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[2:01] <KenMan> ugh - the simulation just gave me indigestion. Why the hell does randomly routing 5% of requests increase pSuccess ?
[2:03] <KenMan> it is certainly not a good sign in any case. For HTL=10, it means only (0.95^10=0.60) 60% of requests get routed along the proper path.
[2:06] <KenMan> proper according to NGR, anyway. So misrouting 5% of all queries helps spread the load, or the learning, or what ? This is illogical, and disturbing.
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[3:29] <spaetz> morning all
[3:56] <spaetz> brb
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[8:03] <PoisonBorz> some newbie question: i have a dsl connection, latest freenet version and i'm running freenet for a couple of hours now, but i cannot reach 90% of the freesites on the freedom engine (Data not found) Is this...normal?
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[8:22] <toad_> KenMan: if we always route to the node that NGR says is best, then we will never try the other nodes; we will just pick one at the beginning and ALWAYS route to that one node
[8:23] <d-ArkAngel> unless our current favorate node failes enough to push it from it's top place slot.
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[8:31] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: which will never happen unless we have some data on the other nodes!
[8:34] <toad_> only way to avoid that is optimistic init
[8:34] <toad_> which is much much worse
[8:36] <d-ArkAngel> I kinda assumed that nodes would start off with a reasonable chance of succes.
[8:38] <d-ArkAngel> looks like IPv6 might have a killer app in the works...
[8:38] <d-ArkAngel> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/18/nokia_ipv6_mobile/
[8:44] <spaetz> Shouldn't expectations about new nodes start kind of optimistic?
[8:45] <spaetz> So we would try new nodes a couple of times as well?
[8:45] <toad_> my main concern with ipv6 is that people will try to engineer a ubiquitous-expensive-QoS situation
[8:45] <toad_> spaetz: no
[8:45] <toad_> we won't learn much about them in "a couple of times"
[8:45] <toad_> it takes a long time for the estimators to learn
[8:46] <toad_> and if they start optimistic they will (at least temporarily) dominate routing
[8:46] <toad_> and yes this is exploitable
[8:46] <spaetz> mmh, right that would be an easy attack
[8:46] <d-ArkAngel> toad, I've just had an interesting idea. when a new node joins the network, it knows nothing right? and that's why it takes a day or so to get up to speed
[8:46] <spaetz> Somehow the obvious solution of diverting a certain percentage of reqs to them sounds bad to me
[8:47] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: not necessarily
[8:47] <toad_> estimator passing
[8:47] * spaetz dislikes ambigous and magic percentage numbers
[8:47] <toad_> spaetz: i tried turning it off after some cutoff point
[8:47] <toad_> that didn't help
[8:47] <toad_> that produced worse success
[8:48] <toad_> so i think it's useful ongoing
[8:48] <toad_> so we probe parts of nodes that we don't know about
[8:48] <d-ArkAngel> so why does a node take so long to get up to speed? because people don't like talking to it because it has nothing to offer?
[8:49] <toad_> in theory announcements should prevent that particular problem...
[8:49] <toad_> in practice, announcements don't work with more than a small htl
[8:49] <toad_> and they take some time to get down to that
[8:49] <d-ArkAngel> what do announcements do?
[8:50] <toad_> set an optimistic estimator spike in a bunch of nodes' RTs for that node, at a random (and un-fixable) key
[8:51] <d-ArkAngel> to convince people to connect to it.
[8:51] <d-ArkAngel> interesting
[8:52] <toad_> to give it an initial specialization
[8:52] <toad_> which will rapidly turn into a real specialization - we hope
[8:52] <d-ArkAngel> what's to stop you spamming announcements?
[8:52] <toad_> you can't announce unless you're not in the RT.. i changed that to you can't announce unless you're still newbie
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[8:53] <toad_> bbl
[8:53] <d-ArkAngel> can you nnounce more than once as long as you do it during the newbie period then?
[8:54] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: you shouldn't be able to
[8:54] <toad_> but i think you can
[8:54] <toad_> but it'll be over quickly if the announcements work anyway
[8:54] <toad_> bbl
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[14:41] <linagee> damn it. freenet is the last anonymous place, isn't it?
[14:41] <Sugadude> linagee: No, there's i2p. ;)
[14:41] <linagee> Sugadude: no, i mean i just read a thing that says as of Apr 2000, CMRA's have to provide two forms of ID to the USPS
[14:42] <linagee> Sugadude: in other words, you cannot go to Postal Annex and get an anonymous mailbox.
[14:42] <linagee> or "truly anonymous"
[14:42] <Sugadude> OK, and this is of interest to me, why?
[14:43] <linagee> and after reading that walmart tracks every one of it's customers by their credit card. hah
[14:43] <linagee> Sugadude: they know who you are and are coming for you! :) </conspiracy>
[14:43] * Sugadude isn't a US citizen/resident.
[14:43] <linagee> Sugadude: lucky! :)
[14:43] <Sugadude> Nor would I ever shop at walmart. ;)
[14:44] <linagee> Sugadude: we just got another idiot in the whitehouse for another four years.
[14:44] * linagee lives in california, a kerry state
[14:44] * greycat lives in Ohio, the purple state.
[14:45] <linagee> greycat: lol. it's blue. oh wait no, i mean, now that i see money under the table.... Red.... yes... :)
[14:45] <greycat> heh
[14:45] <greycat> red with a greenish tint >:)
[14:45] * Sugadude lives in Israel, the terrorist state.
[14:45] <linagee> Sugadude: in terrorist state? :)
[14:45] <greycat> the US is catching up, don't worry
[14:46] * linagee moves to canada before they draft everyone
[14:47] <linagee> s/they/bush/
[14:48] <Sugadude> Democracy sucks, ha? :)
[14:48] <greycat> Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other forms we've tried.
[14:48] <linagee> does freenet go pretty fast now? last time i tried it everything was like 2k/s
[14:49] <greycat> the point isn't to download 1 file at a time at 2k/s. It's to download 20 files at a time at 40k/s total ;)
[14:49] * Sugadude tries hard not to bash Freenet...
[14:49] <greycat> Freenet is all about Routing. If the data exists, you have to find it. Everything else follows that.
[14:49] <linagee> Sugadude: the concept is execellent. it's just last time i tried it, it was pretty slow.
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[14:50] <greycat> Once you figure out how to make Freenet find the data, speed will follow naturally.
[14:50] <linagee> greycat: that would rule if corporations were forced to use freenet. :) the most popular things keep persistance in freenet, so things like banner ads would gradually fade into nothingness. :)
[14:51] <greycat> you can't force anyone to use freenet. that's just silly.
[14:51] <linagee> lol
[14:52] <Sugadude> No! I don't want commercialism to invade the few places it has not touched yet. Corporations should stay the heck away from Freenet.
[14:52] <greycat> fine by me.
[14:52] <linagee> Sugadude: what are you afraid of? they can't buy their way into popularity?
[14:53] <Sugadude> linagee: Just compare the WWW of ten years ago and that of today.
[14:53] <greycat> there's surely no danger of corporations "invading" freenet as it is now....
[14:54] <linagee> Sugadude: you said you live in Israel. we can't even go to the grocery store here without being tracked. lol
[14:54] <Sugadude> greycat: Are you itching to see broken Flash sites on Freenet?
[14:54] <linagee> Sugadude: "value savings card" = "we know everything you own card"
[14:54] <greycat> Sugadude: the node's gateway filter would strip flash out anyway.
[14:55] <greycat> linagee: I do most of my shopping at K-mart, which has no member cards, but since I buy with a debit card, the bank can track it anyway :)
[14:55] <Sugadude> linagee: So what if they do know?
[14:55] <greycat> I appreciate the paranoia, but *personally* I'm not terribly worried that they know what kind of pretzels I prefer
[14:56] <linagee> greycat: huh???
[14:56] <linagee> greycat: "the bank can track it"??
[14:56] <linagee> greycat: no. sorry. kmart tracks it too. :)
[14:56] <greycat> well yeah, but only because I buy with a bank card that has a unique number. If I paid cash, they wouldn't.
[14:57] <greycat> unless the cashiers recognize my face or something
[14:57] <greycat> as I said, I'm not that worried about it
[14:57] <linagee> greycat: you're paying with cash!?!? terrorist! lol
[14:57] <greycat> heehee
[14:57] <linagee> i wonder what costs a store more, cash or credit
[14:58] <linagee> credit has transfer fee + percentage fee. cash has people that have to drive around that reinforced armored truck to pick it up.
[14:59] <linagee> Sugadude: do they have huge monopolistic chains of stores in Israel?
[15:00] <Sugadude> linagee: Yes, though they're tiny when compared to the *marts. Israel is a tiny place.
[15:00] <linagee> *marts. hehehe
[15:01] <linagee> heheh. /me reads the freenet page. "Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?"
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[18:00] <hobx> evenings are long, and mornings are short. I wrote a song, and it was real tort!
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[19:31] <KenMan> <toad_> KenMan: if we always route to the node that NGR says is best, then we will never try the other nodes
[19:31] <KenMan> Well, I thought NGR was supposed to be specialized !
[19:31] <KenMan> Always selecting one node over all the others implies that node is specialized in all areas...
[19:32] <KenMan> which is impossible, no ?
[19:35] <KenMan> Okay, i ran a test last night. Using 200x15x10x100, I ran 46 simulations, with the percent of randomly routed queries set from 0 to 45.
[19:36] <KenMan> I only ran each sim out to 1M unique CHK requests. But it still produced an interesting plot of success vs. %random-routed
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[19:43] <linagee> is the seednodes.ref 14 megs?
[19:44] <Shii> mine's 14.6M
[19:45] <Shii> Is there a way to look for connections to a particular node, or do you have to just keep looking for a route?
[19:45] <Shii> hmm, that question answers itself... :<
[19:51] <KenMan> here's the summary graph (of 53 sims) for toad_ - http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/FreeNet/sumsim.png
[19:53] <KenMan> it says (without more exhaustive testing) that letting NGR route less than half of all requests is superior to letting it route all requests !! That sounds bad.
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[19:59] <toad_> <KenMan> it says (without more exhaustive testing) that letting NGR route less than half of all requests is superior to letting it route all requests !! That sounds bad.
[19:59] <toad_> that's insane
[19:59] <toad_> i'm sure i've graphed random routing
[20:00] <toad_> and it was much lower
[20:00] <toad_> than ANY NGR
[20:00] <toad_> as regards specialization, not exactly; i'm assuming there that we know nothing about the nodes except what we learn, and pessimistic init
[20:00] <toad_> does that clarify things?
[20:00] <toad_> anyway it looks like the peak is at 5%
[20:00] <toad_> not 50%
[20:01] <toad_> which is good as 5% is a picked-out-of-my-imagination number..
[20:03] <linagee> does freenet take longer when you first start using it?
[20:04] <Shii> i think so, it seems to help to try to connect to well-spread pages first
[20:05] <linagee> Shii: that one did not work. the only things loaded so far are two images. the well known image and the one below it
[20:05] <linagee> ah. three.
[20:05] <linagee> four! :)
[20:06] <Shii> i couldn't even get the CoE image when I first started my node :<
[20:06] <linagee> i guess there are 14 megs of nodes, it has to go through them and find the bad (down) ones
[20:06] <linagee> Shii: i already followed the NAT instructions
[20:08] <linagee> i started my freenet node, am i helping terrorists? :-/ lol
[20:10] <KenMan> toad - by coincidence, the number of unique keys (after 1M reqs) is inversely proportional to the success levels i plotted
[20:10] <Shii> wow, i'm making my 15th attempt now on SSK@szGkEWGmpXKoQHqsu9ubZze-kOgPAgM/CAT//
[20:10] <linagee> Shii: hehehe. reverse slashdot effect! :)
[20:10] <Shii> the unpopular effect :v
[20:11] <KenMan> although the pSuccess peak was around 5% , that is also the bottom of the curve for total key capacity
[20:11] <linagee> Shii: well no, i mean everyone is probably following your link which actually makes it easier for you to load because then there are more sources. :)
[20:12] <Shii> i still can't get to it though...
[20:12] <linagee> neither can i
[20:13] <linagee> Shii: could not find after 15 hops to live
[20:13] <linagee> what is a flog?
[20:13] <linagee> just a blog on freenet? sillyness. lol
[20:14] <Shii> yes
[20:14] <KenMan> toad_ - all i'm saying is we don't know if the chicken came before the egg, re: success, %random routes, key redundancy... :(
[20:15] <linagee> cool. links on yoyo tend to come up pretty fast for me. :)
[20:15] <linagee> oic. it's part of some kind of zip file or something? huh???
[20:17] <linagee> does this work for anyone? SSK@IWmzQkYKOlOefQoWbGCQSrkS3vsPAgM,NzRr-Pj88cVT0bN~1urLVg/FIND//activelink.png
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[20:19] <KenMan> anyway, i'll finish running the %randomness chart out to 100 just for kicks...
[20:21] <toad_> <Shii> wow, i'm making my 15th attempt now on SSK@szGkEWGmpXKoQHqsu9ubZze-kOgPAgM/CAT// - what is that?
[20:21] <toad_> <KenMan> although the pSuccess peak was around 5% , that is also the bottom of the curve for total key capacity
[20:21] <toad_> I don't get it
[20:21] <linagee> toad_: probably porn or something. hahaha
[20:22] <Shii> not porn silly :v
[20:22] <Shii> it's the homepage for Share, the extremely popular japanese filesharing software
[20:22] <KenMan> toad_: when I use 5% randrouted , the total number of unique keys netwide is at its lowest
[20:22] <KenMan> ie redundancy is at the highest level
[20:22] <toad_> KenMan: but the psuccess is highest for a fixed number of keys
[20:23] <KenMan> huh? I don't get that.
[20:25] <toad_> KenMan: the success ratio is the highest at 5%
[20:26] <toad_> oooh
[20:26] <KenMan> i don't dispute that. Now, i am wondering, can we decide whether we should ever randomly route an INSERT ??
[20:26] <linagee> wow. i really like this feature, but i can't talk about it on irc, i'll have to figure out how to use freenet IRC-like stuff. :)
[20:26] <toad_> samba updated - new version 3.0.8-1. perhaps it will finally fix the debianbug that it segvs every 5 minutes? we can but hope...
[20:26] <KenMan> it sure looks like that is what we do now :(
[20:26] <toad_> linagee: what feature?
[20:26] <linagee> toad_: it's not within legality to talk about on open networks. :)
[20:27] <toad_> linagee: for IRC, you want either frost (jtcfrost.sf.net), which isn't real time, but is more like mailing lists, or you want I2P (www.i2p.net)
[20:27] <Shii> as usual
[20:27] <linagee> toad_: not necessarily a feature, actually a website. :)
[20:27] <toad_> linagee: ah
[20:27] <toad_> not a feature
[20:27] <toad_> fine
[20:27] <KenMan> i didn't know kiddy porn was a 'feature' :o (i'm just kiddign with you)
[20:27] <toad_> well don't tell me
[20:27] <toad_> i'm traceable
[20:27] <linagee> KenMan: hahah. no, it's not that. :P
[20:27] <toad_> and vulnerable
[20:27] <linagee> lol
[20:27] <KenMan> good enough for me
[20:27] <toad_> being the project $codemonkey
[20:28] <toad_> although if you've observed me/the list/the IRC over the last week you might not think so ! ;)
[20:28] <linagee> toad_: you can't randomly distribute code bits through freenet using a different nickname or something? :)
[20:28] <toad_> I don't claim for work I don't do, and I've had a number of RL issues lately
[20:28] <toad_> linagee: please do not tell me about illegal activity full stop
[20:28] <toad_> not unless there is a clear public interest
[20:29] <KenMan> that happens to us all. Just keep spending what time you can. So, regarding inserts ??
[20:29] <toad_> e.g. anything on $cientology, the diebold stuff, and PERHAPS some of the Bad Shit If True files, are fair game for me :)
[20:29] <linagee> toad_: lol. diebold. :)
[20:29] <linagee> toad_: freedom of speech allows us to say diebold sucks an infinite number of times. :)
[20:29] <KenMan> and computers help us to do just that
[20:29] * toad_ notes that "fair game" is actually a $cientology term.. I don't use it in quite the same sense though :)
[20:29] <toad_> linagee: better
[20:30] <toad_> linagee: it lets us trade their source code, internal memos and other HARD EVIDENCE
[20:30] <linagee> toad_: voting through freenet! yeah! that's a way to run a country! LOL. (j/k)
[20:30] <toad_> for purely journalistic and activist purposes, of course
[20:30] <KenMan> I guess I'll just go see what happens when I don't allow inserts to ever be randomly routed. I don't know why we ever would want they going anywhere other than where NGR says... they don't affect estimators, do they ?
[20:31] <toad_> "fair game" means "do what the fuck you want to these people, they deserve it, but don't tell anyone we told you to!"
[20:31] <toad_> not quite my meaning
[20:31] <toad_> KenMan: hmmm
[20:31] <toad_> KenMan: I don't think that inserts are random routed
[20:31] <toad_> so try that, sure
[20:32] <KenMan> it looks like they are to me, your code likely differs by now ;)
[20:32] <KenMan> in this code, run(insert) like run(req) calls route()
[20:32] <toad_> they are in the sim
[20:32] <linagee> toad_: what does this mean? "Try again, perhaps with the GPL to help your node learn about others. "
[20:32] <toad_> i don't think they are IRL
[20:32] <toad_> good catch
[20:32] <toad_> linagee: ummm
[20:32] <linagee> toad_: does loading a GPL text file help somehow?
[20:32] <toad_> linagee: the fetch didn't work
[20:32] <toad_> try again with another file to try to help your node learn
[20:32] <linagee> oic...
[20:32] <Shii> that would be KSK@license.txt
[20:33] <Shii> or whatever that is
[20:33] * linagee tries to load GPL.txt, taking a bit of time.
[20:33] <Shii> KSK@ anything is often a risky thing to try loading
[20:33] <linagee> Shii: what is KSK@?
[20:34] <toad_> no
[20:34] <toad_> there is a CHK@
[20:34] <linagee> unsecure key or something?
[20:34] <Shii> no key
[20:34] <toad_> for the GPL
[20:34] <toad_> it's linked
[20:34] <toad_> in the error message
[20:34] <linagee> toad_: right. i'm trying it
[20:34] <Shii> ah, ok.
[20:34] <toad_> "the GPL" should be a link
[20:34] <linagee> toad_: hah.
[20:34] <linagee> toad_: "
[20:34] <linagee> Couldn't retrieve key: CHK@hdXaxkwZ9rA8-SidT0AN-bniQlgPAwI%2cXdCDmBuGsd-ulqbLnZ8v%7ew/GPL.txt "
[20:34] <linagee> toad_: but i can get like the freenode main page and stuff
[20:34] <linagee> and yoyo
[20:34] <toad_> linagee: what error?
[20:35] <linagee> Error: Route Not Found
[20:35] * linagee tries some links off freedom engine to get it "learning" or whatnot
[20:35] <toad_> how many open conns?
[20:35] <toad_> advanced -> open connections
[20:36] <linagee> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 36 (9/27/200)
[20:36] <linagee> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 22 (4/18)
[20:36] <toad_> okay, that's good
[20:37] <linagee> why? because 4 people are leeching off of me? :)
[20:37] <toad_> no
[20:37] <toad_> # conns is good
[20:37] <toad_> and most of them aren't leaches
[20:37] <linagee> is there a popular easy to load site off freedom engine that you can recommend? (legal)
[20:37] <toad_> it's hard to leach and get good performance on freenet
[20:37] <linagee> i
[20:38] <linagee> i'm trying sites on freedom engine but they don't load
[20:38] * linagee tries "My 2cents worth"
[20:38] <toad_> hmmm
[20:38] <toad_> you got all 5 of the main pages?
[20:38] <linagee> only four icons loaded
[20:38] <linagee> the middle one did not
[20:38] <toad_> i haven't got FIND..
[20:38] <linagee> yes
[20:38] <linagee> no find
[20:38] <toad_> have got CofE, TFE, YoYo
[20:39] <Shii> i can't get find either, probably because it misses updates
[20:40] <linagee> Shii: the icon or the site?
[20:40] <Shii> neither
[20:40] <Shii> Unlike the other sites, find is updated in days instead of editions... probably spreads slower
[20:41] <linagee> do i just have to set a really large hops to live or something?
[20:41] <linagee> it's at 15 (default) right now
[20:41] <Shii> i don't think that's good for the network
[20:41] <linagee> ah! GPL.txt came up! woot! :)
[20:44] <Shii> I seem to be connected to commission.eu.org :/
[20:46] <toad_> Shii: eek
[20:47] <Shii> are there usually nodes like that on the network?
[20:47] <Shii> hah, eu.org is just a free domain name service :)
[20:48] <KenMan> now toad, i think we discussed this when you built queueing. I don't believe Q'ing makes a *significant* difference - primarily mRI is driving routing, not NGR (those routes with the lowest mRI get most reqs)
[20:48] <KenMan> could it make sense to make inserts invulnerable to mRI ?
[20:48] <KenMan> ie. they should go where NGR wants, and not mRI
[20:49] <KenMan> maybe that could provide a boost to the system ?
[20:49] <KenMan> currently inserts have to respect mRI, but they don't put load on the receiving end (we consider incoming bw as cheaper than outgoing)
[20:50] <KenMan> mRI is meant to dampen load on the receiving end, right ?
[20:50] <KenMan> (receiving end of an insert, anyway)
[20:55] <KenMan> it just seems like routing inserts "as best as possible" is more important than routing requests with the best possible accuracy
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[20:57] <toad_> KenMan: no
[20:58] <toad_> inserts put a lot more load on than requests do
[20:58] <toad_> mostly because they keep getting restarted, they have crazy timeouts, and they usually start sending the data before they are rejected
[21:01] <KenMan> okay, just a thought, thrown at you a second time ;)
[21:02] <KenMan> when we talked about fire and forget (just push an insert one hop further , don't wait for final confirmation), did we
[21:02] <KenMan> accept that the full/final insertion can be faked anyway ?
[21:02] <KenMan> I forgot the benefit, except for users.
[21:02] * goatee_ is now known as goatee
[21:03] <toad_> benefit for users is highly dubious
[21:03] <toad_> benefit for us is they don't RNF
[21:03] <Shii> uhhh freenet is using 60% of my memory
[21:04] <toad_> Shii: real or virtual?
[21:04] <toad_> what OS?
[21:04] <toad_> and how much ram is that?
[21:04] <Shii> linux
[21:04] <toad_> well, real or virtual? the virtual figure on top is insane usually
[21:04] <toad_> the RSS is much more useful
[21:05] <Shii> how do you find this using top :<
[21:06] <Shii> oh, i see, "RES" is 84mb
[21:06] <Shii> and rising
[21:06] <Shii> "VIRT" is 355mb
[21:07] <Shii> 90m now... 92...
[21:08] <Shii> 101m, i didn't know i had this much memory free
[21:08] <Shii> 124m. pretty sure something's going to crash pretty soon
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[21:14] <KenMan> unfortunately, i don't think random routing of inserts has a big impact. Not like for requests !!
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[21:16] <KenMan> had to kill the rabbit, huh ?
[21:16] <Shii> yeah...
[21:17] <Shii> i'd like to know what makes the memory load go up :/
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[21:30] <toad_> Shii: how much ram do you have? 128M?
[21:31] <toad_> what's the big deal? do you live in india? are you unemployed?
[21:31] <toad_> :)
[21:31] <Shii> 256MB
[21:31] <toad_> well what else runs on it?
[21:31] <Shii> firefox? that was taking up 70M
[21:32] <toad_> heh
[21:32] <toad_> i don't see why freenet shouldn't run tolerably on 256M, even with firefox..
[21:33] <toad_> i'd like to make freenet use less ram, of course
[21:33] <toad_> but that's one of a hundred important things to do with it
[21:33] <Shii> why did it keep on going up, though? was it something i did?
[21:33] <toad_> have to focus on the really important things
[21:33] <toad_> no
[21:33] <linagee> is there somewhere i can download a better .ref?
[21:33] <toad_> i don't know exactly but i don't think it would have kept on going up
[21:34] <toad_> linagee: than the main seednodes? there are other seednodes, but the main ones are pretty good
[21:34] <toad_> as long as you've got numerous incoming connections, just leave it for a couple days and see what happens
[21:34] <toad_> it's not perfect but it's greatly improved on a year ago
[21:35] <toad_> bbl zzz
[21:35] <|UK-Monster|> i find freenet can work even after an 5 min clean start
[21:35] * |UK-Monster| is now known as leexgx
[21:41] <Shii> "Attempts were made to contact 2 nodes. 1 restarted. 1 rejected."
[21:41] <Shii> is there a page explaining what this means? :/
[21:44] <Shii> why are these nodes rejecting me :(
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[23:46] <linagee> yikes. "Total amount of data transferred 220 MiB"
[23:50] <linagee> why is my load 110%? how can that even be? lol
[23:55] <mikeeusa> do you have 2 procs?
These logs were automatically created by Jay Oliveri with his gimp hapi on irc.freenode.net.
