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[0:00] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> If the most efficient attack on your algo is brute force, 128 bit is impossible to break
[0:00] <asciiwhite> not with quatium computing :)
[0:00] <Hirvox> the previous USA standard was DES (later 3DES), which used shorter keys
[0:00] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> Well, until we get quantum
[0:01] <asciiwhite> lol :)
[0:01] <asciiwhite> whats the deal with fillament ?
[0:02] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> But when we get quantum, I'd have to imagine that 4096 bit keys won't be much stronger than 128, so keylenght is moot
[0:03] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> So what do you mean what's the deal with me?
[0:03] <asciiwhite> Just wondering why are you posting <filllaMent> through <i2p_iip>
[0:03] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> That's eyeKon
[0:04] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> eyeKon bounces stuff over i2p_iip and freenode
[0:04] <asciiwhite> whats eyekon
[0:04] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> An IRC bot
[0:04] <asciiwhite> ah ok
[0:05] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> I see it as eyeKon_, may be some other nick for you
[0:05] <asciiwhite> i2p_iip: is there any plan to implement mixmaster type posting in freenet ?
[0:05] <Hirvox> you mean premix/onion routing?
[0:05] <asciiwhite> yeah
[0:06] <asciiwhite> or mabye even using mixmaster infrastructure to post to freenet servers
[0:06] <asciiwhite> simular to what people are doing now using it to post to forums etc.
[0:08] <Hirvox> well, if we want to use email as an alternate transport, routing needs to be much more accurate
[0:09] <Hirvox> but if you want Freenet to protect your identity while posting to Usenet or sending email, you really should check out i2p first
[0:10] <asciiwhite> no i was thinking of it more so for protecting users when posting to freenet
[0:10] <asciiwhite> that is making harder to track down path of data.
[0:11] <asciiwhite> SMTP->Freenet bridge ( to quote the site)
[0:12] <Hirvox> there's been some talk about implementing onion routing for the first few hops of routing, but it has the same problem as does mixmaster: you'll need a couple trusted (as in: the few node operators can be trusted not to co-operate with each other) nodes
[0:12] <asciiwhite> what do you mean ?
[0:13] <Hirvox> well, if the nodes you're using with mixmaster are all compromized by the same entity, you're screwed, because he can track down the message path. But if just one of the nodes obscures the message path, you're fine
[0:13] <asciiwhite> ah yeah true
[0:14] <asciiwhite> once freenet grows i cant see how all nodes could be comprised
[0:14] <asciiwhite> considering that its global
[0:15] <asciiwhite> not all countrys are pro American influence :)
[0:15] <asciiwhite> get some servers in North korea and Russia
[0:16] <Hirvox> you should really ask toad about premix/onion routing, it's scheduled to be implemented sometime after the current simulator/NGRouting tuning work
[0:16] <asciiwhite> ok sounds good
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[0:18] <asciiwhite> oops
[0:20] <asciiwhite> whats ip2 ?
[0:21] <Hirvox> i2p is a generalized mesh network, which can transport pretty much anything, like IRC, email, HTTP traffic etc
[0:21] <asciiwhite> url ?
[0:21] <Hirvox> http://www.i2p.net/
[0:21] <asciiwhite> thanks
[0:21] <Hirvox> both i2p and Freenet share some users, and there's some collaboration between the developers
[0:24] <Hirvox> it's a successor to IIP (Invisible IRC)
[0:25] <asciiwhite> do i need to forward anything on firewall ?
[0:26] <Hirvox> yes, the i2p node port
[0:26] <Hirvox> I gotta go soon, the folks at #i2p can probably give you more advice than I can
[0:27] <asciiwhite> thx
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[1:11] <JabberBot> <> freenet
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[5:57] * toad_ hmmz
[5:58] <d-ArkAngel> what?
[6:01] <toad_> what's the FFII channel called here?
[6:03] <d-ArkAngel> *shrug*
[6:04] <d-ArkAngel> why something interesting going on?
[6:06] * toad_ been invited to apply to attend a meeting with amongst other people Lord Sainsbury of Turville
[6:06] * toad_ wonders whether his presence would harm or hurt the cause
[6:14] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[6:14] <d-ArkAngel> your presence can't hurt.
[6:14] <d-ArkAngel> long as you don't abuse him :-)
[6:15] <toad_> well that's the hard part
[6:15] <toad_> the leaflet they've sent us, which we've been analysing recently from a PDF, contains a number of downright lies
[6:35] <toad_> so, first and foremost, i need to decide.. can my presence hurt?
[6:39] <plixed> the ffii leaflet contains lies?
[6:40] <toad_> yep
[6:40] <toad_> no
[6:40] <toad_> the UKPO leaflet contains lies ;)
[6:40] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[6:40] * d-ArkAngel feigns shock
[6:40] <toad_> http://nosoftwarepatents.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=123
[6:42] <plixed> ahh :)
[6:42] <toad_> Innovation Lie, Harmonization Alibi, Qualified Majority Lie , High Level Lie, The Mother of All Lies (not all battles ;) ), Unprotected Software Lie, Practice Lie, SME Lie and Nothing Happened Lie
[6:43] <toad_> <toad_> is it detrimental to the cause for me to register for the meeting?
[6:43] <toad_> <toad_> is it potentially detrimental?
[6:43] <toad_> <toad_> is there any plausible reason why it might be?
[6:43] <toad_> <toad_> i.e. is there any reason why I should delay registering?
[6:43] <toad_> <toad_> or should I send the form in ASAP?
[6:43] <toad_> <toad_> please don't be afraid to assume the worst about me and/or offend me
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[7:30] <leexgx> lol leexgx-zz
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[7:54] <znation> anyone here?
[7:54] <znation> i'm trying to get freenet working
[7:54] <znation> and i'm not sure if it is
[7:57] <znation> hello? (echoes repeatedly)
[8:00] <leexgx> i do two
[8:02] <znation> eh?
[8:03] <leexgx> :)
[8:03] <leexgx> whats up with freenet
[8:03] <leexgx> i got limited time
[8:05] <znation> oh
[8:05] <znation> uh, i don't know if my freenet is working
[8:05] <znation> i just installed it
[8:05] <znation> and told it my ip address was my external net one
[8:05] <znation> and forwarded the right port from my router
[8:05] <leexgx> havee you put your ip in the freenet.ini file and fowad the port
[8:05] <znation> now i have 2 outbound connections, one of which is transferring some data (i DID get the GPL after a minute or two)
[8:05] <leexgx> ops lol
[8:06] <znation> lol
[8:06] <znation> yeah
[8:06] <znation> but nothing else is loading, such as any of the bookmarks
[8:06] <leexgx> how long it been running for
[8:06] <znation> and it says Error: Route Not Found
[8:06] <znation> Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes.
[8:06] <znation> * 0 were totally unreachable.
[8:06] <znation> * 0 restarted.
[8:06] <znation> * 0 cleanly rejected.
[8:06] <znation> * 0 backed off.
[8:06] <znation> about 10-15 minutes
[8:06] <leexgx> and what ver
[8:06] <znation> build 5099
[8:07] <znation> (just downloaded it)
[8:07] <leexgx> you may want it to runn for an hr or so
[8:07] <znation> uptime 26 minutes now
[8:07] <leexgx> click on adv
[8:07] <leexgx> this is in the web view top right
[8:08] <znation> ok
[8:08] <znation> i'm in adv mode
[8:08] <leexgx> click on open connections
[8:08] <znation> two inbound idle connections
[8:08] <znation> 218 and 29 KiB transferred from them
[8:09] <znation> idle for 38, 50 seconds
[8:09] <leexgx> any out bound
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[8:09] <lee_usen_linux> woho
[8:09] <lee_usen_linux> its working
[8:09] <lee_usen_linux> :P
[8:10] <znation> no outbound
[8:10] <lee_usen_linux> hmm
[8:11] <lee_usen_linux> did you download the ref files
[8:11] <lee_usen_linux> about 14mb
[8:11] <lee_usen_linux> what port you forwad
[8:11] <lee_usen_linux> the one that is in freenet
[8:11] <znation> what ref files?
[8:11] <znation> i didn't do anything with ref files :P
[8:11] <znation> was i supposed to?
[8:12] <lee_usen_linux> when installing freenet it asks you to download them
[8:12] <lee_usen_linux> yes no
[8:12] <lee_usen_linux> yousay no nothing will work
[8:12] <znation> lol
[8:12] <znation> i don't think it asked me
[8:12] <znation> (on linux)
[8:12] <lee_usen_linux> linux
[8:12] <znation> is there a way i can do this manually?
[8:13] <lee_usen_linux> now thats an funny thing i just installed linux
[8:13] <lee_usen_linux> sec
[8:13] <znation> ooh, cool, FIND actually started (very slowly) loading this time
[8:13] <znation> after trying to load it for half an hour
[8:13] <znation> (i still only have 2 inbound connections, though, and 0 outbound)
[8:14] <lee_usen_linux> do you know how to un bz files
[8:15] <znation> yeah
[8:15] <znation> bunzip2, or tar -xjf if it's a .tar.bz2
[8:15] <lee_usen_linux> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.bz2
[8:15] <lee_usen_linux> its only 656k
[8:16] <lee_usen_linux> unpacks to 15mb
[8:16] <lee_usen_linux> ish
[8:16] <znation> hmm
[8:16] <lee_usen_linux> or you can take the .bz off to download the ref
[8:16] <znation> why isn't that included w/ freenet?
[8:16] <lee_usen_linux> same file just not compresed
[8:16] <lee_usen_linux> its not coes of the size
[8:17] <znation> and, can i just drop it in my freenet dir, or do i have to restart freenet? and if i have to restart... is there a "graceful" restart, or do i just stop and start?
[8:17] <lee_usen_linux> downloading 20mb every time i upgrade
[8:17] <lee_usen_linux> stop freenet
[8:17] <znation> ok
[8:17] <lee_usen_linux> but file in and start it back up
[8:17] <znation> hmm, there's already a 14,372k file in my freenet folder called seednodes.ref
[8:17] <lee_usen_linux> this is the first time i used linux in an long time
[8:18] <lee_usen_linux> freenet must have an config problem
[8:18] <znation> hmm
[8:18] <lee_usen_linux> update it any way
[8:18] <lee_usen_linux> it should be 15.2mb
[8:19] <znation> should i change ports? maybe i happen to be using a weird bad port
[8:19] <lee_usen_linux> have you opend the right port
[8:19] <znation> i know i have the right port forwarded
[8:19] <znation> but maybe something else is trying to use that port
[8:19] <lee_usen_linux> not likey
[8:19] <lee_usen_linux> it should be some thing like 34862
[8:20] <znation> ok, i think i found the problem
[8:20] <znation> i had ipAddress=(myip)
[8:20] <lee_usen_linux> what was it
[8:20] <lee_usen_linux> lol
[8:20] <znation> but i also had %ipAddress=
[8:21] <lee_usen_linux> not puplic ip
[8:21] <znation> no, it's public
[8:21] <znation> but i didn't realize that % lines aren't treated as comments in the config
[8:21] <lee_usen_linux> needs to be ipadress=82.2.2.1
[8:21] <lee_usen_linux> ye[
[8:21] <lee_usen_linux> yep
[8:21] <znation> so it should work now...
[8:21] <lee_usen_linux> restart it
[8:21] <znation> i also updated the seednodes.ref file
[8:21] <znation> i just did
[8:22] <znation> lol, now i've got just 1 inbound connection :P
[8:22] <lee_usen_linux> there is an file you can run in the folder that will update it
[8:22] <lee_usen_linux> it takes some time
[8:22] <lee_usen_linux> should not take to long
[8:22] <znation> yeah, ./update.sh ... i ran that
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[8:23] <lee_usen_linux> more yet?
[8:23] <znation> yes!!! i've got an outbound now!
[8:23] <znation> 3 total
[8:23] <znation> :)
[8:23] <lee_usen_linux> it will go up
[8:23] <znation> looks lke it's working
[8:23] <znation> yup, seems to be working now (FIND is loading)
[8:23] <lee_usen_linux> when it gets to 10 connections things mite start to work
[8:24] <lee_usen_linux> mite*
[8:24] <lee_usen_linux> have you got any inbound connections yet
[8:25] <znation> yeah
[8:25] <znation> i have 2 in, 2 out
[8:26] <lee_usen_linux> and there not your on ip in there
[8:26] <znation> huh?
[8:26] <znation> they're random IPs of other people, i guess
[8:26] <lee_usen_linux> ok
[8:27] <lee_usen_linux> it will goto an max of 100
[8:27] <lee_usen_linux> nothing that linux cant handle
[8:28] <znation> lol, yeah
[8:28] <lee_usen_linux> whats your upload
[8:28] <znation> though i have seen certain other programs (*cough* Azureus *cough) do things that the linux kernel doesn't like
[8:28] <lee_usen_linux> at its default to 12k upload
[8:28] <znation> cable modem... probably 40k max
[8:28] <znation> but it varies
[8:28] <znation> oh, yeah, i left it at that
[8:28] <znation> ('cause my roommates also share this connection)
[8:29] <lee_usen_linux> i probly leave it at the default
[8:29] <lee_usen_linux> heh linux has been inproved quite alot
[8:29] <lee_usen_linux> or the distros have
[8:29] <lee_usen_linux> running ferdo core 3
[8:30] <lee_usen_linux> when i get time going to turn me old 486 66 into an router
[8:30] <znation> i just put fedora core 3 on my laptop
[8:30] <znation> but i can't get wireless to work
[8:30] <lee_usen_linux> works?
[8:31] <lee_usen_linux> have you updated it
[8:31] <znation> because the card is a CardBus card with a TI chipset (not supported except by a very very alpha driver that doesn't work at all)
[8:31] <lee_usen_linux> running the update now and i seen one fore wireless
[8:31] <znation> wireless would work, except i was stupid enough to buy the most windows-only card in existence
[8:31] <lee_usen_linux> heh
[8:31] <znation> even the experimental linux driver requires a copy of the windows firmware, but i can't get it to work
[8:32] <lee_usen_linux> most cards support linux
[8:32] <znation> and ndiswrapper with the windows driver just freezes my machine (on slackware 10 with kernel 2.4 and on fedora core 3 with kernel 2.6, so i'm assuming it's the card)
[8:32] <lee_usen_linux> or come with one
[8:32] <znation> this one doesn't, i assure you
[8:32] <plixed> wifi 54 mbs cards mostly are not supported or require bin only stuff
[8:32] <lee_usen_linux> get an new one ?
[8:33] <lee_usen_linux> any way i need to sign my life away on getting an shop
[8:34] <lee_usen_linux> ore storeage at least
[8:34] <znation> mine's only 11 Mbit, 802.11b... but it's this stupid TI chipset that is completely unsupported
[8:35] <toad_> > Also are we able to invite arbitrary
[8:35] <toad_> > people to this particular meeting?
[8:35] <toad_> I don't think so necessarily, but it does seem a bit strange that they
[8:35] <toad_> are holding a meeting like this. I'm not really aware of any precedent
[8:35] <toad_> where Govt. has just held a meeting like this to "inform" people who
[8:35] <toad_> aren't in favour of something.
[8:35] <toad_> interesting...
[8:35] <lee_usen_linux> LO toad_
[8:35] <lee_usen_linux> <<
[8:35] <toad_> hi
[8:35] <toad_> need help?
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[8:35] <lee_usen_linux> ferdorcore intalled on vmware with no probles
[8:35] <plixed> vmware is not the real world (tm)
[8:36] <lee_usen_linux> lol
[8:36] <lee_usen_linux> i know
[8:36] <lee_usen_linux> last time i tryed useing it it used to get 4 pink screens
[8:36] <toad_> :)
[8:37] <lee_usen_linux> i try it on hard ware later on
[8:37] <toad_> you should set it up dual boot
[8:37] <toad_> that's a bit harder though
[8:37] <lee_usen_linux> ferdor core has an fing with messing with partion layout
[8:37] <lee_usen_linux> makes windows none bootable
[8:37] <plixed> lee_usen_linux: fc3 shouldn't
[8:38] <lee_usen_linux> windows still looks at the chs settings
[8:38] <lee_usen_linux> linux does not
[8:38] <toad_> ok, i have a recommendation from alex and dad to go to the meeting, so i will register.. cool
[8:38] <plixed> lee_usen_linux: grub should be able to boot windows
[8:38] <lee_usen_linux> i mess with it on an spre 200gb hdd i got lieing aroung
[8:38] <toad_> lee_usen_linux: ouch
[8:39] <lee_usen_linux> not the problem with grub? booting windows its windows readling the chs settings
[8:40] <lee_usen_linux> i perfer to mess with it on an spre drive i may try an dule boot on spare drive
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[8:40] <lee_usen_linux> later on
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[8:40] <lee_usen_linux> znation, has gone quite
[8:40] <znation> eh?
[8:40] <lee_usen_linux> :P
[8:41] <lee_usen_linux> toad_, is the man to ask any more questons (+ others in here when thay wake up) toad_ does not sleep
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[8:41] <lee_usen_linux-o> .
[8:41] <lee_usen_linux-o> :P
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[8:41] <lee_linux-out> bvetter
[8:41] <lee_linux-out> grr
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[8:42] <lee-win-out> i supos unless i want to run games linux will be grate (and i get to lern things)
[8:44] <toad_> yeah, although it does run many games.. but that's a whole lot easier (and more games) if you get a transgaming subscription (which costs actual $ :< )
[8:45] <lee_linux-out> i ask laater on
[8:45] <lee_linux-out> bbl
[8:45] <lee_linux-out> <
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[10:13] <KenMan> how painful - gnuplot spent 25 minutes computing my 3D distibution plot before I killed it :(
[10:14] <KenMan> this box has only 256M , and is a little slow, but... I may have to plot it with other software :(
[10:15] <KenMan> it was eating 100% cpu, so perhaps this isn't the most efficient rendering program !
[10:16] <znation> what kind of data are you plotting, KenMan ?
[10:16] <KenMan> the object to be drawn was only ~5 million surfaces. The data is output from a FreeNet simulation
[10:16] <znation> i haven't used gnuplot, but i have a bit of experience with astronomical data visualization/analysis, if that's what you're doing :P
[10:17] <KenMan> well, even figuratively, I wouldn't call this 'astronomical data' ;)
[10:17] <znation> hmm... i think gnuplot is supposed to be for much less complex things... i don't know, though (guessing basically)
[10:17] <znation> lol
[10:17] <KenMan> i think i just discovered that for myself !!
[10:17] <znation> yeah...
[10:17] <znation> i can't really recommend anything else off the top of my head
[10:17] <znation> (just now i realized we're in #freenet)
[10:18] <znation> lol, i should go to bed
[10:18] <KenMan> that's okay, I will use the PoV-ray tool to make exactly what I want...
[10:18] <KenMan> night znation - it is my morning wake up time here...
[10:18] <znation> g'night
[10:18] <znation> lol, it should be for me as well, but my schedule's off
[10:19] <KenMan> gotcha. Get some good rest then.
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[11:31] <lee_linux-out> doaoaa
[11:34] <sdogi_> traffic shaping!
[11:34] <sdogi_> rules
[11:35] <lee-win-out> ?
[11:44] <lee_linux-out> brb
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[15:11] <kevloral> g'evening all
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[15:13] <toad_> hi
[15:13] <JabberBot> <nextgens> hi
[15:14] <toad_> yay, my money arrived
[15:14] <toad_> a full week from when I told paypal to draw it to my account...
[15:16] <JabberBot> <nextgens> does the project still get in trouble with them?
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[15:27] <toad_> not at the moment
[15:29] <MadKooky> hi, is there any special things i should care about when i want to insert a freesite? (or is there even a nice tutorial about how to insert a freesite)?
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[15:30] <ShaunMacPherson> Its kinda hard to insert one, at least for SSK ;p
[15:30] <ShaunMacPherson> but for CHK its easy
[15:30] <ShaunMacPherson> :>
[15:30] <JabberBot> <nextgens> MadKooky: do you understand french ?
[15:30] <MadKooky> no sorry
[15:31] <MadKooky> just english and german
[15:32] <JabberBot> <nextgens> Madkooky: do you have access to a running node?
[15:33] <JabberBot> <nextgens> /action : looking for something in his bookmark...
[15:34] <Ribs> MadKooky: use fiw
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[15:35] <MadKooky> yes
[15:35] <JabberBot> <nextgens> Madkooky: on the main page ;-) http://localhost:8888/SSK@rjYFfgPHfolmcStiaoxESFfBXz8PAgM/FreenetHelp//
[15:36] <MadKooky> hmm that's the only site which isn't available at the moment (i try it since 2 days)
[15:38] <JabberBot> <nextgens> /action checking if it loads here without cache
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[15:38] <blade15> hi
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[15:42] <MadKooky> and another question *g* how big should datastore be (at the moment i have 2gb)?
[15:43] <JabberBot> <nextgens> blade15: hi
[15:44] <JabberBot> <nextgens> Madkooky: the bigger you can offer ;-)
[15:45] <MadKooky> ok thx
[15:47] <MadKooky> 10gb should be enough (someone should change the config that people can enter MB instead of byte)
[15:50] <JabberBot> <nextgens> MadKooky: already done : it works
[15:51] <MadKooky> hmm ok ;)
[15:52] <JabberBot> <nextgens> Madkooky: I got DNF too using max HTL :-(
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[15:53] <JabberBot> <nextgens> /action think he shouldn't had fucked up his cache
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[15:53] <lee-win-out> smoothwall good to use ?
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[15:57] <JabberBot> <nextgens> leexgx: what for?
[15:58] <JabberBot> <nextgens> leexgx: tunneling ? (IPSEC, ...), Proxing (SQUID,...), ...
[15:59] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> I love my smoothwall box, but I can't claim that I've tried other linux based firewalls... might like them better
[16:00] <leexgx> just shareing me internet
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[16:01] <leexgx> think my router cant handle the connections
[16:01] <leexgx> dount trust windows
[16:01] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> My only gripe with smoothwall is that if you try to swap out network cards that aren't exactly the same, you have to either manually reconfigure the cards should you reboot, or rebuild the box (which takes all of 10 minutes, if the CD rom in the machine actually works)
[16:01] <leexgx> for been an router
[16:02] <leexgx> i got standed reteck cards
[16:02] <leexgx> realteck
[16:02] <leexgx> i got one that runs of an floppy
[16:02] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> leexgx: THat's why I gave up on broadband routers. My linksys couldn't keep up so I tried to update firmware. The update bricked the router and, having lost 2 already, I gave up on them
[16:03] <leexgx> RT8139D network card sould handle it
[16:03] <leexgx> an per of them
[16:04] <leexgx> been going for the last 5 years no change in chip
[16:04] <i2p_iip> <FillaMent> OH yeah, as long as the router distro has drivers (and RT8139s are pretty common) you're good
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[16:05] <leexgx> i got an floppy ver of one as well
[16:05] <leexgx> called bering
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[16:08] <leexgx> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=910&page_id=36
[16:08] <leexgx> looks older tho
[16:09] <leexgx> got an compaq pii 400 128mb ram and an hdd in it + cdrom seems good enuf to run it
[16:09] <leexgx> probly over kill
[16:10] <leexgx> the onther one i am looking at is an compaq 486 66 sx 32mb ram and an smll hdd no cdrom
[16:10] <leexgx> think bering will run on that not smoothwall
[16:11] <JabberBot> <nextgens> leexgx : try ipcop
[16:11] <leexgx> problem i am mostly getting is games lagging when p2p is running
[16:11] <leexgx> does not happen when the server is the router
[16:11] <leexgx> ipcop
[16:11] <leexgx> ?
[16:12] <leexgx> (the 486 only has ISA slots lol)
[16:13] <JabberBot> <nextgens> leexgx: http://ipcop.sourceforge.net/
[16:13] <JabberBot> <nextgens> leexgx: it run here on an x486
[16:13] <JabberBot> <nextgens> runs
[16:13] <toad_> brb, then will get to work
[16:14] <leexgx> runing may not be an problem getting ISA cards will
[16:14] <leexgx> i have none
[16:25] <toad_> leexgx: what sort of cards do you need?
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[16:35] <leexgx> ISA
[16:35] <leexgx> toad_
[16:35] <leexgx> i prefer them to be 100 based any way
[16:36] * leexgx needs to plug his writer back in
[16:36] <toad_> yeah I mean, what kind of ISA cards?
[16:36] <leexgx> network?
[16:37] <leexgx> cards
[16:38] <leexgx> i going to burn ipcop and smoothwall and see how each of them go
[16:38] * toad_ checks his collection... no, I don't have an ISA network card. I have an ISA general I/O card.. but that's not much use to anyone
[16:38] <toad_> burn?
[16:39] <leexgx> on in linux tost
[16:39] <leexgx> buin some ISO to disk
[16:39] <leexgx> burn
[16:40] <leexgx> any way i cant be doing 1 line per min
[16:40] <leexgx> as i got an other computer to fix
[16:40] <leexgx> this is some thing i want to play with
[16:46] <leexgx> ffs lost an hdd
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[16:47] <leexgx> and found 2xscsi hdds
[16:53] <leexgx> planty of pcs just not so for the hdds
[17:06] <sdogi> isn't it possible to implement ipcop to a running distribution? it seems like totally standalone distro
[17:06] <sdogi> it seems pretty nice thing though
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[17:06] * mazzanet dances around the mullberry bush
[17:06] <mazzanet> http://mazzanet.homelinux.net/storage/desktop.jpg
[17:06] <mazzanet> my tv guide script is complete
[17:28] <Redb3ard> what sort of script?
[17:32] <Ash-Fox> how primative
[17:32] <Ash-Fox> analog
[17:38] <Redb3ard> analog is not primitive, it is perfection
[17:39] <Redb3ard> oops, i slipped into audiophile-crazyman mode for a second there...
[17:40] <JabberBot> <nextgens> good night all
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[18:01] <|UK-Monster|> doadoa
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[18:01] <leexgx> thay find the network cards
[18:02] <leexgx> maybe i have to read the readme files :P
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[18:05] <leexgx> ok i get it now
[18:05] <leexgx> wundering what all this green and red was
[18:05] <leexgx> heh of i go agane
[18:14] <leexgx> fun
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[18:22] <MadKooky> can i insert xhtml 1.0 documents into freenet?
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[18:57] <toad_> mazzanet: nice backdrop
[18:57] <mazzanet> :)
[18:57] <mazzanet> a mate took that photo
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[18:57] <mazzanet> bbl work
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[19:05] <toad_> hmmm
[19:05] <toad_> is there any reason to expect the DVD writer I just ordered not to work on linux?
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[19:07] <kevloral> re
[19:08] * SaraMill installed FN 3 days ago; arrives here with a few questions
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[19:15] <plixed_> toad_: if you got the untampered version of cdrecord you will not be able to burn dvds with it
[19:15] <toad_> plixed_: I know
[19:15] <toad_> I have to use a special version of cdrecord to burn DVDs
[19:15] <toad_> but are there issues with specific drives?
[19:16] <toad_> bbl zzz
[19:16] <plixed_> some drives have issues with speeds >4x they misburn a lot
[19:16] <toad_> cdrecord-with-patch/dvdrecord can do burnfree
[19:17] <plixed_> no, bad firmware on the drives
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[19:17] <toad_> linux specific, or crappy drives?
[19:17] <plixed_> crappy drives
[19:17] <leexgx> woho
[19:17] <leexgx> working
[19:17] <toad_> the drive i have ordered is reported to have pretty good write quality, and reasonable speed
[19:17] <toad_> asus drw-1604P...
[19:18] <leexgx> got me router working
[19:18] <leexgx> smoothwall
[19:18] <toad_> cool
[19:18] <plixed_> up 4x nearly all drives are reliable, higher speed you should check reports on the drive
[19:18] <toad_> did you forward the port for freenet?
[19:18] <leexgx> not got that far yet
[19:18] <plixed_> up to
[19:18] <toad_> it does 4x on double layer media...
[19:18] <toad_> which is pretty cool..
[19:18] <plixed_> double layer is silly right now
[19:19] <toad_> it's actually a PITA shopping for such things.. reviews are really hard to find
[19:19] <plixed_> for the price of 7 media i get a whole burner
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[19:19] <toad_> cdrlabs.com is the ONLY place I've found so far
[19:19] <leexgx> does freenet use TCP as well as UDP
[19:19] <toad_> with many good reviews of writers
[19:19] <toad_> leexgx: freenet uses TCP only
[19:19] <toad_> it does not use UDP
[19:20] <leexgx> ok
[19:20] <plixed_> i got a report in german from heise
[19:20] <toad_> not at present
[19:20] <Redb3ard> udp and tcp are overrated
[19:20] <toad_> Redb3ard: hmm?
[19:20] <leexgx> yep ?
[19:20] <toad_> they (mostly) work, and they're universally supported
[19:20] <leexgx> what els then
[19:20] <Redb3ard> i mean, of 100 layer 4 protocols, you only hear about those too
[19:20] <toad_> and UDP is just a wrapper over IP really anyway
[19:21] <toad_> there are 100?!
[19:21] <toad_> why?
[19:21] <Redb3ard> or so, yeh
[19:21] <Redb3ard> look at /etc/protocols
[19:21] <toad_> I mean, most streaming apps will just be UDP
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[19:21] <toad_> I can see there is a need for better TCP-like protocols...
[19:22] <toad_> RDP is based on UDP, or is it a separate protocol number?
[19:22] <plixed_> tcp is moving target ;)
[19:22] <Redb3ard> dunno offhand
[19:22] <Redb3ard> hell, i bet i cant name more than 7 or 8 of them
[19:22] <Redb3ard> lots of layer 4 protocols just for the routing protocols
[19:22] <toad_> Redb3ard: more like 50
[19:22] <toad_> they just skip a lot of numbers
[19:22] <plixed_> there are countless additions to tcp in last years
[19:23] <toad_> plixed_: and many routers don't even implement IP correctly :<
[19:23] <toad_> (see the recent linux issues with window scaling)
[19:24] <toad_> anyway, bbl zzz
[19:24] <toad_> ttyl
[19:24] <toad_> maybe get some work done tomorrow ;)
[19:28] <leexgx> Connection refused
[19:28] <leexgx> it should say timed out
[19:28] <leexgx> fs
[19:36] <leexgx> turn up the heat
[19:36] <leexgx> settings emule to insane settings
[19:36] <leexgx> wunder if i can nock off my cable modem
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[19:40] <|UK-Monster|> :P
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[19:43] <leexgx> node is up
[19:43] <leexgx> working
[19:46] <leexgx> the firewall ant blocking UDP
[19:50] <plixed_> freenet uses tcp only at the moment
[19:52] <leexgx> but thats not the problem
[19:53] <leexgx> the problem is smoothwall ant blocking UDP
[19:57] <leexgx> not very secure any way and i am unable to set an dmz as i need an second network card lol
[19:57] <leexgx> 3rd network
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[19:58] <leexgx-Zzzz> nn
[20:20] <Redb3ard> iptables is about the only thing i trust
[20:21] <Redb3ard> i suppose if i ever powered up my 2514, i might trust cisco acls
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