed over you'll change :)
[23:25] <mikeeusa> that's why I don't have to argue reason
[23:25] <mikeeusa> women are their own enemies
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