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[3:56] <spaetz> Morning all
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[6:40] <tet2cochon> hi
[6:42] <d-ArkAngel> hi
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[8:01] <d-ArkAngel> hi cbreak
[8:01] <cbreak> hi.
[8:05] <cbreak> I wonder if I could get some simulation results, I could try to smoth them.
[8:06] <d-ArkAngel> I surgested that he could run the sims 10x and average the data ;-)
[8:07] <cbreak> I would fft the data, convolute it with a reasonable stencil and ifft it back.
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[8:07] <d-ArkAngel> for some reason he seemed to think that would be unreasonably slow :-)
[8:07] <cbreak> That may help a bit :)
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[8:07] <cbreak> maybe the reason is the sim still isn't paralell :)
[8:07] <d-ArkAngel> :-P
[8:07] <d-ArkAngel> look, my code compiled 20 min ago
[8:08] <d-ArkAngel> all I need to do now is add the connection negotiation code
[8:08] <cbreak> cool
[8:08] <d-ArkAngel> and then get routing in (it's there for random routing now)
[8:08] <d-ArkAngel> and then test it and see how much overhead we've gained parallelising it :-)
[8:09] <d-ArkAngel> knowing my luck it'll be the same speed on two processors as it is with the old sim on one :-)
[8:09] <toad_> :)
[8:09] <cbreak> Java uses locking to synconize?
[8:10] <d-ArkAngel> yeah, only needed on contended objects tho
[8:11] <d-ArkAngel> also I've downsized the LRUQueue implementation slighty.... :-)
[8:12] <d-ArkAngel> now 19 lines of code, and with none of the syncronisation that was in the old version
[8:13] <d-ArkAngel> since the LRU quese will only be accessed from inside a running thread anyway
[8:15] <cbreak> I guess all you need is a single lock per node
[8:15] <d-ArkAngel> not even per node
[8:15] <d-ArkAngel> per thread
[8:15] <d-ArkAngel> for inter thread comms
[8:16] <d-ArkAngel> long as threads don't access each others internals directly there's no contention
[8:16] <cbreak> but they access the same routing tables in the nodes?
[8:17] <d-ArkAngel> the nodes are spead out per thread
[8:17] <d-ArkAngel> and not passed arround
[8:17] <d-ArkAngel> there's no point. Passing a RT from one thread to another would just slow things down
[8:18] <cbreak> so you simulate two networks and not one?
[8:18] <d-ArkAngel> no
[8:18] <d-ArkAngel> only one network
[8:19] <d-ArkAngel> but it's split into groups of nodes per thread
[8:19] <d-ArkAngel> and each thread deals with all the processing for thier local nodes
[8:19] <cbreak> ah! so each thread simulates requests to a set of nodes.
[8:19] <d-ArkAngel> yes
[8:20] <cbreak> ok... I imagined each thread would simulate its own request over the whole network.
[8:20] <d-ArkAngel> and when a request needs to move to a node that's not on this node then that's when there's synchronisation
[8:20] <d-ArkAngel> and there are request buffers to prevent threads getting locked out with nothing to do.
[8:20] <toad_> well, i don't see it being slower on 2 with the new code than on 1 with the old code really
[8:21] <toad_> routing is quite expensive; any comms are quite cheap
[8:21] <d-ArkAngel> indeed
[8:21] <toad_> so it should parallelize well
[8:21] <d-ArkAngel> long as I've not buggered anything up :-)
[8:21] <toad_> but once you have it working on 2, we need to borrow a bigger SMP to run it on :)
[8:22] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-800x25.png
[8:22] <toad_> is blue curving off?
[8:22] <d-ArkAngel> I suppose there's no reason the threads could not be fairly easily changed to work over networks rahter than just as threads
[8:22] <toad_> it looks like it but maybe...
[8:22] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: they'd have to be pretty fast networks though...
[8:23] <toad_> right?
[8:23] <d-ArkAngel> I don't think so...
[8:23] <toad_> what sort of bandwidth are we talking here?
[8:23] <d-ArkAngel> since the only thing that's getting passed arround is the request data
[8:23] <toad_> yeah but a lot of them
[8:24] <toad_> many times per request
[8:25] <cbreak> toad_: can I get the data for the graph?
[8:25] <toad_> cbreak: which one, and how do you want it?
[8:25] <d-ArkAngel> each request would use something like 50 bytes of data plus the key
[8:25] <d-ArkAngel> but that's only when a request moves from one thread to another.
[8:26] <toad_> okay, the 800x50 takes 194649ms per cycle
[8:26] <cbreak> the red 800x25 you showed before, and a text file with the points would be ok.
[8:26] <toad_> one cycle involves 20,000 requests
[8:26] <toad_> and of course they'll be passed back and forth...
[8:26] <toad_> cbreak: red?
[8:27] <kers> have you guys heard? the fbi managed to issue a warrant to rackspace to sieze the hard drive of our main indymedia servers that is in the uk
[8:28] <toad_> okay, the raw data is 24MB
[8:28] <toad_> the points only is 42kB
[8:28] <toad_> kers: indeed
[8:28] <cbreak> toad_: I'll take the points :)
[8:28] <d-ArkAngel> 20,000 requests is only 900Kb
[8:29] <toad_> cbreak: email?
[8:29] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: multiply by half the htl
[8:30] <d-ArkAngel> that's over the whole network tho
[8:30] <kers> toad_: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/07/204217, http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/111999.shtml
[8:30] <toad_> kers: read the latter yesterday :|
[8:30] <d-ArkAngel> assuming all the nodes have DP then you can half the comms because thier trafic is trivial
[8:30] <toad_> kers: just adds more urgency to getting the Free Speech Zone known as Freenet working
[8:31] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: there is no processor affinity, because that would break routing
[8:31] <d-ArkAngel> I know
[8:31] <d-ArkAngel> but there is a random chance that a node will be on either a local or a non local thread
[8:31] <d-ArkAngel> so it's not half is it...
[8:32] <d-ArkAngel> it's reduce by 1/t where t is the number of threads
[8:32] <kers> toad_: indeed
[8:33] <d-ArkAngel> so on average we're looking at 1Mb per 20,000 routeing instructions
[8:34] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: but what about the HTL?
[8:34] <d-ArkAngel> or is that 1Mb per 20,000 routing instructions on the local node, not 20,000 on thw whole network
[8:34] <d-ArkAngel> (I'm talking route instructions not requests)
[8:34] <toad_> ah ok
[8:35] <d-ArkAngel> and because if you route 20,000 instructions on your local node you send out 1Mb of data
[8:35] <toad_> well, those 20,000 per cycle work out to 247,807 individual routing's
[8:35] <toad_> so 247,807 routings take 193200ms
[8:35] <d-ArkAngel> but each node on the network will recive 1/t Mb of data where t is the number of threads
[8:35] <toad_> i.e. approximately 1.24 per millisecond
[8:35] <toad_> 1200 per second
[8:36] <d-ArkAngel> so you're realisticaly looking at 2Mb/20,000 routes
[8:36] <toad_> so we have 1200*sizeof(request) bytes/sec to sustain this
[8:37] <toad_> on 800x50
[8:37] <toad_> on whatever it's running on#
[8:38] <toad_> hmm that's on 1/3rd of my XP 2800+
[8:38] <toad_> no, 1/2
[8:38] <toad_> so the real rate is 2500*sizeof(request) bytes/sec
[8:38] <d-ArkAngel> 20Mb/cycle at 800x50
[8:38] <toad_> now, sizeof(request) is 20MB/20,000 = 1kB
[8:38] <toad_> so it's 2.5MB/sec?
[8:39] * toad_ thinks 1kB/request is rather humongous
[8:39] <d-ArkAngel> it's 50bytes/req
[8:39] <toad_> ah ok
[8:39] <toad_> so it's 2500*50
[8:39] <toad_> = 125000?
[8:40] <toad_> 125kB/sec?
[8:40] <toad_> on faster internet links it might even be possible
[8:40] <toad_> certainly be possible on ethernet
[8:40] <toad_> cool!
[8:40] <toad_> bbiab
[8:41] <toad_> if you need help implementing later, i'll be around
[8:41] <toad_> and interested
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[9:12] <d-ArkAngel> toad: once I've got the connection negotiation code sorted I'll be in need of some help with routing. I'll let you know
[9:19] <toad_> ok do you understand the connection negotiation code?
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[11:30] <toad_> |The project's current Paypal balance is $1,010.83.
[11:30] <toad_> cool
[11:31] <d-ArkAngel> lots of little donations? or one big one?
[11:32] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, that is over a lot longer than a month though
[11:32] <i2p_iip> <gott> how are you being paid when it is so low ?
[11:32] <i2p_iip> <gott> does ian pay you ?
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[12:09] <hobx_> We have reached an agreement with certain funders who wish to remain anonymous but you only demand a few choice changes to the software in return.
[12:11] <d-ArkAngel> lol, people who wish to remain anonymous.... well they've come to the right place ;-)
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[12:13] <d-ArkAngel> so what spyware to the FBI... Sorry I mean what changes to the anonumous parties desire?
[12:13] <Ash-Fox> .
[12:14] <d-ArkAngel> wow so may typo's in such a small line of text :-)
[12:14] * d-ArkAngel goes back to java where the compiler points out the typos
[12:15] <d-ArkAngel> s/to/do/
[12:16] <d-ArkAngel> s/anonumous/anonymous/
[12:27] <toad_> heh
[12:27] <toad_> bbiab
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[12:51] <i2p_iip> <gott> while I assume that was a joke
[12:51] <i2p_iip> <gott> was it ?
[12:51] <i2p_iip> <gott> er
[12:51] <i2p_iip> <gott> was it ?
[12:52] <FallingBuzzard> yes ;)
[12:52] <spaetz> toad: you there? The java simulator on my XP box is still running, but you are not connected through ssh anymore. Can I assume that I can shut it down now?
[12:54] <spaetz> nevermind: I just did a "killall java" :). Complain if you need it again...
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[13:48] <toad_> |Under credit card association rules, PayPal cannot permit the use of the PayPal service as a funding method for payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants.
[13:48] <toad_> what does that mean?
[13:49] <greycat> payment processors... hmm... is that like a "debt consolidation service"?
[13:49] <greycat> or is it more like a collection agency?
[13:49] <d-ArkAngel> you're not allowed to accept money on behalf of someone else for a fee
[13:49] <Ash-Fox> collection agency
[13:49] <toad_> |You may not use PayPal to sell stuffed migratory birds in any form. This includes migratory birds that can be lawfully hunted including all ducks, geese, hawks, owls, crows and ravens. - they're not ALL endangered are they? is it illegal to trade in stuffed migratory birds?
[13:50] <Ash-Fox> And don't use paypal
[13:50] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: ah, like you do :)
[13:50] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: considered getting a proper credit card server? :|
[13:50] <d-ArkAngel> no, it's not "funded" i.e. he gets no %
[13:51] * Ash-Fox remembers that spam that had stuff like people growing cats in bottles, then selling them..
[13:51] <toad_> ahhh
[13:51] <d-ArkAngel> problem is most of my users are like 12 and have had to con their parents into letting them open a paypal account with daddy's CC.
[13:51] <d-ArkAngel> and they make money buying and selling stuff on e-bay
[13:52] <d-ArkAngel> (some of them make LOTS of money
[13:52] <greycat> d-ArkAngel: the "bonsai kittens"?
[13:52] <toad_> |You may not use PayPal to sell marine mammal products, including but not limited to polar bear, sea otter, baleen and ivory whales, porpoise, dolphins and seals, unless the animal part has been first transformed into an authentic Alaskan Native article of handicraft or clothing.
[13:52] <toad_> okay, that's really wierd
[13:53] <d-ArkAngel> are there exceptions that would stop me selling my soul?
[13:53] * Ash-Fox is waiting for the "You may not use PayPal to promote products for 'free speech' as this is unconstitutional in the USA"
[13:54] <toad_> why does paypal take it upon itself to regulate its customers?
[13:54] <d-ArkAngel> "you must not use paypal if you belive that you have rights to keep the money in your checking account."
[13:54] <toad_> LOL
[13:54] <d-ArkAngel> because they're not a bank
[13:55] <d-ArkAngel> so technicaly it's them buying that shit.
[13:55] <d-ArkAngel> and then you paying them for it
[13:55] <d-ArkAngel> so if you buy stuff that's illegal then they're tradeing in what ever it is.
[13:56] <Ash-Fox> "You may not close you paypal account if you've done something illegal"
[13:56] <Ash-Fox> *your
[13:56] <Ash-Fox> ^- true fact
[13:56] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: but they don't handle the goods
[13:57] <d-ArkAngel> no, but because they're not a bank then they don't benefit from special status
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[13:58] <d-ArkAngel> so you buy something via paypal and what it looks like legally is that they buy it from the vendor. it is then arranged to be shipped to you, and you then pay them.
[13:59] <toad_> ah i see
[13:59] <toad_> and they're not a bank because if they were they couldn't freeze people's accounts and keep the balance?
[13:59] <Ash-Fox> yes
[13:59] <Ash-Fox> they get around the laws with money handling that way
[14:00] <d-ArkAngel> and charge such insane rates for account to account transfers
[14:00] <d-ArkAngel> etc
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[14:14] <toad_> hi sanity
[14:14] <sanity> hi toad
[14:24] <toad_> | The following items may not be sold or advertised on websites listed in PayPal Shops:... A mouse pad bearing a picture of a movie star - another wierd one
[14:29] <toad_> what does "booby traps (pull string)" mean in the context of fireworks?
[14:30] <sanity> erm
[14:30] <sanity> perhaps you can lay a trap for someone using the string as a tripwire?
[14:32] <toad_> You may not use PayPal to sell any device capable of permitting the play of pirated and/or imported games on a domestic system. Examples of such devices include:
[14:32] <toad_> # Mod chips and/or game consoles that have a mod chip-type device installed
[14:32] <toad_> # Game enhancers (which enable the play of import software and/or back up versions of software)
[14:32] <toad_> # Boot discs
[14:32] <toad_> nice
[14:33] <toad_> this is all because paypal isn't a bank - but if they were, they couldn't confiscate your balance (it happened to d-ArkAngel)
[14:34] <toad_> |The sale of imported Dreamcast software and hardware may infringe on Sega's copyrights and/or trademark. Sega sells these Asian versions outside of Europe, and the subsequent importation and sale of these goods in Europe (without Sega's permission) infringes upon Sega's copyrights.
[14:34] <toad_> uh, right
[14:34] <toad_> copyrights are being interpretted rather too liberally here...
[14:37] <toad_> |You may not use PayPal to sell humans, the human body, or any human body parts.
[14:38] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: so you're not allowed to sell your soul :)
[14:40] <toad_> |The copyright owners of works in literature, music, films, software, video games, and photos have certain rights under UK copyright law to prevent the importation of goods which were intended for distribution in another country. Importation of such products into the UK without permission may be an infringement even if the good is a genuine copy and legal to distribute in the other country.
[14:40] * toad_ thinks that's most unpleasant
[14:41] <toad_> also trademarks and patents
[14:41] <toad_> Examples of Potentially Infringing Imports:
[14:41] <toad_> Music CDs intended for distribution in the United States (even if they are genuine copies)
[14:41] <toad_> nice!
[14:41] <toad_> A Pokemon? toy that was intended for sale in Japan only
[14:42] <toad_> okay, that one is just surreal
[14:47] <toad_> |Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM), or bundled software, is software that is obtained as part of the purchase of a new computer. OEM software licences usually prohibit the purchaser from reselling the software without the computer or, in some cases, without any computer hardware.
[14:47] * toad_ wasn't aware that those shrink-wrap licenses were valid in the UK...
[14:49] <toad_> Examples of items that generally may not be sold using PayPal:
[14:49] <toad_> * Items that bear symbols of the Nazis, the SS, or the KKK, including authentic German WWII memorabilia that bear such marks
[14:49] <d-ArkAngel> well we've broken that a number of times ;-)
[14:49] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: we have?
[14:49] <toad_> which?
[14:51] <toad_> you can sell coins and films with swastikas on
[14:51] <toad_> and books
[14:51] <d-ArkAngel> Vectis Auctions, we sell lead toy solduires, and have them on ebay auctions, and inevitably some of them will be german troops....
[14:51] <d-ArkAngel> my day job ;-)
[14:52] <toad_> :|
[14:52] * tav is now known as tav|offline
[14:52] <toad_> did you get busted?
[14:52] <d-ArkAngel> not so far :-)
[14:53] * toad_ suggests you read the whole of that page, it's linked from the AUP
[14:53] <d-ArkAngel> Vectis is the worlds largest you auctioneers, they've got quite a lot of pull so probably in no danger.
[14:53] <toad_> cool
[14:53] <d-ArkAngel> s/you/toy/
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[14:59] <toad_> |In addition, you may not sell or advertise information on "how to" descramble or gain access to cable, digital terrestrial, or satellite television programming without authorisation or payment.
[15:00] <toad_> I don't have a problem with that actually
[15:00] <toad_> you shouldn't charge for such info ;)
[15:01] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[15:01] <d-ArkAngel> the freedom of information should be the freedom to sell it as well as to steal... take it
[15:03] <toad_> how nice, you can sell tobacco but you can't sell german lead toy soldiers :)
[15:03] <toad_> s/german/wwii german
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[15:05] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: in theory yes, but paypal is just paypal
[15:05] <toad_> they're not The Man
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[15:08] <toad_> well, it's not as bad as it might have been
[15:08] <toad_> there is no specific ban on funding or selling filesharing systems
[15:09] <toad_> |You may not use PayPal to sell pre-paid debit cards and other stored value cards that are not associated with a single vendor.
[15:09] <toad_> eh?
[15:09] <d-ArkAngel> there is it's the title "Paypal reserve the right to do what ever the hell they please"
[15:10] <d-ArkAngel> maybe they mean... "you're not allowed to sell money damn it"
[15:11] <toad_> |You may not use PayPal to send or receive payments for any form of gambling activities
[15:11] <toad_> ahhh
[15:11] <toad_> but you're allowed to sell alcohol :)
[15:11] * toad_ supposes it's a legal issue
[15:12] <toad_> |This prohibition includes all gambling operations, even if and where such activities do not constitute unlawful conduct.
[15:12] <toad_> ah ok it's not a legal issue
[15:12] <toad_> not in the UK anyway
[15:13] <d-ArkAngel> Any idea what paypal do let you do? :-)
[15:13] <toad_> |Operators of games of skill where the elements of skill are clearly predominant over those of chance can use PayPal to accept entry fees or similar payments only if they have in place a program to block users from U.S. states and other jurisdictions where it is illegal to operate a paid contest of skill.
[15:13] <toad_> okay, it is about US legal requirements
[15:14] <toad_> and of course there's porn
[15:15] <toad_> |You may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of, or receipt of donations for, any obscene or sexually oriented goods or services.... will consider politics, depiction of sex, representations of sex, masturbation, etc, theme, safety, educational/medical use
[15:15] <toad_> in other words they can choose what they like
[15:15] <toad_> anyway, Freenet is not IMHO a sexually oriented service
[15:15] <toad_> despite the porn
[15:16] <toad_> <d-ArkAngel> Any idea what paypal do let you do? :-) - yup, you can sell tobacco!
[15:17] <toad_> and accept donations for building file sharing networks used for illegal content distribution apparently :)
[15:25] * d-ArkAngel thinks that there'll be a new rule shortly
[15:26] <toad_> we'll see
[15:27] <toad_> We are sorry that we are unable to complete your request at this time. Please click retry or try again later.
[15:27] <toad_> Message 3004
[15:27] <toad_> An error has occurred.
[15:27] * toad_ getting TONS of this today
[15:28] <toad_> okay, maybe i can do some productive work now :)
[15:28] <toad_> after reloading...
[15:28] * toad_ goes to get drink, food
[15:35] <toad_> foo
[15:36] <toad_> hmmm
[15:36] * toad_ sees if he can conscript thomas's XP 2500+ into the simulating frenzy...
[15:45] <d-ArkAngel> I might be able to setup some more nodes here....
[15:46] <d-ArkAngel> maybe a 2.4 P4 and a couple of Athlons (800 & 1200)
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[15:58] <toad_> that'd be nice
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[16:37] <toad_> okay, all set up
[16:38] <toad_> just need to run an actual simulation there now
[16:38] * toad_ updates the rest to find out what is most needed
[16:39] <toad_> looks like I will have exclusive access to thomas's 2500+ for several days
[16:39] <d-ArkAngel> cool
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[16:39] <d-ArkAngel> well you've got my dual still too.
[16:40] <d-ArkAngel> should I commit some of these new files I've been making for the Threaded Sim?
[16:40] <d-ArkAngel> I've not been changing anything.
[16:41] <toad_> if you haven't changed anything then sure
[16:41] <d-ArkAngel> I'll run a diff and make sure
[16:41] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-800x25.png
[16:41] <toad_> updated
[16:42] <toad_> going reasonably well but if it doesn't tail off/stabilize before 95%, it'll take a long time to get there...
[16:44] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-400x25.png
[16:44] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-200x25.png
[16:45] <d-ArkAngel> how do I commit? just "cvs commit"?
[16:45] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-100x25.png
[16:45] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: yup
[16:46] <toad_> you need the tree to be checked out as developer, of course
[16:46] <d-ArkAngel> I checked it out as my name ;-)
[16:47] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-100x25-long.png
[16:47] <toad_> also updated
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[16:51] <d-ArkAngel> I ran cvs commit
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[17:12] <toad_> okay
[17:12] <toad_> running another 200x25@16 on thomas's machine
[17:13] <toad_> hopefully that will run fast enough that we can close out 200-node soon
[17:13] <toad_> brb
[17:15] <d-ArkAngel> hey toad_ I can't commit the new files. says I need write access
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[17:19] <i2p_iip> <gott> well
[17:20] <i2p_iip> <gott> it's official
[17:20] <i2p_iip> <gott> canadian law now states that an 18 year old can fuck a 17 year old legally, but if the 18 year old writes that he has fucked a 17 year old, it is child pornography
[17:22] <toad_> woah
[17:23] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: you need to check it out as your developer name
[17:23] <toad_> rather than anonymously
[17:23] <d-ArkAngel> I did
[17:23] <toad_> gott: that's pretty surreal
[17:23] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad_: will you allow me to publically break canadian law ?
[17:23] <toad_> gott: what's the age of consent? 17? 16?
[17:23] <d-ArkAngel> "Logging in to :pserver:d-arkangel@cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/freenet"
[17:24] <toad_> gott: over an IRC channel?
[17:24] <i2p_iip> <gott> The age of consent is 14.
[17:24] <toad_> gott: woah
[17:24] <i2p_iip> <gott> I have decided to break Canadian law. "The 17 year-old neighbour named Jenny just orgasmed."
[17:24] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: hmmm
[17:24] <i2p_iip> <gott> Under a recently passed bill, I can be charged with distribution of child pornography.
[17:25] <i2p_iip> <gott> ( mind you, I can fuck Jenny but I can't describe fucking her )
[17:25] <toad_> gott: uhm, okay. if you get any more graphic than that then i'll boot i2p_iip though
[17:26] <i2p_iip> <gott> you can have Jenny if you want
[17:26] <d-ArkAngel> is gott here? :-)
[17:26] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: according to this you have CVS write access
[17:26] <i2p_iip> <gott> so, toad
[17:27] <i2p_iip> <gott> do you go to bible study classes ?
[17:27] <d-ArkAngel> "cvs [server aborted]: "add" requires write access to the repository"
[17:27] <d-ArkAngel> weird
[17:28] <d-ArkAngel> is it case sensetive?
[17:28] <d-ArkAngel> my login name is all lowers....
[17:28] <d-ArkAngel> (it changed it for me...)
[17:29] <toad_> http://userpages.umbc.edu/~hamilton/btclientconfig.html
[17:30] <hobx> Didn't you get the message to go talk to the boss
[17:30] <toad_> hmm, they have exactly the same issues we do
[17:30] <hobx> and downt worry, buddy, everything will be all right.
[17:30] <toad_> hobx: huh?
[17:30] <hobx> I mean d-arkangel. Doesn't he know what it means to come to work and suddenly find yourself locked off from the computers...
[17:31] <hobx> What was I supposed to read on the bt page?
[17:31] <i2p_iip> <gott> do you go to bible study classes
[17:32] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[17:32] <d-ArkAngel> I used to work at DuPont, and I've seen that happen to people ;-)
[17:33] <toad_> hobx: bittorrent is the most popular p2p by bandwidth on many systems, and they have PRECISELY the same NAT issues as we do, with inferior workarounds - i.e. specify the external IP, forward the ports, etc.
[17:34] <toad_> bbiab
[17:34] <i2p_iip> <gott> do you go to bible study classes
[17:34] <i2p_iip> <gott> jesus
[17:34] <i2p_iip> <gott> what is so hard about answering that question
[17:36] <toad_> hmmm
[17:36] <hobx> What else is new?
[17:36] <toad_> i think nyc.indymedia.org is down
[17:36] <toad_> they were running on the backups after the raid
[17:36] <hobx> Save uPnP there is no way around the problem.
[17:36] <toad_> but now it doesn't respond to HTTP
[17:36] <toad_> hobx: that's not true
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[17:36] <toad_> but UP&P is one of many things that help
[17:37] <d-ArkAngel> any idea how I go about working out what my problem with cvs?
[17:37] <hobx> There is the UDP hack, but that is an ugly hack.
[17:38] <hobx> One of many things?
[17:38] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad ?
[17:39] <toad_> yep
[17:39] <toad_> there's simultaneous connect
[17:40] <toad_> there's telling the node to open an outgoing conn
[17:40] <toad_> there's lots
[17:40] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad
[17:41] <hobx> You are talking about hacking the TCP stack basically?
[17:41] <d-ArkAngel> even without incomming stuff can work right? so as longs as the majority of people can accept connections...
[17:41] <hobx> this can only lead to pain.
[17:42] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, I wish you would talk to me
[17:42] <i2p_iip> <gott> you are so closed off sometimes
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[17:43] <hobx> nobody talks to you gott because you are an idiot.
[17:43] <hobx> Take a while off, stop being an idiot, choose a new nick, and come back.
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[17:44] <i2p_iip> <gott> I don't think I am an idiot
[17:44] <i2p_iip> <gott> I, however, think you are a skurk hobx
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[17:49] <toad_> hobx: simultaneous connect can work pretty well, and uses only high level non-raw TCP sockets
[17:50] <i2p_iip> <gott> !
[17:50] <i2p_iip> <gott> <hawk> * Sugadude is a worshipper of Ian, the gay Freenet GOD.
[17:50] <i2p_iip> <gott> IS IAN GAY ?!?!?!
[17:50] <toad_> hobx: but the other option i suggested was sending a message through the network to open a connection outbound instead of inbound
[17:50] <hobx> toad_: How do you get the session numbers to match?
[17:50] <toad_> not sure
[17:50] <hobx> toad_: Well, sure, but that only works if one party is not firewalled.
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[17:57] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: you are missing a discussion of Ian's attractiveness on #i2p-chat here on IIP
[18:03] <toad_> gott: good
[18:05] <i2p_iip> <gott> you need to live a little, toad.
[18:05] <i2p_iip> <gott> do some gardenning. Enjoy a walk in the park.
[18:05] <i2p_iip> <gott> donate money to charity.
[18:06] <d-ArkAngel> Doh! I've worked out my dev problem. time to try and add again
[18:06] <i2p_iip> <gott> go to bible study class
[18:06] <i2p_iip> <gott> do you go to bible study class
[18:16] <i2p_iip> <gott> ah
[18:16] <i2p_iip> <gott> sorry toad
[18:16] <i2p_iip> <gott> that legislation I quoted has just been proposed, not passed yet
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[19:38] <Usher_luv> anyone hurz
[19:38] <Usher_luv> I think I'm gonna leave
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[20:01] <toad_> NY IMC is back online
[20:01] <toad_> hi lostlogic
[20:01] <lostlogic> heya
[20:02] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-200x25.png
[20:03] <toad_> brown looking reasonable
[20:03] <toad_> by the time I get back tomorrow, should have a respectable length on it
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[20:04] <toad_> okay, what am i supposed to be doing now?
[20:06] <toad_> downloading, graphing, going to bed
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