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[3:08] <kevloral> g'morning all
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[3:50] <ShaunMacPherson> Hackers can sense totalitarianism approaching from a distance, as animals can sense an approaching thunderstorm. http://paulgraham.com/gba.html
[3:51] <spaetz> heh, that is a good quote.
[3:51] <ShaunMacPherson> ya lol follow the link for a good essay
[3:52] <ShaunMacPherson> where the quote is from
[3:52] <spaetz> yep, will do :)
[3:52] <ShaunMacPherson> :))
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[7:08] <kevloral> g'morning all
[7:08] <d-ArkAngel> mornin'
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[11:45] <Redb3ard> hey guys
[11:46] <Redb3ard> what do you think of the usefulness of email encryption via openssl?
[11:47] <greycat> not very useful IMHO
[11:48] <d-ArkAngel> for connecting to your mail server? or for encrypting the body of an e-mail?
[11:48] <Redb3ard> encrypting the body of the email
[11:48] <Redb3ard> greycat, why?
[11:49] <Redb3ard> duplication of pgp's efforts?
[11:49] <d-ArkAngel> never used it for that. I've always used pgp (well gpg but pgp were first)
[11:49] <greycat> I assumed you meant SMTP over SSL.
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[12:13] <Redb3ard> hah
[12:14] <Redb3ard> its gonna be easier than i thought... mozilla mail extensions can interact with the command line, using only jscript and XUL
[12:22] <hobx_> mail extensions that can issue shell commands are always good.
[12:23] <Redb3ard> didnt say it was good
[12:23] <Redb3ard> nor even arbitrary shell commands
[12:25] <Redb3ard> you do have a point though, i should be careful how i do this
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[12:35] <d-ArkAngel> is there a reason to use ssl when gpg is already easy to implement, and used quite a bit?
[12:37] <jay> ssl over smtp?
[12:37] <jay> it will encrypt your user/password
[12:38] <jay> smtp is plaintext
[12:38] <d-ArkAngel> no he's using ssl for message body encryption.
[12:38] <jay> who's that?
[12:38] <d-ArkAngel> in place of pgp/gpg
[12:38] <d-ArkAngel> [16:19] <Redb3ard> its gonna be easier than i thought... mozilla mail extensions can interact with the command line, using only jscript and XUL
[12:39] <jay> i don't get it.. but that's me
[12:39] <jay> on the other side won't an SSL encrypted body be decrypted anyway?
[12:39] <d-ArkAngel> I don't get it either ;-) hence me asking why he's doing it.
[12:39] <jay> only secure from point to point
[12:39] <jay> heh
[12:45] <Redb3ard> i admit, it duplicates the effect that pgp provides
[12:46] <Redb3ard> the only difference being the crypto that each uses, el-gamal and i think SSL is rsa
[12:47] <d-ArkAngel> from memory I think gpg supports a number of different algols...
[12:47] <d-ArkAngel> not sure if rsa is in that number
[12:48] <d-ArkAngel> indeed it is
[12:49] <d-ArkAngel> when creating a key you can chose el-gamal + dsa, dsa or rsa
[12:56] <Redb3ard> darkangel, why: im using openssl for everything *but* email encryption
[12:56] <Redb3ard> sort of seems natural to use it for everything
[12:57] <d-ArkAngel> but if no-one else is using it :-)
[12:57] <d-ArkAngel> anyway, each to their own :-)
[12:58] <d-ArkAngel> time for me to go offline.
[12:58] <d-ArkAngel> maybe catch you later on.
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[14:01] <Redb3ard> darkangel, im running a mailserver on my private network, so yeh, everyone else would use it
[14:01] <Redb3ard> in theory
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[17:02] <d-ArkAngel> toad_: dual oppy server is back to 24x7 opteration you should be ok to use it again
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[18:49] <kevloral> g'evening all
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