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[7:02] <toad_> kers been around?
[7:15] <ShaunMacPherson> not as i've seen :)
[7:15] <ShaunMacPherson> i dont have time stamps but they were around... maybe 100 lines ago
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[8:33] -lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. Per the news page (http://freenode.net/news.shtml), our sponsors core router restart should be complete. We may do a bit of route tweaking mid-afternoon. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
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[9:12] <d-ArkAngel> [OT] woo hoo @ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/03/ntl_q3_04/
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[9:15] <ShaunMacPherson> that is sadly pathetic :(
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[9:28] <d-ArkAngel> in what way pathetic?
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[10:18] <ShaunMacPherson> Well, here in Canad i pay about 59.99 Canadian dollars for 4Mb/s download and about 0.750Mb download :>
[10:18] <ShaunMacPherson> unlimited
[10:18] <ShaunMacPherson> 0.750 upload
[10:32] <d-ArkAngel> well in sweden people pay less than what I pay for 10Mbit symetric. Access here has always sucked. but at least we're getting quite a big step up ;-)
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[11:33] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> toad, you there?
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[11:53] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> toad, you there?
[11:58] <toad_> hi newsbyte
[11:58] <toad_> hmmm no kers
[11:59] <d-ArkAngel> I've not seen him on today.
[12:00] <toad_> he was supposed to be meeting me today
[12:00] <toad_> irl
[12:01] <d-ArkAngel> it'll be the black helicopter types listened in to you arranging to be somewhere at a fix time and caught him :-)
[12:01] <toad_> he wasn't at the train station at the arranged time (which was a long time!); i missed him on irc yesterday. his cellphone number doesn't work.
[12:01] <toad_> and he hasn't emailed
[12:02] <toad_> we originally arranged to meet around 1PM
[12:02] <toad_> err
[12:02] <toad_> 13.00
[12:02] <toad_> yeah
[12:02] <toad_> that's right
[12:02] <d-ArkAngel> it's when people start denying any knowledge of him you need to start worrying :-)
[12:02] <toad_> 1PM is in the afternoon
[12:02] <d-ArkAngel> indeed.
[12:02] <toad_> i was there early, and then from 12:50 to ~ 14:30
[12:02] <toad_> he wasn't there
[12:03] <toad_> i put out a call for "christian kers", since i'd not brought his surname with me, stupidly
[12:03] <toad_> nothing
[12:03] <toad_> tried cellphone lots, sent lots of txts
[12:03] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> so, toad, what did you think of my i2p post on tech? :-)
[12:03] <d-ArkAngel> what train was he supposed to be on?
[12:03] <Redb3ard> heh
[12:03] <Redb3ard> i suppose i oughtta delete some of these from the wiki
[12:04] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: he never explicitly confirmed that, that's why my missing him yesterday suggests maybe he didn't come
[12:04] <Redb3ard> that is, unless i can actually find someone to translate it to cherokee
[12:04] <toad_> Redb3ard: eh?
[12:04] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> meet? meet whome?
[12:04] <d-ArkAngel> plenty of delayed trains as usual...
[12:04] <d-ArkAngel> http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/realtime/fs_realtime.htm
[12:04] <toad_> should i go back to the train station?
[12:05] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> yes, hurry!
[12:05] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> ;-)
[12:06] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> I dunno. Couldn't you just make it clear where/when? Give a tel number, etc?
[12:06] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> btw, are we talking about a date or a devl, toad? ;-)
[12:06] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> or is that the same? lol
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[12:09] <toad_> LOL
[12:10] <toad_> it'll take an hour to get there
[12:10] <toad_> and i've heard zip from him
[12:10] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> ok, that'll be an hour less payement for you!
[12:12] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> don't worry toad, if I will ever meet you, you'll know where and what. And you can come and get me, but leave the crosses behind. ;-) Maybe when I see what sort of coder is on freenet, I'll give 2 puters for free!
[12:12] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> (instead of the 10 envisaged ;-)
[12:14] * toad_ makes mental note to bring extra sharp 14kg depleted uranium cross to hit newsbyte with, after taking delivery
[12:14] <toad_> ;)
[12:15] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> go to Iraq; you'll find it in abundance on the streets there, right next to where the kids are playing
[12:23] <Redb3ard> bah
[12:24] <Redb3ard> 14 kilos of depleted uranium isnt nearly enough
[12:24] <Redb3ard> even with centrifugal refinement equipment as advanced as mine, there will never be enough
[12:26] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> well, he still have to carry the cross, after all
[12:28] <toad_> Redb3ard: if it's depleted, you can't detonate it
[12:29] <Redb3ard> bah
[12:29] <Redb3ard> you can reprocess it
[12:29] <Redb3ard> but its mostly 238 anyway
[12:29] <toad_> you can blow up reactor grade stuff
[12:29] <toad_> reprocessing DU is futile, otherwise they'd do it already; DU is a waste-product
[12:29] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> not very likely
[12:30] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> anyway, we disgress. I gather Ian wasn't to happy about my freenet/i2p proposal?
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[12:30] <toad_> newsbyte: i don't see any new messages from you in that thread
[12:30] * toad_ has decided not to go back to railway station
[12:30] <Redb3ard> its still what, 20% U and the rest lead?
[12:30] <toad_> Redb3ard: nah, DU is all U
[12:30] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> ofcourse not, and that alone is already a sign!
[12:30] <Redb3ard> with less than 1% of it 235, the rest of the U being 238
[12:30] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> no new messages in ages!
[12:31] <toad_> isn't it?
[12:31] <Redb3ard> thought they mixed it
[12:31] <Redb3ard> the U itself isnt such a good metal for rounds, i though
[12:31] <Redb3ard> thought
[12:31] <toad_> U235 is so low in DU that it's not economically viable to recover it
[12:31] <toad_> Redb3ard: hmm, maybe you're right
[12:31] <toad_> but if it's only 20% U, why is it so dense?
[12:32] <Redb3ard> you need 235 at least 15% to recover any at all
[12:32] <toad_> the next-best is titanium or something...
[12:32] <Redb3ard> toad, maybe i have it wrong
[12:32] <Redb3ard> but its still quite a bit of lead in it
[12:33] <Redb3ard> plus, since its an alloy, there is a metallurgical effect, i suppose
[12:33] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> toad is right; you can't upgrade depleted uranium; it's a waste product. the amount that is still usefull is extremely small; you'd do better with riversand, even.
[12:33] <Redb3ard> newsbyte, i know
[12:33] <Redb3ard> i was being silly
[12:35] <toad_> what's riversand?
[12:36] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> that's a question like: why doesn't freenet work? ;-p
[12:37] <toad_> okay
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[12:37] * toad_ thinks he needs to have his zaurus working, and some sort of cellphone data link for it
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[12:48] * d-ArkAngel wishes the zaurus had BT/802.11 built in.
[12:48] <toad_> agreed
[12:48] <Redb3ard> wish i had a zaurus
[12:48] <toad_> :)
[12:48] <Redb3ard> hey
[12:48] <Redb3ard> do they make BT access points, ala 802.11 access points?
[12:48] <d-ArkAngel> possibly.
[12:48] <toad_> it has one SD port and one CF.. but it can only take peripherals on CF. since I bought a CF solid-state-disk, that means I'd have to buy an SD flash AS WELL AS an adapter
[12:49] <toad_> Redb3ard: hmm?
[12:49] <toad_> there are a number of public hotspots around...
[12:49] <toad_> failing that, connectors for mobile phones are feasible
[12:49] <d-ArkAngel> yeah I know that anoyance too :-)
[12:49] <Redb3ard> i mean something i could plug into my network
[12:49] <d-ArkAngel> I've been tempted to try and get hold of the 6000 or 6500 from the US....
[12:49] <toad_> but I'm not sure what i'd need to connect my zaurus to my cellphone
[12:50] <d-ArkAngel> well it's got an IR port....
[12:50] <d-ArkAngel> has your phone?
[12:50] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: it has?
[12:50] <d-ArkAngel> yeah on the left side just above the SD slot I think...
[12:51] <d-ArkAngel> (from memory, I don't have it with me at this moment...)
[12:51] <toad_> aha
[12:51] <toad_> that might be it
[12:51] <toad_> is that supported under OZ?
[12:51] <toad_> my phone doesn't have a VISIBLE IR port...
[12:51] <d-ArkAngel> here's the deal. "yes - but not all phones have open protocols, so not all phones are supported"
[12:52] <d-ArkAngel> what phone is it?
[12:52] <toad_> old nokia thingy with a qwerty keyboard and integrated (but probably has like half a meg of ram) mp3 player
[12:52] <toad_> was supposed to have email but they changed all that and i never got that working
[12:53] <toad_> what exactly would i need to buy to get what i want (ssh from anywhere) ?
[12:54] <toad_> - 256M (or more) SD card
[12:54] <toad_> - new cellphone with open IR protocol, or wire connector.. if the latter, need a CF to serial adapter, right?
[12:54] <toad_> - 802.11 CF card for cheap fast access in hotspots
[12:54] <toad_> right?
[12:55] <d-ArkAngel> well BT might be better.... but only if you can find a guide to getting it working with OZ first.
[12:55] <toad_> of course the adapter ALSO has to be supported.. :)
[12:55] <toad_> uh, BT?
[12:56] <Redb3ard> heh
[12:56] <d-ArkAngel> http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=Bluetooth
[12:56] <Redb3ard> not even an pci bluetooth card?
[12:56] <d-ArkAngel> google always has the answer
[12:56] <Redb3ard> a serial-bluetooth adapter
[12:56] * toad_ would prefer something wired so it can't be hijacked by any annoying person within range...
[12:57] <Redb3ard> im using all 10 serial ports on the server though
[12:57] <Redb3ard> heck, need a second card anyway though
[12:57] <d-ArkAngel> supports pin parining and encryption. shouldn't be a problem
[12:57] <toad_> also iirc, Bluetooth's encryption is a serious problem
[12:57] <toad_> was broken some time ago
[12:58] <toad_> is it going to be a lot harder to get a wired setup to work?
[12:58] <d-ArkAngel> no idea...
[12:58] * d-ArkAngel turns to google
[12:59] <d-ArkAngel> http://www.serialio.com/products/adaptors/ZThinCable.htm
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[13:01] * toad_ trying to load that url
[13:01] <toad_> firefox has been acting strangely lately
[13:02] <d-ArkAngel> http://www.socketcom.com/ZaurusSharp.asp
[13:02] <d-ArkAngel> have you updated from PR1 to RC1 yet?
[13:03] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: my OZ is fubarred; but I'm not going to mess with the software until I get an SD anyway
[13:03] <toad_> since anything I connect will need to use the CF
[13:03] <d-ArkAngel> anyway, I've gotta head home. should be back online in an hour or so, depending what I decide to have to eat when I get in.
[13:04] <toad_> hmmm
[13:04] <toad_> that's an RS-6000
[13:04] <toad_> mine is an RS-5500
[13:05] <toad_> do cellphones usually provide data in the form of a serial connector now?
[13:05] <toad_> in addition to IR/bluetooth?
[13:05] <d-ArkAngel> they're close to being the same thing...
[13:05] <d-ArkAngel> not 100% sure tho
[13:05] <d-ArkAngel> yeah they still have the conenctors so they work with hands free stuff I think....
[13:05] <d-ArkAngel> http://www.socketcom.com/product/dpc.asp?Manufacturer=Nokia
[13:05] <d-ArkAngel> CF -> phone connections..
[13:06] <d-ArkAngel> catch you later.
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[13:56] <KenMan> here is a strange picture... http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/FreeNet/1000x20x8x50dc.png
[13:57] <KenMan> it just seems funny that things suddenly change at 70M requests
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[14:06] <KenMan> also, the number of new connections being established makes a corresponding drop at that point
[14:09] <KenMan> somehow the system became more efficient. Success stayed about the same, but the average HTL and total load dropped.
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[14:28] <kevloral> g'afternoon all
[15:21] <Redb3ard> hey guys
[15:21] <Redb3ard> is it ash-fox thats from poland?
[15:22] <Ash-Fox> Perhaps
[15:22] <Redb3ard> hi ash
[15:22] <Redb3ard> could i ask you to glance at something, see if it makes sense?
[15:23] <Ash-Fox> yes
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[16:04] <michaelkuijn> Aaah! Kerry lost!
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[16:10] <nextgens> Redb3ard, : ping
[16:13] <nextgens> Redb3ard, : if you're still interrested in PKI (Public Keys Infrastructure), have a look at http://www.idxpki.org/
[16:14] <nextgens> Redb3ard, : it works pretty well but do not attempt to run it on a non RedHat system :-(
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[16:15] <nextgens> Redb3ard, : or idx-pki.idealx.org/index.en.html in english :-)
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[16:26] <Redb3ard> thank you nextgens
[16:26] <Redb3ard> im still interested
[16:31] <nextgens> Redb3ard, : do you understand french?
[16:32] <Redb3ard> very little
[16:32] <Redb3ard> je ne parle pas francais, mais une peu
[16:34] * nextgens looking for an interresting (french) article about Free Software PKIs
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[16:38] <nextgens> Redb3ard, : try this old news : http://linuxfr.org/2002/09/08/9543.html
[16:40] <nextgens> Redb3ard, : there is also NewPki : http://www.newpki.org/ but it's still a beta I guess
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[16:53] <Redb3ard> betas arent so bad
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[17:08] <toad_> Redb3ard: yeah, freenet isn't even a beta
[17:08] <Redb3ard> gammas arent so bad either
[17:09] <toad_> epsilon minus semimorons?
[17:09] <Redb3ard> its that damn delta-level software you should avoid
[17:09] <Redb3ard> hmm
[17:09] <Redb3ard> im trying to figure out what windows is
[17:09] <Redb3ard> whats the last letter of the greek alphabet again?
[17:09] <toad_> omega
[17:10] <Redb3ard> yeh
[17:10] <Redb3ard> we need about 3 letters past that
[17:10] <toad_> heh
[17:10] <toad_> windows works better than some Free Software
[17:11] <Redb3ard> i know its a tired joke
[17:11] <Redb3ard> but its also so damn true
[17:12] <toad_> a lot of stuff isn't that good - Debian's samba package is very very very very annoying (constant segfaults, arguably a security issue), and hasn't been fixed in months and months
[17:12] <toad_> of course samba itself is rather good
[17:12] <Redb3ard> heh
[17:12] <Redb3ard> slackware
[17:12] <Redb3ard> screw debian
[17:12] <toad_> there are other annoyances
[17:12] <Redb3ard> ;) no offense
[17:13] <toad_> there are always another 10,000,000,000 bugs in any sufficiently complex piece of software
[17:13] <Redb3ard> that may be true
[17:13] <Redb3ard> but if that software comes out of redmond, you see the number triple automatically
[17:17] <toad_> you've never played The Sims ;)
[17:17] <toad_> well technically neither have I, but I have friends who do
[17:20] <KenMan> how is life toad ? are you enjoying it ?
[17:20] <toad_> KenMan: kers didn't show up
[17:20] <toad_> or something
[17:20] <toad_> some mess
[17:20] <toad_> we were going to meet up and talk about freenet
[17:20] <toad_> I missed him yesterday on IRC
[17:20] <toad_> so I went to the station as arranged
[17:20] <toad_> and he wasn't there
[17:21] <toad_> and the phone number he gave didn't work
[17:21] <toad_> and so on...
[17:21] <KenMan> Clearly and Plainly there is a conspiracy afoot. I mean, everyone knows that GWBush only benefits the top 1% of society, and anally screws the rest. I mean COME ON. How could he logically get more than 1% of the vote ?
[17:21] <toad_> heh
[17:22] <toad_> well, one reason is that a lot of the voters think they are rich, or aspire to be rich, and therefore are put off by talk of reverting the tax breaks for the excessively rich
[17:22] <toad_> [very very off topic!!]
[17:23] <KenMan> kers was around last night, he didn't say much. He asked if 2% success was about right for his node.
[17:23] <d-ArkAngel> when have you known logic... or even facts for that matter effect political change?
[17:23] <toad_> well if he'd decided to cancel he should have mailed me
[17:24] <toad_> it's quite possible he was on his way but his phone failed and he was delayed or something... i only stayed from 12:50 to 14:30...
[17:24] <d-ArkAngel> maybe he's still waiting at the train station....
[17:24] <KenMan> he he
[17:24] <toad_> so when we do hear from each other we'll probably kill each other... :)
[17:25] <KenMan> he lives in Falun
[17:25] <toad_> so i'm trying to resurrect my zaurus in order to get some sort of secure on-the-move internet access sorted out
[17:25] <toad_> KenMan: he's in london this week
[17:26] <toad_> KenMan: where is falun?
[17:26] <KenMan> sweden
[17:26] <toad_> :|
[17:27] <toad_> I don't know what I ought to have done
[17:27] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[17:27] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[17:27] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[17:27] <toad_> maybe I should have stayed all day at the train station?
[17:27] <KenMan> well, if i went to a rail station for several hours, without any notice from someone, i'd be breathing hot
[17:27] <toad_> of course I couldn't get through to my email either and I forgot to take his full name with me
[17:28] <toad_> err
[17:28] <toad_> I couldn't get through once I was out
[17:28] <KenMan> you will make sure to confirm details next time, ?
[17:29] <toad_> I had his name
[17:29] <toad_> I had a photo with me, but I forgot to write down his surname
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[17:29] <toad_> so I ended up asking them to put out a call for "christian kers"... since those were the names i knew :|
[17:29] <KenMan> if he is swedish, you could go with something like Norvyggben
[17:30] <KenMan> the rail announcer wouldn't get it right anyway, that's my point
[17:31] <KenMan> oh, i thought you meant kers the christian :)
[17:32] <toad_> Christian Bolstad
[17:32] <toad_> aka kers
[17:33] <toad_> can anyone get the diebold files btw?
[17:33] <KenMan> well, he was probably at a different station, getting mad at you for not showing
[17:33] <toad_> quite possibly
[17:33] <KenMan> I voted on a diebold touchscreen yesterday. It was a very nice and easy machine.
[17:33] <toad_> scary
[17:34] <KenMan> Maybe that is how bush stole the election. Or perhaps it was that he got more people to vote for him. How devious.
[17:34] <toad_> so what assurance exactly do we have that the diebold machines work and can't easily be tampered with?
[17:34] <toad_> heh
[17:34] <KenMan> the quick and meaningless assurance of a few highly paid executives. Isn't that enough for you ?
[17:35] * toad_ was looking forward to the people involved in the fiasco about over-exclusion of people with names the same as those of felons being publicly lynched...
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[17:36] <KenMan> Look, they don't get paid all this money for building bad voting systems. They MUST be on the up and up. Plainly.
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[17:37] <toad_> yeah, just as C. Montgomery Burns is the best person to deliver the $1T bill to europe, being the richest and therefore most trustworthy citizen of america...
[17:37] <KenMan> the thing that is scary is that Diebold is the top supplier of these machines, and they were widespread.
[17:38] <KenMan> so far as i know, even with all the brouhaha, only one state decided not to use Diebold as a matter of principle
[17:38] <toad_> well, if it were to happen, sooner or later somebody would find out...
[17:39] <toad_> do the modern diebold machines create a paper trail?
[17:39] <KenMan> naw - i had a 'smart card' to insert into the touch screen, then i turned it over to someone.
[17:39] <toad_> what's the card for? to prove that you're a voter?
[17:40] <KenMan> well, actually, Diebold made a model with a printer. To satisfy those who want paper trails. Unfortunately, they already sold so many paperless models, not many customers left to buy printers...
[17:40] <toad_> ooh, quite a lot of blocks xferring on some of these files...
[17:40] <toad_> maybe it WILL get them
[17:40] <KenMan> the card was an unknown quantity. I think they recycle them. I think I carried my vote on the card to a collections person.
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[17:41] <toad_> of course any system with a paper trail has no serious problems ;)
[17:41] * toad_ is amazed democracy works as well as it does, frankly
[17:42] <KenMan> I wish I had paid more attention now that i think about it. The card may have been programmed just for me.
[17:42] <KenMan> I can't remember if they fetched it out of an index box. No, I think they just looked up a card that was for me.
[17:42] <KenMan> (paper card)
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[17:43] <KenMan> and one of the attendants found a recycled smart card for me to plug into the touchscreen. Everyone took their card to the collections person once done. She was reading them, but I didn't pay much attention at that point.
[17:43] <kevloral> re
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[17:46] <toad_> okay, so there is a facility for a recount then
[17:46] <toad_> although you can of course modify the smartcards
[17:46] <toad_> but you can do the same thing with paper ballots
[17:50] <KenMan> I'm not sure. I was in and out in about 5 minutes.
[17:51] <KenMan> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/FreeNet/1000x20x8x50dc.png
[17:51] <toad_> this is with the crazy-stupid-newbie-code?
[17:52] <toad_> htl is actually falling? woah
[17:52] <KenMan> I don't know. No announcements, 'nonewbie' option, only allow new conns when at least half are experienced
[17:52] <KenMan> the connection count is the blue-green line in the middle.
[17:53] <KenMan> it is smoothed, but you see it goes down...
[17:53] <toad_> odd...
[17:53] <KenMan> after 80 million unique requests
[17:53] <KenMan> yes, it is kind of freaky trying to interpret this
[17:54] <KenMan> the only reason the new connection count dips down at the end is because of the smoothing fn, it doesn't really do that.
[17:56] <KenMan> (i mean, out past 1.8e+08)
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[18:13] <KenMan> ah hah - left to run on its own, at around 70M requests, the concentration of traffic became more focused on fewer nodes. So some 'hot paths' were being formed.
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[18:14] <KenMan> the standard deviation of load per node shot up right around then...
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[18:43] <KenMan> updated - http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/FreeNet/1000x20x8x50dc.png
[18:43] <KenMan> i don't think it is going to change much beyond this state, what do you think toad_ ?
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[19:19] <toad_> hi
[19:19] <d-ArkAngel> who you hi-ing at?
[19:23] <toad_> everyone
[19:23] <d-ArkAngel> ok then. :-)
[19:23] <d-ArkAngel> hi
[19:23] <toad_> 23% of sloprimary030502.zip...
[19:24] <toad_> received 25 blocks, zero transferring
[19:24] <toad_> the rest are DNFing :|
[19:24] <toad_> nil on gemsis
[19:25] <d-ArkAngel> you seen my posts on dev? in response to the newbie things?
[19:25] <Fluten> can i increase my store size without it erasing everything in it?
[19:25] <Fluten> or does it not start over when the size is changed?
[19:26] <toad_> Fluten: yes, you can increase it without erasing anything in it
[19:26] <toad_> in theory anyway
[19:26] <toad_> in practice there may be a few bugs but mostly it works fine
[19:28] <toad_> why is it so fscking sloooow to read these flash disks?
[19:28] <toad_> i suppose it's probably limited to USB 1.1... that would roughly correspond to the observed ~ 1MB/sec...
[19:29] <d-ArkAngel> you can pick up an IDE one cheap enough these days...
[19:30] <toad_> IDE what?
[19:30] <toad_> IDE flash reader?
[19:31] <plixed_> toad_: a flash with an ide connector, used to boot/create cheap network attaced storages
[19:31] <toad_> hmm
[19:31] <d-ArkAngel> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=16#p2602
[19:31] <toad_> i thought all the SSD stuff was really expensive
[19:31] <toad_> i mean the serious SSD stuff
[19:31] <toad_> I suppose a lot of it isn't serious
[19:32] <plixed_> solid state disks are only expansive when they are big
[19:32] <d-ArkAngel> well CF cards are up to 8Gb these days (last I heard)
[19:32] <plixed_> expensive
[19:33] <d-ArkAngel> true, I've got a linux firewall that has a 512Mb CF cards as the only HDD in the system
[19:33] <toad_> 1GB CF cards on DABS are cheap
[19:33] <plixed_> you don't a real big flash to boot a crammed debian ;)
[19:33] <toad_> dabs.com, dabsvalue, ~ the price of the 512M kingston one for a 1GB one
[19:33] <toad_> less in fact
[19:34] * toad_ considering getting one (SD not CF though)
[19:34] <toad_> for my zaurus
[19:35] <toad_> which i plan to use to ssh into amphibian.dyndns.org when outside
[19:38] <toad_> anyway, thanks for showing me what the modern (but expensive) alternative to burning an EPROM is
[19:38] <toad_> not expensive for the size, of course
[19:39] <d-ArkAngel> you can probably get them cheaper else where
[19:39] <d-ArkAngel> that's just somewhere I knew sold them :-)
[19:42] * toad_ wonders what happened to flibbles's multigigabyte diebold secret filez...
[19:43] * toad_ wonders if somebody just encrypted a load of /dev/urandom :)
[19:44] <d-ArkAngel> surely it's already encrypted? :-)
[19:44] <toad_> well then zipped it and made it look like an encrypted zip
[19:46] <d-ArkAngel> just name it credit_cards.doc.enc :-)
[19:47] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: now, what was that mail you wanted me to look at?
[19:47] * toad_ looks...
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[20:13] <toad_> curious... http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/11/02/spyware.purveyors.ap/index.html
[20:13] <jepel_tailweaver> hey toad_
[20:14] <toad_> yay, it's flashing...
[20:15] <toad_> hi jepel_tailweaver
[20:15] <toad_> got a node?
[20:16] <jepel_tailweaver> yes
[20:16] <jepel_tailweaver> as of a few days ago
[20:16] <jepel_tailweaver> I'm using Frost and really liking it
[20:17] <toad_> gobolinux looks curious
[20:17] <toad_> jepel_tailweaver: no problems posting messages?
[20:17] <jepel_tailweaver> toad_, not at all
[20:18] <jepel_tailweaver> it's been smooth and seamless
[20:18] <jepel_tailweaver> Frost has been the best experience I've ever had with Freenet
[20:18] <toad_> have you managed to download anything? anything substantial? please don't tell me about illegal content, i get paid for this...
[20:18] <toad_> cool
[20:18] <jepel_tailweaver> not really
[20:18] <jepel_tailweaver> I'm just fooling about atm
[20:19] <toad_> how long does it typically take to post a message?
[20:19] <toad_> i mean for it to show up?
[20:19] <kevloral> jepel_tailweaver: nice to hear that. :-)
[20:20] <jepel_tailweaver> umm
[20:20] <jepel_tailweaver> I don't know
[20:20] <jepel_tailweaver> I just post, then some time later I check the board
[20:20] <jepel_tailweaver> but the troubles with Frost I've heard about, I haven't had
[20:20] <jepel_tailweaver> is it thought of as buggy?
[20:21] <kevloral> jepel_tailweaver: yes, it is. You should see the code.
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[20:25] <toad_> jepel_tailweaver: what troubles have you heard about?
[20:27] <toad_> yay, looks like it worked...
[20:27] <toad_> my zaurus boots... didn't know it has no FPU... but of course..
[20:27] <toad_> "NetWinder floating point emulator version XYZ"
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