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[11:25] * Set by toad_ on Fri Sep 24 14:57:57 EDT 2004
[11:28] <fimp> hi
[11:28] <fimp> do you know of any libertarian sites on freenet?
[11:29] <d-ArkAngel> nope
[11:29] <fimp> :/
[11:29] <dli__> fimp: you set up one :)
[11:30] <d-ArkAngel> but then I don't know much about what's in freenet. :-) (or what libertarian means....)
[11:30] <fimp> Im writing an aritcle for a danish libertarian online magazine, and what to give the new users of freenet who have read my article, some libertarian stuff to look at on freenet
[11:30] <greycat> www.lp.org
[11:30] <fimp> d-ArkAngel, political ideologi based on the principle of self-ownership
[11:31] <dli__> greycat: hehe, they make "lp" as the name :(
[11:31] <greycat> libertarian party
[11:31] * d-ArkAngel ducks because of the speed that went over his head
[11:31] <fimp> lp is weird...
[11:31] <dli__> greycat: hehe, it means "housewife" in Chinese, at least my first impression
[11:32] <fimp> but I would hope there were some sites on freenet on the subject
[11:32] <greycat> dli: "lp" does?
[11:32] <fimp> freenet has a great potential with libertarianism
[11:32] <dli__> greycat: yeah, lao po :) wife
[11:32] <greycat> fimp: there have been, in the past. whether they're still retrievable, I don't know.
[11:32] <fimp> greycat, you wouldnt know their adress?
[11:33] <d-ArkAngel> what e-mail address should I send this benchmark to? I'll send the best one I've got while toads sim is running.
[11:33] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, dli@riz-sage.uchicago.edu :)
[11:34] <d-ArkAngel> 14.7 P/S is the best in a ful run to 1024
[11:35] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, good :)
[11:35] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, what kind of simulation from toad?
[11:35] <d-ArkAngel> it's one of the freenet simulations
[11:35] <d-ArkAngel> based on a non-fully connected graph
[11:36] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, oh, how many nodes you have?
[11:36] <d-ArkAngel> real nodes? or running in the simulation?
[11:36] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, we are setting up a new cluster, something like 20 nodes of P4
[11:36] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, real cpu
[11:36] <greycat> http://127.0.0.1:8888/SSK@PnRC69KodFADFqF5gKxMwxHME7gPAgM/TheMoneyChangers/1//
[11:36] <d-ArkAngel> 2 :-)
[11:37] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, probably, I could help
[11:37] <d-ArkAngel> it's single threaded ;-)
[11:38] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, I could run many copies
[11:38] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, with different set up
[11:38] <greycat> http://127.0.0.1:8888/SSK@Ov-NRz4IHqBmuADIWEvImPGr1sMPAgM/JohnGalt/13//
[11:38] <fimp> greycat, is that something libertarian?
[11:38] <greycat> http://127.0.0.1:8888/SSK@R2d3wF8WJrIrSplckIqBqZS3QcIPAgM/lfetimes/7//
[11:38] <fimp> ooh, ayn rand cool
[11:39] <greycat> those three should qualify, if you can get them
[11:39] <d-ArkAngel> yeah, he's already been offered some time on a supercomputer :-) we're just playing with the sim at the moment.
[11:39] <fimp> how did you find that?
[11:39] <greycat> they're all linked from TFE
[11:39] <fimp> okay
[11:39] <d-ArkAngel> let him know tho, I'm sure he'll be greatful
[11:40] <fimp> Im not even able to access TFE :/
[11:40] <fimp> Isnt all pages meant to be equally retrievable?
[11:41] <greycat> if you can't get TFE, then you have some major issues
[11:41] <greycat> (and we're nowhere near the 00:00 UTC boundary)
[11:41] <dli__> d-ArkAngel, if you only got two nodes, probably, he could login to our new cluster (from old boxes, though)
[11:41] <fimp> my node is all new, I have to reinstall it every time I want to go freenetting
[11:41] <greycat> why do you have to reinstall it?
[11:42] <fimp> I cant access localhost:8888 if I just start it the second time
[11:42] <greycat> why not? what OS? what build? what's the log say?
[11:43] <fimp> xandros, freenet build 5095
[11:43] <d-ArkAngel> how long have you given it after starting before you try and access?
[11:43] <fimp> d-ArkAngel, some minutes
[11:43] <greycat> xandros? is that a linux distro?
[11:44] <fimp> greycat, sure, quite easy to use
[11:44] <d-ArkAngel> I thought I was having that problem, but it turned out that it was just takeing a long time to start the second time.
[11:44] <d-ArkAngel> 5-6 min
[11:44] <greycat> then it should be easy to figure out what's going on. what does the freenet.log file say when you restart it?
[11:44] <fimp> only the second time?
[11:44] <fimp> how do I shutdown freenet, so I can try to start it again?
[11:44] <d-ArkAngel> ./stop-freenet.sh
[11:44] <greycat> ./stop_freenet.sh or whatever they call the script
[11:45] * greycat has his own scripts, so...
[11:45] <d-ArkAngel> show off
[11:45] <greycat> anyway, kill the PID that's in the freenet PID file.
[11:46] <fimp> greycat, you were joking about xandros :)
[11:46] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad
[11:46] <fimp> this time it works
[11:46] <fimp> maybe it is only when I reboot
[11:47] <greycat> when?
[11:47] <fimp> <greycat> xandros? is that a linux distro?
[11:47] <greycat> that wasn't a joke
[11:47] <d-ArkAngel> I've never heard of it either...
[11:47] <fimp> but youre a linux-guy yourself?
[11:47] <greycat> I use debian and openbsd at home, plus hp-ux and red hat at work
[11:48] <d-ArkAngel> mandrake, debian, redhat, LFS, Fedora, gentoo are the ones I've played with
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[11:48] <fimp> okay :) i thought most linux-people knew xandros. perhaps you remember corel linux? xandros is its successor
[11:49] <fimp> d-ArkAngel, Ive had mandrake and debian too, but xandros is for people like me who doesnt want to play anymore :)
[11:50] <d-ArkAngel> I recognise the name, I might have had it on a cover CD once or twice back in the day :-)
[11:51] <fimp> has "netserv" something to do with freenet?
[11:51] <d-ArkAngel> I'm funning fedora now. that's pretty good for being just usabel.
[11:52] <fimp> d-ArkAngel, fedora/redhat is ok, but not any better than mandrake imo
[11:52] <d-ArkAngel> indeed, they're just easy to get started with
[11:53] <d-ArkAngel> my all time fav is linux from scratch, but it takes so damn long to get setup :-)
[11:53] <fimp> yeah... xandros and pclinuxos is easy all the way though :)
[11:53] <d-ArkAngel> easier than mandrake?
[11:53] <d-ArkAngel> is that possible?
[11:54] <fimp> oh yeah, they are way ahead of mandrake
[11:54] <fimp> nvidia, flash, java works out-of-the-box
[11:54] <fimp> realplayer too
[11:54] <d-ArkAngel> oh, so they've got all the closed source stuff packaged in.
[11:54] <fimp> and they boot faster, especially xandros
[11:55] <fimp> yup they do, and the newbie will be gratefull
[11:55] <fimp> and the lazy like me too :)
[11:55] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[11:56] <d-ArkAngel> LFS is good, because you get what you install, (and it boots way faster than anything else I've ever seen)
[11:56] <fimp> arklinux is also very very easy, installation is three clicks, and you can play tetris while files are getting copied :)
[11:56] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[11:57] <fimp> but lfs is maybe 3^33333333 hours of installation :D
[11:57] <i2p_iip> <gott> YOU MAKE ME FEEL
[11:57] <d-ArkAngel> lol, maybe 8 hours, but yeah still damn slow.
[11:57] <fimp> arklinux is all the way opensource, and they are developing their own OS-flashplayer to include in the distro
[11:58] <hobx_> somebody is working on a Free flash player?
[11:58] <fimp> ark yeah
[11:58] <i2p_iip> <gott> YOU MAKE ME FEEL
[11:58] <i2p_iip> <gott> YOU MAKE ME FEEL LIKE A NATURAL
[11:58] <hobx_> that would rule. Macromedia's player stinks
[11:58] <i2p_iip> <gott> superman
[11:58] <i2p_iip> <gott> la la la
[11:58] <hobx_> NOTICE IIP PEOPLE: I will ban the bot if you don't ban gott!
[11:58] <fimp> hobx, some time ago, there were even work on a free flash development suite for linux
[11:59] <d-ArkAngel> lol
[11:59] <i2p_iip> <gott> hobx: toad never complains. why do you ?
[12:00] * goatee_ is now known as goatee
[12:00] <hobx_> yeah, there was a free player but it never worked very well. The best way to stop OS development is to release a decent Linux version yourself (cf flash, java, and recently skype).
[12:00] <hobx_> gott: I'm an asshole. Ask anyone around here.
[12:00] <i2p_iip> <gott> you should be living for love
[12:00] <fimp> so you dont like commercial software for linux?
[12:00] <d-ArkAngel> least he's not propositioning you hobx :-)
[12:01] <i2p_iip> <gott> when the road gets too tough, is your love strong enough ? Obviously, the answer is no in hobx's case. Conversely, it is yes in toad's.
[12:01] <hobx_> fimp: I have found, from a completely selfish perspective, that in the long run it does more harm than good.
[12:02] <hobx_> Perhaps that is not true about some big speciality applications.
[12:02] <i2p_iip> <gott> at least I know how to love. And I do love you, hobx. I love the whole world. But sometimes you just have to take the long and hard road of ignorance in furthering your own dream of musical glory
[12:02] <fimp> why does it harm?
[12:02] <i2p_iip> <gott> and that is : YOU MAKE ME FEEL / YOU MAKE ME FEEL / YOU MAKE ME FEEL LIKE A NATURAL / gott
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[12:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> HE'S SWEDISH !
[12:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> !!!
[12:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> what a fucking skurk
[12:03] <hobx> part #freenet
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[12:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> d-ArkAngel: message him and tell him that he is a skurk, on behalf of me
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[12:03] <i2p_iip> <gott> oh, he already heard that
[12:04] <hobx> hmm, no op
[12:04] <hobx> I guess there is an IP mask on it
[12:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> are you swedish, hobx ?
[12:04] * hobx is now known as hobx_
[12:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> or just studying in sweden ?
[12:04] <hobx_> gott: yes
[12:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> or using a swedish proxy ?
[12:04] <i2p_iip> <gott> do I make you hungry ?
[12:05] <i2p_iip> <gott> does my nick make you hungry ?
[12:05] <fimp> btw, I thought all freenet sites would be equally retrievable? how come they aint?
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[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> because routing isn't perfect :-)
[12:05] <hobx> hmm
[12:05] <d-ArkAngel> also thier retrivability is based on thier popularity
[12:05] <hobx> I guess I can't ban him.
[12:06] <hobx> I feel so impotent
[12:06] <fimp> d-ArkAngel, I think I read that was the case with gnutella etc. but not freenet?
[12:06] <i2p_iip> <gott> you're swedish. you aren't impotent.
[12:06] <hobx> exit
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[12:06] <hobx_> damn I suck at /
[12:06] <i2p_iip> <gott> anyway, hobx. I only answer to toad or Danny Boy. tell them your complaints and we will work from there.
[12:07] <d-ArkAngel> freenet is not all that far away from gnutella in many ways.
[12:07] <hobx_> what was the case?
[12:07] <i2p_iip> <gott> until then, you are a skurk and I will have nothing to do with you.
[12:07] <i2p_iip> <gott> until then, you are a skurk and I will have nothing to do with you.
[12:07] <d-ArkAngel> but the freenet is still pre 1.0 so it's not working as well as it is hoped it will at that point.
[12:07] <i2p_iip> <gott> DU ?R FAGBOY
[12:08] <hobx_> And you are 12.
[12:08] <i2p_iip> <gott> no you are
[12:08] <d-ArkAngel> just put i2p_iip on ignore on your client and move on if he bothers you that much :-)
[12:09] <hobx_> I know, np
[12:09] <hobx_> I think being pre 1.0 doesn't really excuse everything
[12:09] <i2p_iip> <gott> do I bother you, d-ArkAngel ?
[12:09] <hobx_> it is easy enough to keep a program pre 1.0 forever.
[12:09] <fimp> where is freenet currently? 0.6?
[12:09] <hobx_> 0.6.0 or something
[12:09] <d-ArkAngel> 1.0 is the point at which it meets it's desgin goals
[12:10] <hobx_> note the . . notation allowing for 0.465.12
[12:10] <i2p_iip> <gott> d-ArkAngel, you are nice so I hope I haven't bothered you *hug*
[12:11] <d-ArkAngel> it takes a whole lot of effort to bother me ;-)
[12:11] <i2p_iip> <gott> *HUG!!!*
[12:11] <d-ArkAngel> true, but as a sane project they have a set of problems they want to solve, and when they are solved then it's ready for 1.0
[12:12] <d-ArkAngel> it's currently 0.5 I beleive, tho there has been plenty of talk about 0.6
[12:13] <d-ArkAngel> tho I could easily be wrong.
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[12:33] <bllx> anyone know, is it cool to stick in a dyndns.org IP into freenet.conf if you have transient set to true ?
[12:33] <bllx> or is it pointless
[12:33] <d-ArkAngel> transient dosn't do anything anymore I don't think
[12:33] <bllx> oh
[12:33] <bllx> ok
[12:33] <d-ArkAngel> and haveing a dyndns.org name will help, because nodes work better if they van accept incomming connections
[12:34] <bllx> btw, my cpu usage has dropped down to max 20 or 30% from 90% earlier
[12:34] <d-ArkAngel> s/van/can/
[12:34] <d-ArkAngel> what bandwidth numbers did you pick?
[12:34] <bllx> your ones
[12:35] <d-ArkAngel> well there's no reason you can't increase them a little and see how it effects things.
[12:35] <bllx> i cant remember if i did any port forwards for freenet when I set it up: Id need to to accept incoming connections right?
[12:35] <bllx> in my NAT
[12:35] <d-ArkAngel> you need a port on your router forwarded for it to accept connections yes
[12:36] <d-ArkAngel> the ideal is to get them as high as possible, but still have the limits so you don't get killed by the load/bandwidth usage
[12:36] <bllx> ill look into that Ark
[12:37] <bllx> is it the listenPort i need to forward?
[12:37] <d-ArkAngel> yes
[12:37] <bllx> cc
[12:38] <bllx> yes its set ok
[12:48] <bllx> well thanks Ark...l8r all
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[12:57] <jay> <gott> But sometimes you just have to take the long and hard road of ignorance in furthering your own dream of musical glory. (you're in a band?)
[12:58] <jay> <d-ArkAngel> transient dosn't do anything anymore I don't think. (true.. it's totally removed from the source)
[12:59] <jay> d-ArkAngel: how's your node working?
[13:04] <d-ArkAngel> just fine.
[13:05] <jay> d-ArkAngel: are you inserting content at all?
[13:05] <d-ArkAngel> nope
[13:05] <jay> ah
[13:05] <jay> that's all i do ;)
[13:05] <d-ArkAngel> I've heard people having issues with inserting in the current biuld.
[13:05] <jay> and it's still not working well enough
[13:06] <jay> yeah something's up.. id like to talk to toad about fixing it with him
[13:07] <d-ArkAngel> well he's gone out shopping I think :-)
[13:08] <jay> for simulators?
[13:08] <d-ArkAngel> lol, no I think he has tax to pay :-)
[13:08] <jay> hmm
[13:10] <d-ArkAngel> I'm working to parallelise the simulator to try and get it ready for the time on a supercomputer he's been promised.
[13:10] <jay> how are you doing that may i ask?
[13:11] <jay> clue me
[13:11] <d-ArkAngel> :-) threads at the moment.
[13:11] <jay> i see
[13:13] <d-ArkAngel> BBL I'm just going to drive home.
[13:13] <jay> careful!
[13:13] <jay> :)
[13:13] <d-ArkAngel> thx :-)
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[13:13] <jay> there's some nuts out there
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[13:28] <toad_> hi ppl
[13:30] <toad_> <bllx> yes, within 30 mins of firing up freenet. CPU usage is thro the roof
[13:30] <toad_> hmmm
[13:30] <toad_> <bllx> 5 tabs waitin and slowly loading (or not) in Firefox
[13:30] <toad_> <bllx> bandwidth is never stretched tho
[13:30] <toad_> <bllx> i/o is tiny
[13:30] <toad_> hmmm... slow cpu?
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[13:33] <Iakin> [15:56] <dli__> Iakin: what's the number of connections?
[13:34] <Iakin> 60 I think
[13:34] <Iakin> [15:59] <d-ArkAngel> toad: here's a graph from the 25x400 runs. http://www.scabserver.com/freenet/25x100.png
[13:34] <Iakin> Yuck!
[13:37] <hobx_> I think "joke" is closer
[13:38] <Iakin> :)
[13:39] <Iakin> FFS:
[13:39] <Iakin> Critical Update for Windows (KB833407)
[13:39] <Iakin> Download size: 309 KB, less than 1 minute
[13:39] <Iakin> This item updates the Bookshelf Symbol 7 font included in some Microsoft products. The font has been found to contain unacceptable symbols. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer
[13:39] <Iakin> 'Critical update'?
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[13:40] <cbreak> Hmm...
[13:41] <cbreak> Maybe one glyph in the font triggers a buffer overflow in Windows' graphic subroutines...
[13:41] <Iakin> Heh
[13:41] <Iakin> I think it happened to contain some kind of nazi symbol or so..
[13:42] <cbreak> The default Apple Fonts do to...
[13:43] <cbreak> even the unicode standard describes this symbols...
[13:45] <Iakin> ...but not the new version of the 'symbol 7' font :)
[13:45] <Iakin> Microsoft, ahead of the competition!
[13:45] <Iakin> Yeah
[13:45] <cbreak> this shows again that Microsoft does't care about standards...
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[13:53] * toad_ hehe
[13:53] <toad_> join #freenet-politics in a few hours for anarchocapitalist baiting, if you're into that... somebody called "fimp"
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[13:54] <cbreak> Found it. Finaly... (Unicode is to big...)
[13:54] <toad_> cbreak: what is it?
[13:54] <cbreak> 0x534d and 0x5350
[13:54] <cbreak> I wonder which of the two is the evil one...
[13:54] <toad_> pictures?
[13:55] <cbreak> unicode glyphs.
[13:55] <toad_> yeah i mean, url?
[13:55] <toad_> it might be an overflow issue or something
[13:55] <toad_> caused by the glyp
[13:55] <toad_> h
[13:55] <cbreak> looks like a regular evil-nazi-symbol
[13:55] <toad_> there's a swastica in unicode? wow
[13:56] <cbreak> two
[13:56] <jay> toad_: yup :)
[13:56] <Iakin> toad: Yeah, caused by to sharp vector bends ;)
[13:56] <toad_> is it the nazi swastica or the traditional swastica (other way around) ?
[13:56] <jay> it's the version used by the nazis
[13:56] <cbreak> both, I don't know which is which...
[13:56] <jay> spinning counterclockwise
[13:56] <toad_> <dli__> bllx: oh, strange, it doesn't happen to me with the newest build
[13:56] <toad_> might be a 5095 bug
[13:56] <toad_> fixed in 5096?
[13:56] <jay> cbreak: the nazis used the 'spinning wheel' symbol to spin backwards, as a return to old ideas
[13:57] <jay> they're both ancient indian symbols for creation and destruction
[13:58] <toad_> ugh
[13:58] <toad_> no cheers for the ADF
[13:58] <toad_> I assume it's because of the ADF?
[13:58] <toad_> err ADL
[13:59] <jay> ah yes
[13:59] <toad_> although sometimes I think Front is more appropriate
[13:59] <jay> me too
[14:00] <jay> they actually categorize criticism of israeli policy as anti-semitism
[14:00] * toad_ mumbles something about the 8 million largely forgotten non-jews killed in the holocaust...
[14:00] <toad_> s/killed/executed/
[14:01] <jay> toad_: ever get my gpg key?
[14:01] <toad_> jay: yes
[14:01] <jay> it is much larger than in past versions.. at least the ascii armored version
[14:02] <toad_> <dli__> how about a cluster of those dwarves?
[14:02] <toad_> <d-ArkAngel> http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/cluster/
[14:02] <toad_> <dli__> the advantage is the low power, and highly stable
[14:02] <toad_> <dli__> 60 watts for 6 nodes :)
[14:02] <toad_> <d-ArkAngel> "equivalent to at least 4 (maybe 6) 2.4Ghz Pentium IV boxes in parallel on a similar network" :-)
[14:02] <toad_> <d-ArkAngel> that's for 12 nodes tho.
[14:02] <toad_> cool...
[14:02] <toad_> of course they'd suck for FP...
[14:02] <toad_> jay: it includes all the keys you have as well as your key
[14:02] <toad_> that's why
[14:03] <jay> the keys i've signed?
[14:03] <toad_> <dli__> d-ArkAngel, there's a -march=c3
[14:03] <toad_> there is? woah
[14:03] <toad_> then why isn't there a target for GMP for C3?
[14:03] <toad_> there wasn't last i checked, and that was recently...
[14:04] <toad_> ah, -mcpu=c3
[14:04] <cbreak> is native big int still important, now with fast estimators?
[14:04] <jay> cbreak: i would think so stil
[14:06] <Iakin> Got unknown freenet.node.states.request.SendFinished@d2681e@ad5ad3a49624289,true@ 1096476754758:1096476753446:true:null:freenet.message.InsertRequest@1d42b4b InsertRequest @null @ ad5ad3a49624289 on freenet.node.states.request.AwaitingInsert@28419766: key=0b26654b0ca66423f7fbaac967d60811f129d36a0f0203, hopsToLive=0, id=ad5ad3a49624289, routes=null, ft=freenet.node.states.FNP.FNPFeedbackToken@383732, orig=DSA(0d70 ba75 338f 7397 1c49 5a0e c6a0 ee26 e50
[14:06] <Iakin> Hmm.. that is a new one to me..
[14:06] <cbreak> If anyone wants to take a look to the swastikas in unicode standard, you can download a 5 mb pdf: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U4E00.pdf
[14:06] <Iakin> And this one too:
[14:06] <Iakin> State does not receive: freenet.node.states.request.NoStoreData@42b28c@a8f4f235f4fb8255,true: java.lang.NoSuchMethodException: freenet.node.states.request.TransferInsert.receivedMessage(freenet.node.Node, freenet.node.states.request.NoStoreData)
[14:07] <Iakin> Or wait.. that one isn't new..
[14:07] <Iakin> Has been around for a long time
[14:07] <toad_> <cbreak> is native big int still important, now with fast estimators? - yes, for crypto
[14:07] <jay> Iakin: yup
[14:07] <toad_> Iakin: hmm, odd
[14:08] <Iakin> And then one or so of these:
[14:08] <Iakin> Finalized but haven't logged stats and do want to!: freenet.node.states.data.SendData@1773d0e @ 50c97d520ff37568: 50c97d520ff37568/52d1fda10a3256fd: send=freenet.MuxTrailerWriter@1c40892: id=38813, written=414, closed=true, writingPacket=false, ready=false, notifiedReady=false, preQueueSize=0, in=Key: 4f139ee3644489b200040aff07c3d247380477a50f0203 Buffer: freenet.fs.dir.NativeFSDirectory$ExternalNativeBuffer@177a78e:null New: false ( 552 of 1025 read),
[14:08] <jay> Iakin: haven't seen that one with stable
[14:09] <Iakin> This is with stable...
[14:09] <toad_> <Iakin> Heh.. 11 restarteds recieved during a single request (can be seen on the current downloads page). Thats quite a lot :)
[14:10] <toad_> yeah, we do that at the moment...
[14:10] <toad_> it's because of the timeout issues, i think...
[14:10] <jay> toad_: how can i help find this problem myself?
[14:11] <toad_> <bllx> d-ArkAngel: your tip has brought java cpu use down from max 90% to max 50%: thanks - hmm, is that on the mac?
[14:11] <jay> i added some hacks in fcptools to see if i could change it on the client level, but no luck
[14:11] <toad_> jay: which one??
[14:11] <jay> toad_: whatever is causing inserts to timout
[14:12] <jay> my node is retrieving very well and has lots of connections
[14:13] <toad_> <greycat> www.lp.org
[14:13] <toad_> <fimp> d-ArkAngel, political ideologi based on the principle of self-ownership
[14:13] <toad_> <dli__> greycat: hehe, they make "lp" as the name :(
[14:13] <toad_> <greycat> libertarian party
[14:13] <toad_> d-ArkAngel ducks because of the speed that went over his head
[14:13] <toad_> <fimp> lp is weird...
[14:13] <toad_> <dli__> greycat: hehe, it means "housewife" in Chinese, at least my first impression
[14:13] <toad_> <dli__> greycat: yeah, lao po :) wife
[14:13] <toad_> LOL
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[14:13] <toad_> jay: partly it's because the timeouts were all set wrong just after queueing
[14:13] <Iakin> [19:12] <toad_> <Iakin> Heh.. 11 restarteds recieved during a single request (can be seen on the current downloads page). Thats quite a lot :)
[14:13] <Iakin> Indeed, it was a new record :)
[14:14] <jay> toad_: are you on top of it then?
[14:14] <toad_> <d-ArkAngel> yeah, he's already been offered some time on a supercomputer :-) we're just playing with the sim at the moment.
[14:14] <toad_> hey, if anyone else wants to offer, I'm open!
[14:14] <toad_> jay: I think so...
[14:14] <jay> toad_: ok.. i won't bother you about it (much) again
[14:15] <d-ArkAngel> yeah I did tell him to let you know about the offer :-)
[14:15] <d-ArkAngel> did you see the graphs from 400x25 that I got?
[14:16] <toad_> <hobx_> NOTICE IIP PEOPLE: I will ban the bot if you don't ban gott!
[14:16] <toad_> heheehe
[14:16] <jay> lol
[14:16] <toad_> I'm not sure they have the ability to do this...
[14:16] <jay> poetic even
[14:17] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: http://www.scabserver.com/freenet/25x100.png ?
[14:17] <d-ArkAngel> did tried, but couldn't
[14:17] <toad_> it sucks...
[14:17] <d-ArkAngel> true
[14:17] <jay> id set the iip bot to ignore if i didn't think gott's comments were amusing
[14:17] <d-ArkAngel> but that's what it did.
[14:19] <d-ArkAngel> there is one interesting thing tho, you can see that the network "growing" has a negative affect on the routing.
[14:19] <toad_> good, MY op bit still works... hobx was having trouble
[14:19] <cbreak> the new nodes know nothing about the network... so
[14:19] <d-ArkAngel> but that negative affect seems to be fairly similar, given the % increase after it stops adding new nodes seems to be about the same.
[14:24] <toad_> does it seem to curve upwards eventually?
[14:24] <d-ArkAngel> no, it seems to level off.
[14:24] <d-ArkAngel> it looks asymtotic performance wise to me.
[14:24] <toad_> at a pathetically low level
[14:25] <d-ArkAngel> indeed
[14:25] <toad_> this is very bad...
[14:25] <d-ArkAngel> it could be that we're only selecting random data, rather than having pockets of "popularity"
[14:25] <toad_> the averages are still falling...
[14:25] <toad_> it could be there's a bug in the simulator or some similar issue
[14:26] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: huh?
[14:26] <jay> man FproxyServlet:doGet() is a monster ;)
[14:26] <toad_> jay: feel free to refactor it
[14:26] <d-ArkAngel> well we're selecting and inserting data totaly uniformly
[14:26] <toad_> yes
[14:26] <toad_> if it can't do that it's got little hope with any more realistic pattern
[14:26] <toad_> some of them might be easier - but then it wouldn't scale
[14:27] <toad_> so what to do?
[14:27] <toad_> it's just possible that there's some hideously stupid bug in the simulator that excessive logging will reveal
[14:27] <d-ArkAngel> this performance (call it 30%) is worst case routing.
[14:27] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: did you make any changes?
[14:27] <toad_> to the code?
[14:27] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: you were working on parallelizing?
[14:27] <d-ArkAngel> just the patch that I mailed you
[14:27] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: no, it keeps falling below 30%...
[14:28] <d-ArkAngel> I am working on paralising now, but not in that code.
[14:28] <toad_> ~toad/1.txt on your machine...
[14:28] <toad_> i suppose we could try it without announcements...
[14:28] <d-ArkAngel> ok, by worst case I mean that nodes don't get to learn thier users habbits they're totaly random.
[14:29] <toad_> there's some evidence that announcements always cause high initial values and then falling psuccess later on
[14:29] <d-ArkAngel> I realise that the addition of untrained nodes, will reduce the performance still further
[14:29] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: users will not specialize IN KEYSPACE
[14:29] <d-ArkAngel> no I suppose not...
[14:29] <toad_> specialization in anything else causes security problems
[14:29] <d-ArkAngel> because that would break anonymiy... (sorry)
[14:29] <cbreak> I wonder why freent works...
[14:30] <d-ArkAngel> well because some keys are requested a LOT more than others.
[14:30] <d-ArkAngel> like say the FIND page for example.
[14:30] <toad_> well, it's quite possible there's a bug in the simulator
[14:30] <cbreak> maybe because not all nodes are equal
[14:31] <toad_> for example, there might be a bug introduced by my recent refactoring of everything to use doubles
[14:31] <cbreak> some are more powerfull than others, they may develop to some kind of link node.
[14:31] <d-ArkAngel> plus if someone fails to get a page, they don't go "ahh well" they let it try again, with higher HTL if needed....
[14:31] <d-ArkAngel> and the network improves faster if you keep retrying a fail, because it will eventualy find a route, and re-inforce that route.
[14:31] * toad_ thinks that what I should do is run the same code with 100x100 i.e. fully connecteds
[14:32] <toad_> and see if it's the same as the old 100x100
[14:32] <toad_> if not, there's a serious bug
[14:32] <d-ArkAngel> indeed.
[14:32] <d-ArkAngel> but fully connected was bound to be better performance than unconnected.
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[14:34] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: sure..
[14:34] <toad_> well actually that doesn't automatically follow
[14:34] <toad_> there are advantages ... n/m
[14:34] <d-ArkAngel> <cbreak> I wonder why freent works...
[14:35] <d-ArkAngel> Does freenet "work"?
[14:35] <cbreak> sort of. I can put in things and get out things.
[14:35] <d-ArkAngel> I've been using the same test page since I setup my node a week ago.
[14:35] <d-ArkAngel> it's a page full of dilbert comics.
[14:36] * toad_ doesn't want to know
[14:36] <toad_> please don't ask for support
[14:36] <d-ArkAngel> now at first I thought that perhapse a lot of them had fallen off the network
[14:36] <d-ArkAngel> but it seems not to be the case.
[14:36] <d-ArkAngel> my node is now able to retrive images that it couldn't previously.
[14:36] <d-ArkAngel> so that's showing learning on the part of the network
[14:37] <d-ArkAngel> however, my node is now unable to retrieve images that is was able to previously...
[14:37] <cbreak> hmm... that or your node moves inside the network, connects to other nodes... :)
[14:37] * toad_ runs 100x100 tests...
[14:37] <d-ArkAngel> indeed, but if the network is "working" then the node should be accessable based on the networks ability to find pages...
[14:38] <toad_> I suppose I ought to go through the biggish changes i made to try to speed this up?
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[14:38] <toad_> maybe there's some obvious bug there...
[14:38] <d-ArkAngel> my code isn't synced with yours yet by the way.
[14:39] <d-ArkAngel> I'll run an cvs update now, but if your getting the same basic shape that I got then I'd be tempted to say that it's working ok regarding the routing.
[14:40] <toad_> okay
[14:40] <toad_> there is definitely a bug
[14:40] <d-ArkAngel> why?
[14:40] <toad_> because the psuccess falls rapidly on startup with fastestimators pcaching nonewbie altannounce probeinexperience randomizewhenequal htl=10
[14:40] <toad_> with the new code
[14:40] <toad_> and 100x100
[14:40] <toad_> and on the old code, it doesn't
[14:41] <toad_> sh*t
[14:42] <toad_> having said that, the new code isn't much faster than the old code
[14:42] <toad_> so I suppose I might as well just revert it
[14:42] <d-ArkAngel> one question
[14:42] <d-ArkAngel> did the code changes adding in the NFC'ness work on 100x100?
[14:43] <toad_> huh?
[14:43] <toad_> I just reenabled it
[14:43] <toad_> by changing a few lines in Main
[14:43] <d-ArkAngel> yeah, but I mean during the coding of that did you make any changes to the code that's now running....
[14:43] <toad_> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:56:28 -0700
[14:43] <toad_> -0700 means subtract 0700 to get to GMT?
[14:43] <toad_> or add it?
[14:44] <greycat> add
[14:44] <d-ArkAngel> add 7hrs
[14:44] <d-ArkAngel> it means that time is -0700 from GMT (and is the UK GMT + 1 at the moment? boy I hate daylight savings time)
[14:45] <toad_> :|
[14:45] <cbreak> a swiss watch manufacturer "invented" an internet time... a day has 1000 ticks, no zones, no dst... no one used it... :)
[14:46] <d-ArkAngel> yeah, they're called "beats" arn't they?
[14:46] <toad_> 1000 ticks? a tick must be quite long then...
[14:46] <d-ArkAngel> it's all metric tho
[14:46] <cbreak> sw@tch beats, yes... but it isn't metric
[14:46] <d-ArkAngel> wasn't it for use in internet banking transactions...
[14:46] <greycat> toad_: 864.00 seconds :)
[14:46] <greycat> err, no, 86.400
[14:47] <toad_> hmm, now it seems to be going up again...
[14:47] <cbreak> the SI Unit for time is "second" :P
[14:47] <toad_> strange...
[14:47] <d-ArkAngel> in the 100x100 sim?
[14:48] <d-ArkAngel> how far did it drop?
[14:49] <d-ArkAngel> also what's the logic behind randomise when equal?
[14:49] <toad_> if you don't randomize when equal, which node should you choose?
[14:49] <toad_> you'll just end up centralizing things badly
[14:49] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[14:49] <toad_> it costs in the short term
[14:49] <toad_> but in the long term it's very good
[14:50] <toad_> as shown by the simulations
[14:50] <d-ArkAngel> ok, I've gotta get some food, back in a short while. I'll think about how that works (I'm one of these people who has to "understand" things :-\)
[14:51] <toad_> argh
[14:52] <toad_> eclipse doesn't understand this diff...
[14:53] <toad_> grrr
[14:53] <toad_> i'll have to apply it myself... see you in ten minutes :|
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[15:13] <d-ArkAngel> back, and well fed
[15:13] <d-ArkAngel> (well might need some snacks later, but fairly well fed :-) )
[15:13] <toad_> okay
[15:13] * toad_ restarting sim with merged mostly-old-code
[15:13] <toad_> with 100x100
[15:13] * d-ArkAngel will work for snack food
[15:14] <toad_> virtual snack food?
[15:14] <d-ArkAngel> =virtual work, seems fair enough
[15:15] <d-ArkAngel> I might not be able to donate money to the project, maybe I can donate junk food (well known fact that junk food improves coding ability)
[15:15] <toad_> lol
[15:15] <toad_> hmmm
[15:15] <toad_> it's falling fast even having merged the old code.. hmm
[15:16] <toad_> that means it's an older change...
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[15:16] <d-ArkAngel> how fast and falling to where?
[15:16] <greycat> Is it healthy that I have exchanged 237889:134515 messages with just one other node since this morning, and yet I cannot find files I'm sure are Out There somewhere in the wilderness of freenet? Just seems weird.
[15:16] <greycat> that's over a third of a million messages.
[15:17] <toad_> greycat: how many of those were DataRequest's?
[15:17] <greycat> no idea
[15:18] <greycat> DataRequest 39697 (1)/14427 (0) for the totals, but it doesn't break it down by node.
[15:19] <toad_> hmmm#
[15:20] <toad_> i wasn't announcing...
[15:20] <d-ArkAngel> is that what was casing the quick drop off?
[15:20] <toad_> might be important for the NFC sims too...
[15:21] <toad_> although it'd be completely different
[15:21] <d-ArkAngel> but donsn't on of you 100x100 graphs not announce?
[15:21] <d-ArkAngel> s/on/one/
[15:21] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: yes, and it starts with a fast drop-off
[15:22] <d-ArkAngel> is it a reasonably good match to this graph then?
[15:22] <d-ArkAngel> or is the new graph still lower?
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[15:26] <toad_> okay, it's looking pretty good now
[15:26] <d-ArkAngel> so can you re-apply all the changes you just undid and still fix that glitch?
[15:27] * toad_ has coded up announcement support for non-thingy...
[15:27] <toad_> nah, i see no reason to keep the changes
[15:27] <toad_> they don't seem to make it significantly faster
[15:27] <d-ArkAngel> how can I sync with your copy? just cvs update -d?
[15:28] <toad_> after i've committed it...
[15:28] <toad_> committed
[15:30] * toad_ will commit better, just one moment...
[15:31] <toad_> running
[15:31] <toad_> committed
[15:31] <d-ArkAngel> are you going to restart the sim on my box?
[15:31] <toad_> running the 25x25 bootstrap...
[15:32] <toad_> just stopped it
[15:32] <toad_> i'll upload the new jar
[15:32] <d-ArkAngel> I just wanna try and run something, give me a second.
[15:33] <d-ArkAngel> never mind, all yours again :-)
[15:35] <toad_> ok, made a dumb bug...
[15:35] * toad_ rebuilding, will commit soon
[15:36] <d-ArkAngel> no probs, I'm not needing the code, just let me know when you're happy with it, I'm just biulding a little test program for threading, I'll add the real "nodes" in once I've got the basics working.
[15:38] * d-ArkAngel hopes the DVLA dosn't minde code notes on the margins of car registration documents...
[15:39] <toad_> hmm?
[15:39] <d-ArkAngel> I got new car reg docs, and they were sticking out from under my keyboard, and I was trying to figure something out.....
[15:40] <d-ArkAngel> then I moved my keyboard to get more room on what I was scribling on... then I realised :-)
[15:40] <d-ArkAngel> ahh well
[15:40] <toad_> hehe
[15:41] * d-ArkAngel gets pad of A4 paper that was just our of reach to avoid futher accidents.
[15:42] <d-ArkAngel> the estimators in the simulator. they're working soley on the number of HTL right?
[15:43] <toad_> and whether it succeeds or fails
[15:43] <toad_> so we have 3 estimators
[15:43] <toad_> pDNF, tDNF, tSuccess
[15:44] <toad_> where t = time = number of hops
[15:44] <d-ArkAngel> they're not timeing the responses are they? just because when talking to nodes on other CPU's Boxes, will look like a worse idea than other local nodedes, and it might end up running essential individual sime in each thread...
[15:44] <toad_> no
[15:44] <toad_> time is just # hops
[15:45] <d-ArkAngel> good, I was just thinking about things, and realise that each thread would only be dealing with one request at a time so as one is passed to another thread then it might lose out :-)
[15:45] <d-ArkAngel> but since it's purt HTL then that's no prob.
[15:45] * toad_ suspects the synch overhead will be huge, but we'll see...
[15:45] <toad_> maybe inter-thread queues can be fast, if everything's kept hot...
[15:45] * d-ArkAngel has plenty of "evil" plans ;-)
[15:46] <d-ArkAngel> yeah my plan is to run a number of threads per processor as well to keep starvation to a minimum
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[15:46] <toad_> hmmm
[15:47] <d-ArkAngel> I did a thesis on optimal distributed processsing for my degree :-) so I hope I have remembered some of those lessons :-)
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[15:47] <toad_> Overall success ratio: 0.9655
[15:47] <toad_> Cycle took 19458ms
[15:47] <toad_> Completed 10000 (866700) requests
[15:47] <toad_> Successful requests: 9585
[15:47] <toad_> Overall success ratio: 0.9585
[15:47] <toad_> Nodes: 47
[15:47] <toad_> :)
[15:47] <cbreak> If the estimators work on HTL, how would the switch to HTL Free routing work?
[15:47] <d-ArkAngel> much better :-)
[15:48] <toad_> cbreak: we use number of nodes passed through as an estimate of time
[15:48] <toad_> cbreak: nothing to do with HTL really
[15:48] <cbreak> ok. :)
[15:51] <toad_> anyway
[15:51] <toad_> i committed some more fixes
[15:51] <toad_> i don't think i'll get much useful data out of this until it's at least reached 100 nodes...
[15:53] <toad_> bbiab
[15:55] <i2p_iip> <gott> TOAD
[15:55] <d-ArkAngel> toad: did you re add the code to do global stats properly?
[15:56] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, is Plymouth, England on the east or west of England ?
[15:56] <d-ArkAngel> www.multimap.com
[15:57] * toad_ starts sim with 20 htl on your pc...
[15:57] <d-ArkAngel> k
[15:57] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, is Plymouth, England on the east or west of England ?
[15:57] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: your X is hogging the CPU again...
[15:57] <toad_> gott: see multimap
[15:57] <toad_> :)
[15:57] <d-ArkAngel> there's a spare one isn't there?
[15:58] <toad_> my geography is crap
[15:58] <d-ArkAngel> :-)
[15:58] <toad_> d-ArkAngel: huh?
[15:58] <toad_> yeah
[15:58] <toad_> bbiab
[15:58] <d-ArkAngel> well if there's only one sim, then till we're multi threaded it's not a prob
[15:58] <toad_> i'm running two
[15:58] <d-ArkAngel> ahhh
[15:58] <toad_> one with htl 10, one with htl 20
[15:59] <i2p_iip> <gott> oh well, toad
[15:59] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad, I want you to know something
[15:59] <jay> heh
[15:59] <d-ArkAngel> well one will have to suffer :-) either that or I'll have to go get my laptop to work on.
[15:59] <i2p_iip> <gott> are you listening ?
[15:59] <i2p_iip> <gott> are you listening ?
[16:00] <d-ArkAngel> I wasn't aware people could chose not to listen... the sound just gets in your ears regardless....
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