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[9:17] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-400x25.png
[9:17] <toad_> uh oh
[9:17] * toad_ thinks it's levelling
[9:20] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-800x25.png
[9:20] <toad_> need to run one with a bigger RT...
[9:22] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-200x25.png
[9:22] <toad_> it increasingly looks like these simulations do settle
[9:23] <toad_> which is bad...
[9:33] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad
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[9:51] <d-ArkAngel> Hi all
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[9:57] <d-ArkAngel> hi guys
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[10:18] <spaetz> look like it settles, albeit rather close to 1. Is that not good enough?
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[10:18] <spaetz> look like it settles, albeit rather close to 1. Is that not good enough?
[10:18] <spaetz> grr, I think I'm deconnected. BRB
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[10:20] <spaetz> uhh, the 800 graph seems to settle <.9
[10:21] <d-ArkAngel> which graph is this? has toad got some more pics to show?
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[10:23] <spaetz> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-800x25.png
[10:23] <spaetz> Dunno how old this one is
[10:25] <d-ArkAngel> well I hvent seen it yet, so it's new to me :-)
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[10:50] <toad_> the 400s may be climbing still
[10:50] <toad_> rather slowly
[10:52] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-400x25.png (updated)
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[10:55] <spaetz> mmh, can't tell from the graph. You'd need to run some statistics on the data to really tell whether it's still climbing.
[10:59] <toad_> such as? a really long period average maybe?
[11:00] <d-ArkAngel> that graph is almost a work of art :-)
[11:02] <greycat> (offtopic) http://wooledge.org/~greg/cwru-protest/ (will eventually be inserted in freenet, probably in a different format (no thumbnails, just rescaling the images))
[11:02] <toad_> that would be nice
[11:03] <toad_> your broadband seems to have some issues.. or maybe it's just my dns?
[11:03] <greycat> It's not very fast, especially with freenet running on it
[11:03] <toad_> has insert performance improved on stable, or does it still suck?
[11:04] <d-ArkAngel> toad, my freenet node died the other day...
[11:04] <d-ArkAngel> out of memory exception
[11:04] <spaetz> toad, yep a moving average (sliding average?) would be nice. Or you do a 1 sample t-test on the last 20 data points compared to the previous ones
[11:04] <greycat> toad_: I get fewer RNFs now than I did a week ago
[11:04] <toad_> do we need to reset stable to fix the insert problems - or at least to prove that we haven't?
[11:04] <greycat> It's still not "good", of course....
[11:04] <toad_> spaetz: the graph IS a sliding average
[11:05] <toad_> well how long does it take to insert a DBR update?
[11:05] <greycat> if just the index.html file and the mapfile have to go in... say, 30 to 60 minutes.
[11:05] <toad_> ah
[11:05] <toad_> that's not so bad
[11:05] <toad_> that's a great improvement on what i heard previously
[11:06] <toad_> I should try to insert an update of my site.. I had updated it but it wouldn't insert easily iirc...
[11:07] <toad_> anyway, a) it'd get more hits on freenet, and b) it'd probably be faster on freenet than on your severely overloaded and catatonic broadband
[11:07] <toad_> it still hasn't loaded...
[11:07] <d-ArkAngel> what still hasn't loaded?
[11:08] <toad_> <greycat> (offtopic) http://wooledge.org/~greg/cwru-protest/ (will eventually be inserted in freenet, probably in a different format (no thumbnails, just rescaling the images))
[11:08] <greycat> you're not by any chance using a linux 2.6.8 kernel, are you?
[11:08] <toad_> yes
[11:08] <toad_> why?
[11:08] <greycat> Ah!
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[11:08] <toad_> hmm?
[11:08] <greycat> http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/
[11:08] <d-ArkAngel> strange, that's loaded and I've looked through some of the pics already.
[11:08] <toad_> 2.6.8.1 actually
[11:08] <greycat> My ISP has a problem with the "window scaling" issue that Linux 2.6.8+ brings up.
[11:08] <greycat> That lwn.net article explains it, and how to work around it
[11:10] <d-ArkAngel> woo hoo
[11:10] <greycat> Anyway, I do plan to insert it, but give me some time... I'm at work, too, so I shouldn't even be talking to you, in theory ;-)
[11:10] <d-ArkAngel> that must be why my linux box sucks on some sites!
[11:11] <toad_> If, instead, the situation is left as it is, pressure on the router manufacturers should get the problem fixed relatively quickly. It has been a few years, now, that Linux has a strong enough presence in the networking world that it can get away with taking this sort of position.
[11:11] <toad_> woah
[11:11] <greycat> reminds me a lot of the ECN issue with linux 2.4
[11:11] <toad_> ECN is off by default
[11:12] <greycat> it is *now* ;-)
[11:12] <toad_> heh
[11:12] <toad_> because they learned that the routers won't be upgraded until IPv6 is rolled out ;)
[11:12] <toad_> BECAUSE IT WORKS WITH WINDOWS!
[11:13] <toad_> when referring to ISPs, I mean
[11:13] <greycat> right
[11:13] <toad_> obviously the higher end cares about these things
[11:13] <toad_> but a typical ISP doesn't
[11:14] <toad_> having said that, we run a minor webserver on this site on 2.6.8.1
[11:14] <toad_> and it doesn't seem to have been a problem so far for us
[11:14] <d-ArkAngel> www.halifax.co.uk suffers
[11:15] <d-ArkAngel> at least it does for me.
[11:15] <toad_> this is on one of the larger ISPs here though - they ARE a backbone provider..
[11:15] <d-ArkAngel> there are quite a few others that I have probslmes with. tho where the routers causing the prob is is anyone's guess.
[11:16] <greycat> I'm pretty sure that in my case, it's my ISP (or their upstream ISP) that has the issue, because someone in #debian in Korea was having a problem reaching wooledge.org a couple weeks ago. Turned out to be that window scaling issue.
[11:17] <toad_> the last comment has a point
[11:17] <toad_> on that page
[11:18] <toad_> "Even if Linux in general has a strong enough presence, does kernel.org Linux have it?" ...
[11:18] <hobx_> meaning?
[11:19] <toad_> meaning everyone uses RedHat or SuSE or whatever customized kernels which will just take the performance hit and be compatible with more sites
[11:19] <d-ArkAngel> well mines a Redhat kernel and it's still suffering, so Redhat haven't put the hack in yet
[11:20] <greycat> I'm pretty sure Debian's 2.6.8 kernel images experience the problem too
[11:20] <toad_> although actually... M$ is going to have to do this sooner or later, if consumer bandwidth keeps going up
[11:21] <hobx_> What am I supposed to be noticing?
[11:21] <toad_> http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/
[11:22] <toad_> i can't get to http://wooledge.org/~greg/cwru-protest/
[11:22] <toad_> because of this issue
[11:22] <greycat> linux 2.6.8 users can't reach http://wooledge.org/ and some other sites because of... yeah, that url.
[11:22] <toad_> well specifically because greycat's ISP has some ridiculous firewalling
[11:22] <greycat> this could conceivably affect freenet too, couldn't it?
[11:22] <greycat> freenet certainly uses TCP...
[11:22] <toad_> greycat: lol
[11:22] <hobx_> " one DP opteron
[11:22] <hobx_> somewhere in Russia". Hehe. Pwned?
[11:23] <toad_> huh?
[11:23] <hobx_> you been cracking and hijacking russian servers?
[11:23] <d-ArkAngel> toad, run the line they say in that page. "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_default_win_scale"
[11:24] <d-ArkAngel> see if you can see the page then
[11:24] <toad_> i want to know whether it is the cause of me not being able to log into the russian server...
[11:25] <greycat> if the behavior changes after you toggle that setting, then that's probably it
[11:25] <toad_> hmm apparently not...
[11:25] <d-ArkAngel> did that happen only after you updated to 2.6.8?
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[11:28] <toad_> well i can get to wooledge.org now
[11:28] <toad_> but i still can't get to the server
[11:28] <greycat> :)
[11:29] <toad_> "Peace yes, WWII no"
[11:29] <toad_> spelling mistake
[11:29] <toad_> there are 3 I's in WWIII...
[11:29] <greycat> oops, sorry
[11:36] <toad_> [VERY VERY OT] /me mumbles something about how peaceful iraq was under sanctions and perpetual bombardment that killed far more people than the War... ;)
[11:36] <toad_> all replies to #freenet-politics, i'm on there too ;)
[11:37] <toad_> in any case it's good to have protest pics on freenet
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[11:46] <toad_> we have a surprisingly good balance...
[11:46] <toad_> considering that inserts suck, and there's little visible progress apart from simulations
[11:47] <sanity> hi toad
[11:47] <toad_> hi sanity
[11:47] <d-ArkAngel> well simulations are part of progress
[11:47] <d-ArkAngel> because after we've learned stuff from sims then we can implement that on the network.
[11:47] <toad_> did you read my recent emails on tech? you said i should blog a bit to tech with explanations
[11:48] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: indeed
[11:48] <sanity> toad: will read now
[11:50] <sanity> ah yes
[11:50] <sanity> looks positive
[11:50] <sanity> i am worried about this insert issue though
[11:50] <toad_> both of them?
[11:50] <sanity> any thoughts on how to debug it?
[11:50] <toad_> well, i'm told it's improved significantly
[11:50] <sanity> oh, good
[11:50] <toad_> greycat said it takes an hour to insert an updated DBR now
[11:50] <toad_> which is way better than it was
[11:51] <sanity> still not good though :-/
[11:51] <toad_> we might still want to consider a network reset though
[11:51] <sanity> i am in favour of that
[11:51] <toad_> why?
[11:51] * spaetzAway is now known as spaetz
[11:52] <sanity> because i am almost always in favour of that when things aren't going well - it can hardly hurt
[11:52] <toad_> why are you in favour of a network reset? every time we do one we fragment the network, create islands...
[11:52] <toad_> hmmm
[11:52] <sanity> yes, but if we are going to do one, better sooner than later
[11:52] <toad_> well i hope the current timeouts are reasonable
[11:52] <d-ArkAngel> have you tried an offlinert without estimator passing?
[11:52] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: no
[11:53] <d-ArkAngel> just wondering since they might help with the same issues...
[11:53] <toad_> perhaps...
[11:53] <toad_> sanity: the current timeouts are really quite ridiculously high
[11:53] <toad_> I think they are consistent now
[11:54] <d-ArkAngel> although I suppose that estimator passing would work better on a live network, since you can't have everyone in the real network in your offlinert :-)
[11:54] <toad_> that was certainly one of the big things behind the insert problems
[11:55] <d-ArkAngel> when was the last reset?
[11:55] <toad_> at htl 20... hopTime of 4000*24+1.96*sqrt(24)*7000+24*6000 = 307 seconds
[11:55] <toad_> i.e. 5 minutes
[11:55] <toad_> and the storedata time is more than twice that
[11:55] <toad_> the last component is from queueing
[11:56] <toad_> there also are probably some client issues
[11:57] * toad_ does a test insert
[11:57] <toad_> no, i can'
[11:57] <toad_> t
[11:57] <toad_> bleep
[11:57] <toad_> somebody else do one please?
[11:57] <sanity> i will once my node comes up
[11:57] <toad_> i can't do a test insert because I don't want to start up a node and interfere with the simulations
[11:58] <toad_> sanity: this is your transient?
[11:58] <toad_> runs for 8 hours a week? :)
[11:58] <d-ArkAngel> toad, I've got a node you can play with it you want.
[11:58] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: that'd be useful
[11:58] <d-ArkAngel> it's accessable at 192.168.1.3 from hard-core
[11:58] <sanity> well, i decided given how my connection goes up and down so much, it would be more of a hindrance to the network than a help
[11:58] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: FCP is open?
[11:59] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: how's CPU usage?
[11:59] <d-ArkAngel> usage is very high (it's using java bigInts because it's Via C3 isn't recognised)
[11:59] <toad_> hmmm
[11:59] <toad_> thus the timeouts problems are multiplied...
[12:00] <d-ArkAngel> actally it's not that bad...
[12:00] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: have you enabled doCPULoad=true?
[12:00] <toad_> that might be a good idea
[12:00] <d-ArkAngel> looks like it's only using about 40-60% of the CPU time
[12:01] <d-ArkAngel> load averages are 1.16, 1.02, 0.83
[12:01] <d-ArkAngel> 0.89, 0.97, 0.82
[12:01] <d-ArkAngel> so it's not maxed load wise.
[12:02] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: is fcp open?
[12:02] <toad_> i need fcp (or a shell)
[12:02] <toad_> from hard-core
[12:03] <d-ArkAngel> you mean can you use the node from there? yeah
[12:03] <d-ArkAngel> it's open to my whole local network
[12:03] <toad_> i mean use the node ON FCP
[12:03] <toad_> not just on mainport
[12:03] <toad_> fcp is not open - at least not on port 8481
[12:03] <d-ArkAngel> yeah, just use an ssh port forward when you ssh into hard-core and you should be set.
[12:04] <toad_> set fcpHosts=192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0
[12:04] <d-ArkAngel> I've done that from here a few times
[12:04] <toad_> ah
[12:04] <toad_> i can ssh into it?
[12:04] <toad_> no, i can't...
[12:04] <d-ArkAngel> no
[12:04] <toad_> 8481 is not open on 192.168.1.3 accessed from hard-core
[12:04] <toad_> 8888 is
[12:05] <toad_> but 8481 is much more useful
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> ok I'll add the fcpHosts line
[12:05] <toad_> fcpHosts=127.0.0.0/8,192.168.1.0/24
[12:05] <toad_> that's a better line
[12:05] <toad_> and uncomment it (remove any leading %)
[12:06] <d-ArkAngel> my node has no example conf file :-( I'm just adding these lines to a blank .conf file. still I'm learning what they all do, so I suppose it's better :-)
[12:06] <spaetz> d-ArkAngel: C3 recognition: would that lead to INFO: Non-optimized native BigInteger library 'net/i2p/util/libjbigi-linux-none.so' loaded from resource
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[12:06] <spaetz> ?
[12:07] <d-ArkAngel> yes
[12:07] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: you will need to restart
[12:07] <d-ArkAngel> I think so
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[12:07] <spaetz> mmh, what a pity.
[12:07] <toad_> wb sanity
[12:07] <toad_> well it ought to load the 586 .so
[12:07] <toad_> but that'd require detection code for a C3
[12:07] <d-ArkAngel> I've got a huge dataStore on that node by the way toad, it's takeing ages for the poor little C3 to parse it all on startup
[12:08] <toad_> another option is to bench alll of them
[12:08] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: so the config file isn't empty?
[12:08] <toad_> ah
[12:08] <toad_> duh
[12:08] <d-ArkAngel> you can gcc compile a c3 optimised binary...
[12:08] <d-ArkAngel> if someone could point me in the direction of the source.
[12:08] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: yes but you can't compile a c3 optimized libgmp
[12:09] <toad_> it's not in the config options
[12:09] <toad_> so it'd be the C code rather than the asm
[12:09] <d-ArkAngel> shame.
[12:09] <toad_> there's hand coded asm for each cpu supported you see...
[12:09] <toad_> but you could just bench all the different x86 cores to see which is best
[12:09] <spaetz> toad, actually new C3 should be i686 and not i586 :)
[12:09] <toad_> and then put that into your jar
[12:09] <toad_> spaetz: maybe. C3 is a superscalar thingy a la pentium
[12:10] <toad_> it might perform better on i586
[12:10] <toad_> two pipelines
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[12:10] <toad_> no u-ops iirc
[12:10] <toad_> otoh it has MMX and SSE doesn't it?
[12:10] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: is it restarted yet?
[12:11] <spaetz> mmh, don't ask me on the internals. I just run one :). The docs state to compile with i686 instead of i586, but I guess it doesn't make a big difference
[12:11] <spaetz> it has mmx and sse yes
[12:11] <toad_> what docs?
[12:12] <spaetz> compile docs for Gentoo as published on viaarena.com for example
[12:12] <d-ArkAngel> I'm not sure if it's finished yet....
[12:12] <d-ArkAngel> takes quite a whil.
[12:12] <d-ArkAngel> I'll ping it and see :-)
[12:12] <d-ArkAngel> yeah, well 8888 is working, so I think it's up
[12:13] <toad_> okay inserting trivial test CHK
[12:13] <toad_> 3 restarts already...
[12:13] <toad_> note that going to AWSD counts as a restart, and is perfectly normal...
[12:14] <d-ArkAngel> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 68 (63/5/200)
[12:14] <toad_> not bad
[12:14] <toad_> this will take a while
[12:14] <toad_> bbiab
[12:14] * toad_ goes to get food
[12:14] <d-ArkAngel> I guess that's because it came back up fast enough for the nodes that were previously connected to reconnect to me.
[12:15] <toad_> yup, that's one way to test if you're firewalled
[12:15] <d-ArkAngel> firewalled?
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[12:43] <jay> ie all incoming connections are blocked at the firewall
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[12:43] <jay> and only certain ports are allowed to pass through
[12:44] <jay> d-ArkAngel: any inbound connections means the firewall is properly configured in this case
[12:45] <spaetz> build 5096. That is the stable network, isn't it?
[12:45] <spaetz> I downloaded freenet-latest
[12:45] <jay> yeah
[12:46] <spaetz> darn, will update.sh bring me to the unstable or should I get the CVS directly or something?
[12:46] <jay> dunno about that one
[12:47] <jay> err i could check
[12:47] <spaetz> ok, thanks anyway. I'll find out myself
[12:47] <jay> answer is no
[12:47] <jay> i compile unstable from cvs or the tarball when inspired
[12:48] <jay> spaetz: sebastian?
[12:48] <spaetz> mmh, just found freenet-unstable-latest.tgz
[12:48] <spaetz> jay: yep. That's me :)
[12:48] <jay> spaetz: cool.. welcome back!
[12:49] <spaetz> thanks. just popping in :)
[12:49] <jay> i like hanging around here for some reason
[12:49] <jay> toad is lots of fun :)
[12:49] <spaetz> I missed to tease hobx, so I decided to come back :)
[12:49] <jay> yeah he comes around now too
[12:49] <spaetz> yep, toad is a cool guy
[12:50] <spaetz> I won't be doing any Windows related stuff anymore, though. I switched 100% now
[12:50] <jay> glad to hear it
[12:51] <hobx_> Schwarzenegger, who came to the United States in 1968 and became a citizen in 1983... Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, a friend of Schwarzenegger's, has proposed a 20-year citizenship requirement [to become preasident].
[12:51] <jay> isn't life more peaceful without that nonsense?
[12:51] <hobx_> Actually he could have made it 25 since he can't run until 2008 anyways. Unless the republicans have a plan they have not told us about.
[12:51] <jay> spaetz: oh yeah and nodeconfig is broken (sometimes) ;)
[12:51] <spaetz> hobx: yeah, 20 years. What a coincidence, that would allow him to become president, err, now...
[12:52] <jay> first ronnie then arnie
[12:52] <spaetz> jay, isn't it alway? :)
[12:52] <jay> heh
[12:52] <hobx_> I think Arnold would make a fine president.
[12:52] <jay> spaetz: windows u mean?
[12:52] <hobx_> A president needs to keeck sahm ahss!
[12:54] <jay> my country is earth's joke
[12:54] <hobx_> You Austrian or American?
[12:54] <jay> heh the latter
[12:55] <spaetz> jay, fortunately some European commission will send independant vote watcher
[12:55] <jay> before that i was italian
[12:55] <spaetz> (don't get me started on Germany though, different problems but certainly not better)
[12:55] <jay> hobx_: ironically my family left italy around 1915 to come here.. in order to escape facism
[12:56] <jay> here being the US
[12:56] <spaetz> time to move back? :)
[12:56] <hobx_> Don't exagerate. Some dumb people in politics does not fascism make.
[12:56] <jay> no time to move to toronto :)
[12:56] <jay> yoda speaks
[12:56] <hobx_> All the stupid europeans with there fascist jibes ought to get some persepctive.
[12:56] <jay> hobx_: well the merger of corporate and government interest make one, hmm?
[12:57] <hobx_> you have a long way to go
[12:57] <jay> well thankfully for that
[12:57] <hobx_> I would say America is further from fascism in that sense then any european country.
[12:57] <jay> the seeds are being sown tho
[12:57] <d-ArkAngel> I have windows only for games, and if ATI bring out x86_64 drivers then I might even stop doing that.
[12:57] <jay> not just here in the states but this is where i live
[12:57] <spaetz> hobx_: but the damage done there will take a long time to repair.
[12:58] <hobx_> Eh. I doubt it.
[12:58] <hobx_> These things swing back and forth.
[12:59] <spaetz> ahh, it will take a couple of years to reverse some really bad laws and it will take decade until the finances are back under control
[12:59] <spaetz> (not that Europes finances look any better though)
[12:59] <jay> the control america exercises over the media is enough to be concerned
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[13:00] <jay> the US is now blocking canadian news channels being carried in the states
[13:00] <jay> no debate = unified "democracy"
[13:01] <hobx_> Indeed Americas finances are in trouble. Especially if Kerry wins, in which case we may well see a world recession (as it happens, I still want Kerry to win, but it will cost us).
[13:01] <d-ArkAngel> have you guys thought about holding this conversation in #freenet-politics
[13:01] <jay> d-ArkAngel: no, since there isn't anything else being discussed here new guy ;)
[13:01] <hobx_> d-ArkAngel: Is anybody trying to have a devel discussion?
[13:02] <d-ArkAngel> who knows ;-)
[13:02] <hobx_> Personally I think #freenet-devel would be more appropriate. The project channel should be a place to hang out.
[13:02] <jay> d-ArkAngel: the lists should be kept on-topic at all times.. the chan isn't *as* strict
[13:02] <jay> hobx_: agreed
[13:03] <hobx_> But anyways, I need to work.
[13:03] <hobx_> later
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[13:11] <jay> mailing lists are quiet
[13:18] <hobx_> that's cause they are so on-topic
[13:20] <jay> heh
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[13:47] <spaetz> oh boy, it sucks all the horse powers out of my box: Load due to CPU usage = 133,3% = 100% / 0.75
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[15:08] <zorton> i'm having a terrible time getting iip to work :(
[15:08] <zorton> is there an iip channel?
[15:09] <spaetz> just on IIP itself, I think :-)
[15:09] <zorton> heh
[15:09] <zorton> well i'm trying the new network (I think)
[15:10] <zorton> because didn't the orginal iip servers close down?
[15:10] <spaetz> Probably they are listening through: i2p_iip
[15:10] <spaetz> They used to do that at least
[15:10] <zorton> yeah
[15:10] <zorton> I saw someone in here the other night that was using the relay
[15:10] <zorton> so i'm pretty sure the entwork is at least running
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[15:43] <toad_> anyone got any experience with cygwin?
[15:43] <toad_> #!/bin/bash
[15:43] <toad_> java -classpath "freenet.jar;freenet-ext.jar" freenet.client.cli.Main
[15:43] <toad_> this works
[15:44] <toad_> but when i run another script, which is very similar, it doesn't
[15:47] <KenMan> hmmm, I have to install cygwin in order to compile mozilla for win32. I've used it a year or two back. Seemed pretty decent.
[15:47] <KenMan> so command line works, but scripted command doesn't ?
[15:48] <KenMan> oh, no. I see. script #1 works, #2 doesn't ...
[15:49] <plixed> cygwin was always buggy when i tried it
[15:49] <KenMan> well, it's not perfect, but...
[15:49] <toad_> command line works
[15:49] <toad_> one script works
[15:49] <toad_> other script doesn't work
[15:50] <plixed> why java in cygwin and not in native w32?
[15:50] <toad_> so that i can log in remotely
[15:50] <KenMan> how big is "other script" that doesn't work ?
[15:50] <plixed> tightvnc does that for you
[15:51] <toad_> and?
[15:51] <KenMan> Either there is a wasp buzzing around inside my wall, or the mice have chewed my electric wires too far :o
[15:51] <toad_> maybe i like having a command line?
[15:52] <plixed> then use your favorite *nix not w32 ;-)
[15:52] <KenMan> you mean, windows command prompt isn't good enough for you !? ;)
[15:52] <toad_> plixed: it's not my machine
[15:52] <toad_> "so use bo2k"
[15:52] * toad_ preempts the obvious response
[15:53] <plixed> then try tightvnc and use native stuff, is safes you from many headaches
[15:53] <plixed> s/is/it/
[15:53] <KenMan> heh. the other option is that "Unix services for windows" pkg MS has made freely available.
[15:53] <spaetz> toad: borrowing more machines :-)?
[15:53] <plixed> saves
[15:54] <spaetz> scripts and paths should work fine on recent cygwins
[15:54] <toad_> spaetz: yes
[15:54] <spaetz> never tried sshd on one though
[15:54] <toad_> plixed: I still want to do it remotely
[15:55] <toad_> taking remote command of the entire UI is not what I call running it remotely
[15:55] <KenMan> I know someone who managed to ssh into cygwin several years ago. But he had to stay logged in to windows to keep the sshd running :p
[15:55] <toad_> KenMan: i'm pretty sure sshd works reasonably well now
[15:55] <toad_> it's just some wierd quoting issue i suspect
[15:56] <spaetz> toad: I bet you found the Howto yourselv already: http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/cygwin-sshd.html
[15:56] <toad_> nope
[15:56] <toad_> well not this time, and i didn't remember it
[15:57] <toad_> bbl
[15:57] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad
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[19:16] <toad_> hi ppl
[19:16] * toad_ is back for now
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[19:55] <toad_> Probably have more comments but Nip Tuck just started ;-)
[19:55] <toad_> Ian.
[19:55] <toad_> --
[19:55] <toad_> ewww
[19:55] <toad_> that was part of one of ian's emails re ffii
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[20:20] <sanity> what???!?? Its good!
[20:20] <toad_> hmmm question re e-platinum.. /me is looking for a merchant
[20:21] <toad_> sanity: :)
[20:21] <toad_> sanity: I learned all there is to know about plastic surgery from The Life and Loves of a She-Devil
[20:21] <toad_> :)
[20:21] <sanity> no, its interesting, because it is a frank discussion about sex. that is very rare on US TV
[20:21] <sanity> it is extremely clever
[20:22] <sanity> oh, /me has a new blog :- http://locut.us/~ian/blog/
[20:24] <toad_> sanity: do you think those graphs are promising? i have my doubts
[20:24] <sanity> which graphs?
[20:25] <toad_> hmm, are there ANY non-gold e-metal merchants in europe?
[20:26] <toad_> LGE only does gold. IceGold only does gold.
[20:28] * toad_ supposes gold is sexy, and holding more than one e-metal isn't really worth the cost
[20:30] <toad_> sanity: what's the minimum value for taking e-silver etc to be viable? given that we'd probably have to either convert it with a US merchant, then send it to LGE, or drop it into a US bank account and then feed it into paypal?
[20:31] <sanity> no idea
[20:31] <toad_> (as opposed to e-gold)
[20:31] <toad_> hmmm
[20:31] <toad_> call it $200
[20:31] <sanity> i would like a stash of gold in my safe, but that would be purely for perceptual reasons
[20:31] <sanity> i'd also settle for platinum
[20:32] <toad_> :)
[20:32] <sanity> of course, i'd have to buy a safe
[20:32] <toad_> that requires you have enough to pay for the mail fees
[20:32] <toad_> hehe
[20:32] <toad_> The project's current Paypal balance is <b>
[20:32] <toad_> -$915.65</b>
[20:32] <toad_> +$996.91</b>
[20:32] <toad_> nice
[20:32] <sanity> it would be fun turning up at Clydesdale bank with a bag of gold asking them to look after it
[20:33] <toad_> considering there's not much happening...
[20:33] <toad_> sanity: well there are places on the high street that probably buy gold..
[20:34] * toad_ hmmmz
[20:34] <toad_> the timeouts may not be quite right yet
[20:34] <toad_> :(
[20:34] <toad_> or it might be a client problem somehow
[20:35] <toad_> but about these graphs...
[20:35] * toad_ updates them
[20:42] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-100x25.png
[20:42] <toad_> i think i stopped blue
[20:42] <toad_> otherwise that would be more interesting
[20:42] <toad_> anyway probably 10 is enough
[20:42] <toad_> definitely 11 is
[20:43] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-200x25.png
[20:43] <toad_> seem to be settling a bit
[20:43] <toad_> 15 is definitely enough to get consistent 95%
[20:43] <toad_> 14 might be, should run it
[20:45] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-400x25.png
[20:45] <toad_> green and red probably settling, maybe rising slightly
[20:45] <toad_> unfortunately that's HTL 22
[20:45] <toad_> newbiehits=500 definitely bad
[20:46] <toad_> RT size of 50 seems to help a bit
[20:46] <toad_> maybe it'll make it with RT of 50
[20:47] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-epass-0.025-800x25.png
[20:47] <toad_> not sure why i ran green at htl 22, probably a mistake
[20:47] <toad_> anyway they're both rising
[20:47] <toad_> but will take aaages to converge
[20:48] <toad_> red has slowed down a lot and is still under 90%
[20:48] <toad_> after nearly 3 million reqs
[20:48] <toad_> but it might make it
[20:50] <toad_> so if we go to a 50 node RT at 400, then maybe it works
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[21:07] <toad_> hi Gunnar
[21:19] <toad_> bbl zzz
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