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[1:21] <kevloral> g'morning all
[2:24] <skimpIzu> where can i get the latest tgz. the sf file slow for days now
[2:26] <skimpIzu> toad_: u know?
[2:33] <kevloral> skimpIzu: have you tried right now? I am downloading it at 100KBps.
[2:34] <skimpIzu> would you look at that
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[2:35] <skimpIzu> kevloral: when i asked the ? it was going at .3k/sec
[2:35] <skimpIzu> thats like 1985 speed
[2:35] <skimpIzu> delorian speed...
[2:35] <kevloral> skimpIzu: perhaps the problem is on your end or somewhere on your route to sf
[2:36] <kevloral> skimpIzu: sf has been very slow these last days, but not right now.
[2:36] <skimpIzu> is java 1.5 ok w/ freenet
[2:36] <kevloral> yes, it is
[2:38] <kevloral> time to have breakfast. brb.
[2:52] <skimpIzu> how long does it take to get up to browsing speed
[3:01] <skimpIzu> i just opened 20 links off the engine. maybe this will jumpstart me
[3:03] <kevloral> I'm back. Ah, if I were you I would wait at least a couple of days until your node were really usable.
[3:05] <skimpIzu> wow.
[3:06] <skimpIzu> better rip open the wget then
[3:06] <kevloral> skimpIzu: Freenet performance at the beginning is abysmal. Be patient.
[3:06] <skimpIzu> parrallel url fetcher!
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[10:18] <spaetz> Have a nice weekend all, I'm off
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[10:19] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Is the Node Distribution System working for anyone, or is it broken and should i not waste my time with it?
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[11:13] <skimpIzu> its possible to change the max upload rate in an live freenet without restarting
[11:14] <d-ArkAngel> nope
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[13:01] <kevloral> g'evening all
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[14:14] <KenMan> hmm, I'm running a sim with 2457 nodes, and it still shows specialization for the global set of retained keys.
[14:15] <KenMan> But the deviation appears to be less. I'll let it run for a day or two, as the success is lower and it needs more sampling anyway.
[14:16] <KenMan> So perhaps , with enough peers in the network, specialization has less of an impact on which keys are spread & retained.
[14:16] <KenMan> at least, i hope it works out that way !!
[14:17] <toad_> eh?
[14:17] <KenMan> also, I haven't yet determined whether the global affinity changes (dramatically) over time .
[14:18] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Toad: Is the Node Distribution System working, or is it broken and should i not waste my time with it?
[14:18] <KenMan> toad_: it was/is looking like a network with a set of specialized nodes may have different odds of retaining (and thus finding) a given key depending on that key's value.
[14:21] <KenMan> there are so many factors that can influence what I'm looking at - especially storesize. It will take a long time and lots of trials to determine how each parameter affects what i am examining.
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[14:21] <KenMan> i think (and hope) it is a non-issue for a real-life sized FreeNet network.
[14:22] <toad_> Sonax: huh?
[14:22] <toad_> KenMan: I don't understand what you are saying
[14:22] <toad_> how can specialization be a bad thing?
[14:23] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Toad: The Node Distribution System at port 8891?
[14:24] <KenMan> clearly, we need nodes to specialize in order for a node to differentiate its peers, and be able to perform 'logical' routing.
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[14:26] <KenMan> but, what has happened in my smaller sims, is that the set of actively held keys has been mapped to the aggregate specialization of all nodes. So, if a small area of keyspace is not covered well by any of the nodes, it will not be retained for long, and will be hard to search out.
[14:26] <KenMan> if you barcode or histogram plot the set of active keys, you can make out peaks and valleys in the global set of keys. This is not desired.
[14:27] <KenMan> global set = active set
[14:27] <KenMan> possibly, those peaks and valleys shift significantly over (a short) time, which would help mask or counteract the undesired effect.
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[14:29] <KenMan> the peaks and valleys i've seen in the global set are quite narrow, but they are there. It is not a uniform distribution of random levels.
[14:30] <KenMan> I'm using 1024 bucket wide histograms for eyeballing this (gnuplot 'with impulses')
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[14:34] <toad_> Sonax: yes that should work
[14:35] <toad_> KenMan: hmm, interesting
[14:35] <KenMan> maybe, but if it is not an issue with larger-sized networks, then that is all it is - interesting ;)
[14:36] <KenMan> well, if you permit that a randomly selected node can only draw upon a fraction of the total network (in general) , then it is relevant.
[14:37] <KenMan> we would like every node to be able to distinguish (through routing) EVERY other node uniquely.
[14:38] <KenMan> perhaps that is better stated as , "we would like every request to be able..."
[14:39] <KenMan> this is where DHT and FN differ... with DHT, every node has a unique spec that is perfectly estimated/evaluated by ANY other node
[14:40] <KenMan> when that gets fuzzy (as in the FN model), then is the estimation accuracy of each node still sufficient to permit global differentiation ?
[14:41] <KenMan> due to redundancy, it doesn't need to be that perfect, but is it simply 'good enough' ?
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[14:44] <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Toad: It dosn't (for me). I get a "corrupted" .zip file.
[14:50] <TheSeeker> Is there any way for the estimators to distinguish between "possibly inserted" vs "previously inserted" vs "random, probably an attack" keys? I would think that a DNF of a activelink image on TFE would be more significant than a DNF of say, a NIM post that may or may not be used (doesn't Frost also operate on 'the guessable key' principle?)
[14:51] <hobx_> sleep
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[15:05] <Elly> Freenet is using 122MB of RAM...
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[15:43] <toad_> <i2p_iip> <Sonax> Toad: It dosn't (for me). I get a "corrupted" .zip file. --- news to me..
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[16:09] <Elly> Speed: 414B/sec...
[16:12] <toad_> Elly: hi
[16:13] <toad_> Elly: how new is the node, and you're trying to download a splitfile?
[16:13] <toad_> please don't tell me of any illegality
[16:13] <Elly> toad_: My node was started about 16 hours ago
[16:13] <Elly> and it's not a splitfile
[16:13] <toad_> connections?
[16:13] <Elly> How do I find out?
[16:13] <toad_> Open Connections page
[16:14] <toad_> go to Web Interface, click advanced mode, click open connections
[16:14] <Elly> okay
[16:14] <Elly> lots =)
[16:14] <toad_> lots is good
[16:14] <toad_> how many?
[16:14] <Elly> 74 inbounds, 24 outbound
[16:16] <Elly> out of a max of 200
[16:18] <Elly> how fast does Freenet get after a few days?
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[19:32] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> howdy
[19:33] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> does freenet's bandwidth limiting limit the speed of data coming out of mainport?
[19:34] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> specifically, fproxy
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[19:34] <toad_> stefanboy: no, unless the fproxy is serving to remote hosts
[19:35] <toad_> in which case there's a config option you can use to turn it off for that
[19:35] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> okay, cool
[19:43] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> i pine for the day when freenet is hideously fast
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[20:00] <Elly> Hehe, Xenu.
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[20:30] <toad_> stefanboy: me too! :)
[20:30] <toad_> can anyone get all the BBV files from freenet?
[20:30] <toad_> the PDFs from the diebold site...
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[20:37] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> what's the URI?
[20:40] <i2p_iip> <stefanboy> i can try
[20:50] <toad_> ssk@ijROtU5Ksue7Q5N4UZefFioV76EPAgM/1
[20:50] <toad_> the legality of the files that claim to be owned by "george bush" is debatable
[20:50] <toad_> the bev harris files are clearly legal
[20:50] <toad_> personally i'd get both, it's all clearly in the public interest
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[22:32] <KenMan> (sleeping) toad , looks like mazzanet fixed up snapshots/freenet-webinstall.exe, but the freenet-java-webinstall.exe is still old. And what is freenet.exe ??
[22:32] <KenMan> whatever it is, the date is march '04 ...
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[23:54] <skimpIzu> could i browse someone's freenet node
[23:55] <Elly> I don't believe so
[23:55] <Elly> that would make freenet searchable
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