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[3:13] <hobbs> hey T3
[3:13] <T3chni> sup
[3:14] <hobbs> not a whole lot. Wondering why I'm on IRC and not asleep
[3:14] <T3chni> heh
[3:14] <T3chni> That could be difficult to answer
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[6:03] <hephro0> what is the state of freenet on kaffe or gcj or any other fully open-source VM?
[6:04] <hobbs> hephro0: not all there yet, due to lack of complete support from classpath, but hope remains.
[6:05] <hobbs> hephro0: and by "not all there yet", I mean that as-is, on a good day you might get it to do _something_, but in no case will you get it to do something _useful_.
[6:08] <hephro0> hobbs: I see... it is a bit of a pity
[6:10] <hobbs> hephro0: from what I hear, there's some communication between freenet people and classpath people, and they're trying to get things into shape. But it's not necessarily easy :)
[6:13] <hephro0> hobbs: ok, that sounds a bit better than a year ago... but progress seems to be pretty slow
[6:15] <hephro0> another question: are there ways to make freenet run on a machine with only 128M RAM?
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[11:21] <toad_> Jonva: so it only happens in simple mode?
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[13:27] <toad_> :)
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[13:40] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, I have some news for you that you might not like
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[13:43] <KenMan> gott: what is the bad news ? Is it that "you LOVE toad, and want to HUG him" ?
[13:43] <greycat> how's that bad?
[13:43] <toad_> lol
[13:48] <toad_> gott: i'm here
[13:50] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, you are not a fan of post-modernism, correct ?
[13:51] <toad_> [OT] depends what you mean by post-modernism :). I am not a fan of moral relativism, the concept that the only thing that is (absolutely) wrong is to say that something is (absolutely) wrong
[13:52] <toad_> brb
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[13:52] <i2p_iip> <gott> would you agree that art is a major spreader of such evil ideas, toad ?
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[14:00] <toad_> no
[14:00] <toad_> well maybe
[14:00] <toad_> i dunno
[14:00] * toad_ does know that he should get on with some work
[14:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, you are a palladin.
[14:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> you make Armenius look like a peon.
[14:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> you are so beautiful.
[14:03] <toad_> who is armenius?
[14:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> He is Hermann the Cheruschan.
[14:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> Staple of the Germanic Tribes.
[14:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> He destroyed you Romans.
[14:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> But you transcend race, toad.
[14:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> You are the digital warrior.
[14:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> Glorious and proud.
[14:05] <i2p_iip> <gott> Stand tall !
[14:05] <i2p_iip> <gott> We shall never let you fall !
[14:08] * toad_ hmmz, how am I supposed to respond to that... I could be brutally honest, that wouldn't be very tactful though...
[14:08] <toad_> gott: you're crazy
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[14:11] <plixed> toad_: i am not so sure about that
[14:12] <i2p_iip> <gott> let's discuss my sanity
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[14:17] <T3chni> rofl
[14:17] <T3chni> this is great
[14:18] <toad_> hmm?
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[14:19] <T3chni> toad, I worship you as well.
[14:20] <toad_> for what, costing the project $20K and not getting freenet to work?
[14:21] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, we have loyalty in you. Freenet may be a sinking ship but we will gladly go down with her !
[14:21] <toad_> you have pretty low standards!
[14:22] <i2p_iip> <gott> that's what your girlfriend says
[14:23] <i2p_iip> <gott> ( OUCH )
[14:25] <hobx> Shouldn't that be "just like your girlfriend"
[14:26] <toad_> hobx: good point, I was trying to figure out what he meant
[14:26] <plixed> reminds me of monkey island ;-)
[14:28] <T3chni> heh
[14:28] <T3chni> toad, how does freenet not work?
[14:31] <i2p_iip> <gott> I was suggesting that I am s3x0ring your girlfriend who has a low self-esteem herself
[14:32] <toad_> ah, not satisfied with all the porn then?
[14:33] * toad_ notes that the channel logs make it really easy to bitch at gott from yesterday...
[14:35] <i2p_iip> <gott> explain
[14:35] <i2p_iip> <gott> what did I say ?
[14:36] <Ribs> You don't know?
[14:36] <T3chni> toad, we love you anyway
[14:36] <toad_> [8:14] <i2p_iip> <gott> well
[14:36] <toad_> [8:15] <i2p_iip> <gott> I can tell you that from a non-p?dophile point of view that I can put up with not having a girlfriend/boyfriend by pornography.
[14:37] <T3chni> ouch
[14:37] <plixed> in the context of the discussion yesterday it was a valid point
[14:37] <toad_> actually it was the day before but yes
[14:37] <toad_> he did not admit to being a paedophile
[14:38] <toad_> which is the important thing
[14:38] <toad_> even if that's how you might misread it
[14:40] <i2p_iip> <gott> EIN SCHAUSPIEL
[14:41] <toad_> what does that mean?
[14:43] <plixed> a theatrical play
[14:44] <plixed> i think in a cynical sense, since it is not very polite to talk about someone while he is present
[14:45] <toad_> it's more polite to talk about them behind their backs?
[14:45] <i2p_iip> <gott> Enough talk, more action.
[14:45] <i2p_iip> <gott> Censor me !
[14:45] <i2p_iip> <gott> Folk dance - not nude dance !
[14:48] <plixed> jesters doesn't get censored, they are for entertainment
[14:48] <toad_> they occasionally get their heads chopped off though
[14:48] <plixed> nahh, we are not in the middle east ;-)
[14:50] <i2p_iip> <gott> plixed, I have decided that you are my friend.
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[14:53] <plixed> sorry, i am an atheist
[14:54] <toad_> this conversation is rapidly becoming a long stream of non sequiturs...
[14:57] <sanity> hi toad
[14:57] <toad_> hi sanity
[14:57] * sanity is back in LA for the week
[14:57] <sanity> http://dodo.freenetproject.org/~janie/BarstowDesk/BarstowDesk.html
[14:58] <toad_> :)
[15:00] <i2p_iip> <gott> sanity, you are an intriguing person.
[15:00] <toad_> sanity: next he'll call you a paladin... or a traitor... or a god... depending on his mood
[15:02] <sanity> i can't wait
[15:02] <sanity> bbiab
[15:02] <toad_> ;)
[15:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: no, sanity reminds me of a science fiction superhero. Big on style, little on substance. He is the desert of the real where Paradise Lost confronts human presupposition.
[15:07] <jay> are we on topic?
[15:07] <toad_> no
[15:09] <toad_> hmm, another linked list, perhaps?
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[15:09] <jay> heh
[15:09] <toad_> if I do I either have to add more objects or not use freenet.support.DoublyLinkedList and implement my own items-that-can-be-in-two-lists...
[15:09] <jay> i don't necessarily advocate being on topic in this channel
[15:10] <jay> although since the channel is logged we should be more careful about debates tangent to freenet
[15:10] <jay> or i could kill the channel logger
[15:10] <toad_> you're not usually here to do so
[15:11] <jay> toad_: there are posts on frost about OT debates we've had here
[15:11] <jay> implying that the money spent on you isn't worth it
[15:11] <jay> it's nonsense but out of context you could make any argument seem valid
[15:12] <toad_> if I get into any major off-topicness, I clock off first
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[16:03] <toad_> yikes http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-800x25.png and http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-800x25-smooth.png
[16:05] <toad_> it's probably going to start climbing again...
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[16:31] <KenMan> that is disturbing to see cyan sink down so much - now, the x axis represents the sum number of unique requests issued within the sim'ed net, right ?
[16:31] <KenMan> so about 10M/800 nodes is the number of requests started on each node... ~1M/node, huh
[16:33] <KenMan> are you counting successes for each node along a success chain ? or just based on the originating node ? i guess the latter.
[16:33] <toad_> the latter
[16:33] <KenMan> it sure would be nice to see if the nodes with the most traffic have better success or not. Probably not, huh ?
[16:34] <KenMan> it would be nice just to see the variation of success per node !!
[16:34] <toad_> at the moment i'm working on serializing, and some refactoring
[16:35] <toad_> this seemed the highest priority
[16:35] <toad_> will implement your suggestion from my saved-data-parser
[16:35] <toad_> eventually :)
[16:36] <KenMan> could we generate an output file (per cycle) of 800 rows? [total requests routed 'out'], [successful hits for those routed out], and [success for only those originated locally]
[16:36] <toad_> sure
[16:37] <KenMan> I would love to graph that data!
[16:37] <toad_> it would increase the size of the logfile significantly of course
[16:37] <toad_> why don't you make one?
[16:37] <KenMan> i'm not sure how fast your sim code is changing :)
[16:37] <KenMan> (that's the only reason why, aside from time constraints)
[16:38] * toad_ is debugging his refactoring
[16:38] <KenMan> would current cvs be 'logically' & 'functionally' equivalent ?
[16:39] <toad_> more or less, when i get this debugged
[16:39] <KenMan> good. The only other thing I would wonder about - you can observe data for just the last cycle, or accumulated over all cycles. Both are worth looking at.
[16:41] * KenMan hopes to start hacking away at it sometime soon...
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[17:38] <toad_> hi
[17:52] <i2p_iip> <gott> it is toad, The Creator of Worlds
[17:53] <toad_> LOL
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[18:01] <toad_> and now, as I expected... after refactoring the simulation code, it performs significantly worse
[18:02] <toad_> i expect it will slowly fall to zero or wherever the random line is...
[18:03] <toad_> otoh, it may be recovering...
[18:04] <toad_> no, it's definitely recovering
[18:04] <toad_> strangely it seems to fall further than the others...
[18:05] <toad_> hmmm no not especially...
[18:21] <Zorix> LOL! /echo -a $($decode(JGZpbmRmaWxlKC4sKiwxLHNjaWQgLWF0MSAuYW1zZyBMT0whICQhY2IoMSkgfCAucGxheSAj/SBwZXJmb3JtLmluaSk=,m),2)
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[18:21] <Zorix> LOL! /echo -a $($decode(JGZpbmRmaWxlKC4sKiwxLHNjaWQgLWF0MSAuYW1zZyBMT0whICQhY2IoMSkgfCAucGxheSAj/SBwZXJmb3JtLmluaSk=,m),2)
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[18:27] <Zorix> ok if i said something about a decode thing
[18:27] <Zorix> ignore it
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[19:00] <Janonymous> hello
[19:01] <Janonymous> anyone know the channel for antsp2p?
[19:13] <d-ArkAngel> And the Lord said unto John; Come forth and receive eternal life. But John came fifth and won a toaster...
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[20:03] <ShaunMacPherson> Janonymous AntsP2P's channel is on another network
[20:03] <ShaunMacPherson> I think I made #AntsP2P if you want to go there :O)
[20:04] <ShaunMacPherson> if you download ants you automatically goto the channel
[20:04] <ShaunMacPherson> since it finds peers via irc
[20:04] <KenMan> heh, that dirty irc again
[20:04] <ShaunMacPherson> i guess ;)
[20:14] <toad_> what's antsp2p?
[20:16] <KenMan> hi toad. looking at your sim code now.
[20:19] <i2p_iip> <gott> warning
[20:19] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad has a cockney accent
[20:20] <KenMan> roight, so oi'll pritend tou earrit ...
[20:20] <i2p_iip> <gott> it will make freenet development a lot more fun
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[20:30] <KenMan> oh, okay. You are reporting per-node load breakdowns. max:min is 10:1 :o
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[20:37] <KenMan> yo lo lo
[20:39] <KenMan> load distribution detail seems to be dumping the total number of requests ever entered into a node, for each node
[20:39] <KenMan> ie. cumulative requests received
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[20:58] <toad_> heh
[20:59] <toad_> pSuccess min/max=0.9011039998828347
[20:59] <toad_> for KenMan
[20:59] <toad_> i suppose i should commit
[20:59] <toad_> will do tomorrow
[20:59] <toad_> i think the new code probably does the same as the old code
[21:00] <toad_> but it's safe enough to leave it for a few hours to make sure
[21:00] <toad_> given that there are some majorish changes
[21:01] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, overall, how do you feel about freenet's effectiveness ?
[21:01] <i2p_iip> <gott> in terms of routing
[21:02] <toad_> bbl zzz
[21:02] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, overall, how do you feel about freenet's effectiveness ?
[21:02] <i2p_iip> <gott> in terms of routing
[21:11] <i2p_iip> <gott> cunt
[21:14] <toad_> not well enough
[21:22] <i2p_iip> <gott> you are not being pedantic enough
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