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[0:54] <benxor> can someone help? got a libc bug trying to start freenet
[0:54] <benxor> head: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[0:54] <benxor> sed: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[0:54] <benxor> except that it is there
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[2:28] <KenMan> ugh! I've been watching movies about datastore evolution, but there doesn't seem to be much plot :(
[2:28] <KenMan> Darwin himself would be bored by this.
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[2:41] <KenMan> however, it provides incredible insight as to where the simulation needs to head
[2:41] <KenMan> good morning sanity. What's new in your part of the world ?
[2:42] <sanity> really nasty weather
[2:43] <KenMan> any snow ? just gettin' down to regular winter cold here. No snow to speak of as yet this season.
[2:44] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> *hugs sanity*
[2:44] <sanity> no snow, just howling wind, 8 hour days, and rain
[2:45] <KenMan> 8 hour days of sunlight, you mean ? it's about the shortest day of the year for this hemisphere. My sleep schedule lately means I don't notice very much.
[2:46] <KenMan> hey, can your Mac play a .mng animation ? does safari handle them ?
[2:46] <sanity> no idea
[2:47] <KenMan> (i'm checking for you...)
[2:47] <KenMan> supposedly it can ! would you like to watch one ? I'll make you one, although I can't promise it won't make you yawn...
[2:50] <KenMan> well, i'm not sure. I found a component you can download if you don't already have the support.
[2:51] <KenMan> I'm making 'movies' of datastore evolution, and they are revealing. What it has shown me is that the specialization I'm growing is far too synthetic.
[2:52] <sanity> that sounds interesting
[2:52] <KenMan> Basically, the spec points that evolve are not shifting their centerpoints at all. Just growing taller or shorter :(
[2:52] <KenMan> (I just spoiled the ending)
[2:53] <sanity> interesting
[2:53] <KenMan> The main problem is there is not enough overlap/interaction between the estimated specs for each peer. The external views of a node don't converge :(
[2:53] <sanity> hmz
[2:54] <KenMan> i need to re-examine my extremely simplistic estimation algorithm, and come up with something better, but NOT more complicated!
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[2:55] <KenMan> the current system shows a tiny bit of side-shifting spec points, but not enough. And they don't really meld, or merge. It's hard to describe, without watching the movies.
[2:57] <KenMan> you'll be glad to hear that doing all this in C++ doesn't provide significant performance gains, if any at all.
[2:57] <KenMan> but mainly i did it as an excuse to play with STL once again. And it is a good thing.
[2:58] <sanity> so are you going to send me a movie?
[2:59] <KenMan> uhm, sure. Let me make one and post it... gimme 3 minutes, tops.
[2:59] <sanity> k
[3:01] <KenMan> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/FreeNet/a_node.mng
[3:02] <KenMan> I've got 1000 candidate nodes to make these from, but they all show the same basic symptom.
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[3:02] <KenMan> this is the datastore for a single node. It will be instructive to make animations of incoming (or outgoing) requests as well.
[3:03] <KenMan> if safari doesn't play it, visit this page : http://www.tarkvara.org/mng/
[3:06] <KenMan> only 12 peers per node, and it seems likely that nodes won't develop more than 12 peaks, max. The algorithm i'm using should support several spec points for a single route, but it's probably not working out that way...
[3:09] <sanity> KenMan: perhaps it is a problem with my player, but the mng seems to be very short, and so far as i can tell - all the frames are the same (perhaps it is only one frame)?
[3:09] <KenMan> no, there are 26 frames. I used 'ImageMagick' to construct it, and said use an inter-frame delay of 500ms.
[3:10] <KenMan> i'm just beginning to play with .MNG format ... so I can't help very much, other than to suggest trying one other application to view it. (I don't know what that would be on a mac though)
[3:11] <KenMan> let me try making a gif animation, but no promises regarding success ;)
[3:11] <sanity> ok :-)
[3:13] <KenMan> well, that seems to work in a browser. Let me upload it...
[3:14] <KenMan> ugh, 5.5 megs ! the mng was 40K ... not to draw any comparisons or anything. I might not have sufficient web posting space. hrms
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[3:17] <KenMan> ah, it fit. see http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/FreeNet/a_node.gif
[3:18] <KenMan> and don't forget to biggen up your browser so the full width shows (~1024px)
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[3:22] <KenMan> this conveys the -basic- nature of specialization, but this spec implementation is not yet adequate.
[3:22] <KenMan> sanity: let me know when you are done with it so i can delete it... no rush.
[3:25] <KenMan> oh, i forgot - the depicted datastore juggles 2000 keys. bbl
[3:25] * KenMan wonders if his honkin' big gif animation crashed sanity's crashintosh...
[3:31] <sanity> KenMan: no, dling now
[3:33] <sanity> yeah, the specialisations aren't really moving
[3:33] <sanity> although at least they exist
[3:34] <sanity> KenMan: still, the animation looks cool
[3:34] <sanity> KenMan: you can delete it if you want
[3:35] <sanity> KenMan: it would be interesting to see an animation with more frequent frame samples
[3:36] <KenMan> that gets expensive (time and space), but I just got an extra 160GB on which to record...
[3:37] <KenMan> ahh, here's 5.5GB of FreeNet 'testbed' stuff from back in July, that can be jettisoned...
[3:38] <KenMan> I'm definitely sticking with MNG for the time being... sharing 30MB gifs won't cut it...
[3:39] <KenMan> night, <anyone> !
[3:39] * KenMan listens to the echo of his typing in this cavernous empty space...
[3:42] <_6128_> is the use of spider good for updating its own datastore or is it not valuable for that?
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[7:01] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> i can't get the windows dist of fishtools from the fishtools freesite, and the internet site is down. anyone know of a more reliable source for fishtools? :/
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[12:26] <Jobian> anyone used tor with runsocks?
[12:40] <TheSeeker> hmm, without frost running I have been able to last more than 24 hours up. my Datastore is still reporting over 5 thousand more keys than exist on my hard drive, but they are spread evenly about the datastore and not at a few points.
[12:41] <TheSeeker> MANY of the extra keys are in the 1M area. I only have a 6000M datastore, and I'm seeing 6864
[12:41] <TheSeeker> 1M keys being reported
[12:42] <TheSeeker> and only see 4200 on my hdd
[12:44] <TheSeeker> the environment page accurately represents what's on my hard drive, as opposed to using whatever data the estimators are looking at.
[12:44] <sanity> TheSeeker: you should really be sending this to the development mailing list, there is no guarantee that the relevant people will read it here
[12:46] <hobx_> toad reads his backlogs
[12:46] <TheSeeker> if toad is present in the room at the time of writing...
[12:46] <TheSeeker> or does he have access to logs from elsewhere?
[12:46] <hobx_> topic?
[12:46] <TheSeeker> ah, heh
[12:47] <Jobian> i'm trying to get tor to work with runsocks. i know its off subject but anyone now where to ask?
[12:48] <TheSeeker> what is tor? what is runsocks?
[12:48] <TheSeeker> sanity: well, in any case, I don't have enough knowledge of the internals of Freenet to put any more into a report than that simple observatino of keys reported vs keys on my hdd.
[12:48] <Jobian> onionrouter and socks5 wrapper
[12:48] <TheSeeker> tor and/or runsocks boards?
[12:49] <Jobian> couldnt find any
[12:51] <TheSeeker> can you get one or the other to work by themselves?
[12:53] <Jobian> think runsocks is the problem. it segfaults andor dns fails.
[12:54] <Jobian> did a seach on searchirc. tor is also a god 8-)
[12:56] <TheSeeker> well, I don't use linux, so I'm probably not the most helpful person here.
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[13:08] <hobx_> fuckadoodeldandi
[13:20] <TheSeeker> you don't like the Yankees?
[13:23] <KenMan> no, he just likes to see a job well done.
[13:25] <Redb3ard> yeh
[13:25] <Redb3ard> he envies our less thtan 70% income tax
[13:25] <KenMan> tee hee. I tawt I taw a 40% , somewhere...
[13:31] <hobx_> just an extended expression of displeasure.
[13:33] <TheSeeker> you stub your toe?
[13:39] <TheSeeker> Toad: if you scan this log later... you should still have FCP access to my node at theseeker.bounceme.net if your IP is the same as it was before.
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[14:10] <kevloral> g'evening all
[14:18] <mikeeusa> does freenet have a "lets kill feminists" freesite yet?
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[14:20] <mikeeusa> might be a good freesite to put up...
[14:20] <mikeeusa> not by me ofcourse
[14:20] <mikeeusa> :)
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[15:21] <Ribs> yeah, that's annoying
[15:21] <i2p_iip> <Michelle> no it's not
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[15:22] <nextgens> Ribs> please Gott, smile :-P
[15:22] <nextgens> :-)
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[15:23] <Ribs> huh?
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[15:23] <Ribs> peace :)
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[15:45] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> /me wonders who this Elly is o_O
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[15:47] <KenMan> all in favor of giving Elly the perma-boot, say 'aye' ...
[15:47] <Ribs> Aye!
[15:47] <Ribs> I think it's a broken nickserv script
[15:47] <KenMan> Aye!
[15:48] <i2p_iip> <Pseudonym> eye
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[15:50] <KenMan> had to restart after ticking 'Hide join/part' :(
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[15:50] <Ribs> it just... worked here
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[15:55] <TheSeeker> heh
[15:56] <TheSeeker> in mirc I think you just have to close the window and re-open it to take effect.
[16:00] <hobx_> this is what people get form taking my op away
[16:00] <TheSeeker> "you people" ?
[16:03] <hobx_> I said only people
[16:03] <hobx_> not you people.
[16:05] <hobx_> I have my beef with whatever racial or ethnic group you may belong to.
[16:06] <TheSeeker> sorry, still, I had nothing to do with your op being taken away
[16:06] <TheSeeker> it was my implied inclusion, not anything to do with race that had me miffed :P
[16:07] <TheSeeker> "that's what poeple get for [name(s)] taking my op away"
[16:07] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> heh. i don't see any such implication, myself
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[16:14] <hobx_> people was rather generic.
[16:14] <hobx_> I believe toad is to blame if I am to name names.
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[16:40] <Freddy2> hi
[16:41] <Freddy2> i've a doubt about the way to insert files into freenet
[16:43] <TheSeeker> what's the doubt?
[16:43] <Freddy2> well.. as i've seen there's a first way, where you create a string that talks about the content of the file.. using this you create automatically a pair of public/private keys, and using the private one you add a digital signature to the file
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[16:43] <Freddy2> at this point you cipher both the file and the signature using the string, and then you can publish "this"
[16:43] <TheSeeker> SSK
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[16:44] <Freddy2> you also use the public key for creating the file key but.. the public key but be published?
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[16:46] <Freddy2> the string is also used to decrypt the ciphered file+signature? (it should be used like a simetrical key)
[16:48] <TheSeeker> sorry, over my head.
[16:48] <Freddy2> np
[16:55] <hobx_> I'm here
[16:55] <hobx_> nothing is over my head
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[16:57] <Freddy2> i'm taking a look to an url that kevloral has given to me :)
[16:57] <mikeeusa> TheSeeker is against the party
[16:58] <mikeeusa> burn him!
[16:58] <TheSeeker> wha?
[16:58] <mikeeusa> hobx lets say i wanted to make an illegal anti-feminist site on freenet
[16:58] <hobx_> ok mikee
[16:58] <mikeeusa> what would i have to include
[16:58] <mikeeusa> to make it illegal?
[16:58] <hobx_> porn?
[16:58] <mikeeusa> ...no i don't want to include porn
[16:59] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> "chix r teh badz"
[16:59] <mikeeusa> there must be something illegal that pertains to feminism tho
[16:59] <mikeeusa> i know the US has "free speech" but they say it has limits
[16:59] <hobx_> just slander somebody
[16:59] <mikeeusa> as it
[17:00] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> are you anti-feminist or are you just trying to cause a stir? :P
[17:00] <mikeeusa> Both
[17:00] <mikeeusa> that's why it needs to be illegal
[17:00] <mikeeusa> since it will be on freenet
[17:00] <mikeeusa> :)
[17:00] <TheSeeker> declaring intent to assassinate a feminist leader would be illegal.
[17:00] <mikeeusa> you sure?
[17:00] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> so, you think women are inferior to men?
[17:00] <mikeeusa> or do you need to prove ability to do it
[17:01] <TheSeeker> I think it falls under "premeditated murder" thing...
[17:01] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: I don't care if they are or arent, I do think they should be slaves of their husbands tho
[17:01] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: and men should beable to have a bunch of them concurrently
[17:01] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> you, sir, are insane
[17:01] <hobx_> me thinks that mikee could not name a "femist leader" if he tried.
[17:02] <hobx_> feminist
[17:02] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: and divorce be non existant
[17:02] * mikeeusa thinks
[17:02] <mikeeusa> Naomi Wolf?
[17:02] <mikeeusa> Betty Friedan
[17:02] <mikeeusa> and that woman married to Ted Turner
[17:02] <hobx_> thinks == googles now?
[17:02] <mikeeusa> nope
[17:02] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> hmm. you're being serious, aren't you?
[17:02] <mikeeusa> that's off the top of my head
[17:02] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: yes
[17:03] <mikeeusa> and the site must be illegal
[17:03] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> did your daddy beat your mommy when you were little or something?
[17:03] <mikeeusa> (for it is to be on freenet)
[17:03] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: no
[17:03] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> then why do you view women as mere objects?
[17:03] <TheSeeker> feminism causes lung cancer, here's the proof: http://www.feminist.org/research/report/93_two.html
[17:03] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: because things are better that way
[17:04] <mikeeusa> (for men anyway)
[17:04] <TheSeeker> remember: freenet can protect you from people with strong objections to your oppinions as much as from the law...
[17:04] <hobx_> he's a troll, he doesn't view women as anything.
[17:04] <TheSeeker> so just speaking your mind in a way that's likely to make feminists want to kill you would probably be enough...
[17:04] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> creepy
[17:05] <mikeeusa> TheSeeker: yes but it would be more fun if they accually tried to kill me...
[17:05] <mikeeusa> news story + me fighting them
[17:05] <mikeeusa> jolly good time
[17:06] <TheSeeker> then say perfectly legal things (oppinions) and give out your personal info on the freesite to promt an attack
[17:06] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> you should put your excess of free time to better use. make a bush assassination site or something similar
[17:06] <mikeeusa> why? I hate feminists more
[17:06] <mikeeusa> they make potential good female... not so good
[17:06] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> ... you scare me, sir
[17:07] <mikeeusa> see a pretty face is all well and dandy... but if there is no sweetness in her head then what's the point?
[17:07] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> figures that you're from the good ol' united states of yahweh
[17:07] <mikeeusa> yep
[17:07] <mikeeusa> I wish I was a lawer tho
[17:07] <mikeeusa> then i could make controversial bills
[17:08] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> like, "women must not show their faces in public"?
[17:08] <mikeeusa> no
[17:08] <mikeeusa> like
[17:08] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> share the love, yaaay
[17:08] <TheSeeker> you could xerox some american currency... those would be controversial bills :P
[17:08] <mikeeusa> "husbands are to be privy to their wives voting records"
[17:08] <mikeeusa> that kind of bill
[17:09] <TheSeeker> why even let them vote. if you're married, you should get two votes for your candidate...
[17:09] <mikeeusa> heh that comes second
[17:09] <TheSeeker> see, I can be evil too.
[17:09] <TheSeeker> doesn't mean I believe anything I say...
[17:09] <mikeeusa> see first we need that first bill
[17:09] <mikeeusa> then we can be like "well women's vote is redundant"
[17:10] <mikeeusa> and hello John Crow laws... for women
[17:10] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> yeah. also, blacks and fags shouldn't be able to vote either
[17:10] <TheSeeker> after the first bill you'd need one that makes it OK to beat the crap out of your woman if she votes different than you, then make the woman's vote redudndant and nullify the beating one..
[17:10] <mikeeusa> no, blacks and fags, assuming they are male, should be allowed to vote
[17:11] <mikeeusa> TheSeeker: "abuse" would be taken out of the legal dictionary :)
[17:11] <mikeeusa> it would be wonderfull
[17:11] <TheSeeker> make a bill that says you may only vote your "race and gender" ?
[17:11] <mikeeusa> then we have to have women not go to school and get married young
[17:11] <mikeeusa> TheSeeker: why race?
[17:11] <mikeeusa> I'm not racist
[17:11] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> gross
[17:11] <mikeeusa> I'm sexist
[17:12] <TheSeeker> that would ensure that only a white male would ever be elected into office, no chance of a female, and definately no chance of a black female.
[17:12] <mikeeusa> well i don't care if a black man gets ellected
[17:12] <mikeeusa> just no women
[17:12] <hobx_> Why would you want to marry a young woman who hasn't been to school?
[17:12] <mikeeusa> of any color
[17:12] <mikeeusa> hobx_: so she wouldn't be a bitch
[17:12] <TheSeeker> you know that if a black man gets elected, the next president will be a woman
[17:12] <hobx_> have you ever tried to have a conversation with one?
[17:13] <hobx_> Oh, trust me, they are still bitches.
[17:13] <mikeeusa> well that's why no schooling
[17:13] <mikeeusa> except maby home schooling consiting of "obey your husband, love him" etc
[17:13] <mikeeusa> and maby some "how to make good tasting food"
[17:14] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> i hope women take over the world one day and have all men as slaves and they torture the fuck out of you, mr. mikeeusa =)
[17:14] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: They allready controll much of the world
[17:14] <mikeeusa> atel: "want pussy, do what i say man-bitch."
[17:14] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> "already" and "control". one "l"
[17:14] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: This is IRC
[17:14] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> looks like you missed out on the schooling bit too
[17:15] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: assuming women wish to make me slave... then I kill said women
[17:15] <mikeeusa> and write a freesite about it
[17:15] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> not if she kills you first, lil' guy
[17:15] <TheSeeker> nobody would believe you, there's been a lot of fake killings on freenet.
[17:15] <mikeeusa> stefanboy: all's fair in love and war
[17:16] <mikeeusa> (because women take a man's love and give him hell for it)
[17:16] <mikeeusa> (aka: marraige)
[17:16] <mikeeusa> TheSeeker all the better :)
[17:18] <TheSeeker> anyone know some good diagnostic values to look at after > 24 hours runtime?
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[18:24] <TheSeeker> 'lo toad
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[18:26] <TheSeeker> feel like poking around on my node and figuring out why I have an extra 6K keys reported in my datastore that aren't on my hdd?
[18:26] <TheSeeker> 27119 according to nodestatus, vs 21037 fines in my store (including temp)
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[20:17] <TheSeeker> taod: are you alive? I may have to restart soon, Windows just downloaded 4 "this will stop letting people hack you machine" updates and I think it'd be a good idea to apply them... so if you're at all interested in looking at the key discrepency problem I've been having now would be a good time to speak up
[20:18] <TheSeeker> currently at 6282 extra keys reported.
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[20:36] <toad_|logging> grrr, /me finds out again why he decided not to visit signal in future..
[20:36] <toad_|logging> bbl zzz
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[21:26] <Elly> Fun stuff.
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[22:20] <TheSeeker> byebye
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