Timestamps are in GMT/BST.
[0:39] * RexM (~Rex@cs6668162-109.austin.rr.com) has joined #freenet
[0:57] * salahx (salahx@cc3-24.217.203.238.charter-stl.com) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[1:20] * zoobyte (~zoo@pD9E14C69.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #freenet
[1:25] * RexM (~Rex@cs6668162-109.austin.rr.com) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[1:29] * zoobyte (~zoo@pD9E14C69.dip.t-dialin.net) has left #freenet
[1:59] * salahx (salahx@cc3-24.217.203.238.charter-stl.com) has joined #freenet
[2:51] * kevlAway (~kevloral@CZ1-RAS-8-u-0179.du.onolab.com) has joined #freenet
[2:52] <kevlAway> g'morning all
[2:52] * kevlAway is now known as kevloral
[3:09] <hobx> morn
[3:10] * salahx (salahx@cc3-24.217.203.238.charter-stl.com) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[3:49] * hobx__ (~hobx@83.248.111.142) has joined #freenet
[3:59] * TLF (~francisco@234.Red-81-40-113.pooles.rima-tde.net) has joined #freenet
[4:00] * salahx (salahx@cc3-24.217.203.238.charter-stl.com) has joined #freenet
[4:04] * hobx (~hobx@83.248.111.142) Quit (Read error: 242 (No route to host))
[4:08] * fwef (~kevloral@CZ1-RAS-8-u-0179.du.onolab.com) has joined #freenet
[4:18] * kevloral (~kevloral@CZ1-RAS-8-u-0179.du.onolab.com) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
[4:18] * fwef is now known as kevloral
[4:19] * linagee_ is now known as linagee
[4:32] * Hory (~Miranda@82.76.81.56) has joined #FreeNet
[4:33] * TLF (~francisco@234.Red-81-40-113.pooles.rima-tde.net) Quit ("Adi?s a todos y a todas, y que les vaya bien. || http://www.vitaliano.esp.cc")
[4:38] * salahx (salahx@cc3-24.217.203.238.charter-stl.com) Quit ()
[4:39] * Sugadude (~Sugadude@216.17.101.36) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[4:51] * Hory (~Miranda@82.76.81.56) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[5:02] * nextgens (~nextgens@d213-103-209-43.cust.tele2.fr) has joined #freenet
[5:05] * Hory (~Miranda@82.76.81.56) has joined #FreeNet
[6:06] * hobx_ (~chatzilla@ankh.math.chalmers.se) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[6:07] * hobx_ (~chatzilla@ankh.math.chalmers.se) has joined #freenet
[6:13] <hobx_> it's lonely here, there's no one left to torture.
[6:44] <TheSeeker> torture hobx__ or hobx?
[6:44] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@aad228.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
[6:44] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@abc72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #FreeNET
[7:08] * sbc (~sc@83.72.201.52.ip.tele2adsl.dk) has joined #freenet
[7:11] * n00dle (seb@220-244-174-30-qld.tpgi.com.au) has joined #freenet
[7:11] <n00dle> Hello
[7:12] <n00dle> i've installed freenet, got the latest seednodes file
[7:12] <nextgens> n00dle> hi
[7:12] <n00dle> ive statically forwarded a few ports, and redirected them in freenet
[7:12] <n00dle> but uh, nothing happens at the gateway when i click on a link.
[7:12] <n00dle> and via my bandiwth monitor, freenet isn't transfering anything
[7:13] <n00dle> Under current downloads quite a few say "RouteNotFound, reason: No route found"
[7:13] <nextgens> n00dle> how long did you let it running ?
[7:14] <n00dle> um, a few minutes now
[7:14] <kevloral> n00dle: wait at least a couple of days.
[7:14] <n00dle> Oh, ok. so just let it sit there, open, not doing anything visually?
[7:15] <Ribs> n00dle: give it time to integrate into the network
[7:16] <nextgens> n00dle> yes ;-) but please set up your freenet.conf ... (ipAddress and listenPort at least)
[7:16] <kevloral> n00dle: yes, let it integrate itself with the network. You may try to install frost. That may speed the process.
[7:16] <n00dle> frost?
[7:16] <n00dle> nextgens, i did that before i ran it heh.
[7:16] <nextgens> http://jtcfrost.sf.net/
[7:18] <n00dle> Dunno what version of java i'm using.
[7:18] <n00dle> i'll try 1.5.
[7:19] <kevloral> n00dle: open a command line window and type java -version
[7:19] <n00dle> bah
[7:19] <n00dle> 1.4
[7:24] <n00dle> ok
[7:24] <n00dle> frost installed
[7:24] <n00dle> what am i running
[7:28] <n00dle> frost gives me errors
[7:28] <n00dle> can't connect to nodes
[7:31] <kevloral> n00dle: is your node running?
[7:31] <n00dle> um, freenet is running
[7:32] <kevloral> n00dle: is it alive? can you see the web interface?
[7:32] <n00dle> but *shrug*
[7:32] <n00dle> yes
[7:32] <n00dle> if i go open gateway, yes
[7:32] <kevloral> mmm... and it is on the same machine you are trying to run frost, right?
[7:32] <n00dle> and images are slowly downloading
[7:32] <n00dle> yes
[7:33] <n00dle> freenet is downloading that is for sure
[7:34] <n00dle> if i run browser.bat in frost i get a browser
[7:34] <n00dle> but if i run frost.bat it goes aghaghag die
[7:35] <n00dle> ok the frost browser is definately working
[7:35] <kevloral> n00dle: I guess the message you are getting is "Frost could not establish a connection to your freenet node(s), etc..."
[7:36] <n00dle> yeah
[7:36] <kevloral> n00dle: is your FCP port 8481? Are you allowing localhost to access it?
[7:37] <n00dle> umm
[7:37] <n00dle> fcpport is 6003
[7:38] <n00dle> and yes localhost can access it
[7:38] <kevloral> n00dle: frost needs it to be 8481
[7:38] <n00dle> ahhh
[7:38] <n00dle> does that mean i have to forward port 8481?
[7:38] <kevloral> n00dle: no, no, port 8481 is just for internal use. It should not be accesible from the outside.
[7:39] <n00dle> ah, goodie
[7:39] <n00dle> ah frost is liking me now :D
[7:39] <kevloral> greate. :-)
[7:40] * kevloral writes on the todo list: add a dialog to frost to be able to configure the fcp port.
[7:41] <n00dle> heh
[7:41] <n00dle> Hm. that brought up the message board's, so i guess to access FN sites i use the 'experimental browser'
[7:42] <kevloral> n00dle: no, no, forget that browser. It is quite useless, as it has not been developed for ages.
[7:42] <n00dle> uh, ok
[7:42] <n00dle> so how do i access the sites listed on yoyo/etc?
[7:42] <kevloral> n00dle: the idea is that frost stresses your node quite a bit while refreshing the boards (looking for new messages), so that speeds up the integration.
[7:43] <n00dle> ah ok
[7:43] <n00dle> Heh, well, my modem isn't really all that stressed :P
[7:43] <n00dle> But what i meant was, those pages that are on yoyo and stuff, what's the equivilant of them under frost?
[7:44] <kevloral> n00dle: none. Frost is a messaging application. Something like usenet boards, but over freenet.
[7:44] <n00dle> Ahh.
[7:46] <kevloral> n00dle: leave it running and make sure that "Automatic board update" is enabled (inside the "news" menu)
[7:46] <n00dle> yeah
[7:46] <n00dle> is there any way you can set it to like, do more stuff?
[7:46] <hobx_> aka "DoS network"
[7:46] <n00dle> i really doubt 2k/sec is efficient :/
[8:03] * moskau23 (~Miranda@dsl-082-082-224-215.arcor-ip.net) has joined #freenet
[8:03] <n00dle> how fast does freenet get after this erm, caching period
[8:04] <n00dle> anyone maxed out thier bandwith?
[8:07] <nextgens> n00dle> it'll hammer you bandwidth if you don't limit it :-P
[8:07] * kevloral (~kevloral@CZ1-RAS-8-u-0179.du.onolab.com) Quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
[8:07] <nextgens> [14:04] < n00dle> | how fast does freenet get ? -> slow
[8:08] <n00dle> Heh.
[8:08] <n00dle> But yeah, i mean, it's usable?
[8:08] <n00dle> When can i actually click on a link and see something happen..
[8:08] <nextgens> depending on what you're willing to do :-P
[8:08] <nextgens> n00dle> yes
[8:08] <n00dle> I dunno.
[8:08] <n00dle> I can get the FIND page but on there, all those links sorta er..'time out'
[8:08] <nextgens> but dont expect it to be as fast as other P2P networks
[8:09] <n00dle> oh, no, i dont
[8:09] <nextgens> n00dle> here FIND works as well :-P
[8:09] <n00dle> i just can't get past find, onto any site.
[8:09] * nextgens trying to load find
[8:09] <n00dle> without that cannot get data, retrying error thingy.
[8:11] <n00dle> I mean, im excited so far
[8:11] <n00dle> But sorta dissapointed in the fact that i haven't actually visited a 'site' yet. :)
[8:11] <n00dle> Data not found (Freenet could not find the data)
[8:12] <nextgens> n00dle> I got it :-)
[8:12] <nextgens> Index Generated: 2004-12-04 21:05:38 GMT
[8:12] <nextgens> Total Sites: 835
[8:12] <nextgens> Apr 26, 2004: Well, now FIND is on the web-interface. So to all the new users I would like to bid you welcome! To all the authors of new freesites, if you want you'r site added to this index click the feedback link to you'r left for contact info.
[8:12] <nextgens> - Sonax
[8:12] <n00dle> No i mean, i can get to the find page
[8:12] <n00dle> but i cant get onto any of the pages on tha tpage..
[8:12] * nextgens trying
[8:13] <n00dle> im just trying the first one, i get that data not found error
[8:13] <n00dle> same with all
[8:13] <nextgens> n00dle> did you try SSK@rBjVda8pC-Kq04jUurIAb8IzAGcPAgM/TFE// ?
[8:14] <n00dle> whoa
[8:14] <n00dle> that worked
[8:14] <n00dle> what link was that on the FIND page?
[8:15] <nextgens> on the index's main page
[8:15] <nextgens> n00dle> you just have to wait ;-)
[8:16] * guido^pe (~unknown@dsl-082-082-159-028.arcor-ip.net) has joined #freenet
[8:17] <n00dle> heh
[8:18] <n00dle>
[8:18] <n00dle> The network is busy, please try again later.
[8:18] <n00dle> Retrying...
[8:18] <n00dle> *shrug*
[8:18] <n00dle> i figured popular sites might have a chance to actually, you know, be popular heh.
[8:18] <nextgens> n00dle> SSK@YOBX%7ee0ovQm5njPEkrybNI%7ejzYkPAgM%2cTW-qLlIOepIPZpXm9Q3Ghw/RAP_MP3z/1//
[8:19] <n00dle> That's doing the same thing.
[8:19] <nextgens> n00dle> it just says that YOUR node is overloaded ;-)
[8:19] <n00dle> Oh, ok.
[8:19] <n00dle> Lemme change nodes then. :(
[8:19] <nextgens> n00dle> SSK@goHdpeHC2XTrpDXZIbgvdJMz5XsPAgM,ed-XX1sNy0yR7p~QMmjeAA/Treibholz/12//
[8:20] <nextgens> n00dle> SSK@gooMZUjo4VKcW7ly-SHj7THOadkPAgM/inf0z/10//
[8:20] <n00dle> all just sitting there
[8:22] <n00dle> network is busy.
[8:22] <nextgens> n00dle> http://localhost:8888/servlet/nodestatus/
[8:22] <nextgens> is it overloaded ?
[8:23] <n00dle> Pooled threads running jobs: 16 (13.3%) [Rejecting incoming connections and requests!]
[8:23] <nextgens> Current estimated load for rate limiting ?
[8:23] <n00dle> Current estimated load for rate limiting: 778%.
[8:23] <nextgens> ;-)
[8:24] <n00dle> yeah, ouch.
[8:24] <n00dle> but like
[8:24] <n00dle> can't i cycle to a differnet node?
[8:24] <n00dle> shouldnt users be like, split off to reduce this?
[8:24] <nextgens> no
[8:24] <nextgens> did you set inputBandwidthLimit in your config file ?
[8:25] <n00dle> no
[8:26] <nextgens> n00dle> Is your network connection overloaded ?
[8:26] <nextgens> is your "ping" time increasing ?
[8:27] <n00dle> um
[8:27] <n00dle> 4sec ping is big :/
[8:27] <nextgens> lol
[8:27] <nextgens> welcome on freenet :-)
[8:28] <n00dle> ew :/
[8:28] <nextgens> settings are outputBandwidthLimit and inputBandwidthLimit ;-)
[8:28] <n00dle> inputbandwithlimit isnt set
[8:28] <n00dle> and im getting 2k/sec
[8:29] <n00dle> if that
[8:29] <n00dle> i wouldve thought i would be downloading full blast from other users to make a cache to host..
[8:29] <nextgens> but don't set it up now to be quickly integrated ;-)
[8:29] <n00dle> eh?
[8:30] <n00dle> you can do that?
[8:30] <nextgens> n00dle> I think those limits just 'drop' incomming connections ... and that's bad to be integrated
[8:30] <n00dle> ok
[8:30] <n00dle> why?
[8:31] <nextgens> beeing integrated ...
[8:31] <nextgens> is to know other nodes and their content ...
[8:31] <n00dle> and that means?
[8:31] <nextgens> and to be known from other as a working node ...
[8:32] * nextgens apologize for my bad english
[8:32] <n00dle> meaning more users spam the hell out of me?
[8:32] <nextgens> your node have to set up a routing table
[8:33] <nextgens> and to do that, it querys seednode's adresses
[8:34] <nextgens> it's called "Anouncement"
[8:34] <n00dle> yeah
[8:34] <n00dle> Connection Attempts 1680
[8:34] <n00dle> Successful Connections 18
[8:34] <n00dle> :/
[8:35] <n00dle> can i set it to open more connections?
[8:35] <nextgens> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit)78 (30/48/200)
[8:35] <nextgens> n00dle> no
[8:35] <nextgens> it'll ajust automaticaly
[8:35] <nextgens> self-adjust
[8:36] <n00dle> its not very efficient then..
[8:36] <n00dle> my bandwith is not getting used almost at all
[8:36] <nextgens> n00dle> let it integrate :-)
[8:36] <nextgens> look at your output bandwidth
[8:37] <nextgens> it's why your ping time is increasing
[8:37] <n00dle> yeah
[8:37] <n00dle> 3k upload 3k download
[8:37] <n00dle> :/
[8:37] <nextgens> and already a 4sec ping :-D
[8:37] <n00dle> yeah
[8:38] <n00dle> yahoo/microsoft etc all ping fine though
[8:38] <nextgens> according CTCP, you're running windows :(
[8:38] <n00dle> Yes. I am
[8:38] <n00dle> I can't run linux.
[8:38] <n00dle> (trust me, i was sad too when i had to uninstall slack last week.)
[8:38] <nextgens> I dunno if you could set up QoS on those
[8:38] <nextgens> Quality Of Services
[8:38] <n00dle> yeah
[8:38] <n00dle> you can
[8:39] <nextgens> ping ovh.net
[8:39] <nextgens> PING ovh.net (213.186.33.6) 56(84) bytes of data.
[8:39] <nextgens> 64 bytes from ouaib.ovh.net (213.186.33.6): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=103 ms
[8:39] * newdle (seb@220-244-174-30-qld.tpgi.com.au) has joined #freenet
[8:39] <nextgens> on a DSL 512/128 Kb
[8:39] * n00dle (seb@220-244-174-30-qld.tpgi.com.au) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[8:39] <newdle> QOS is now on
[8:39] <newdle> what was that site again
[8:40] <nextgens> my broadband provider ...
[8:40] <nextgens> ISP
[8:40] <newdle> ah
[8:40] <newdle> Reply from 203.12.160.34: bytes=32 time=120ms TTL=57
[8:41] <nextgens> not too bad
[8:41] <nextgens> I really have to go ... sorry
[8:41] <newdle> thats ok
[8:41] <newdle> i have to go too
[8:41] * nextgens afk
[8:42] <newdle> hopefully it runs faster tomorrow
[9:27] * newdle (seb@220-244-174-30-qld.tpgi.com.au) Quit ("ya mum quits irc")
[10:05] * pittaman (~mistery_b@81.164.16.202) has joined #freenet
[10:28] * Hory (~Miranda@82.76.81.56) Quit ("bbiab")
[11:08] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@abc72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
[11:08] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@abc72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #FreeNET
[11:26] * nextgens (~nextgens@d213-103-209-43.cust.tele2.fr) Quit ("Lost terminal")
[11:33] * moskau23 (~Miranda@dsl-082-082-224-215.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[12:25] * jay (jcl@ool-18bf6dac.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #freenet
[12:42] * pwk__ (~phweak@dsl-62-3-71-168.zen.co.uk) Quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[12:53] * jay (jcl@ool-18bf6dac.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (".")
[13:17] <sbc> With sourceforge at the speed it is, is there a mirror? Or plans of making one (i guess i'm not the only one who wants to fetch freenet).
[13:26] <hobx__> I don't think a lot is being spent on it.
[13:48] * spaetz (~spaetz@80-218-144-36.dclient.hispeed.ch) Quit ("Verlassend")
[13:56] * Hory (~Miranda@82.76.81.56) has joined #FreeNet
[14:04] * sbc (~sc@83.72.201.52.ip.tele2adsl.dk) has left #freenet
[14:10] * pwk_ (~phweak@dsl-62-3-71-168.zen.co.uk) has joined #freenet
[15:07] * sdogi_ (~java@84-50-18-224-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee) has joined #freenet
[15:13] * sdogi (~java@84-50-19-192-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[15:24] * TLF (~francisco@58.Red-81-40-113.pooles.rima-tde.net) has joined #freenet
[15:41] * pittaman (~mistery_b@81.164.16.202) Quit (Client Quit)
[15:44] * pittaman (~mistery_b@d51A410CA.kabel.telenet.be) has joined #freenet
[15:46] * TLF (~francisco@58.Red-81-40-113.pooles.rima-tde.net) Quit ("Adi?s a todos y a todas, y que les vaya bien. || http://www.vitaliano.esp.cc")
[15:50] * moskawa23 (~Miranda@p508506D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #freenet
[16:59] * pittaman (~mistery_b@d51A410CA.kabel.telenet.be) Quit ("sjelffuhrminkingggg / "I pwn U all ^^" / kut")
[17:24] * moskawa23 (~Miranda@p508506D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[18:35] * Hory (~Miranda@82.76.81.56) Quit ("CyberLore.net - Recommendations on the best games, freeware and websites.")
[19:25] * moskau23 (~Miranda@dsl-213-023-248-072.arcor-ip.net) has joined #freenet
[19:31] * guido^pe (~unknown@dsl-082-082-159-028.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[19:36] * guido^pe (~unknown@dsl-082-082-159-028.arcor-ip.net) has joined #freenet
[20:09] * moskau23 (~Miranda@dsl-213-023-248-072.arcor-ip.net) Quit ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
[21:29] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@abc72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
[21:29] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@abi196.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #FreeNET
[21:35] * guido^pe (~unknown@dsl-082-082-159-028.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[21:39] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@abi196.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
[21:40] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@aal184.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #FreeNET
[21:54] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@aal184.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
[21:54] * Ash-Fox (HAL-9000@abk9.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #FreeNET
[22:20] <TheSeeker> Why isn't there an *official* snapshot mirror in freenet? you know, inserted by one of the dev people who people trust to make the snapshots in the first place...
[22:21] <greycat> The official answer that Ian and Matthew give is that they would need to be able to revoke the SSK keys in the event of compromise, and there's no way to do that yet.
[22:23] <TheSeeker> and what prevents a compromise of the sourceforge servers as it stands?
[22:25] <TheSeeker> I thought there was no practical way of breaking the SSK ... brute force is all there is and that's not worth the cpu time it would take on average, right? (politics is faster)
[22:27] <Ash-Fox> heh, someone e-mailed me, asking me why I'm using a windows server for e-mail stuff.. I replied: I find clicking "next" 3 times vs http://sylvestre.ledru.info/howto/howto_qmail_vpopmail.php alot easier
[22:29] <TheSeeker> www.gmail.com *nod*
[22:30] <TheSeeker> does everything I need it to, and probably has better reliability than my HDD.
[22:31] <Ash-Fox> gmail doesn't host your company e-mail servers
[22:31] <Ash-Fox> and I wouldn't trust any company that had a @gmail.com address
[22:31] <TheSeeker> hrm. true enough, though you could use redirects.
[22:32] <TheSeeker> for incoming mail anyway.
[22:32] <TheSeeker> I understand what you're talking about though, so I'll be quiet.
[22:49] * greycat (rfc1413@wooledge.org) Quit ("This time the bullet cold rocked ya / A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika")
[23:07] * kmag (~kmag@pcp04402498pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) has joined #freenet
[23:07] <kmag> so... is it helpful to the developers for me to run freenet-unstable?
[23:10] <kmag> wow... not many people are here
[23:11] <kmag> I'll ask another time.
[23:11] <kmag> Unstable gives me some trouble, but I'd rather use it if it helps development
[23:11] * kmag (~kmag@pcp04402498pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) has left #freenet
[23:22] * Sugadude (foobar@outpost.zedz.net) has joined #freenet
[23:32] <mikeeusa> hi
[23:44] <TheSeeker> I think the last time I asked that it was "generally, no, not unless you can debug the errors yourself. we're using simulations now for most of our theoretical improvement ideas"
These logs were automatically created by Jay Oliveri with his gimp hapi on irc.freenode.net.