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[12:55] * Set by toad_ on Fri Sep 24 14:57:57 EDT 2004
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[13:34] <toad_> hi
[13:36] <Redb3ard> hi
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[13:46] <Redb3ard> anyone want an invitation to a experimental VPN network im trying to get up an running? (last time i'll ask, i promise)
[13:46] <Redb3ard> bah, wrong channel
[13:46] <Redb3ard> nevermind
[13:47] <Redb3ard> crap, my control key is dead
[13:49] <toad_> :)
[13:52] <Redb3ard> i always use the left key, and its gone
[13:52] <Redb3ard> guess i have to find a keyboard on ebay for this thing
[14:02] <toad_> bbl
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[15:12] <nextgens> hi
[15:12] <Toast> Hi all. Haven't seen any traffic on dev or tech recently. They still active?
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[15:37] <cornetto> c'? qlc italiano che mi vuole aiutare
[15:37] <cornetto> who helps me with freenet
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[17:14] <greycat> RETRY #17: Greg_Wooledge/index.html
[17:14] <greycat> RETRY #18: Greg_Wooledge/index.html
[17:14] <greycat> COLLISION: file #73/132 index.html (70563, text/html)
[17:15] <greycat> :-/
[17:24] <hobx> "ABC News: Winslet Scoffs at Rumors About Her Wait" Am I missing the pun or does somebody need to work on their editing?
[17:25] <hobx> (and no, I'm not reading the celebrity section, it was on Google News=
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[18:30] <dystopia> Winslet???
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[18:48] <Ash-Fox> toad_, just woundering if you might have some use for this: http://pmd.sourceforge.net/
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[20:05] <KenMan> where is that toad_ ??
[20:06] <toad_> hi
[20:07] <toad_> KenMan: speak now, or wait at least 14 hours...
[20:07] <d-ArkAngel> hi toad
[20:08] <KenMan> hi toad... thanks for the email response !
[20:08] <toad_> hi
[20:08] <d-ArkAngel> I'm leaving the server to run till tomorrow night, is there anything you want me to do as I shut it down tomorrow.
[20:09] <toad_> no
[20:09] <d-ArkAngel> cool.
[20:09] <KenMan> I have a sim running at 58M requests, the estimators just keep learning better (with no conn flux) :)
[20:10] <KenMan> actually, I'm not recording the success per cycle, so I can't make one of your plots though :( I don't know, it might be finished learning by now... I'll let it go some more though and see.
[20:11] <KenMan> 1000x5x8HTLx600DS learned much faster than this config 1000x9x6HTLx600DS
[20:13] <KenMan> even if this doesn't produce any meaningful data for the project, I'm learning a lot. Good job building a decent sim foundation, toad_ ! thanks .
[20:13] <d-ArkAngel> yeah, if there's less connections then there's less peers for each node to learn about...
[20:13] <toad_> ummm
[20:13] <KenMan> but, a node's choices become more distinctly recognizable sooner in this situation
[20:13] <toad_> unless you've changed it a lot, you should have the success data
[20:14] <d-ArkAngel> and the HTL increase improves routeing better.
[20:14] <KenMan> i am not redirecting the output like you do... just watching it on the screen.
[20:14] <KenMan> i am dumping the per node load, success, and local success however.
[20:15] <KenMan> come on, you have to know by now that I'm going to wrench it around a bit ;)
[20:15] <d-ArkAngel> if you want to watch and record, pipe it to a file in a background thread then do tail -f <filename>
[20:15] <KenMan> d-ArkAngel: aww, that's too clever for me :o
[20:15] * KenMan isn't kidding
[20:16] <d-ArkAngel> it's easy enough
[20:16] <KenMan> do share - i'll listen :)
[20:16] <d-ArkAngel> java ..... > ~/freenet_sim_log.txt &
[20:16] <toad_> well, i've been working on serialization
[20:16] <KenMan> oh, wait. I know what you mean. Never mind (duh)
[20:16] <toad_> it serializes out fine
[20:17] <toad_> but when it reads it in it runs absurdly and increasingly slowly
[20:17] <d-ArkAngel> tail -f ~/freenet_sim_log.txt
[20:17] <toad_> so first a cycle takes 10 minutes
[20:17] <toad_> then 20 minutes
[20:17] <toad_> then 30 minutes...
[20:17] <toad_> then 40 hours...
[20:17] <d-ArkAngel> weird...
[20:17] <KenMan> terrific ! I've been thinking about fitting some more for loops around the whole thing to run through several configs. The trick is spelling out the proper amount of requests to run per config...
[20:17] <toad_> :|
[20:18] <KenMan> serialization is terrific. Slowness, well, I thought you were used to that by now.
[20:18] <d-ArkAngel> I need some sleep, I'll take a look.
[20:19] <KenMan> wheee, chat wid y'all later :)
[20:19] <d-ArkAngel> tomorrow, once I've rebooted
[20:19] <d-ArkAngel> night all.
[20:19] <KenMan> night d-ArkAngel ...
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[20:20] <KenMan> say toad, can I preserve the serialization state for multiple runs/configs ??
[20:20] <toad_> KenMan: exponential slowness...
[20:20] <KenMan> bleecch
[20:20] <toad_> it goes up to maybe 200 seconds
[20:20] <toad_> normally
[20:20] <toad_> it STARTS AT 600 seconds after restarting after serializing in
[20:21] <KenMan> owww !
[20:21] <KenMan> what config ? 800x50x30 or something ?
[20:21] <KenMan> what does it run at w/o serialization loading in ?
[20:24] <toad_> that's what i just said
[20:24] <toad_> normally, it slowly increases to maybe 220secs
[20:24] <toad_> whereas if you reload it via serialization, it starts at 600, and goes up.. a lot...
[20:24] <toad_> so there's some serious bug somewhere
[20:24] <KenMan> I guess it is about time to start picking apart the estimators, to see how they look... that will take some time, no doubt. You never know, maybe they are not optimal.
[20:24] <KenMan> Well, that's why I'm happy starting from where you was at before your re-factoring...
[20:25] <KenMan> you've got just enough code to do lots of good stuff, and yet I can still understand much of it :)
[20:25] <KenMan> and still wrench it around :o
[20:26] <KenMan> I would (you probably would also) rather be in tight sync with you, but I'm content to go off on my own little tangent. Maybe I'll discover something useful.
[20:28] <KenMan> There are a lot of knobs. Nodes. RT size. HTL. DS size. Buckets. PCACHING. nooby counts. and all the other options.
[20:31] <KenMan> you used PCACHING in deciding whether to attempt a new connect(), i think , in Node.run() - the shouldReference() call
[20:31] <KenMan> i don't quite understand it yet though. all in good time.
[20:33] <KenMan> will play more later - keep up the good (focused) work, toad_ !!
[20:43] <toad_> KenMan: i thought i used the probabilistic reference flag?
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