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[2:58] -dmwaters- {global notice} Alright guys, Here we go with the updates This shouldn't take long
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[17:55] * Topic is 'Upgrade to 5096 (5095 is mandatory) | Unstable: Upgrade to 60241 (60234 is mandatory) | Channel logs: http://newton.matcmp.ncc.edu/~lockej/freenet/chanlog/ | #freenet-politics and #freenet-chat are available for offtopic discussions'
[17:55] * Set by toad_ on Fri Sep 24 14:57:57 EDT 2004
[17:55] <toad_> otherwise look it up
[17:55] <toad_> hi hapi
[17:55] <toad_> long time no see ;)
[17:56] <nextgens> lol
[17:56] <nextgens> I'm always in trouble with my node :-'( now, my box is averloaded and I get a lot of ' Removing freenet.node.QueueManager$QueueElement' .. my node run since 3 hours and my logfile is 5.6Mo big.
[17:57] <toad_> nextgens: any OOMs?
[17:57] <nextgens> and it's frozen, rejecting most incoming connections.
[17:57] <nextgens> toad_: OOMs? Out of memory ? nope
[17:58] <toad_> hmmm strange
[17:58] <toad_> CPU overload?
[17:58] <nextgens> but yesterday yes, a lot ...
[17:58] <nextgens> yes
[17:58] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: are you celibate?
[17:58] <i2p_iip> <gott> * ?
[17:58] <nextgens> gott : you want to get married?
[17:59] <hobx> ooo
[17:59] <hobx> a proposal, right here on #freenet
[17:59] <hobx> this is so touching.
[17:59] <hobx> I actually started crying...
[18:00] <toad_> lol
[18:00] <nextgens> \/me already beeing crying because my node is fucked up
[18:00] <toad_> gott: canada lets you do that?
[18:00] <i2p_iip> <gott> nextgens: are you beautiful ?
[18:01] <toad_> nextgens: CPU overload is the problem
[18:01] <toad_> what is causing the cpu overload?
[18:01] <nextgens> JVM ;-)
[18:01] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: 6 out of 12 provinces/territories
[18:01] <i2p_iip> <gott> but it is going up to supreme court which is expected to make final judgement
[18:01] <nextgens> Cpu(s): 2.3% us, 4.5% sy, 80.7% ni, 11.4% id, 0.0% wa, 1.1% hi, 0.0% si
[18:01] <nextgens> only the JVM is niced ...
[18:01] <i2p_iip> <gott> supreme court doesn't want to; would rather leave it in the hands of legislators
[18:02] <i2p_iip> <gott> liberal party sent it to supreme court though for 'clarification'
[18:02] <toad_> surely they can just say it's a state issue?
[18:02] <toad_> as long as they provide a solid argument for that?
[18:02] <hobx> government shouldn't have shit to do with marriage
[18:02] <i2p_iip> <gott> no
[18:03] <nextgens> toad_: yesterday later, i got a lot of them ... freenet.RateLimitingViolationMessa
[18:03] <hobx> wtf does the government have to do with who I live with and fuck?
[18:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> people are challenging legislation at level of charter of rights and freedoms ( equal to american constitution ), so it's federal
[18:03] <nextgens> toad_: but my bandwidth is still the same ...
[18:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> but if you do it at a provincial level, it only stays legal/illegal at the _provincial_ level
[18:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> example
[18:04] <nextgens> toad_: my connexion works well
[18:04] <toad_> hobx: so don't marry, just live with them and fuck them
[18:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> you live in province A. Province A decides barring gay marriage is _not_ illegal. you appeal to supreme court ... supreme court then makes final decision that affects the entire country
[18:04] <toad_> okay so the decision on the supremes is limited to can a state ban gay marriage?
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[18:05] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: some of us are loving and not as sleezy as you
[18:05] <hobx> toad_: Yeah. But government is biased against people who are not married by extending by giving them lots of perks that we pay for.
[18:05] <i2p_iip> <gott> no, provinces can ban it and it currently is banned in many provinces ( about half ) ... however ...
[18:06] <i2p_iip> <gott> the supreme court generally overturns those bans if appealed on the basis of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms
[18:06] <i2p_iip> <gott> the supreme court generally overturns those bans if appealed on the basis of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms
[18:06] <i2p_iip> <gott> argh, cunt
[18:06] <toad_> hobx: I know :|.. we had something called civil partnerships, but the bill requires what amounts to a gay marriage ceremony.. it's just a kludge to allow gay marriage while not calling it gay marriage, and prevent long term cohabitants who have no sexual relationship from getting tax breaks
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[18:06] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: are you celibate
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[18:08] <hobx> fluckin bell
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[18:10] <hobx> I love how they make a 5 GB music player, and then they show off that it contains "An FM tuner with 8 presets"
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[18:10] <hobx> An FM frequency is one byte
[18:10] <toad_> hobx: :)
[18:11] <toad_> yes, but they can have one button for each if they only have 8
[18:11] <hobx> having one button for each stinks. Make a nice interface for changing between them.
[18:12] <nextgens> is it possible to code into freenet a log limitation thing? I mean : something with stop logging when we got more than 5messages/sec...
[18:13] <nextgens> toad_: could I send to you by mail a 5 Mo big logfile?
[18:14] <nextgens> toad_: where I got those :
[18:14] <nextgens> Caught java.lang.OutOfMemoryErro
[18:14] <nextgens> Ran emergency GC in freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop
[18:14] <nextgens> BUFFER FULL
[18:14] <nextgens> and other things?
[18:14] <nextgens> i'm SURE the box wasn't in need of memory ...
[18:15] <hobx> You require 1.4 now anyways, right? Couldn't you just embed the log statements in assert() calls. In that way they could be compiled out.
[18:15] <toad_> nextgens: that's probably caused by start-freenet.sh not setting -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m on 1.5
[18:15] <toad_> hobx: then we'd never hear about them
[18:15] <nextgens> but I had already switched to 1.4.02_5 ;-)
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[18:16] <nextgens> it's my logfile from yesterday to 2 hours ago ...
[18:17] <nextgens> my node stopped to log things at 3 AM
[18:17] <nextgens> and It was always running (but frozen) at 6PM
[18:17] <toad_> nextgens: hmm
[18:17] <toad_> do you run it from start-freenet.sh?
[18:17] <toad_> what command line does it use?
[18:18] <hobx> got to admire a guy sharing 20 gigs of Hentai!
[18:18] <nextgens> nice -n 10 -- java -server -Xmx128m $JAVA_ARGS freenet.node.Main "$@" &
[18:18] <nextgens> $JAVA_ARGSis default
[18:19] <nextgens> -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m $JAVA_ARGS"
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[18:38] <nextgens> just another question : If an OOM occurs, is it possible to the kernel to kill some java thread and not the whole jvm things? Does the jvm will stop or freeze waiting for a killed thread?
[18:43] <nextgens> does noone know how it is handled or does no one understood my ask ?
[18:45] <plixed> afaik the kernel cannot kill a thread because it has no seperate memory allocation
[18:46] <plixed> it can only kill whole processes with all threads
[18:46] <nextgens> ok, thanks
[18:49] <plixed> you are talking about linux kernel threads, not java vm threads, right?
[18:49] <plixed> ah, forget it, i just read your question again and got it
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[18:50] <nextgens> yes, but I'm thinking both are the same ... am I wrong?
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[20:08] <i2p_iip> <gott> sanity.
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[21:44] <toad_> http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/other/0,39020682,39169459,00.htm
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[22:05] <jay> lo
[22:05] <jay> my node crashed the same way nextgens did
[22:05] <jay> OOM, and then emergency GC attempts
[22:06] <jay> i had been running frost all day (which i do normally) and when i came home I found the error meesages on the console
[22:10] <jay> wow my log file is 12G
[22:10] <toad_> strange
[22:10] <toad_> bbl zzz
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