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IRC Log for 2004-10-16

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[1:44] <mindphasr> When running tspc it just sits at Connecting to server... has server changed?
[2:05] <ShaunMacPherson> not sure
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[5:26] <nextgens> hi
[5:36] <nextgens> I've got that in my logfile today :-(
[5:36] <nextgens> Oct 16, 2004 1:27:15 AM (freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop, Network writing thread, ERROR): Caught throwable in AbstractSelectorLoop!: java.lang.Exception
[5:36] <nextgens> java.lang.Exception
[5:36] <nextgens> at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:847)
[5:36] <nextgens> at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.run(WriteSelectorLoop.java:794)
[5:36] <nextgens> at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
[5:36] <nextgens> after many OOMs
[5:38] <nextgens> and this one
[5:38] <nextgens> Oct 16, 2004 1:23:18 AM (freenet.PeerHandler, Network reading thread, ERROR): Failed to remove freenet.MuxConnectionHandler@1aefa92 on freenet.PeerHandler@9381d9 (DSA(5425 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!3
[5:38] <nextgens> 25 cc66 !!!!!!!!!!!!!),tcp/!!!!!!!!!!!!:!!!!!!!!!!!!!, sessions=1, presentations=3, ID=DSA(5425!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!cc66 1942 076a 9fb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!c2), version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5096): ou
[5:38] <nextgens> tbound attempts=1:5/6, CH not registered with this PH
[5:38] <nextgens> java.lang.Exception: debug
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[8:05] <d-ArkAngel> morning all
[8:06] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> morning angel
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[8:07] <i2p_iip> <newsbyte> I can assure you, I'm back in my original pessimistic mood! Freenet sucks! and all that... :-)
[8:10] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
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[10:49] <toad_> nextgens: here?
[10:49] <nextgens> toad_: back ;-)
[10:49] <toad_> saw your message above
[10:50] <toad_> how are you running Freenet?
[10:50] <nextgens> I keept my logfile : do you want me to mail it to you ?
[10:50] <toad_> e.g. are you using start-freenet.sh?
[10:50] <nextgens> yes
[10:50] <toad_> okay, and what does it say when you start it?
[10:51] <nextgens> you've got an account on my box : do you want to give it a try ?
[10:51] <nextgens> nothing special
[10:51] <toad_> what exactly does it say?
[10:51] <nextgens> since several days, I ..
[10:51] <toad_> it should show the command line it's running
[10:51] <nextgens> i'll check ...
[10:52] * nextgens restarting node
[10:52] <toad_> and how long had it been running before it started to OOM?
[10:52] <nextgens> Detected freenet-ext.jar
[10:52] <nextgens> Detected freenet.jar
[10:52] <nextgens> Sun java detected.
[10:52] <nextgens> Sun Java 1.4.2 detected.
[10:52] <nextgens> Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main
[10:52] <nextgens> Done
[10:52] <nextgens> INFO: Native CPUID library 'freenet/support/CPUInformation/libjcpuid-x86-linux.so' loaded from resource
[10:52] <nextgens> INFO: Native CPUID library 'freenet/support/CPUInformation/libjcpuid-x86-linux.so' loaded from resource
[10:52] <nextgens> INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library 'net/i2p/util/libjbigi-linux-pentium3.so' loaded from resource
[10:53] <nextgens> that's all
[10:53] <toad_> okay
[10:53] <toad_> the -Xmx128m is probably too low
[10:53] <toad_> how much ram do you have?
[10:53] <nextgens> 319728k
[10:53] <nextgens> but it swaps ...
[10:54] <toad_> well it might work better with -Xmx192M
[10:54] <nextgens> even I only run freenet and fuqid on my box :-(
[10:54] * nextgens editing start-freenet.sh
[10:55] <nextgens> shall I change this ? JAVA_ARGS="-XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m $JAVA_ARGS"
[10:55] <d-ArkAngel> my node has crashed with oom's twice since I started running it, but it takes about 7-12 days to happen. I guess should be doing that kinda thing too?
[10:56] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: odd
[10:56] <toad_> suggests some sort of cumulative leak
[10:56] <toad_> the linux 2.6 kernel scheduler is wonderful in so many ways, but one thing it will NOT do is let me run simulations and run freenet at the same time without serious consequences
[10:56] <nextgens> toad_: I'm running java with -server directive : shall I remove it?
[10:56] <d-ArkAngel> it could also be the size of the data store, I've alocated 30Gb which it's only slowly filling.
[10:57] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: maybe...
[10:57] <toad_> nextgens: don't know
[10:57] <d-ArkAngel> does freenet need to hold the index in memory?
[10:57] <toad_> yes, of course
[10:57] <toad_> otherwise you'd need a disk access on every request
[10:57] <toad_> which would be very bad!
[10:57] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[10:58] * nextgens : trying to use DDC
[10:58] <d-ArkAngel> store is up to 5.8Gb so far.
[10:58] <toad_> why is eclipse being silly?
[10:59] <toad_> every time it autocompletes it moves down to the next line
[10:59] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[10:59] <toad_> nextgens: doesn't seem to want your logfile for some strange reason
[11:00] <nextgens> toad_: lol
[11:00] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[11:00] <d-ArkAngel> I've just tried to view a freenet page in IE for the first time
[11:00] <d-ArkAngel> I love that warning :-)
[11:01] <toad_> it used to say "Internet Explorer Sucks..." with an adequate explanation
[11:01] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[11:01] <toad_> but even with the explanation, people would still shout about it
[11:01] <toad_> so we had to change it :|
[11:10] * toad_ thought "internet explorer sucks" was a good summary of the situation...
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[11:11] <d-ArkAngel> it's a good summary of just about any situation :-)
[11:11] <toad_> why does eclipse's cursor always jump down 1 to several lines after an autocomplete?
[11:12] * d-ArkAngel doesn't use eclipse, and didn't write it neither
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[11:49] <nextgens> toad_: ping
[12:00] <toad_> hi
[12:36] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad is immoral
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[13:10] <KenMan> <gott> toad is immoral - is that why you are always hugging him ? You feel bad for his horrendous lack of morals ?
[13:11] <KenMan> or is it something else ?
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[14:01] <toad_> hmmmm
[14:01] <toad_> what is causing this OOM...
[14:01] <toad_> what's the odds that heap profiling fails when we OOM? even?
[14:03] <KenMan> better than 50:50, i guess
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[14:13] * toad_ hmmm
[14:13] <toad_> brute force and ignorance method: just give it more ram, it's probably some stupid jvm bug :)
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[14:29] <Redb3ard> so guys
[14:30] <Redb3ard> whats knew in the universe of freenet?
[14:30] <toad_> hmm?
[14:30] <toad_> i've almost got restartable/serializable simulations working...
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[14:31] <toad_> wb sanity :)
[14:32] <sanity> toad: thanks
[14:33] <toad_> <Redb3ard> so guys
[14:33] <toad_> <Redb3ard> whats knew in the universe of freenet?
[14:33] <toad_> <toad_> hmm?
[14:33] <toad_> <toad_> i've almost got restartable/serializable simulations working...
[14:34] <toad_> sanity: also from this data we should be able to inspect the routing tables at each checkpoint
[14:34] <Redb3ard> cool
[14:35] <toad_> but i haven't coded the code needed to actually dump them yet - but they are saved in the checkpoint files
[14:35] * toad_ got two sims running, one forked from the first
[14:35] <sanity> toad: that is cool
[14:35] <toad_> will commit
[14:36] * toad_ doesn't save the state of the RNG so they'll diverge slightly
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[14:40] <sanity> any interesting results?
[14:41] <toad_> sanity: I'm not sure whether 800x50 converges to a usable success ratio at a reasonable HTL
[14:43] <toad_> sanity: d-ArkAngel has a scheme that me and him have fleshed out a bit but has yet to be implemented, that may significantly speed up routing and therefore simulations
[14:43] <Redb3ard> bah
[14:43] <sanity> at what ratios of inserts to requests?
[14:44] <sanity> i mean, we should be able to determine what the insert/request ratio is on the live network pretty easily, right?
[14:45] <toad_> sanity: about 1:25, with us requesting the last #nodes*storeSizeInKeys*0.025 keys inserted
[14:45] <toad_> that's the basis of the current results
[14:46] <toad_> which go roughly 11 HTL at 100x25, 16 HTL at 200x25, 22 (23?) HTL at 400x50, ? HTL at 800x50
[14:50] <toad_> bbiab
[14:57] <KenMan> wait, what about the storeSize parameter ? Are we happy that it is well-chosen ? I'm examining how it affects success now...
[15:06] <KenMan> curious, doubling the storeSize seems to have had no effect on success :o
[15:07] <KenMan> i guess toad tuned it so that he saw a certain amount of "Still in store" key-loss
[15:08] <KenMan> I'm seeing .984 key retention ...
[15:10] <KenMan> Have British chaps adjusted their clocks for winter yet ? We Yanks will be making the adjustment in about 2 weeks..
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[15:27] <KenMan> I'm running 500 nodes, 20RT, 16htl, DS=600. Success per cycle (0.51) is the same as it was for DS=300 !!
[15:28] <KenMan> I really expected it to have SOME measurable impact.
[15:31] <KenMan> success is inversely proportional to load (# requests). This holds true in real life.
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[15:41] <KenMan> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/FreeNet/500x20x16x600.png
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[16:55] <KenMan> I wonder if it is valid to run with RT=7 ? I don't see why not. I mean, the comparisons still take place. Silly to worry about anonymity or attacks inside of a sim. Makes it run much faster as well.
[16:56] <KenMan> every routing gets a choice of 6 peers. That should be enough to allow some choice in the matter.
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[17:53] <toad_> bbl zzz, back on monday
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