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[1:49] <TheSeeker> Am I still here?
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[13:12] <sanity> looks like the BitTorrent sites have gone down - surprise surprise!
[13:12] <sanity> i wonder whether frost is sufficiently usable for people to want to migrate to it...?
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[14:05] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> sanity: Frost might be usable (or it might not), but i don't think the average bt-leech has the patience and time to get it to work. Besides (and correct me if i'm wrong), werent the BitTorrent sites used to share trackers for files as oposed to the sites them selves? Freesites might be better suited for that use. Or not. What do i know?
[14:06] <sanity> sonax: frost and freenet aren't easy to use, but either was supernova so who knows
[14:07] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> We can only hope the best of the end use :)
[14:07] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> And be ready to answer the same questions time after time after ...
[14:07] <sanity> well, we could never possibly advocate use of freenet for such immoral purposes
[14:08] <sanity> its just that it has been a while since i tried to use frost
[14:08] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> You can't, I can :)
[14:12] <sanity> have you tried downloading any large files recently?
[14:13] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> I'm downloading one large file currently. It is slow, but my node is hamered with a spider, freemail and frost. So i don't expect it to be faster. Would be nice to have a second node just for 'playing', but that is not possible right now.
[14:14] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> have you tried... ?
[14:16] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> What, you don't want to answer that? I cant understand. It will stay between you and me :)
[14:16] <sanity> trying soon
[14:16] <sanity> downloading Fedora Linux :-)
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[15:03] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> sanity, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=133299&cid=11131489
[15:03] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> looks like people are already migrating ...
[15:11] <Fitzsimmons> indeed, it was that very comment that prompted me to investigate this project
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[15:12] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> i2p is a better choice www.i2p.net
[15:12] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> *teases sanity*
[15:14] <Fitzsimmons> what makes you say that
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[15:20] <Fitzsimmons> wb Ash-Fox
[15:23] <Ash-Fox> ty
[15:24] <Ash-Fox> Heh... apparently some linux sysadmin hates me now. He was at one of the places I work at, there was a windows server handling all the connections (not by my choice actually)
[15:27] <Ash-Fox> He went on about how windows servers had a lower uptime, showed me his over the net, which was 129 days. Showed him the server I was running at the school, 232 days :P
[15:28] <Ash-Fox> Then he told me I didn't update the system so it was vunrable. I told him I simply didn't do the internet explorer and outlook express updates, because those always require a restart :P
[15:28] <Ash-Fox> Now he's giving me the evil eye
[15:29] <Ash-Fox> It's almost like his eyes are saying: "How dare you show a windows box more powerful than my linux box! It's the ultimate insult"
[15:30] <Ash-Fox> Personally, I'm pro-amiga and anti-microsoft. But when something can get the job done, I'll admit it
[15:38] <Fitzsimmons> lol
[15:38] <Fitzsimmons> that 'you haven't updated' argument is terrible
[15:39] <Fitzsimmons> there's plenty of holes in the linux kernel, and those most certainly require a reboot to fix
[15:41] <Ash-Fox> Fitzsimmons, you can actually goto low inits and start the new kernel
[15:41] <Ash-Fox> Fitzsimmons, if it fails though, you'll need to reboot
[15:41] <Ash-Fox> Fitzsimmons, but personally, I consider that a reboot.. But the linux gurus shout "NO! IT DOESN'T POWER OFF ANYTHING !@#!@$!@#!!!!!!!111!"
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[15:42] <kevloral> g'evening all
[15:42] <Ash-Fox> Fitzsimmons, even though it shutsdown all the hardware, except the keyboard input and monitor
[15:42] <Ash-Fox> kevloral, wb
[15:43] * Fitzsimmons shrugs
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[16:06] <MrNaughty> a question: default seed file is ok, or I need some other seed file to load? 1st time installing
[16:07] <Fitzsimmons> MrNaughty: I just started up today, and I used the default, so based on anecdotal evidence, yes
[16:07] <MrNaughty> ok
[16:08] <MrNaughty> so I just point to dir I wanna share and wait?
[16:09] <Fitzsimmons> not really, no
[16:09] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> mrnaughty: No. It works different than other p2p programs.
[16:09] <MrNaughty> must be close to BT
[16:09] <Fitzsimmons> MrNaughty: not really, no
[16:10] <Fitzsimmons> what's the deal with i2p_iip? An IRC proxy bot?
[16:10] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Yes, proxy to anonymous irc network.
[16:11] <MrNaughty> takes foreever to d/load freenet.jar....
[16:11] <Fitzsimmons> anonymous irc eh
[16:12] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Yep
[16:12] <Fitzsimmons> how's that work?
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[16:14] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> http://www.invisiblechat.com/About
[16:18] <Fitzsimmons> alrighty then
[16:20] <Fitzsimmons> when I'm looking at the local http stuff from the fnproxy, and it says Load: 11 %, what's that mean?
[16:22] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Fitzsimmons: That you'r load is 11 %? Low load is best. What is more important is if you have incomming connections: /servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm.
[16:24] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> of course, don't forget to compare Freenet with Tor and i2p
[16:24] <Fitzsimmons> MrNaughty: how're you doing so far? Getting your head around it yet?
[16:25] <Fitzsimmons> Michelle: I've taken a look at both so far, but I haven't given them a try yet - which one do you like most and why?
[16:26] <MrNaughty> Fitzsimmons, installed but what now?
[16:27] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> i2p works better than freenet, but freenet has more content with regards to files, though i2p can get it across more; freenet has more users
[16:27] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> i2p is still under development, while freenet seeks users
[16:27] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> freenet is under development, of course
[16:27] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> but has serious load balancing issues
[16:29] <Fitzsimmons> and tor?
[16:34] <MrNaughty> How do I start proxy in freenet? any1?
[16:36] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> MrNaughty: What have you done so far?
[16:36] <MrNaughty> installed and wading trough; lost
[16:37] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> MrNaughty: http://127.0.0.1:8888/ <-- does that work?
[16:37] <Fitzsimmons> Sonax: I would assume not if the proxy isn't started yet
[16:38] <MrNaughty> localhost works
[16:39] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> MrNaught: Then you'r all set :) (You get a web-interface with bluish background?)
[16:39] <MrNaughty> yah
[16:39] <MrNaughty> but what's now?
[16:40] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> You tell me what you want out of freenet before i can answer that :)
[16:40] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> You tell me what you want out of freenet before i can answer that :)
[16:40] <MrNaughty> p2p...as in BT
[16:41] <MrNaughty> and what freenet can be used for
[16:41] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Then you get frost.
[16:41] <MrNaughty> ?
[16:41] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/
[16:41] <Fitzsimmons> freenet:/SSK@rjYFfgPHfolmcStiaoxESFfBXz8PAgM/FreenetHelp//
[16:41] <Fitzsimmons> that's a good place to start
[16:42] <MrNaughty> 'k
[16:44] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> MrNaughty: But don't expect freenet to be anything near as fast af bt. It is not there yet!
[16:44] <Fitzsimmons> are Tor and i2p this slow as well? I've been waiting 15 minutes for some help documents to come up
[16:45] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Dont know tor, but i2p is quite fast. But that is partly because of it's size. I think is has 50-100 users. So it is not considered "secure", and lacks content.
[16:46] <kevloral> MrNaughty: and get fuqid too: http://127.0.0.1:8888/SSK@CKesZYUJWn2GMvoif1R4SDbujIgPAgM/fuqid/12//
[16:46] <Fitzsimmons> Sonax: is there an estimation for the number of peers on freenet?
[16:46] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Others correct me, but i think from 200 to 10.000
[16:48] <Fitzsimmons> well, I'm going to give i2p a spin
[16:48] <Fitzsimmons> wish me luck
[16:49] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> good luck :)
[16:49] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> good luck :)
[16:49] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> good luck :)
[16:54] <Fitzsimmons> hmm... are there "getting started" docs anywhere?
[16:54] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Yes, have you seen freenethelp.org?
[16:54] <Fitzsimmons> sorry, I meant for i2p
[16:55] <Fitzsimmons> or does freenethelp.org have docs for that as well?
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[16:55] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> I would guess i2p.net would have some... Else look into the #i2p channel, they will help you out.
[16:56] <Fitzsimmons> thanks
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[17:29] <Bonkers> I just started up a new node running unstable, it's been up 8 minutes, I've got no firewall or anything, but there are still no connections in or out, are all the seednode from the file on the webstie overloaded or something?
[17:37] <TheSeeker> did you use unstable.ref ?
[17:38] <Bonkers> oh, didn't know i needed that, I just switched to stable and got a connection very quickly
[17:38] <TheSeeker> and did you rename it to seednodes.ref in your freenet dir?
[17:38] <Bonkers> last time I used freenet, they both used the same seed file
[17:39] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Bonkers: You have been gone quite some time then. Welcome back :)
[17:40] <Bonkers> heh, thanks
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[22:01] <newblistic> so the speed of looking up webpages and such speeds up over time or is it gonna be the speed from the very first time you use the software?
[22:03] <Elly> speeds up over time, apparently
[22:07] <Redb3ard> newblistic, what kind of speed are you seeing now?
[22:10] <newblistic> between 1 and 6 kb
[22:11] <Redb3ard> hmm
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[22:40] <TheSeeker> that's pretty quick... when I had a node up for a couple days, my average transfer speed tended to be 500 Bytes/s (total speed/transfers)
[22:42] <newblistic> kool
[22:43] <newblistic> is there any way i can speed it up now? i just saw this software metioned in a slashdot messege board so i thought i would give it a try
[22:43] <TheSeeker> not that I'm happy with those speeds... but it's an annoying tradeoff...
[22:44] <TheSeeker> in the open connections page, what does it say the max nodes you can connect to is?
[22:47] <newblistic> ok thats under advanceed
[22:47] <newblistic> just found it
[22:47] <newblistic> i think it says 8?
[22:48] <TheSeeker> incoming/outgoing/limit
[22:49] <newblistic> yup
[22:49] <TheSeeker> what is "limit" set to?
[22:49] <newblistic> just says 8
[22:50] <newblistic> oh wait sorry
[22:50] <newblistic> it says 200 i was looking at it wrong
[22:50] <TheSeeker> hmm, 8 open connections with a limit of 200?
[22:51] <TheSeeker> you might want to run Frost or try and browse some pages to make your node try and connect to more nodes.
[22:51] <newblistic> and i already forwarded ports like it says on the webpage
[22:51] <newblistic> ok kool
[22:51] <TheSeeker> have any incoming connections?
[22:51] <TheSeeker> how long has the node been running?
[22:51] <newblistic> like an hour or so
[22:52] <newblistic> how do i get frost?
[22:52] <newblistic> oh wait i found it under tools
[22:52] <TheSeeker> http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/ <- not the one in freenet.
[22:53] <TheSeeker> ah, though I remembered the tools page linking to the freesite, been a while since I looked.
[22:55] <newblistic> ok i jsut downloaded it and extracted it what do i click on to use?
[22:56] <newblistic> frost.jar?
[22:56] <TheSeeker> frost.bat (assuming you're in windows)
[22:56] <newblistic> yup
[22:58] <TheSeeker> After it starts up and yo've nade your ID, manually refresh the "boards" board and look for blue messages. Those will usually be ones with boards attached. once you've looked at a message with boards attached, you can see them listed when you click on the globe at hte top of the window.
[22:58] <TheSeeker> or you can make your own board if you want and advertise it.
[23:00] <TheSeeker> if you're looking for help on the newbie help boards, most active users only view signed messages to avoid a lot of the spam, so enable signing when asking for help.
[23:00] <newblistic> ok
[23:02] <newblistic> doesnt seem to want to refresh does it take awhile?
[23:03] <Redb3ard> freenetspamming
[23:03] <newblistic> oh ok
[23:03] <Redb3ard> thats just brilliant
[23:03] <newblistic> you mean there is alot of boards?
[23:03] <salahx> tons
[23:03] <Redb3ard> i mean, i cant think of a group of people less likely to actually reply to spam in the entire world
[23:03] <salahx> msot are very inactive though
[23:03] <TheSeeker> it seems odd that people would expend so much energy spamming such a small number of people.
[23:03] <TheSeeker> "movies" is fairly active.
[23:04] <Redb3ard> is it just crapflooding and trolls, or honest to god spam?
[23:04] <TheSeeker> and the default boards usually get posted to regularly ...
[23:04] <TheSeeker> crapflooding
[23:04] <salahx> Well spammers aren't the most brilliant people in teh world :)
[23:04] <salahx> YEah
[23:04] <salahx> Lots of goatse too
[23:04] <Redb3ard> because actually buying something from the spam, would be a potential anonymity issue
[23:05] <TheSeeker> like, can't tell if it's a bot or just someone that's bored that replies to almost every message on a few boards with a blank post that has thier crappy sig attached (ascii goatse, or pedophile rants)
[23:08] <newblistic> almost got all the go buttons up
[23:08] <newblistic> on the freedom engine
[23:08] <TheSeeker> the other images aren't "go" they're actual activelinks.
[23:08] <newblistic> hmm
[23:09] <newblistic> so if they dont show that means the site is down?
[23:09] <TheSeeker> sites don't go "down" in freenet really, you just have trouble routing to someone with a copy of it in their datastore ...
[23:10] <TheSeeker> I did just kill my 6 gig datastore, but 1) I'm not online anyway, and 2) I doubt I was the only source for any of the material in my store...
[23:10] <newblistic> hahah
[23:10] <newblistic> so is that something i need to set up seperatly is a data store or does it do that the first time for me?
[23:11] <TheSeeker> right click on the bunny in your tray, and select "configure"
[23:12] <TheSeeker> what does it say in the "Node Data Store, Size (MB)" box?
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[23:13] <newblistic> 1056MB
[23:13] <TheSeeker> wow, they fixed it o.o
[23:13] <newblistic> thats a bunny?
[23:13] <newblistic> oh ok now i see
[23:14] <newblistic> you have to tilt your head and squint your eyes
[23:14] <TheSeeker> heh
[23:14] <TheSeeker> it's easier to see when you look at teh freenet folder in icon mode.
[23:14] <newblistic> oh
[23:16] <TheSeeker> well, anyway, how big is your Hard drive? (and/or how much free space was left when you installed freenet?)
[23:16] <TheSeeker> I think I heard that it's supposed to take 10% of the space, but that could have been free space...
[23:16] <newblistic> umm its a 40 gig
[23:16] <TheSeeker> hmm, 2.5%
[23:17] <TheSeeker> that could be it too :P
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[23:18] * TheSeeker digs up a reference from the devl archives
[23:18] <Bonkers> where'd the config go for the linux version? it doen'st look like it's in the config file anymore
[23:18] <TheSeeker> hmm?
[23:19] <Bonkers> or at least it doesn't appear to be in freenet.conf, unless it just defaults everything that it doesn't find
[23:19] <Bonkers> it used to be a big long file with comments about everything
[23:19] <TheSeeker> storeSize=
[23:20] <salahx> hmm this is inteeresting: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=11131136&sid=133299
[23:21] <newblistic> i have 5.46 left
[23:21] <TheSeeker> I guess it was 2.5% of hard drive size then.
[23:23] <TheSeeker> best possible thing would be to give Freenet it's own partition slightly larger than the datastore size you want, because it will fragment the hell out of your drive if you try to work with large files while running your node :P
[23:25] <TheSeeker> "
[23:25] <TheSeeker> Why in the hell they write stuff like this in Java, I can't understand.
[23:25] <TheSeeker> Idiots.. Sheesh. Nowadays it's not hard to write cross-platform precompiled software.
[23:25] <TheSeeker> I hate Java and its monsterous install requirements. I don't want all that crap, I just want to run the application.
[23:25] <TheSeeker> "
[23:26] <salahx> I dunno too many pieces of software that can run on a Mac, Windows and UN*X-like OS
[23:27] <TheSeeker> QuakeIII?
[23:27] <Bonkers> I have issues with the java language mostly, but it seems to work for some things
[23:27] <newblistic> well i use bittorrent usually and the fragment cant be anyworse than that right?
[23:28] <Bonkers> at least 1.5 gives you variable length argument lists and multiple inheritance
[23:28] <TheSeeker> good torrent software pre-allocates HDD space to keep fragmentation down.
[23:28] <TheSeeker> freenet stores each key it caches as a seperate file, generally around a power of 2 in size up to 1 MB.
[23:29] <TheSeeker> 2K, 4K, 128k, and 512K blocks seemed most common on Stable, followed by 1 MB, then the rest
[23:30] <Bonkers> TheSeeker: well opengl is unusually easy to port since opengl is standard across windows, mac, and linux, and wherever else, you just have to create your window differnetly which many libs handle in a cross platform way
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