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[6:43] <kevloral> g'morning all
[6:44] <DebolazIT> Moin.
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[8:40] <toad_> hmmm
[8:40] * toad_ restarting stable node after it was down for a long time
[8:40] <toad_> no connections yet
[8:40] <toad_> 4 lots of:
[8:40] <toad_> waited more than 120000ms in NIOIS.read() tcp/connection:...
[8:41] <toad_> yay, got one connection...
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[8:50] <toad_> Number of known routing nodes 399
[8:50] <toad_> Number of node references 396
[8:50] <toad_> Number of newbie nodes 1
[8:50] <toad_> Number of uncontactable nodes 3
[8:50] <toad_> Contacted and attempted to contact node references 275
[8:50] <toad_> Contacted node references 3
[8:50] <toad_> Contacted newbie node references 1
[8:50] <toad_> Connections with Successful Transfers 2
[8:50] <toad_> Backed off nodes 1
[8:50] <toad_> Connection Attempts 275
[8:50] <toad_> Successful Connections 3
[8:50] <toad_> hmmm
[8:50] <toad_> now 5
[8:52] <d-ArkAngel> so what was the problem with the sim code?
[8:55] <toad_> hmm?
[8:57] <d-ArkAngel> well you've fix the serialization right? so what was it missing?
[8:58] <toad_> ah
[8:58] <toad_> the KeyspaceEstimatorFactory was initted too early
[8:58] <toad_> so it ended up using slow estimators
[9:03] <d-ArkAngel> ahhh
[9:05] <toad_> hmmm
[9:05] <toad_> www.scabserver.com port 1234 no longer available
[9:05] <d-ArkAngel> toad, how plausable would inserting 40Gb of files at 300Mb each into freenet be?
[9:05] <toad_> victor denisov's node no longer available
[9:05] <d-ArkAngel> 1234 isn't up?
[9:05] <toad_> sspaetz has both ports pointing to the same PC, although it's a nice one...
[9:05] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: yup
[9:05] <d-ArkAngel> moment, let me see if the port forward has failed.
[9:05] <toad_> and I've lost brat's PC too...
[9:06] <toad_> so i only have erica and hal...
[9:06] <toad_> and servalan - but i'm trying to keep sims off servalan
[9:07] <d-ArkAngel> hmmm, I can't access that machine from the inside of the network either, I wonder why it's not up...
[9:07] <toad_> and my restarted stable node has 6 connections after 30 minutes uptime...
[9:09] <d-ArkAngel> I've used my patent pending remote system reboot method
[9:09] <d-ArkAngel> the hard-core.scabserver.com should be up in about 30 min or so
[9:09] <d-ArkAngel> sorry, www.scabserver.com:1234
[9:10] <d-ArkAngel> (damn single external IP addresses
[9:10] <toad_> while true; do sleep 5; ssh -p 1234 toad@www.scabserver.com && break; done
[9:11] <d-ArkAngel> I phoned my GF who's got a day off and sent her arround to my parents house where the box currently resides to give it a good kicking
[9:11] <toad_> :)
[9:11] <toad_> okay, so there are no sims running at present on any box
[9:12] <d-ArkAngel> so once the sims are all cooking again what's the next step code wise?
[9:13] <d-ArkAngel> the update to the peers/estimators things?
[9:13] <toad_> the next step is to try to figure out why the stable network is so fscked up as far as inserts are concerned
[9:13] <toad_> and fix it
[9:13] <toad_> before the natives all die
[9:13] <toad_> or lose interest
[9:13] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[9:14] <toad_> okay, lets run 200x25 on erica
[9:14] <d-ArkAngel> "rumors of freenet's death have been greatly exaggerated" tm
[9:15] <d-ArkAngel> if you want to keep an eye out for the server starting up, I've asked her to uncover the webcam at www.scabserver.com/webcam.php that's in the same room
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[9:20] <toad_> =100-fetchfrac=0.025-pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing-movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200\2004-10-22-13-18-01 file simsave\nonfullyconnected\nfcnodes=200\nfcrt=25\htl=15\storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025-pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing-movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-n
[9:20] <toad_> 22-Oct-2004 13:18:49 (freenet.node.simulator.Main, main, ERROR): Caught java.io.FileNotFoundException: simsave\nonfullyconnected\nfcnodes=200\nfcrt=25\htl=15\storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025-pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing-movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200\2004-10-22-13-18-01\2004-10-22-13-18-49 (The system cannot find the path specified) try
[9:20] <toad_> java.io.FileNotFoundException: simsave\nonfullyconnected\nfcnodes=200\nfcrt=25\htl=15\storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025-pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing-movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200\2004-10-22-13-18-01\2004-10-22-13-18-49 (The system cannot find the path specified)
[9:20] <toad_> at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method)
[9:20] <toad_> at java.io.FileOutputStream.<init>(Unknown Source)
[9:20] <toad_> at java.io.FileOutputStream.<init>(Unknown Source)
[9:20] <toad_> at freenet.node.simulator.Main.writeToDisk(Main.java:556)
[9:20] <toad_> hmmm
[9:20] <toad_> interesting...
[9:20] <d-ArkAngel> file name too long again?
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[9:22] <toad_> no, win32 uses \ not /
[9:22] <d-ArkAngel> ahhhh
[9:22] <toad_> probably something to do with that
[9:22] <d-ArkAngel> do those dir's already exist?
[9:23] <toad_> yay, i'm in to hard-core!
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[9:23] <toad_> hmmm
[9:24] <toad_> you'd better put my home on a loopback partition or something
[9:24] <toad_> otherwise i'll probably overflow your disk space with simsave files
[9:24] <toad_> hmmm
[9:24] <toad_> are there commands under win2k to kill running processes?
[9:25] <d-ArkAngel> server is up
[9:27] <toad_> 22-Oct-2004 13:26:29 (freenet.node.simulator.Main, main, ERROR): Caught java.io.FileNotFoundException: simsave\nonfullyconnected;nfcnodes=200;nfcrt=25;htl=15;storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025-pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing-movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200;2004-10-22-13-25-41;2004-10-22-13-26-29 (The system cannot find the path specified) try
[9:27] <toad_> progress to disk
[9:27] <toad_> what on earth?
[9:27] <toad_> semicolons?!
[9:30] <toad_> Writing to dir: simsave\nonfullyconnected\nfcnodes=200\nfcrt=25\htl=15\storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025-pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing-movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200\2004-10-22-13-29-07 file simsave\nonfullyconnected\nfcnodes=200\nfcrt=25\htl=15\storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025-pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probe
[9:30] <toad_> Could not create dir and does not exist: simsave\nonfullyconnected\nfcnodes=200\nfcrt=25\htl=15\storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025-pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing-movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200\2004-10-22-13-29-07
[9:30] <toad_> eh?
[9:31] <d-ArkAngel> I don't think windows can create sturctures in one step
[9:31] <toad_> neither can unix without help
[9:31] <toad_> doesn't matter
[9:31] <d-ArkAngel> oh
[9:31] <toad_> i think it may be a 126 char limit instead of linux's 255 though...
[9:31] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[9:31] <toad_> the middle segment is 188 chars...
[9:32] <d-ArkAngel> could you not just call them sim-run-<timestamp>.txt and have the data be the first line of the file?
[9:32] <toad_> that sucks
[9:37] <d-ArkAngel> toad_: did you see I said the server was up (scabserver1234)
[9:38] <toad_> yes
[9:38] <d-ArkAngel> k, just checking
[9:38] <toad_> <d-ArkAngel> do those dir's already exist?
[9:38] <toad_> <toad_> yay, i'm in to hard-core!
[9:38] <d-ArkAngel> I can't make the webcam turn left & right, which is mostly annoying
[9:39] <d-ArkAngel> sorry I missed that. (bloody work distracting me from my IRC chatting :-) )
[9:41] <toad_> ;)
[9:47] <toad_> ls: simsave/nonfullyconnected/nfcnodes=200/nfcrt=25/htl=15/storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025/pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing/movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200: File name too long
[9:47] <toad_> argh
[9:47] <toad_> win32 has an overall path length limit
[9:48] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[9:48] <toad_> no worse... cygwin has an overall path length limit!
[9:48] <toad_> indepenedantly of win32!
[9:48] <toad_> since win32 let me create the dir
[9:48] <toad_> and now cygwin can't access it!
[9:48] <d-ArkAngel> can you cd into that dir using the full name?
[9:49] <d-ArkAngel> or do you have to go level by level?
[9:49] <d-ArkAngel> just a thought
[9:49] <toad_> i know what I CAN do actually
[9:49] <toad_> hmm no i can't
[9:50] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[9:50] <toad_> because it runs into this problem on creating the files as well
[9:50] <toad_> so there is a hard win32 limit, which java is running into
[9:50] <toad_> as well as the slightly shorter cygwin limit
[9:50] <toad_> grrrr
[9:50] <d-ArkAngel> gotta love limits.
[9:51] <toad_> hmmm
[9:51] <toad_> this is peculiar
[9:51] <toad_> it lets me create the dir
[9:51] <toad_> the dir exists
[9:52] <toad_> then it says:
[9:52] <toad_> java.io.FileNotFoundException: simsave\nonfullyconnected\nfcnodes=200\nfcrt=25\htl=15\storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025\pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing\movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200\2004-10-22-13-44-21\2004-10-22-13-45-08 (The system cannot find the path specified)
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[9:52] <toad_> ah, i see
[9:52] <toad_> hmmm, maybe not...
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[9:54] <toad_> Directory of E:\cygwin\home\Administrator\simsave\nonfullyconnected\nfcnodes=200\nfcrt=25\htl=15\storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025\pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing
[9:54] <toad_> 22/10/2004 13:45 <DIR> .
[9:54] <toad_> 22/10/2004 13:45 <DIR> ..
[9:54] <toad_> 22/10/2004 13:45 <DIR> movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200
[9:54] <toad_> 0 File(s) 0 bytes
[9:54] <toad_> 3 Dir(s) 14,255,476,736 bytes free
[9:54] <toad_> E:\cygwin\home\Administrator\simsave\nonfullyconnected\nfcnodes=200\nfcrt=25\htl=15\storesize=100-fetchfrac=0.025\pcaching-probref-longestimators-fastestimators-altannounce-probeinexperience-randomizewhenequal-estimatorpassing>cd movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200
[9:54] <toad_> cd movementfactor=0.05-buckets=8-newbiehits=200
[9:54] <toad_> The system cannot find the path specified.
[9:55] <d-ArkAngel> probably because the commandline would be too damn long :-)
[9:55] <toad_> not the command line, the pwd
[9:56] <toad_> it lets us create really long filenames
[9:56] <toad_> but it doesn't let us cd into them
[9:56] <toad_> or put files in them
[9:56] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[9:56] <toad_> hmm, no deltree...
[9:57] <d-ArkAngel> can't you use the windows gui? or does that error when you try and delete it or something else silly like that
[9:57] <toad_> haven't tried yet
[9:57] <toad_> it's in use...
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[9:58] <toad_> the problem with your suggestion is that these are data files
[9:58] <toad_> they do indeed include the options close to the beginning...
[9:58] <toad_> but there's no easy way to read them
[10:02] <d-ArkAngel> surely a simple java script could be written?
[10:02] <toad_> hmm?
[10:02] <d-ArkAngel> or even just a shell script, depending on here in the file the info is.
[10:02] <toad_> sure, you can just run strings on it
[10:02] <toad_> or try to load it :)
[10:03] <toad_> but either way it's very annoying
[10:03] <d-ArkAngel> head?
[10:03] <toad_> no
[10:04] <toad_> if(File.separatorChar == '\\')
[10:04] <toad_> return "sillyWindowsPathLimits";
[10:05] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[10:05] <toad_> and just include the time... and hope it doesn't get started twice in the same time period
[10:05] <toad_> i.e. second
[10:05] <d-ArkAngel> I doubt the sim will ever be that fast....
[10:05] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[10:06] <toad_> now, verify that this works
[10:06] <toad_> then stop simulation
[10:06] <toad_> and change the serialization to once every 5 minutes
[10:07] <toad_> Writing to dir: simsave\sillyWindowsPathLimits\2004-10-22-14-06-17 file simsave\sillyWindowsPathLimits\2004-10-22-14-06-17\2004-10-22-14-07-05
[10:07] <toad_> Write took 2812ms
[10:07] <toad_> Written to simsave\sillyWindowsPathLimits\2004-10-22-14-06-17\2004-10-22-14-07-05
[10:09] <d-ArkAngel> what are the two datestamps? the time the sim started, and the time of this dump?
[10:09] <toad_> yep
[10:09] <d-ArkAngel> and how big is a dump?
[10:09] <toad_> it's a little more complex if it's restarted
[10:10] <toad_> depends how many nodes
[10:10] <toad_> that one was 2MB
[10:10] <toad_> but it was only 200 nodes
[10:10] <toad_> they're compressed
[10:10] <d-ArkAngel> so 400x50 we can guess about what, 5mb?
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[10:11] <toad_> it doesn't rise as fast as you might expect
[10:11] <d-ArkAngel> every 5 min for say 4 days... ~5.8Gb
[10:12] <toad_> maybe i should make it 30 min :)
[10:12] * d-ArkAngel has about 900Mb of free HDD space...
[10:12] * toad_ makes it 30 min
[10:14] <spaetzAway> KenMan: :)
[10:14] <spaetzAway> oops, read stuff which happened hours ago. Ignore me...
[10:15] <d-ArkAngel> /ignore spae... oh right I see ;-)
[10:15] <toad_> hehe
[10:15] <toad_> nobody ignores me :)
[10:15] * spaetzAway is now known as spaetz
[10:15] <spaetz> hehe, that's the fate of the only paid developer toad
[10:16] <spaetz> well, actually looking at the freenet account balance I am not so convinced that he is actually going to be paid a lot :(
[10:17] <spaetz> I see that you fixed simulation bugs, great
[10:17] <spaetz> Looking forward to the new results
[10:18] <d-ArkAngel> that nvidia card is much happier in linux than the old ATI was, peaks of CPU are now only about 10% of one CPU, not 90% like before. So I can go back to my linux desktop without hurting the sims.
[10:20] <toad_> okay, every time I download, i'll include the saves, and i'll then delete them from the source
[10:20] <spaetz> brb
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[10:21] * toad_ will do the same with your node
[10:21] <toad_> so you don't run out of disk space
[10:21] <toad_> of course, i will :)
[10:25] * d-ArkAngel is freeing up disk space right now as well
[10:26] <d-ArkAngel> there's 2.2G free as of now.
[10:26] <d-ArkAngel> I'll see about gettng a couple more partitions setup
[10:27] <d-ArkAngel> I'll kill some of the windoze installs that I don't use (like longhorn alpha)
[10:27] * toad_ uploading new freenet.jar to you
[10:27] <toad_> :)
[10:27] * toad_ mumbles something about warez and security :)
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[10:29] <toad_> wb spaetz
[10:31] <spaetz> yay. Finally set up the new amd64 box
[10:32] <toad_> you already had some hours ago when i logged into it
[10:32] <toad_> now, what shall i run on hard-core? :)
[10:32] <toad_> hard-core is a 2z opteron, i believe, so i can run 2 sims on it...
[10:32] <toad_> 2x
[10:32] <d-ArkAngel> indeed it is
[10:33] <toad_> i'm running a 200x25@15 on erica
[10:33] <d-ArkAngel> 2.7Gb free now
[10:34] <spaetz> toad_: yep. it was basically running, but without any useful progs installed
[10:35] <spaetz> As it is my desktop machine, I now have a decent gnome 2.8 on it
[10:35] <d-ArkAngel> distro? or is it lfs?
[10:35] <spaetz> gentoo
[10:36] <spaetz> Not because I am a speed freak. But I like the configurabilty and the availability of recent programs
[10:37] <d-ArkAngel> (the fact that I'm someone who's activly considering doing a lfs install makes such comments un-needed)
[10:37] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-100x25-long-supersmooth.png
[10:37] <toad_> that looks reasonably convincing...
[10:37] <toad_> it's going to an asymptote, right?
[10:37] <toad_> is there any need to run this further?
[10:37] <toad_> it could be run further fairly fast...
[10:38] <toad_> otherwise... 400x50@23...
[10:41] <d-ArkAngel> well I'd say that I trust that as being what it's averageing to.
[10:42] <spaetz> looks like it stays at .95 yep
[10:43] <spaetz> Would be really surprising if it changes a lot now
[10:43] <d-ArkAngel> well if it didn't level back up to that 95 line... we've seen "instability" causing sudden drops in the psuccess average...
[10:45] <toad_> yeah, this is an excessively long term average though
[10:46] <d-ArkAngel> indeed
[10:46] <d-ArkAngel> I mean that if it did do any "drops" after any length of time I'd expect it to climb back to the 95% line
[10:46] <toad_> okay, running 400x50@23 on hard-core
[10:47] <d-ArkAngel> could you leave hard-core with only one sim running?
[10:47] <toad_> cycles taking a pretty long time...
[10:47] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: if you like
[10:47] <toad_> do you prefer that?
[10:47] <d-ArkAngel> I'm going to do some work on the threaded sim tonigh if I can get some free time, and I'd like to do the testing on that box.
[10:47] <toad_> okay
[10:48] <toad_> we also need to talk about/implement the other idea
[10:48] <d-ArkAngel> and I've got about 35Gb of files I need to burn off to dvd-r at some point
[10:48] <toad_> :)
[10:48] <toad_> do you have a DL writer?
[10:48] <d-ArkAngel> yup
[10:48] <d-ArkAngel> it's on hard-core
[10:48] <toad_> cool
[10:48] <d-ArkAngel> the DL discs are too damn expensive tho
[10:49] <d-ArkAngel> ?4-5 at the cheapest
[10:49] <toad_> okay, now I have to run something on hal...
[10:49] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: hmmm
[10:50] <d-ArkAngel> I'll download Knopix if you want then we can run some sims on helen's machine through the week if you want, (it's a P4 2.4 I think, only 256Mb of ram tho)
[10:51] <toad_> what's an a64 3000+? one memory channel, 1MB of cache? or is it half a meg? and is it 1.8GHz?
[10:51] <d-ArkAngel> one chan, 512Kb cache
[10:51] <toad_> 256M of RAM is rather limiting... maybe i could run some smaller sims...
[10:51] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: clock?
[10:51] <d-ArkAngel> but it's the new 90nm process so you can overclock the a64 3000's like a bitch
[10:52] <d-ArkAngel> I've seen people running them up at the speed of the new FX55's with just air cooling
[10:52] <toad_> cool.. one chan sucks though
[10:52] <d-ArkAngel> that *might* be a lit
[10:52] <d-ArkAngel> lie
[10:52] <d-ArkAngel> let me have a quick glance at my sources
[10:53] <d-ArkAngel> the 3000 is a 1.8
[10:53] * toad_ uploading to the 3000...
[10:53] <toad_> hmmm
[10:53] <toad_> 1.8's not bad for a K8
[10:54] <toad_> not catastrophically low
[10:54] <toad_> one channel ram sucks rather though
[10:54] <toad_> half a meg of cache also sucks :)
[10:54] <d-ArkAngel> which they managed to clock to 2.6Ghz with just air cooling
[10:54] <toad_> cool
[10:54] * toad_ doesn't go in for such things due to being very concerned about stability
[10:55] <toad_> if you can't run it 24x7 running freenet simulations, it's no use :)
[10:55] <d-ArkAngel> and I lied it is dual chan mem
[10:55] <d-ArkAngel> think about this tho
[10:55] <toad_> 3000+ is dual channel? i thought the dual channel a64's were 3700+ and so on?
[10:55] <d-ArkAngel> if it can run super-pi at 2.6Ghz, it'll be rock solid at the 1.8 stock
[10:56] <toad_> hmmm
[10:56] <d-ArkAngel> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2242&p=3
[10:56] <toad_> hal doesn't have vi, joe, ae, or jed...
[10:56] <d-ArkAngel> emacs child?
[10:57] <greycat> try nano
[10:57] <toad_> oooooh
[10:57] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: i suppose the 939 3000+ costs twice the price of the 754 3000+ ?
[10:58] <d-ArkAngel> nope
[10:58] <d-ArkAngel> I doubt it
[10:59] * d-ArkAngel looks
[10:59] <toad_> 114.98 inc vat on dabs...
[11:00] <toad_> they have a 4000+... "online finance available"
[11:00] * toad_ wonders what the clock is
[11:00] <spaetz> what's an a64 3000+? one memory channel, 1MB of cache? or is it half a meg? and is it 1.8GHz?
[11:00] <toad_> hmmm
[11:00] <spaetz> Its 2Ghz and Mhz Cache, but 1GB RAM
[11:00] <d-ArkAngel> two chanels, 512cach 1.8 90nm process
[11:00] <toad_> the 4000+ is 1MB dual channel... that's wierd... how is it different to an FX then?
[11:01] <d-ArkAngel> it's about the same as the FX53
[11:01] <toad_> so why have both lines if the chips are identical?
[11:01] <d-ArkAngel> but there's the FX63 now
[11:01] <d-ArkAngel> 55 even
[11:01] <d-ArkAngel> sorry
[11:01] <toad_> 63? ;)
[11:02] <toad_> 55 seems more likely... that's the 2.6GHz one? retails around $2K ? :)
[11:02] <d-ArkAngel> they are different packages. I think the FX is socket 940 isn't it?
[11:02] <toad_> $1K
[11:02] <toad_> no, the new FXs take standard RAM iirc
[11:02] <d-ArkAngel> yeah, the one that you can clock the new A64 3000's up to ;-)
[11:02] <toad_> therefore are 939
[11:02] * toad_ tempted to upgrade from 2800+ XP to 3000+ A64...
[11:03] <toad_> suspect with the JVM now ported and so on it'd be a significant gain
[11:03] <d-ArkAngel> 90nm's are ?120 inc vat
[11:03] <d-ArkAngel> for the 3000
[11:03] <d-ArkAngel> from www.overclockers.co.uk
[11:03] <toad_> having said that, transgaming refuses to port cedega, and it won't run on a 64-bit distro for some bizarre reason... so i'd have to dual boot to game.. :<
[11:03] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: ?115 from dabs
[11:04] <d-ArkAngel> yeah, overclockers was the first place I could think of that would deffinatly note the 90nm differences
[11:04] <d-ArkAngel> I normaly buy from ebuyer
[11:04] <d-ArkAngel> but I couldn't see which was which on their stats.
[11:04] <toad_> okay, well, not today :)
[11:05] <toad_> what can I run on hal?
[11:05] <spaetz> toad_: whatever you need
[11:05] <spaetz> it's got an 64 bit version of IBM?? java instaalled
[11:05] <toad_> yes but what do i need? ;)
[11:05] <spaetz> I hope it's stable
[11:05] <spaetz> ahh, that I cannot answer for you :-)
[11:06] <Ash-Fox> toad_, you might find this a interesting read: http://pdos.lcs.mit.edu/tarzan/
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[11:09] <d-ArkAngel> interesting stuff, but wouldn't that replace tcp/ip?
[11:10] <Ash-Fox> d-ArkAngel, I was thinking that one could possibly run that on a vpn that operates ontop of the internet
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[11:10] <Ash-Fox> d-ArkAngel, still, a interesting read
[11:10] <d-ArkAngel> yeah I suppose that'd be credible
[11:11] <d-ArkAngel> I was just thinking "nice idea but I bet ISP's won't support it, given they like IPv6 and they're doing bugger all about that"
[11:11] <d-ArkAngel> but I hadn't thought about VPN's
[11:14] <toad_> Yet Another IP MixNet, right?
[11:14] <Ash-Fox> it could theoretically run alongside with tcp/ip
[11:14] <Ash-Fox> toad_, mhmm :)
[11:14] <spaetz> toad, feel free to unnice java a bit more. I have some occasional tasks which should be even lower.
[11:15] <d-ArkAngel> theoreticaly tcp/ip should work accros the internet, tho it seems some routers even break that spec, so I'd not hold a lot of hope for anything else working too well :-)
[11:15] <toad_> |System nodes communicate over sequences of mix relays chosen from an open-ended pool of volunteer nodes, without any centralized component.
[11:15] <toad_> like I2P, right?
[11:15] <Ash-Fox> mhmm
[11:16] <toad_> |Furthermore, we leverage our new concept of a domain to remove potential adversarial bias: An adversary may run hundreds of virtual machines, yet is unlikely to control hundreds of different IP subnets.
[11:16] <toad_> interesting one...
[11:17] <d-ArkAngel> we could probably code that into the freenet peer selection code....
[11:17] <d-ArkAngel> some kind of "at least n different subnets" preference.
[11:17] <toad_> i'm not quite sure what he means by mimics
[11:17] <toad_> that looks interesting
[11:20] <toad_> bbiab
[11:20] <toad_> well i do see actually
[11:21] <toad_> i'm not sure how we'd adapt it...
[11:21] <toad_> but if we can it'd be a very good idea
[11:22] <toad_> bbiab
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[11:31] <toad_> well, if it's what it sounds like, it's insufficient for freenet, but it's also insufficient for most other things...
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[11:32] <hobx_> weeee
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[11:36] <Redb3ard> bah
[11:36] <Redb3ard> this sounds like my concept
[11:36] <Redb3ard> ashfox, they stole this from me
[11:36] <toad_> aha
[11:36] <toad_> mimics is actually a form of fixed connections
[11:36] <toad_> then they build mix tunnels over THAT
[11:37] <toad_> so you can't use any random network node in your tunnel
[11:37] <toad_> only those that are linked by mimics
[11:41] <spaetz> I peeked into the simulation log. And it it's not using the big integer library
[11:42] <spaetz> does that slow things down a lot?
[11:42] <spaetz> INFO: Native BigInteger library jbigi not loaded - using pure java
[11:42] <toad_> somewhat, but we don't have a native lib for amd64
[11:42] <toad_> probably not hugely, as mostly we use doubles now...
[11:42] <spaetz> mmh, isn't it using that libgmp as underlying lib?
[11:43] <toad_> but it does slow down e.g. converting bigints to doubles
[11:43] <spaetz> Because I was able to install that just fine
[11:43] <toad_> yes
[11:43] <toad_> it uses a precompiled libgmp
[11:43] <spaetz> ahh, ok
[11:43] <d-ArkAngel> just as a question, the nodes in the live network... they select nodes based on their time taken to respond to requests...
[11:43] <spaetz> ok, I'll throw my local libgmp away then
[11:44] <toad_> wait
[11:44] <toad_> i think there's a way to make it use your local libgmp..
[11:44] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: yes...
[11:44] <toad_> and probability of success
[11:44] <toad_> and so on
[11:44] <d-ArkAngel> so in theory you the network should evlove some what similarly to the physical layout of the nodes....
[11:44] <toad_> yeah
[11:45] <spaetz> toad, ok it's installed in /usr/local/lib
[11:46] <d-ArkAngel> so the node space will become... flat?
[11:46] <d-ArkAngel> or the same sort of spacial topography as the internet it's based on.
[11:46] <d-ArkAngel> which if good in terms of performance....
[11:46] <toad_> spaetz: not sure
[11:46] <toad_> spaetz: given that it's a different bitness... not sure
[11:47] <toad_> somebody should compile such libs for amd64, and put in the needed cpu recognition asm
[11:47] <d-ArkAngel> but isn't that a security risk.... someone could connect a large number of big nodes closed to you physicaly, and leave your node to drift into talking to their nodes....
[11:47] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: only if they are actually good nodes
[11:47] <d-ArkAngel> snooping would be possible like that wound't it?
[11:48] <toad_> routing table takeover attacks are a concern
[11:48] <toad_> but it depends heavily on performance
[11:48] <toad_> pDNF matters a lot
[11:50] <toad_> although perhaps our combination formula doesn't emphasize it quite enough... roughly it's tSuccess*pSuccess+tFailure/pSuccess
[11:50] <d-ArkAngel> indeed, so as long as they don't censor, only watch you then it's ok... but the odds of someone trying to watch a given individual on freenet is probably quite low, unless they are already under observation, and there's probably better ways to watch.
[11:50] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: if we route based on performance then They can snoop on us by providing really good nodes
[11:50] <toad_> this is a problem
[11:50] <toad_> it's only a serious problem if they can take over the entire active routing table and thus know that we're not forwarding
[11:50] <spaetz> yes, but not routing based on performacnce doesn't sound good as well...
[11:51] <d-ArkAngel> and if they can do that, then you're already in enough trouble for freenet to be of little use.
[11:51] <toad_> premix routing, abolishing HTL, and so on, will help, of course
[11:51] <toad_> well, we may need extra measures to make taking over the whole RT hard
[11:51] <toad_> but there are more pressing problems
[11:51] <d-ArkAngel> indeed
[11:52] <d-ArkAngel> I'm just thinking about things as I'm learning to understand the way things fit together
[11:53] <d-ArkAngel> I will keep asking such questions, it's how I mull things over, and every now and again a good idea will pop up either in conversation, or when I'm thinking about it afterwards (like the peer/estimators changes)
[11:53] <toad_> one way to prevent it is to have such a huge network that providing really good nodes across the keyspace, near the target, is a challenge even for Them :)
[11:54] <toad_> now what was i running on hal? 800x50@31...
[11:54] <d-ArkAngel> I've got an hour now it you want to have a "group think" about the peer/estimators thing. unless you're wanting to work on the inserts problem.
[11:54] <toad_> uh
[11:54] <toad_> right now i'm waiting for a download from hal so that i can draw some more graphs and make sure it's included
[11:54] <toad_> so if you want to talk, lets talk
[11:55] <toad_> i think it's possible to do it exactly, but it'll be quite hard code-wise
[11:55] <toad_> and it will mean calculating significantly more samples on a change
[11:55] <toad_> doing it approximately i.e. worst/best case, can be done somewhat more cheaply and easily
[11:56] <toad_> but still i don't know whether it'll work out to a net benefit
[11:56] * toad_ has some notes on this, can i send you?
[11:56] <d-ArkAngel> sure
[11:56] <toad_> how? dcc?
[11:57] <d-ArkAngel> I think that moving the calculations from the lookups to the updates would be an improvement....
[11:57] <d-ArkAngel> e-mail?
[11:57] <d-ArkAngel> robert@scabserver.com
[11:58] <toad_> the notes may need some explaining...
[11:58] <d-ArkAngel> because updates only happen when we actualy route a request to a node.
[11:58] <toad_> well yes
[11:58] <toad_> but what happens is this:
[11:58] <toad_> we get a request
[11:58] <toad_> we route it
[11:58] <toad_> ...
[11:58] <d-ArkAngel> but the lookups happen for every peer for every time we try and decide where to route a request.
[11:58] <toad_> we get some sort of response, and update the estimators
[11:58] <d-ArkAngel> yes
[11:58] <toad_> now, if the RT is 50
[11:59] <toad_> routing costs around 50 estimations
[11:59] <toad_> the notes I'm sending you suggest that for one reasonable scenario it'd cost 9 to update inaccurately, and 15 to update accurately
[11:59] <toad_> very approximatel
[11:59] <toad_> y
[12:00] <toad_> and then it'd cost a smaller amount, hopefully a much smaller amount, for routing
[12:00] <toad_> so we're down from 50+0 to hopefully 5+15 or so...
[12:00] <toad_> this was assuming 16 buckets, 32 sub-buckets...
[12:01] <toad_> more actual buckets makes update cost less
[12:01] <d-ArkAngel> I would have thought 1+15 (more or less)
[12:01] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: i doubt it
[12:01] <toad_> we produce ranges
[12:01] <toad_> these ranges aren't very accurate if we do it approximately
[12:01] <toad_> but there is still a range even if we do it accurately
[12:01] <d-ArkAngel> and there's a probability that we have to do additional comparisons.
[12:01] <d-ArkAngel> I see.
[12:01] <toad_> it depends on how good the best node is and so on...
[12:02] <toad_> node 0: 150-180, node 1: 160-190, node 2: 165-210, node 3: 179-205, node 4: 180-300
[12:03] <d-ArkAngel> it might be interesting to have a graph of the specilisations curves of a live node, just so we can see what sort of shape the graps are developing into
[12:03] <toad_> we evaluate for node 0, and get 165
[12:03] <toad_> this means we have to check node 1...
[12:03] <toad_> indeed, that's one reason for serialization
[12:03] <toad_> or do you mean a real world one?
[12:03] <d-ArkAngel> both would be interesting
[12:03] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: you can get real world ones from your node
[12:04] <d-ArkAngel> per peer?
[12:04] <toad_> yup
[12:04] <d-ArkAngel> neat.
[12:04] <toad_> lots and lots of detail
[12:04] <toad_> on the routing table page
[12:04] <toad_> sadly running a node and a simulation on the same system seems infeasible
[12:04] <toad_> with 2.6 :|
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> well I'll start my node up on scabserver.com again.
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> hmm
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> wait
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> I can't really
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> I'm in the process of downloading rather a lot of stuff.
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> well I could start it
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> hmmm.
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> now there's a dilema
[12:06] * d-ArkAngel gives up and decides to install it on his rackshack box.
[12:06] * toad_ tries an insert...
[12:06] <toad_> you have a lot of boxes...
[12:06] <d-ArkAngel> I've got a hosting co ;-)
[12:06] <toad_> ahhh
[12:06] <d-ArkAngel> if only a small one
[12:07] <toad_> root@amphibian:~# fclient put CHK@ violations.txt
[12:07] <d-ArkAngel> unfortunaly it's all 3rd part boxes and I've been resisting running "personal" stuff on anything like that.
[12:07] <toad_> ...
[12:07] <toad_> The query was restarted somewhere on Freenet after a node failed to reply, rejected, or had to increase the timeout, waiting another 698 seconds before I give up
[12:07] <toad_> 698 seconds?
[12:07] <toad_> the timeouts are pretty horrendous now
[12:07] <toad_> even on small files...
[12:07] <toad_> and it's all queueing's fault!
[12:08] <d-ArkAngel> what is queuing doing? waiting till it's got n requests before routing them and spreading them out over the peers it knows?
[12:08] <toad_> each request can be delayed by up to N millis
[12:08] <toad_> where N is roughly 3 seconds for small requests, 6 seconds for small inserts
[12:09] <toad_> in order to either route it at all, or route it to the best available node
[12:09] <d-ArkAngel> 6s*20HTL = 120 seconds....
[12:09] <toad_> yeah, the 698 seconds is probably a storedata timeout
[12:09] <d-ArkAngel> and each peer can only process one request at a time?
[12:09] <toad_> that gets doubled
[12:10] <toad_> each peer can only accept one request every MRI milliseconds
[12:10] <d-ArkAngel> regardless of the size of the request?
[12:10] <toad_> MRI varies considerably...
[12:10] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: yes
[12:11] <d-ArkAngel> which is one of the reasons you were wanting to fix the size of blocks right?
[12:11] <toad_> bandwidth is not the only cost
[12:11] <toad_> yes
[12:12] <d-ArkAngel> what causes MRI to vary?
[12:12] <toad_> load, mostly
[12:13] <d-ArkAngel> and you control your own MRI?
[12:13] <d-ArkAngel> doesn't that make it open to abuse by "leeching" nodes?
[12:13] <toad_> yeah, it's calculated based on load, incoming requests, and so on
[12:14] <toad_> leach nodes don't stay in your RT very long
[12:14] <d-ArkAngel> why not?
[12:14] <toad_> once they cease to be newbie, under current rules we sort by MRI * typicalEstimate
[12:14] <d-ArkAngel> does psuccess decay over time?
[12:15] <d-ArkAngel> ahhhh
[12:15] <toad_> it's probable that we'll switch to LRU
[12:15] <toad_> either way, leaches don't stay in the RT
[12:15] <toad_> we keep nodes in our RT or connected set, on the basis of how useful they are to us
[12:15] <d-ArkAngel> that's quite a big difference between our sim and the live table isn't it? that method of sorting nodes?
[12:16] <toad_> the sim uses LRU
[12:16] <toad_> the live table uses a more complex formula
[12:16] <toad_> there's good reason to think that LRU works; less reason to think our current formula works
[12:16] <toad_> we'll probably switch at some point
[12:17] * toad_ hmmz
[12:17] <toad_> it may be taking too long to download the saves...
[12:17] <d-ArkAngel> well if we're changing the way peers are dealt with in terms of their estimators being linked, it'll happen if that's of benefit.
[12:18] <d-ArkAngel> 2mb @ 128k
[12:18] <toad_> eh?
[12:18] <toad_> well some of them are larger than that
[12:18] <d-ArkAngel> ahhh.
[12:18] <d-ArkAngel> scabserver's upload is only 128kbit I'm afraid.
[12:19] <toad_> maybe i need to run the downloads in parallel..
[12:19] <d-ArkAngel> lol, maybe it'll be faster for me to burn the output to CD's and mail them to you :-)
[12:20] <spaetz> mmh, upload isn't very fast here wither.
[12:21] * d-ArkAngel resists the urge to buy a "freenet" hard drive.
[12:22] <greycat> resistance is futile!
[12:23] <toad_> how do i enable job control in a bash script?
[12:23] <d-ArkAngel> ?30 for an 80Gb drive...
[12:23] <greycat> in a *script*? that's nuts...
[12:23] <toad_> well i want to run 2 other scripts in the background
[12:23] <toad_> and then wait for them to complete
[12:23] <greycat> help wait
[12:24] <toad_> i know but you need to turn it on
[12:24] <greycat> no, it should work by default
[12:24] <greycat> svr1a:~$ date; sleep 5 & sleep 6 & wait; date
[12:24] <greycat> Fri Oct 22 11:25:59 EDT 2004
[12:24] <greycat> [1] 30285
[12:24] <greycat> [2] 30286
[12:24] <greycat> [1]- Done sleep 5
[12:24] <greycat> [2]+ Done sleep 6
[12:24] <greycat> Fri Oct 22 11:26:05 EDT 2004
[12:26] <toad_> hmmm
[12:26] <toad_> that insert has had a hell of a lot of restarts...
[12:27] <toad_> there's probably still something wrong with the timeouts somewhere...
[12:27] <toad_> bbl
[12:27] <d-ArkAngel> damn you all
[12:27] <d-ArkAngel> now I'm looking at hard drives!
[12:28] <d-ArkAngel> I'm buying a house! I can't afford this!
[12:28] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
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[13:29] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-800x25-smooth.png
[13:29] <toad_> strange
[13:29] <toad_> the higher HTLs actually seem to be lower...
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[13:30] <toad_> hi lolo-laptop
[13:31] <lolo-laptop> hey
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[13:52] <toad_> could somebody try to fetch CHK@E3sq~LHwYtQCzkO1-N4ndaoV~-INAwI,NOcDYyuM~zLwk0xwU7qa0Q please?
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[14:02] * toad_ investigates insert timeouts, once again...
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[14:21] <toad_> okay
[14:21] <toad_> the first node RNFd
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[14:36] * toad_ hmmmz
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[14:53] <toad_> wb d-ArkAngel
[14:53] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[14:53] <d-ArkAngel> the sim running is making the games running on that machine very slow. (my games I mean colour lines and the like (helen plays them some)
[14:53] <Ribs> toad_: I think it loads
[14:54] <Ribs> I get what appears to be debug notes
[14:54] <d-ArkAngel> which I find kinda strange given it's only one cpu that's loaded
[14:54] <toad_> Ribs: what does?
[14:56] * toad_ is just making Restarted (FCP, not FNP) include a reason field...
[14:59] * toad_ restarting node...
[15:00] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: what's colour lines?
[15:00] * spaetz_ (~spaetz@217-162-197-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[15:00] <toad_> something like lbreakout?
[15:00] <Ribs> toad_ could somebody try to fetch CHK@E3sq~LHwYtQCzkO1-N4ndaoV~-INAwI,NOcDYyuM~zLwk0xwU7qa0Q please?
[15:00] <Ribs> that
[15:00] <toad_> Ribs: cool
[15:00] <Ribs> okay, only just noticed you said that over an hour ago
[15:00] <Ribs> d'oh
[15:00] <toad_> confirms my theory that when an insert finally succeeds, the data is all over the network
[15:02] * toad_ trying another put...
[15:02] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 7:03:16 PM:The query was restarted somewhere on Freenet after a node failed to reply, rejected, or had to increase the timeout, waiting another 813 seconds before I give up (TransferInsert -> IAWSD)
[15:02] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 7:04:00 PM:The query was restarted somewhere on Freenet after a node failed to reply, rejected, or had to increase the timeout, waiting another 284 seconds before I give up (relaying in freenet.node.states.request.TransferInsertPending)
[15:02] <toad_> what?
[15:09] <Xyzi> anyone who?ve got iip to work?
[15:10] <toad_> the new iip or the old iip?
[15:10] <Xyzi> the new i think
[15:10] <Xyzi> the program is up running but i can't use my client to connect to localhost 6667 :/
[15:11] <Xyzi> i am using the "user/transient (no relay)"-option
[15:11] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 7:12:58 PM:Transfer ended with 40894 bytes moved.
[15:12] <toad_> well the old iip is long dead
[15:12] <toad_> not sure about the new
[15:12] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 7:13:14 PM:The query was restarted somewhere on Freenet after a node failed to reply, rejected, or had to increase the timeout, waiting another 813 seconds before I give up (TransferInsert -> IAWSD)
[15:12] <Xyzi> :9
[15:12] <toad_> you might also want to try i2p
[15:12] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 7:13:35 PM:The query was restarted somewhere on Freenet after a node failed to reply, rejected, or had to increase the timeout, waiting another 813 seconds before I give up (relaying in IAWSD)
[15:13] <toad_> (relaying in IAWSD) again
[15:13] <toad_> (relaying in IAWSD) again
[15:14] <toad_> 6 now
[15:14] <toad_> 7
[15:14] <toad_> 8
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[15:18] <toad_> 9
[15:18] * toad_ thinks resetting stable is probably the next step as far as inserts go...
[15:18] <toad_> 10
[15:18] <toad_> anyone want to help reset stable?
[15:18] <toad_> 11
[15:20] * Ash-Fox (Hal-9000@aam192.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit ()
[15:20] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: Ribs: Xyzi: lolo-laptop: greycat: spaetz: Redb3ard: and anyone else out there... I need volunteers with stable nodes to help reset stable
[15:22] <Xyzi> :4
[15:22] <toad_> what does that mean?
[15:22] <Xyzi> approximately :>
[15:22] <Xyzi> * what does that mean? -> yes that's quite what i am asking myself
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[15:25] <toad_> hi Ash-Fox
[15:25] <toad_> does anyone want to help me reset stable?
[15:25] <Ash-Fox> hello toad_
[15:26] <Ash-Fox> toad_, what's new in stable?
[15:26] <toad_> Ash-Fox: I think that part of the reason inserts suck can be rectified by a reset
[15:26] <d-ArkAngel> what's needed for the reset
[15:26] <Ash-Fox> I'll help
[15:27] <toad_> a stable node
[15:27] <Xyzi> what is a reset? :/\
[15:27] <d-ArkAngel> I can start on
[15:27] <d-ArkAngel> one
[15:27] <toad_> also can anyone tell me conclusively whether http://127.0.0.1:8888/SSK@n0QPPXTXTSbvBFiSnhFSjBVwu7wPAgM/Why// is pornographic?
[15:27] <toad_> "There are many places you can find images of children being emotionally murdered but only on Freenet can hear the victims speak right next to the graphic images of them being abused. This page is specifically a rebuttal to images of sexual abuse and betrayal of trust."
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[15:28] <d-ArkAngel> do you really want us all requesting and increasing the popularity of that link?
[15:29] <toad_> no, but if you happen to know that it is not, that would be useful to know
[15:29] <toad_> the summary suggests not but you never know on freenet
[15:30] <d-ArkAngel> I'd forgotten how long it takes to start my node
[15:31] <toad_> anyhoo
[15:31] <Ash-Fox> d-ArkAngel, it's a secret method implement to stop people from restarting their nodes all the time
[15:31] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[15:31] <Ash-Fox> :P
[15:31] <toad_> I'm going to put out a private 5097 to anyone who wants to help restart stable
[15:31] <Ash-Fox> me!
[15:32] <toad_> then I set up a new seednodes and announce
[15:32] <d-ArkAngel> it's probably because I've only given it 33Gb of drive space
[15:32] <toad_> then after it reaches 100 or so, I replace the old jar and seednodes
[15:32] <toad_> so i have what, 3 volunteers?
[15:32] <Ash-Fox> am I one of the 3?
[15:32] <d-ArkAngel> well I can start at least one node
[15:33] <d-ArkAngel> let me see if I can get a node running one one of my larger boxes
[15:33] <toad_> okay
[15:33] <toad_> please don't wipe your store when you reset
[15:33] <d-ArkAngel> will a 1.7 celly with 1.5Gb of ram be ok for huge bandwidth?
[15:33] <toad_> Ash-Fox: that's up to you...
[15:33] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: one way to find out :)
[15:33] <Ash-Fox> I'm volunteering
[15:33] <d-ArkAngel> it's got 100Mbit symetric
[15:34] <toad_> okay, few moments...
[15:34] <plixed_> toad_: <aol> me too </aol>
[15:34] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[15:34] * toad_ is doing a diff, to find out whether he needs to reset stable...
[15:34] <Xyzi> hm
[15:34] <toad_> <aol> and me! </aol>
[15:35] <toad_> err
[15:35] <Xyzi> but what does it mean to restart stable, and what is a 5097? :P
[15:35] <toad_> to find out whether i need to reload the source first
[15:35] <d-ArkAngel> when are we wanting to do the reset?
[15:35] <toad_> before upping the lGB
[15:35] <toad_> asap
[15:35] <toad_> but first i must do this..
[15:35] <toad_> which will take a couple minutes or so
[15:35] <d-ArkAngel> tonight? tomorrow? monday?
[15:36] <toad_> < 10 mins
[15:36] <d-ArkAngel> ahhh, ok so probably not going to have the big box setu[
[15:36] <d-ArkAngel> scabserver.com is in theo
[15:36] <d-ArkAngel> tho
[15:36] <Ash-Fox> <aol> 1 W1LL HAX0RZ 3net0rz! </aol>
[15:36] <toad_> what's 3net0rz ?
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[15:37] <toad_> hi JustMe_
[15:37] <toad_> want to help us to reset stable?
[15:37] <JustMe_> hi toad
[15:37] <Ash-Fox> toad_, I just made it up
[15:37] <JustMe_> sure
[15:37] * Ash-Fox asks a couple of friends to come here and help with the reset of freenet
[15:37] * [ASS]Radiant (~pie@c529c2192.cable.wanadoo.nl) has joined #freenet
[15:38] * [ASS]Radiant is now known as Radiant-
[15:38] <toad_> okay, the only change actually in is the put-reason-on-FCP-Restarted-events change
[15:38] <toad_> we can keep that
[15:38] <Ash-Fox> ASS? Radiant...
[15:38] <Radiant-> old cs clan :P stupid mirc keeps switching to that
[15:38] <Radiant-> even though i havent used that nick in months
[15:38] <d-ArkAngel> anyone know how the cpu usage on a dual CPU is on a node?
[15:38] <Ash-Fox> CS.... don't tell me you played CS
[15:39] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: depends on bandwidth :)
[15:39] <toad_> if you have a sim running at the same time that will probably cause the node to be really slow
[15:39] <d-ArkAngel> no sim
[15:39] <d-ArkAngel> it will however be running a big ass DB server
[15:39] <toad_> HOWTO: Rig An Election (Without Leaving an Audit Trail)
[15:39] <Ash-Fox> toad_, Radiant- wishes to help with the reset of freenet btw
[15:39] <toad_> LOL!
[15:39] * d-ArkAngel thinks about it
[15:40] <greycat> toad_: yeah, saw that one.
[15:40] <toad_> yup
[15:40] <toad_> 2 mins
[15:40] * toad_ is just restarting master seed
[15:40] <d-ArkAngel> maybe it'd be a big ass webserver....
[15:40] <d-ArkAngel> the DB server is desperate for ram
[15:40] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: that's a big bad warning sign
[15:40] <toad_> okay, restarting
[15:40] <d-ArkAngel> ok I'll put it on the webserver
[15:41] <d-ArkAngel> might take me a while to get the it setup on that box tho.
[15:42] <toad_> hmmm
[15:42] <toad_> why didn't it ditch the RT?
[15:42] <toad_> oh well
[15:42] <plixed_> ok, my node is now down and awaits the new version
[15:42] <toad_> 1sec
[15:42] <d-ArkAngel> cos it loves all those nodes
[15:43] <toad_> okay, restarting, uploading jar to freenetproject.org
[15:43] <Ash-Fox> yay!
[15:43] <toad_> under a different name so people don't auto-update to it
[15:44] <toad_> starting again...
[15:44] <d-ArkAngel> you know you can tell a lot about people based on what they name their files....
[15:44] <d-ArkAngel> ;-)
[15:44] * greycat bravely volunteers to help test.
[15:44] <toad_> node loaded
[15:45] <Ash-Fox> d-ArkAngel, what if he calls it freenet-new.jar ?
[15:45] * toad_ moves the jar...
[15:45] <Ash-Fox> d-ArkAngel, what does that tell you about the person?
[15:46] <toad_> freenet-5097-reset.jar
[15:46] <toad_> in snapshots
[15:46] * d-ArkAngel is a CS grad, not a psycology grad ;-)
[15:46] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-5097-reset.jar
[15:47] <Ash-Fox> and the seed file?
[15:48] <toad_> reset-seednodes.ref
[15:48] <Ash-Fox> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/reset-seednodes.ref
[15:48] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/reset-seednodes.ref
[15:48] <d-ArkAngel> and what do I do with that?
[15:48] <toad_> that should be enough to go on
[15:48] <toad_> and sf's uplink is considerably better than mine ;)
[15:49] <toad_> the former is your new freenet.jar
[15:49] <toad_> the latter is your new seednodes.ref
[15:49] <toad_> do NOT delete the store
[15:49] <d-ArkAngel> so I just replace the older files with those yes?
[15:49] <toad_> but you probably should delete the routing table
[15:49] <toad_> yes
[15:49] <d-ArkAngel> what if I'm starting a new node now?
[15:49] <Ash-Fox> toad_, what if we don't have a store :/
[15:49] <toad_> then don't delete it :)
[15:50] * Ash-Fox deleted his node about a month ago
[15:50] <greycat> which files should we delete?
[15:50] <Ash-Fox> greycat, seednodes.ref freenet.jar
[15:50] <toad_> rtnodes* ngrt* lsnodes*
[15:50] <Ash-Fox> I think
[15:50] <greycat> besides those two.
[15:50] <toad_> rt*
[15:50] <Xyzi> hm
[15:51] <Xyzi> is that a new version? :s
[15:51] <toad_> yes, that should be 5097
[15:51] <plixed_> node is starting
[15:51] <Xyzi> im sorry for being so new to this :P
[15:52] <toad_> don't be
[15:52] <Xyzi> hehe. don't know much :)
[15:52] <toad_> 209.142.155.49:51115
[15:52] <toad_> who's that?
[15:52] <greycat> that's me
[15:52] <toad_> cool
[15:53] <greycat> an insert at HTL 2 went really quickly on the 5097 net ;-)
[15:53] <greycat> I don't know what we should be aiming for, though
[15:53] <toad_> :)
[15:54] <toad_> gimme CHK?
[15:54] <greycat> SSK@wlUk5niRuNDUL4lzvdHu6DamhW8PAgM/Greg_Wooledge//?date=20041023
[15:54] <toad_> did it work? i thought it'd be limited to 1 with only 2 nodes?
[15:54] * greycat shrugs
[15:54] <Xyzi> if someone is using the new version of the net, will he or she be able to access the old net through it?
[15:55] <toad_> cool, it worked
[15:55] * toad_ doing a slightly larger insert
[15:55] <toad_> Xyzi: no
[15:55] <toad_> Xyzi: but hopefully the content will migrate with the datastores
[15:56] <Xyzi> :P
[15:56] <toad_> hmmm, "seednodes.ref (DATE: 2004-06-01 22:10)" - could this possibly be porn? :)
[15:56] <Xyzi> toad_ so you are one of the main developers?
[15:57] <toad_> yeah
[15:57] <toad_> greycat: how do you insert non-redundant splitfiles?
[15:57] <toad_> and why?
[15:57] <greycat> "why" is because that's what this thing does by default
[15:57] <Xyzi> nice :) i used freenet some months ago, but unfortunately i had some problems with javac or something.. it hung up my system and the internet-connectin.. but i tried it now.. and it seems to work fine.
[15:57] <toad_> fcptools?
[15:57] <greycat> "how" is ft -l 2 -i 20 -f 1 putsite SSK@$(<privkey-GW)/Greg_Wooledge Greg_Wooledge
[15:58] <greycat> is fcptools considered good and stable now? I haven't been following it.
[15:58] <toad_> 3 nodes...
[15:58] * toad_ uses FIW
[15:58] <toad_> hmmm
[15:59] * toad_ needs to restart X
[15:59] <toad_> be back in 30 seconds
[15:59] * toad_ (toad@82-32-18-233.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
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[15:59] <greycat> he had to restart his IRC client just for X? Wow... must not be using screen!
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[16:03] <JustMe_> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 2 (1/1/200)
[16:03] <d-ArkAngel> eek, website not happy...
[16:03] <d-ArkAngel> killing second node....
[16:04] * toad_ back
[16:04] <d-ArkAngel> how many nodes are there on the network?
[16:05] <d-ArkAngel> I can't make it stop!
[16:05] <toad_> 6 now
[16:06] <greycat> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 1 (0/1/32)
[16:06] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 31 (5/26)
[16:06] <d-ArkAngel> what have you done to these nodes to make them invincible!
[16:07] <greycat> super toad powers
[16:07] <toad_> sorry to disappoint, but small network, little traffic is the answer :|
[16:07] <toad_> and try kill -9
[16:07] <toad_> :)
[16:07] <d-ArkAngel> even my trusty "killall java" won't shut it down
[16:07] <toad_> killall -9 java?
[16:08] <toad_> anyone got any test uploads?
[16:08] <d-ArkAngel> ooo I think I've got them
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[16:09] <d-ArkAngel> hmmm, server performance still sucks...
[16:09] <d-ArkAngel> I wonder what's wrong with it....
[16:09] * d-ArkAngel wonders if he's getting DOS'd again
[16:10] <d-ArkAngel> could someone do me a fav?
[16:10] <d-ArkAngel> could you visit www.blizzhackers.com and see if it's reasonably quick to load for you? or if it's laggy
[16:11] <greycat> seems quick enough here
[16:11] <toad_> seems reasonably fast
[16:11] <plixed_> it's ok
[16:11] <plixed_> dns took a sec
[16:11] <toad_> greycat: what was that URL you gave me?
[16:11] <d-ArkAngel> hmmm
[16:11] <d-ArkAngel> maybe it's my connection here
[16:12] <Ash-Fox> alright freenet node running
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 Upping mapfile
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 +++Found mapfile
[16:12] <toad_> #31 Key is SSK@TDtkQZpHTMbhGoSxWfR-ly8BTa4PAgM,phJ~IgAADJkijtDO7iAeSw/toadsite/4
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 Examining mapfile
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 Identical mapfile
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 Getting (01) mapfile
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 ***RouteNF mapfile [0/0/5]
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 Getting (02) mapfile
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 ***RouteNF mapfile [0/0/5]
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 Getting (03) mapfile
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 ***RouteNF mapfile [0/0/5]
[16:12] <toad_> #31 02 Getting (04) mapfile
[16:12] <toad_> there's something strange happening here...
[16:13] <toad_> do some requests, i see 5 nodes
[16:13] <toad_> hmmm 4 now
[16:13] <plixed_> i got a log of "please close me" and "job done" in the log
[16:14] <Ash-Fox> toad_, you can always access my node using the url I just sent you
[16:14] <plixed_> s/a log/a lot/
[16:15] <toad_> lots of RNFs on my FIW insert...
[16:15] <toad_> probably because of many requests on too small a network? dunno...
[16:16] * Xyzi (Nikklas@c-a88772d5.03-24-73746f42.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[16:16] * Ash-Fox will be starting frost in a moment to check for messages if that's alright?
[16:16] * toad_ is already running frost
[16:17] <greycat> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 1 (0/1/32)
[16:17] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 5 (0/5)
[16:17] <greycat> dunno what happened to my second connection
[16:17] <d-ArkAngel> toad...
[16:17] <d-ArkAngel> did you just download logs from hard-core?
[16:17] <d-ArkAngel> if it was either of my nodes it probably went offline... :-(
[16:18] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: hmm?
[16:18] <d-ArkAngel> my internet connection seems .... crippled...
[16:19] <d-ArkAngel> just wondering if you'er downloading something?
[16:19] <toad_> might've been...
[16:19] <d-ArkAngel> how about now?
[16:19] <toad_> download is started on the hour
[16:20] <toad_> yes, i think it is downloading from hard-core
[16:21] <d-ArkAngel> could you stop it so I can sort out the nodes?
[16:21] * toad_ kills
[16:21] * d-ArkAngel instantly notices the difference.
[16:22] <d-ArkAngel> from 4kb/s to 80kb/s on a connection
[16:22] <d-ArkAngel> what ya downloading the progress files?
[16:22] <toad_> i read 4 nodes, and i'm the seed
[16:22] <toad_> we need more...
[16:22] <toad_> probably
[16:22] <d-ArkAngel> I'll start mine again in a moment
[16:23] <Ash-Fox> I'll send freenet to a few million zombie machines!
[16:23] <Ash-Fox> j/k :P
[16:23] <d-ArkAngel> I just paniced and killed them when my site seemed to be going dead slow
[16:25] <d-ArkAngel> that better, should be another 2 nodes now toad
[16:26] * toad_ sends email to devl and tech soliciting more nodes
[16:26] <toad_> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 6 (6/0/200)
[16:27] <toad_> my upload is going suprisingly slowly...
[16:27] <Ash-Fox> No, you fool! You'll kills us all!
[16:27] <spaetz> I'm back
[16:27] <spaetz> toad you still need stable nodes out there?
[16:28] <toad_> spaetz: i need more stable nodes
[16:28] <spaetz> BTW, the simulation you run on my machine goes down to 0.71
[16:28] <toad_> spaetz: reset-stable nodes, that is
[16:28] <toad_> hmm?
[16:28] <spaetz> Sorry missed the discussion. What is a reset-stable node?
[16:28] <spaetz> Just starting a fresh stable one?
[16:28] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-5097-reset.jar
[16:29] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/reset-seednodes.ref
[16:29] <greycat> a "stable" node that won't talk to build 5096 or earlier.
[16:29] <spaetz> ok, will do. Just a minute
[16:29] <toad_> and wipe the RT
[16:29] <toad_> but not the DS
[16:30] <plixed_> i thought this happens automatically?
[16:30] <toad_> what?
[16:30] <plixed_> wiping the RT
[16:30] <greycat> toad_: I started a full "--delete" insert of serendipity (HTL 4), and it chugged along for a little while, then "hung" here:
[16:30] <toad_> ah
[16:30] <greycat> RETRY #7: serendipity/index.html
[16:30] <greycat> SUCCESS: file #4/181 index.html (191522, text/html)
[16:30] <greycat> Inserting file #31/181 wot/bush.jpg (8179, image/jpeg) with HTL:4
[16:31] <toad_> hmmm
[16:31] <toad_> it just stops?
[16:31] <greycat> yes
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[16:32] <greycat> greg 4497 0.0 0.1 1584 580 pts/5 S+ 15:17 0:00 ftput -n127.0.0.1 -p8481 -l4 -i20 -t3 -s262144 -v2 --delete CHK@ serendipity/wot/bush.jpg
[16:32] <greycat> that process is 16 minutes old
[16:32] <toad_> root@amphibian:~# fclient put --htl 1 CHK@ verify.log
[16:32] <toad_> Transfer ended with 11051 bytes moved.
[16:33] <toad_> The query was restarted somewhere on Freenet after a node failed to reply, rejected, or had to increase the timeout, waiting another 319 seconds before I give up (TransferInsert -> IAWSD)
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[16:33] <greycat> A lot of the originals are still waiting too, e.g.: greg 4466 0.0 0.1 1588 584 pts/5 S+ 15:10 0:00 ftput -n127.0.0.1 -p8481 -l4 -i20 -t3 -s262144 -v2 --delete CHK@ serendipity/wot/aladdin1.htm
[16:34] <greycat> Those are 25 minutes old now.
[16:34] <toad_> yes but when did it last do something?
[16:34] <toad_> and what was it that it did?
[16:34] <greycat> ah, good point... I don't have datestamps on the "RETRY #1: serendipity/wot/aladdin1.htm" lines.
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[16:36] <spaetz> ok, installing the reset node now. Will be up in a minute
[16:37] * toad_ hmmz
[16:37] <toad_> Insert URI - freenet:CHK@PanOsuWC1PWAH6cUGvokHMoHbbMOAwI,3j5zNTs1aoAETcvySuWLJw
[16:37] <toad_> INFO: Native CPUID library 'freenet/support/CPUInformation/libjcpuid-x86-linux.so' loaded from resource
[16:37] <toad_> INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library 'net/i2p/util/libjbigi-linux-athlon.so' loaded from resource
[16:37] <toad_> The insert has been accepted; waiting up to 108 seconds for the StoreData
[16:37] <toad_> hmmm
[16:37] <toad_> it worked
[16:37] <toad_> it just took a while
[16:38] <toad_> can somebody try CHK@PanOsuWC1PWAH6cUGvokHMoHbbMOAwI,3j5zNTs1aoAETcvySuWLJw/verify.log please?
[16:38] <toad_> anyway it may still be stuck in IAWSD...
[16:39] <toad_> hmmm
[16:39] <toad_> it timed out
[16:39] <greycat> I got it, but the "force save to disk" hyperlink didn't force it to be saved by the *node*. Instead, it was saved by the *browser*.
[16:40] <toad_> :)
[16:40] <greycat> 11051 Oct 22 15:40 verify.log
[16:40] <toad_> confusing ui
[16:40] <plixed_> toad_: almost instantly
[16:40] <toad_> so how come we never get a StoreData then?
[16:40] <toad_> and why does it take so long to search a measly 1.4GB?
[16:40] <toad_> (log file)
[16:41] <plixed_> 1.4gig is a bit of data
[16:41] <toad_> sure, but it's not THAT much
[16:41] <plixed_> even with a 80mb/s raptor hd it takes a while
[16:42] <JustMe_> got your file Toad
[16:42] <toad_> this seems to be the base of the problem anyway..
[16:43] <toad_> somehow, even with pure 5096/5097, the StoreData isn't generated
[16:43] <toad_> or is lost along the way somewhere
[16:44] <toad_> it is however possible that the timeout was simply caused by the search
[16:44] <Ash-Fox> I remember this site on microsoft.com that talked about piracy, and pretty much, they had written this little javascript that increases a certain number a few times every seccond, and stored the data in a cookie... these numbers were supposed to show the rate of piracy in the world... anyway I left the browser open over night, and in the morning, the piracy number showed to be 10 times earth's population :P
[16:44] <toad_> the 2.6 kernel scheduler is very bad at background jobs
[16:45] <Ash-Fox> too bad I never took a snapshot of it and stuck it on slashdot :P
[16:45] * janonymous1 (4266ffffff@ti100710a080-5749.bb.online.no) has joined #freenet
[16:45] <toad_> hi janonymous1
[16:46] <Ash-Fox> Danger Will Robinson! Danger!
[16:46] <toad_> eh?
[16:47] <Ash-Fox> toad_, I take it you never watched old sci-fi series :P
[16:47] <janonymous1> Hi toad
[16:48] * Ash-Fox hums the Dr. Who theme tune
[16:48] <toad_> heh
[16:49] <toad_> that particular quote does not come from doctor who, it comes from something considerably less interesting
[16:49] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[16:49] <Ash-Fox> toad_, I know it doesn't
[16:49] <Ash-Fox> toad_, it was a test!
[16:50] <Ash-Fox> hmm... I shouldn't drink so much coca cola... rereading my sentences, I look like I'm some teenager...
[16:50] <janonymous1> Toad are you the main dev
[16:50] <toad_> yes
[16:52] <janonymous1> Word thought so
[16:56] <Ash-Fox> toad_, Oh god, the paperclip knows you
[16:57] * greycat does a "killall ftput" and watches all the COLLISIONs.
[16:57] <janonymous1> Is there anything i can help you? ;)
[16:58] <toad_> janonymous1: you could run a stable-reset node..
[16:58] <janonymous1> ... With?
[16:58] <Ash-Fox> java
[16:58] <greycat> and a computer
[16:58] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-5097-reset.jar
[16:58] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/reset-seednodes.ref
[16:58] <Ash-Fox> and not the java you drink
[16:59] <greycat> and remove the routing table files
[16:59] <toad_> java and a computer would help
[16:59] <Ash-Fox> don't forget a internet connection
[17:00] <janonymous1> Heh sorry. I was playing on ash's joke
[17:00] <d-ArkAngel> ram and HDD space is always good too ;-)
[17:00] * toad_ tries to reproduce the DumbInsertBug...
[17:00] <janonymous1> The paper clip
[17:02] <toad_> son of a .. now it won't do it..
[17:03] * spaetz is now known as spaetzAway
[17:03] <janonymous1> When i get a comp though..
[17:03] <toad_> lol
[17:04] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 9:04:15 PM:Transfer ended with 76045 bytes moved.
[17:04] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 9:05:06 PM:The query was restarted somewhere on Freenet after a node failed to reply, rejected, or had to increase the timeout, waiting another 548 seconds before I give up (TransferInsert -> IAWSD)
[17:04] <toad_> promising...
[17:06] <toad_> bbiab
[17:12] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 9:05:06 PM:The query was restarted somewhere on Freenet after a node failed to reply, rejected, or had to increase the timeout, waiting another 548 seconds before I give up (TransferInsert -> IAWSD)
[17:12] <toad_> it's now 9:14 PM
[17:13] <toad_> it'll time out in a minute
[17:13] <toad_> yup, it timed out
[17:14] * Xyzi (Nikklas@c-a88772d5.03-24-73746f42.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has left #freenet
[17:14] * toad_ finding it in the log...
[17:18] <Ash-Fox> toad_, what are you using now for payment services? instead of paypal that is?
[17:19] <hobx> I'll be your paypal
[17:19] <hobx> just pay me
[17:21] <d-ArkAngel> toad, what are you downloading from me?
[17:23] <toad_> hmmm
[17:23] <toad_> i think i see what may have happened...
[17:23] <toad_> Ash-Fox: paypal
[17:23] <toad_> they gave in, remember?
[17:24] <toad_> sadly, nobody uses anything else
[17:24] <toad_> this is most unfortunate
[17:24] <toad_> since paypal are well problematic
[17:25] <Ash-Fox> toad_ http://www.paypalsucks.com/options.shtml
[17:28] * d-ArkAngel can't visit the link due to massive internet bandwidth drain
[17:28] <Ash-Fox> d-ArkAngel, enable limiting on your freenet node
[17:28] <d-ArkAngel> it is
[17:29] <d-ArkAngel> I wish I could enable limits on my toad ;-)
[17:29] <greycat> if you're in linux, check lartc.org
[17:32] <d-ArkAngel> I don't understand how toad's rsync can cripple my whole network like it does... surely it's only a tcp connection....
[17:32] <d-ArkAngel> even freenet doesn't hurt this much
[17:33] * mazzanet (~mazzanet@mazzanet.user) Quit (Connection reset by peer)
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[17:34] <toad_> hmmmm
[17:35] <toad_> i may have found the answer to the hanging inserts, finally
[17:35] <Ash-Fox> Microsoft is to blame!
[17:35] <KenMan> cool
[17:35] <toad_> emphasis on "may"
[17:35] <JustMe_> Yeah!!!!
[17:35] <toad_> it may just be one of a hundred remaining insert bugs...
[17:36] <d-ArkAngel> which is
[17:36] <d-ArkAngel> ?
[17:36] <toad_> naturally the reset will need to be reset if this works...
[17:36] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[17:36] <KenMan> i am perplexed why a sim with no conn-flux has constantly declining success, albeit slow decline
[17:36] <Ash-Fox> toad_, how many years have you been working on freenet?
[17:36] <toad_> KenMan: because of DS flux
[17:36] <d-ArkAngel> why do we need a reset to fix it?
[17:36] <toad_> only a couple
[17:37] <KenMan> Ash-Fox: toad_ has been working on it for too years
[17:37] <KenMan> as in 'too many' ;)
[17:37] * KenMan does not jab toad_, only make a funny...
[17:37] <Ash-Fox> It's pretty amazing that freenet never really gets much faster :/
[17:38] <KenMan> if you run the bw numbers, it can't, really
[17:38] <d-ArkAngel> it does, it's just that it gets bigger too.
[17:38] <toad_> actually imho queueing has been a big success
[17:38] <Ash-Fox> KenMan, I know
[17:38] <toad_> with the exception of inserts, of course
[17:39] <Ash-Fox> my post on frost never made it :/
[17:39] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 9:40:20 PM:Transfer ended with 666976 bytes moved.
[17:39] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 9:40:21 PM:Insert URI - freenet:CHK@zNlR7Yv0bEIBIcyuGT4WCvSweD0UAwI,qrwiUdr4merVSBEEkD8Ubg
[17:39] <toad_> INFO: Native CPUID library 'freenet/support/CPUInformation/libjcpuid-x86-linux.so' loaded from resource
[17:39] <toad_> INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library 'net/i2p/util/libjbigi-linux-athlon.so' loaded from resource
[17:39] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 9:40:22 PM:The insert has been accepted; waiting up to 2284 seconds for the StoreData
[17:39] <toad_> don't fetch it yet...
[17:39] <Ash-Fox> toad_, I inserted it ages ago
[17:40] * greycat (~wooledg@192.35.79.70) Quit ("Lick Bush in '04")
[17:40] <KenMan> with 50 million unique requests over 1000 nodes, success slid from 35% down to 25% . No connection changes.
[17:40] <KenMan> I would expect, that if I gave each node 10X DS size, success would be better. I will try it, but it probably won't.
[17:40] <KenMan> And this perplexes me.
[17:41] <Ash-Fox> KenMan, it doesn't only perplex you
[17:41] <KenMan> heh, true
[17:42] <KenMan> Once I build a full set of data, for many different configs, I should have a better sense of how each variable affects the works.
[17:42] <toad_> CHK@6oFC89RFbvYC1XWZSV1RoHJOTIoRAwI,CSCPHKDRfTVahXXCupNz0g
[17:43] <toad_> that's /bin/nano
[17:43] <KenMan> The reason I like fixed connections is that it allows each route to 'develop' as precisely as possible.
[17:43] <toad_> CHK@yocPQl4CgWk5FACHLobelDkjSHUNAwI,L~h0rimtTf2Rf2Im4ZJ62w
[17:43] <toad_> that's some random html file from freemail
[17:44] * toad_ tries something a little bigger
[17:44] <KenMan> 3 is the minimum number of buckets, for SKBE s, right ?
[17:44] <KenMan> and the sky is the limit, within practical reason
[17:45] <toad_> bbiab
[17:45] <KenMan> cya
[17:47] * d-ArkAngel (~Rob@cpc2-midd2-5-0-cust16.midd.cable.ntl.com) Quit ("Documentation is like sex, when its good, its very good, when its bad, its better than nothing.")
[17:53] <Ash-Fox> blah :/
[17:53] * FallingBuzzard (~srademach@207.152.112.129) has left #freenet
[17:53] <Ash-Fox> freemail still hasn't been updated
[18:00] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 9:59:27 PM:Finished inserting data block 2:[1/1] (htl=1): SUCCEEDED
[18:00] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 9:59:27 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (14/28):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 14
[18:00] <toad_> Ash-Fox: probably won't be
[18:00] * Zorix- (Brandon@fl-69-34-0-219.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) has joined #freenet
[18:00] <toad_> it was suggested that we adopt it..
[18:01] <Ash-Fox> toad_, you mean make it part of the freenet node?
[18:01] <toad_> possibly just fold it into contrib or something
[18:01] <Ash-Fox> toad_, or take over development?
[18:01] <toad_> well, 50% inserted of the bigFile
[18:02] <Zorix-> new build soon?
[18:03] <Zorix-> stable
[18:03] <toad_> Ash-Fox: some or all of the above, yes
[18:03] <toad_> Zorix-: yes
[18:03] <Zorix-> eta?
[18:03] <toad_> but on the reset
[18:03] <toad_> not on the main branch
[18:03] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 10:04:20 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (16/28):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 12
[18:03] <toad_> around the time when the bigger insert finishes
[18:03] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 10:05:01 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (26/28):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 2
[18:03] <toad_> i'll want somebody to verify it of course
[18:03] <toad_> from within the forknet
[18:04] <toad_> but this 28 block splitfile seems to have gone straight through pretty much
[18:04] <toad_> which is VERY promising
[18:05] <toad_> smaller test insert: CHK@H2ap9Z-gnzvWQ7-mlbleE-8PreEQAwI,f-qXSEXMT~DqkDvez5TEFg
[18:06] <JustMe_> got CHK@H2ap9Z-gnzvWQ7-mlbleE-8PreEQAwI,f-qXSEXMT~DqkDvez5TEFg
[18:07] <toad_> okay, what about CHK@0JLDdzzdNHKdg9xqiw1RZ2q3RQkMAwI,F6qOVfKAtDgohrIagC-bjg/somethingorother.mpeg ?
[18:08] * Ash-Fox wounders who elses uses samizdat here
[18:08] <toad_> that file is probably technically copyrighted, however i doubt that the owners would mind too much
[18:09] <toad_> Ash-Fox: in the sense of photocopying stuff for friends, or in the sense of a p2p system?
[18:09] <toad_> an electronic p2p system :)
[18:10] <Ash-Fox> toad_, in the sense of the NNTP tool for freenet
[18:10] <toad_> Ash-Fox: sounds nice..
[18:11] <Ash-Fox> http://entropy.stop1984.com/files/samizdat-0.95.tar.gz
[18:11] * toad_ going to commit changes to cvs...
[18:14] * toad_ also has a stable jar with the changes...
[18:14] <toad_> btw has anyone managed to fetch my video yet?
[18:15] <toad_> from the forknet?
[18:15] * toad_ committing 60251
[18:15] <JustMe_> not the whole file yet Required Blocks: 19, Received Blocks: 15
[18:15] <Zorix-> you neglect the stable people :/
[18:16] <JustMe_> Required Blocks: 19, Received Blocks: 16
[18:18] <toad_> sorry
[18:18] <toad_> 1sec
[18:18] <toad_> okay
[18:21] <toad_> now, given the fixes, do we still want to reset stable?
[18:21] <toad_> or should we try just.. no
[18:21] <toad_> we DO want to reset stable
[18:21] <toad_> again :)
[18:21] <Ash-Fox> Baka
[18:21] <toad_> so this is 5098, which has lGB=5098
[18:22] <toad_> baka?
[18:22] <Zorix-> 5098?!
[18:22] <Ash-Fox> baka - stupid/idiot in japanese (not to be taken offensively)
[18:22] <toad_> like d'oh?
[18:23] <toad_> an unoffensive "you idiot!"
[18:23] <Ash-Fox> something like that
[18:23] * toad_ does a cross-diff, to see if there's anything else to merge
[18:24] <Zorix-> yea its been a month since last stable update
[18:25] <spaetzAway> well, I'll leave 5097 running for now. See you tomorrow
[18:25] * spaetzAway (~spaetz@217-162-197-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) Quit ("Verlassend")
[18:26] <JustMe_> Required Blocks: 19, Received Blocks: 18
[18:26] <JustMe_> Download finished successfully.
[18:26] <Zorix-> sheesh
[18:26] <JustMe_> got it
[18:26] <Zorix-> i want 5097 heh
[18:27] <toad_> awww
[18:29] * Zorix- is now known as Zorix
[18:36] <toad_> okay
[18:36] <toad_> 5098
[18:37] * toad_ rebuilding...
[18:37] * wobbly (~wobbly@174-217.242.81.adsl.skynet.be) Quit ("Leaving")
[18:39] * PasDNick (~PasDNick@bobillot-5-82-224-192-145.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #freenet
[18:44] * toad_ uploads the new jar...
[18:44] * janonymous1 (4266ffffff@ti100710a080-5749.bb.online.no) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[18:47] <toad_> done
[18:47] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-5098-reset.jar
[18:47] <toad_> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/reset-seednodes.ref
[18:47] <toad_> anyone want to try them?
[18:47] <toad_> Zorix: ?
[18:47] <toad_> Ash-Fox: ?
[18:47] <toad_> JustMe_: ?
[18:47] <toad_> KenMan: ?
[18:47] <Zorix> ?
[18:48] <toad_> please upgrade to 5098!
[18:48] <Zorix> how many nodes
[18:48] <toad_> use the above URLs
[18:48] <toad_> 1 at present :)
[18:48] <Zorix> hahaha
[18:48] <toad_> I want more!
[18:48] <Zorix> rename it to freenet.jar?
[18:48] <JustMe_> I will have it running in just a sec.
[18:48] <toad_> yup
[18:48] <toad_> and the latter to seednodes.ref
[18:48] <toad_> and wipe the RT, and change port
[18:49] <toad_> leave the DS alone
[18:49] <Zorix> why arent you putting it for the web update
[18:49] <toad_> because there's only 1 node
[18:50] <toad_> and i wouldn't want CofE updating automatically only to be completely blown
[18:50] <Zorix> haha
[18:52] <Ash-Fox> toad_, will do
[18:52] <toad_> anyone?
[18:52] <toad_> thanks Ash-Fox
[18:52] <toad_> yay, got one node
[18:53] <toad_> probably Zorix..
[18:53] <Zorix> not me yet
[18:53] <toad_> then perhaps JustMe_
[18:54] <Zorix> whats changed
[18:54] <toad_> woah
[18:54] <toad_> why am i transmitting 39
[18:54] <toad_> ?
[18:54] <toad_> he's probably running Frost... :)
[18:54] <toad_> partial changelog for 5098:
[18:54] * DebolazX (~debolaz@ti131310a080-2590.bb.online.no) has joined #freenet
[18:55] <toad_> 5098:
[18:55] <toad_> Major insert fixes.
[18:55] <toad_> - Deadlocks in IAWSD
[18:55] <toad_> - Continue despite collisions to the full HTL. See discussion on the list.
[18:55] <toad_> Make inserts continue on a key collision.
[18:55] <toad_> Support infrastructure for simulator code. e.g. clone() on many RT objects, serialization on many RT objects, CHK.randomKey(), Core.setupErrorLogging().
[18:55] <toad_> Lots of minor cleanups e.g. imports, logging.
[18:55] <toad_> Minor improvements e.g. add a write buffer to LoadSaveCheckpointed.
[18:55] <toad_> Simulator.
[18:55] <toad_> note that this is a reset
[18:55] <toad_> hi DebolazX
[18:55] * Debolaz (~debolaz@ti131310a080-2590.bb.online.no) Quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[18:55] * Zorix (Brandon@fl-69-34-0-219.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) has left #freenet
[18:55] <toad_> hmmm what happened to Zorix ?
[18:55] * Zorix (Brandon@fl-69-34-0-219.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) has joined #freenet
[18:56] <Zorix> shit wrong window
[18:56] <toad_> :)
[18:56] <Zorix> what did u post since i last said something
[18:56] <toad_> 3 restarted nodes...
[18:56] <toad_> 5098:
[18:56] <toad_> Major insert fixes.
[18:56] <toad_> - Deadlocks in IAWSD
[18:56] <toad_> - Continue despite collisions to the full HTL. See discussion on the list.
[18:56] <toad_> Make inserts continue on a key collision.
[18:56] <toad_> Support infrastructure for simulator code. e.g. clone() on many RT objects, serialization on many RT objects, CHK.randomKey(), Core.setupErrorLogging().
[18:56] <toad_> Lots of minor cleanups e.g. imports, logging.
[18:56] <toad_> Minor improvements e.g. add a write buffer to LoadSaveCheckpointed.
[18:56] <Ash-Fox> node started
[18:56] <JustMe_> no open connections here
[18:56] <toad_> Simulator.
[18:56] <toad_> Make 5098 mandatory and change protocol version; this is a reset.
[18:56] <toad_> that's the preliminary changelog
[18:56] <toad_> JustMe_: update the seednodes as well as the jar
[18:56] <JustMe_> I did let me redo it
[18:56] <Zorix> nice
[18:57] <Zorix> when are you going to update seednodes
[18:57] <Zorix> with the 3 or 4 others
[18:57] <toad_> 3 at the moment
[18:57] <toad_> you mean the reset-seednodes, or the master seednodes?
[18:58] <Zorix> the 5098 seednodes
[18:58] <Zorix> i dont wanna connect to just one node
[18:58] <Zorix> heh
[18:59] <toad_> 1mo
[18:59] <toad_> but it should find the others if you do requests
[19:00] <Zorix> k
[19:00] <toad_> done
[19:00] * d-ArkAngel (~Rob@cpc2-midd2-5-0-cust16.midd.cable.ntl.com) has joined #freenet
[19:00] <JustMe_> I'm connected now Toad
[19:00] <Zorix> ill join soon as theres like 5 or so
[19:00] <d-ArkAngel> what's cooking?
[19:00] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: 5098
[19:00] <Zorix> heh
[19:00] <toad_> which is also a reset :)
[19:01] <Zorix> how many connected nodes so far now
[19:01] <toad_> 4 plus me
[19:01] <Zorix> one more then i join
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[19:01] <d-ArkAngel> what's the crack and I'll add 2 more nodes
[19:02] <d-ArkAngel> oh toad I've dissabled rsync on hard-core
[19:02] <d-ArkAngel> my whole network is spending 50 min every hour being crippled by what ever the hell it's doing
[19:03] <d-ArkAngel> the cpu time is not a problem, but I don't have the bandwidth to give like that.
[19:03] <toad_> hmmm
[19:04] <toad_> what's .cn?
[19:04] <d-ArkAngel> no idea
[19:04] <toad_> .ch is switzerland, so .cn would be china? or taiwan?
[19:04] <Zorix> .cn = china
[19:04] <JustMe_> China
[19:04] <d-ArkAngel> what new files do I need for this new reset?
[19:04] <plixed> toad_: i forgot to wipe the RT manually, shall i take my node down and do it now? i just updated to 5098 but i did not wipe the RT when changing to 5097 thinking it is down automatically
[19:04] <toad_> so how did this guy even manage to post to support from a .yahoo.com.cn ?
[19:05] <toad_> plixed: noit needed
[19:05] <plixed> s/down/done/
[19:06] <d-ArkAngel> toad: links for the new seednode/jar files?
[19:06] <plixed> it's same as before, i think
[19:07] <plixed> the seednode file i mean
[19:07] * lostlogic (~lostlogic@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[19:07] <plixed> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-5098-reset.jar
[19:07] <plixed> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/reset-seednodes.ref
[19:12] <toad_> hmmm
[19:12] <toad_> there's no chance of editing the gmail archives is there?
[19:12] <toad_> i.e. deleting posts?
[19:12] <plixed> lol
[19:13] <toad_> plixed: i'm serious...
[19:13] <toad_> hmmm not gmail
[19:13] <toad_> the other gmail
[19:13] <toad_> the one we use for archives
[19:14] <toad_> gmane
[19:14] <plixed> do you want to stop the 5098 from spreading?
[19:14] <toad_> this fool.. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support/5578
[19:16] <toad_> plixed: no
[19:16] <toad_> i suppose it's too late
[19:16] <toad_> oh well there are idiots in every clime
[19:17] * plixed_ (~plixed@pD9E259BD.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[19:17] <toad_> hmmm
[19:19] <plixed> sorry, i thought you wanted to stop a too-quick-released announcement or so...
[19:19] <toad_> winzip reads tar archives, right?
[19:19] <toad_> the problem with zip is that it's crypto doesn't encrypt the filenames
[19:19] <plixed> winrar does, don't know about winzip
[19:20] <plixed> maybe the an encrypted rar is does it?
[19:21] <plixed> s/the//
[19:21] * toad_ sends him what he wants...
[19:22] <toad_> along with a prayer.. :|
[19:22] <d-ArkAngel> I've setup my two nodes on the 58 network
[19:22] <toad_> and then there were 6...
[19:23] * plixed ->sleep()
[19:23] <d-ArkAngel> both of mine have 20Gb datastores
[19:23] <d-ArkAngel> in case that's any help
[19:23] <toad_> i think the mail bounced...
[19:23] <toad_> but i'm not sure
[19:23] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[19:24] <toad_> i only sent it to him, so it can't have been support...
[19:24] <toad_> i suppose he'll just have to find a proxy, or a freenet-running associate...
[19:25] <toad_> they were all using freegate.. but that's gone now
[19:25] <toad_> the whole .cn angle terrifies me really..
[19:28] <d-ArkAngel> as long as they don't seen assasins you're probably safe.
[19:28] <toad_> heh
[19:28] <toad_> no point creating martyrs
[19:29] <toad_> well i suppose with the largely spineless open source community it might have some effect :)
[19:29] <toad_> but you can't guarantee success by assassinating people
[19:30] <toad_> you do it smart - you fit them up for child porn offences, or something similar - slime and disable, not publicly kill
[19:30] <toad_> anyway we have to hurt them first ;)
[19:31] <toad_> ah
[19:32] <Ash-Fox> child porn effences, piracy, attempting to create free speech in a free speech nation :P
[19:32] <toad_> my email is down
[19:32] <d-ArkAngel> ahh the subtle approcah, they've dissabled you're e-mail
[19:33] <JustMe_> uploaded with htl=4 CHK@Ghl9UErZBBtnfj~FwSRYlFyIalkLAwI,NSWeTs150miLgdwNZgZ9UA/freenet-5098-reset.jar
[19:35] <toad_> downloading...
[19:35] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: ever had your phone lines cut intentionally?
[19:35] * Ash-Fox had
[19:35] <d-ArkAngel> well...
[19:36] <d-ArkAngel> kinda
[19:36] <toad_> oh, did people get my video in the end? CHK@0JLDdzzdNHKdg9xqiw1RZ2q3RQkMAwI,F6qOVfKAtDgohrIagC-bjg/somethingorother.mpeg
[19:36] <d-ArkAngel> tho I think it was just spite
[19:36] <JustMe_> I got it with 5097
[19:36] * toad_ had.. once.. somewhere between hell and lawrence weston..
[19:37] <Ash-Fox> ... It's illegal in the UK to flash in a public area
[19:37] <toad_> got the jar
[19:37] <d-ArkAngel> I just got it now
[19:37] <d-ArkAngel> very fast
[19:37] <toad_> Ash-Fox: surprisingly enough it's illegal most places ;)
[19:38] <d-ArkAngel> (maybe it's on my node :-) )
[19:38] <JustMe_> :)
[19:38] * Ash-Fox is confused as to why showing part of your body is illegal
[19:38] <Ash-Fox> if you were in a sexual intercourse, that's indecentcie... but showing your thighs?
[19:39] <toad_> umm, i think flashing is a little more specific than that
[19:39] <d-ArkAngel> o wait I got an empty file ;-)
[19:39] <Ash-Fox> toad_, flashing is fully naked I know
[19:40] <Ash-Fox> toad_, if you have Sky Mix at home, turn it on (Advert atm)
[19:40] <toad_> no, it's public indecency
[19:40] <Ash-Fox> toad_, I'm just confused, because I've seen billboards that are worse :P
[19:43] <toad_> Ash-Fox: that's true..
[19:43] <toad_> i believe there are billboard regulators though..
[19:44] <toad_> also if a real human shows his organs, that is more offensive than if a sign does it anyway
[19:44] <toad_> okay, 6 connections
[19:45] <toad_> how to get more? my announcements will probably...
[19:46] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:47:19 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (18/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 16
[19:46] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:47:22 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (19/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 15
[19:46] <d-ArkAngel> LOL
[19:46] <toad_> getting there...
[19:46] <d-ArkAngel> given your recent conversation
[19:46] <d-ArkAngel> I read that to be....
[19:46] <toad_> ugh
[19:46] <toad_> yeah, i know
[19:46] <d-ArkAngel> Inserting_Bollocks
[19:46] <toad_> if you say it i'll kick you... ah, okay, i'll let you off
[19:46] <toad_> ;)
[19:47] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:47:58 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (20/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 14
[19:47] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:48:35 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (21/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 13
[19:47] <toad_> anyone got any more test inserts?
[19:47] <Redb3ard> what, you mean you can publish stuff on freenet?
[19:47] * d-ArkAngel fears being kicked as he is sitting here in just his pants having gotten up through inability to sleep
[19:48] <toad_> Redb3ard: at least on 5098...
[19:48] * Redb3ard checks that the date isnt april 1st
[19:48] <toad_> Redb3ard: which you have upgraded to, right?
[19:48] <toad_> Redb3ard: it's a reset, you need special jar and seednodes
[19:48] <Redb3ard> no, i havent yet
[19:48] <toad_> 5098 fixes a bunch of insert bugs
[19:49] <toad_> and makes inserts continue despite collisions
[19:49] <toad_> it may take an hour to insert an MP3.. but it's POSSIBLE
[19:49] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:50:38 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (22/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 12
[19:49] <d-ArkAngel> toad how d I insert something? was going to do something crazy like insert a 300Mb file and leave it running overnight to see how it gets on
[19:50] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:52:06 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (23/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 11
[19:50] <Redb3ard> ive never tried to insert anything bigger than a 30k file
[19:50] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: good idea
[19:52] <toad_> okay, what am i doing now?
[19:52] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:53:40 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (24/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 10
[19:52] <d-ArkAngel> standing on one leg?
[19:52] <toad_> what am I doing now for freenet ?
[19:52] <d-ArkAngel> standing on one leg?
[19:52] <d-ArkAngel> ;-)
[19:52] <d-ArkAngel> sorry
[19:53] <toad_> if you can arrange some major sponsorship :)
[19:53] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:53:40 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (24/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 10
[19:53] <toad_> doh
[19:54] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:55:19 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (25/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 9
[19:54] <toad_> hmmm
[19:54] * toad_ goes to get some supplies
[19:55] <toad_> Redb3ard: http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-5098-reset.jar and http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/reset-seednodes.ref
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[20:00] <toad_> Oct 22, 2004 11:59:15 PM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (31/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 3
[20:00] <toad_> aha
[20:00] <KenMan> hah ahh ?
[20:01] <toad_> Oct 23, 2004 12:03:09 AM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (32/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 2
[20:02] <KenMan> ahh...
[20:02] <toad_> Oct 23, 2004 12:03:19 AM:INSERTING_BLOCKS (33/34):[1/1] queued: 0 running: 1
[20:03] <toad_> hmmm
[20:03] <toad_> will 256MB be enough to run useful sims on?
[20:04] <KenMan> reduce nodes, or reduce RT. I'm surprised. I figured you would jerk your knee and say no.
[20:05] <KenMan> I'm running 1000x10 in 202MB (60M reqs...)
[20:05] * toad_ was thinking of running the 200x25@15 on it...
[20:05] <KenMan> 256MB definitely should be enough.
[20:05] <toad_> yes, and nobody will use a network that does 25% psuccess
[20:06] <KenMan> except the scumbag losers who frequent this group (oops, now toad is kicking me)
[20:06] <KenMan> ;)
[20:06] <toad_> except them, yes
[20:06] <toad_> yay, 7 nodes...
[20:06] <KenMan> hey you scumbags (you know who you are), i was only kidding.
[20:07] <toad_> yay, it's inserting the metadata...
[20:07] <KenMan> what caused the need for reset ?
[20:07] <toad_> CHK@B6LTlDlJ1jpd395wM-J0l1EBo7oMAwI,iHHj1JLhRfL4Vz65gfsMJQ/moyo.mp3
[20:07] <toad_> KenMan: insert bugs
[20:07] <toad_> of course
[20:07] <toad_> somebody please test fetch that url from the 5098 fork?
[20:07] <KenMan> ahh. How about fixed keys. Got any time-sense of when you might try that out ?
[20:08] <toad_> simulations first
[20:08] <toad_> but the inserts problem needed to be dealt with urgently
[20:11] <d-ArkAngel> I'm testing that fine now
[20:11] <d-ArkAngel> got 4/23 so far
[20:12] <d-ArkAngel> 7/23
[20:12] <JustMe_> Got moyo.mp3 here.
[20:12] <toad_> cool
[20:12] <d-ArkAngel> :-P
[20:13] * toad_ puts an ISO
[20:13] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: anything you want to talk about as a result of the notes i sent you?
[20:14] <d-ArkAngel> I've not had chance to digest them really. I'm still learning, but it all seems about right.... I'll put some notes of my own together tomorrow morning which you can look at to make sure I'm thinking along the same lines.
[20:15] <d-ArkAngel> I need to get some sleep, got a headache, been a shitty day all told
[20:15] <d-ArkAngel> things will look better in the morning, and if not I'll drown my sorrows in java sim code :-)
[20:15] <d-ArkAngel> night all
[20:15] <toad_> okay, seeya
[20:16] <d-ArkAngel> (14/23 blocks of the mp3 now btw)
[20:16] <toad_> the intention is that i'll implement your Big Idea
[20:16] <toad_> but not before we've discussed it further
[20:16] <d-ArkAngel> yeah indeed
[20:16] <d-ArkAngel> you know the lay of the land a lot better than me
[20:17] <KenMan> better than anyone, at this point, to be sure !
[20:17] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[20:17] <d-ArkAngel> except maybe the team of analysts in china working towards foiling us :-)
[20:18] <d-ArkAngel> you know the ones that are more sublte than the assisins
[20:18] * d-ArkAngel clearly should be asleep
[20:18] <d-ArkAngel> night all
[20:19] <toad_> heh, they don't know it as well as the other lot :)
[20:20] <KenMan> but this lot is all we get to talk to, so...
[20:20] <KenMan> we do our best :)
[20:21] <JustMe_> Test insert with HTL=7 CHK@VyN06s9cXtN8JSk530Rtizr~5akLAwI,XPq4-po9DQfwdx2kpJQC0A/freenet-5097-reset.jar
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[20:24] <d-ArkAngel> oh 9min 21sec to retrive that mp3 by the way
[20:24] <d-ArkAngel> night all
[20:24] * d-ArkAngel (~Rob@cpc2-midd2-5-0-cust16.midd.cable.ntl.com) Quit ("Documentation is like sex, when its good, its very good, when its bad, its better than nothing.")
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[20:35] <toad_> bbl
[20:37] <toad_> surprising number of restarts on the really-big-block-inserts...
[20:39] <toad_> 20 threads for an ISO insert is a bit low.. but with only 7 nodes more wouldn't be sensible
[20:47] <dxlvi> o.0
[20:47] <dxlvi> i'm new to freenet
[20:47] * lolo-laptop (~lostlogic@68.251.84.226) Quit ("Client exiting")
[20:47] <dxlvi> should i run the "unstable network"? does it have the stuff from the "stable" one, or they are tho distinct freenets?
[20:48] * DebolazX is now known as Debolaz
[20:50] <Zorix> completely different
[20:50] <Zorix> some stuff is on both tho
[20:52] <dxlvi> Zorix, i see :)
[20:57] <dxlvi> and is it normal if i get connection refused on 127.0.0.1:8888 fairly often?
[21:09] <toad_> only if you are using it very heavily
[21:09] <toad_> e.g. you have lots and lots of windows open
[21:10] <toad_> bbl zzz
[21:10] <dxlvi> hm
[21:10] <dxlvi> well i have about 50 windows open :D
[21:11] <dxlvi> s/windows/tabs/
[21:12] <dxlvi> hm
[21:13] <toad_> well apart from the browser limit, which you presumably have overridden, there is a node limit of 24-36 simultaneous HTTP connections
[21:13] <toad_> :|
[21:13] <dxlvi> and the first `splitfile download' i tried fails... but if i retry, it always gets farther...
[21:13] <dxlvi> is there a way to make it automatically retry?
[21:13] <toad_> one way to improve this is to increase your maximumThreads, but that will also probably cause it to use more CPU usage
[21:13] <toad_> dxlvi: yes
[21:13] <toad_> look at the form before it actually downloads
[21:13] <toad_> there's lots of boxes
[21:13] <dxlvi> oh
[21:14] <toad_> one says "number of retries" or something similar
[21:14] <dxlvi> yeah, it had many
[21:14] <toad_> i think the limit is 50
[21:14] <dxlvi> toad_, cool thanks :)
[21:14] <toad_> bbl
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[21:38] <mazzanet> whats rfc1413 greycat
[21:39] <greycat> ident protocol
[21:40] <greycat> so.... what's up with the reset-stable-5097-test network? I've got 0 connections.
[21:40] <mazzanet> heh
[21:40] <mazzanet> heh
[21:40] <mazzanet> -heh
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[21:56] * greycat listens to the crickets chirping
[21:58] <greycat> thank god for the channel logs.
[22:18] <Redb3ard> hah
[22:18] <Redb3ard> whats up?
[22:18] <greycat> 5097 is gone, 5098 exists. that's why my 5097 was so lonely.: )
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[22:25] <greycat> j #hpux
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