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[3:00] <Ash-Fox> Anyone got a copy of OS/2?
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[6:19] * toad_ hmmm
[6:30] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: your beauty is beyond words.
[6:30] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: your beauty is beyond words.
[6:34] <toad_> gott: please don't worship me
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[6:36] <i2p_iip> <gott> I'll worship whatever or whomever I want.
[6:36] <toad_> sanity_: hi
[6:36] <toad_> sanity_: here?
[6:36] <i2p_iip> <gott> From now on, I will refer to sanity as 'Danny Boy'
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[7:00] <sanity_> toad: hi
[7:09] <toad_> hi
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[7:15] <toad_> hi, /me back
[7:24] <toad_> bbiab
[7:41] <ShaunMacPherson> wb toad_
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[9:45] <sanity_> toad: check out the email I just sent to tech
[9:46] <sanity_> LRU achieves almost *exactly* the optimal distribution of connections according to the Kleinberg paper
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[9:58] <nextgens> hi
[10:00] <ShaunMacPherson> hi
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[10:54] <sanity_> toad: ping
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[11:44] <sanity_> hobx: ping
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[12:37] <hobx> hey Ian
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[12:37] <hobx> If you responded just to the list rather than to me and the list, I wouldn't end up responding to you
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[12:56] <soros> hobx, what if someone is responding to you on the list /
[12:56] <soros> ?
[12:58] <toad_> hi ppl
[12:58] * toad_ is back
[12:58] <toad_> sanity_: here?
[12:58] <toad_> hobx_: here?
[13:01] <hobx> yeah
[13:02] <hobx> soros: It isn't by choice. It is the email client that responds personally to mail sent directly to me.
[13:03] <soros> but if you make a post to the list and someone responds to it, they assume you're reading the list and will be able to respond
[13:03] <toad_> hobx_: any ideas why LRU works?
[13:03] <hobx> toad_: Maybe
[13:03] <hobx> But I need to think about it more
[13:03] <toad_> there were all sorts of caveats with LRU when we DID use it... have a look at the old code
[13:03] <hobx> you are getting ahead of yourself
[13:03] <hobx> None of that applies directly
[13:06] <toad_> hobx: LRU doesnt'?
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[14:22] <Usurp> hey all
[14:23] <toad_> hi
[14:24] <Usurp> do many get the message "Too high probability while kludging...." ?
[14:24] <toad_> i've seen a few reports
[14:25] <toad_> i have no idea what causes it really
[14:25] <toad_> the next stable release will have more code to diagnose it
[14:26] <toad_> at the moment I'm working on simulations...
[14:27] <Usurp> has it anonymity concerns ?
[14:27] <toad_> hmm?
[14:27] <toad_> the message?
[14:27] <toad_> no
[14:27] <toad_> it has routing bug concerns :)
[14:28] <Usurp> no problem then...
[14:29] <Usurp> otherwise freenet wouldnt usefull at all
[14:29] <Usurp> *be*
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[14:31] <Usurp> (although I know anonymity is done to be broken) :)
[14:32] <toad_> :)
[14:32] <toad_> it's certainly not perfect
[14:32] <toad_> but that specific error shouldn't significantly weaken it
[14:33] <Usurp> yeah
[14:33] <Usurp> and not everyone has a supercalculator at home to make it weak :)
[14:42] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad is a blossoming tulip.
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[14:57] * toad_ is a toad
[15:05] <toad_> hmmm
[15:06] <toad_> the graph suggests that newbie routing messes things up; although it achieves a good initial psuccess, the trend is downwards
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[15:18] <toad_> wooh
[15:18] <toad_> it IS faster
[15:18] <toad_> a LOT faster
[15:19] <toad_> cycles taking ~ 18 seconds with the fast code on the opteron
[15:19] <toad_> 87 seconds with the slow code
[15:19] <toad_> hmm
[15:19] <toad_> sometimes rather more
[15:19] <toad_> (not my opteron, i hasten to add, I only have a lowly xp-2800+ ... but somebody lent me one)
[15:21] <toad_> hmmm
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[15:21] <toad_> may be just distribution-over-CPUs issues...
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[15:23] <toad_> hmmm
[15:23] <toad_> looks like it's the wrong way around...
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[15:25] <toad_> yup, it was definitely the wrong way around...
[15:25] <toad_> nice speed gain though...
[15:27] <toad_> hopefully i can graph it against my existing data...
[15:29] <toad_> i'm reasonably sure that this will work.. but i need to compare graphs to make sure...
[15:38] <toad_> bbiab
[15:49] <Usurp> night all
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[16:34] <Zorix-> toad_
[16:34] <toad_> ?
[16:34] <Zorix-> you know of any projects that for firefox/mozilla..
[16:34] <Zorix-> that make a freenet uri
[16:35] <Zorix-> like freenet:// or fntp:// heh
[16:35] <toad_> there have been many attempts...
[16:35] <Zorix-> yea i seen protozilla but it doesnt work
[16:36] <Zorix-> it would just look better i think
[16:37] <toad_> http://protozilla.mozdev.org/
[16:38] <toad_> it doesn't work?
[16:38] <toad_> the port's probably set wrong
[16:38] <toad_> on the screenshot it says 8081
[16:38] <toad_> it should be 8888
[16:38] <toad_> The peer-to-peer freenet protocol uses a local proxy server accessible on port 8081. To be able to use freenet: URLs in the browser, all you need to do is to create a file named freenet.url containing the text http://localhost:8081/. (Of course, you need to be running the freenet proxy server as well.)
[16:39] <toad_> from the offical docs
[16:39] <Zorix-> protozilla is too old
[16:39] <Zorix-> it doesnt work with the new versions
[16:40] <toad_> hmmm
[16:40] <toad_> yeah
[16:40] <toad_> :(
[16:40] <Zorix-> 6/6/2002 New binaries compatible with Mozilla 1.0.0
[16:40] <Zorix-> latest update
[16:40] <Zorix-> thats not gonna work.. tried before
[16:40] <toad_> 1.2.1 too
[16:40] <toad_> bbiab
[16:41] <Zorix-> if anyone here can think of a way to fix this or come up with an idea i think it would be great for freenet
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[16:58] <nextgens> I found something interresting about it :
[16:58] <nextgens> http://nexgenmedia.net/docs/protocol/
[17:00] <nextgens> it won't be hard to use it... if nobody 'd like to do it: I'll ...
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[17:12] <nextgens> http://mozex.mozdev.org/
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[17:17] <Zorix-> thanks
[17:19] <Zorix-> dont think mozex will help any tho
[17:19] <Zorix-> and im not much of a coder so the protocol seems a bit hard
[17:27] <nextgens> this kind of hack could work too...
[17:27] <nextgens> http://linux.sgms-centre.com/howto/mozilla.php
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[17:35] <Sandman> Anyone alive?
[17:37] <nextgens> hi
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[17:43] <Zorix-> nextgens im windows
[17:44] <nextgens> ?
[17:44] <Zorix-> thats not gonna wokr either
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[17:44] <Zorix> finally took like 20 min for my ghost to die
[17:45] <Sandman> Is there any reason why freenet-server isn't @ Debian anymore?
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[17:54] <toad_> hi
[17:54] <hobx> lo
[17:55] <toad_> nextgens: please tell us if you're going to code an FCP plugin
[17:55] <toad_> so that a) ian can shout you down, and b) i can add an html filter extension to fcp...
[17:55] <hobx> you need to get a license!
[17:57] <nextgens> toad: lol
[18:08] <toad_> new graphs are up
[18:09] <nextgens> perhaps tweaking this one : an emule uri handler...
[18:09] <nextgens> http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~dyna/mldonkey/
[18:09] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2.png
[18:09] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-norandom.png
[18:09] <Canar> meh, i give up... freenet's just not useable from behind heavy nat/firewall
[18:09] <toad_> http://amphibian.dyndns.org/simulations2-norandom-nonewbiepcaching.png
[18:09] <toad_> Canar: what do you mean by heavy?
[18:10] <Canar> ie: no incoming connections allowed, several outgoing ports blocked
[18:10] <toad_> hmmm
[18:10] <toad_> it should be usable
[18:10] <Canar> i've left it up for 48h or so, browsed sites
[18:10] <toad_> have you tried freenet from anywhere else? do you have a baseline to compare it to?
[18:10] <Canar> a few worked
[18:10] <toad_> okay, what happened?
[18:11] <toad_> it's been up 48h constantly?
[18:11] <toad_> how many open connections?
[18:11] <Zorix> nextgens that xpi is compiled cant use it
[18:11] <Canar> where can i find open connection info?
[18:11] <toad_> Advanced Mode -> Open Connections
[18:11] <Zorix> toad_ you dont want anyone to make a uri for freenet?
[18:11] <toad_> Zorix: hmm?
[18:11] <Canar> bah, i closed it last night, need to open it and get it going again
[18:12] <Canar> but i couldn't even get the fuqid download to work
[18:12] <Zorix> [06:14pm] [toad_] nextgens: please tell us if you're going to code an FCP plugin
[18:12] <Zorix> [06:15pm] [toad_] so that a) ian can shout you down, and b) i can add an html filter extension to fcp...
[18:12] <Canar> got a couple of the portals semi-working intermittently
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[18:12] <toad_> Zorix: the problem is: a) if you make an FCP protocol handler, you have to do your own filtering
[18:12] <Zorix> like?
[18:12] <nextgens> Zorix: /* Version: MPL 1.1/GPL 2.0/LGPL 2.1
[18:12] <toad_> b) you have deeper problems: if freenet: is standard then all browsers must support it
[18:12] <Zorix> ijust want it for myself
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[18:13] <toad_> Canar: how many connections?
[18:13] <Zorix> nextgens?
[18:13] <Zorix> yea i couldnt find a source
[18:13] <Canar> since i restarted, 4
[18:13] <Zorix> and i dont know how to compile an xpi file
[18:13] <toad_> Canar: when did you restart?
[18:13] <Canar> eh, 1 min or so ago ^_^
[18:14] <toad_> ah
[18:14] <toad_> well it takes longer than that sometimes...
[18:14] <Zorix> i guess im stuck with the way it is now heh
[18:14] <Zorix> blah
[18:14] <toad_> you might want to try reseeding sometime
[18:14] <Canar> reseeding?
[18:14] <Canar> how do i do that?
[18:17] <toad_> Canar: download a new seednodes.ref from the website
[18:17] <toad_> save it over your old one
[18:17] <toad_> while the node is turned off
[18:17] <toad_> then start the node up
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[18:20] <toad_> hi Bladenight
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[18:25] <Canar> toad_: where can i find seednodes.ref? i'm searching freenet.sf.net to no avail
[18:28] <Canar> hm, looks like all my data is coming from just one peer
[18:29] <nextgens> bye all
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[18:32] <toad_> freenetproject.org/snapshots/
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[18:32] <Canar> thanks
[18:32] <toad_> Canar: http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/
[18:32] <Canar> yup, got it ;)
[18:33] <Canar> whoa, that's quite the list
[18:34] <toad_> :)
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[18:37] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: do you have any family portraits of you that I can put on my eepsite ?
[18:37] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad: do you have any family portraits of you that I can put on my eepsite ?
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[18:37] <toad_> Zorix: I assume this is redirecting to fproxy?
[18:37] <Zorix> yea
[18:37] <Zorix> i damn forgot how to add an xpi to firefox
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[18:41] <Zorix> ok that didnt work
[18:41] <Zorix> i cant uninstall it no
[18:41] <Zorix> now
[18:41] <Zorix> i wonder if thats a firefox bug or something i did
[18:45] <Zorix> god damn it
[18:45] <Zorix> anyone else wanna try it? lol
[18:45] * Zorix hears the crickets
[18:46] <Zorix> toad_
[18:46] <toad_> hmm?
[18:46] <Zorix> how do i fix
[18:46] <Zorix> extensions
[18:46] <Zorix> i got a whacked extension in firefox that wont go away
[18:46] <toad_> how should i know?
[18:46] <Zorix> its a devel version so maybe its just that but i need someone to test this lol
[18:46] <Zorix> i got a freenet.xpi
[18:46] <Zorix> heh
[18:51] * Bladenight is now known as Nightblade
[18:56] <Zorix> so who is brave enough to try my freenet uri thingy
[18:58] <Zorix> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250538
[18:59] <Canar> sure
[18:59] <Canar> i'll try it
[19:00] <Zorix> k
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[19:00] <Zorix> mozilla?
[19:00] <Zorix> or firefox
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[19:01] <Zorix> firefox seems to have extension bugs
[19:01] <Canar> mirc seems to have dcc bugs
[19:01] <Zorix> so it may screw up.. it ownt break anything if it does.. it just wont install
[19:01] <Zorix> lol
[19:01] <Zorix> uh,
[19:01] <Zorix> i guess i can insert it
[19:01] <Zorix> to freenet
[19:01] <Canar> heh, been having problems with that too
[19:01] <Canar> can't even download fuqid
[19:02] <Zorix> CHK@odvs6Zx8m3z~Y~S47tIeTuyl0rkNAwI,6X6gBl8FiJ4iO6h2idp8mg/freenet.xpi
[19:03] <Zorix> try that
[19:03] <Zorix> may take a bit
[19:04] <Zorix> ok this is retarded its not inserted yet
[19:05] <Zorix> wish i had a working website
[19:09] <Zorix> anyone else wants to test for me
[19:16] <Zorix> Canar
[19:16] <Zorix> try getting it
[19:19] <Zorix> right.. helpful ppl here heh
[19:25] <toad_> bbl
[19:25] <Zorix> bah
[19:25] <Zorix> buncha idling unhelpful ppl
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[21:08] <Zorix> i hate this irc network i cant figure out when i get disconnected
[21:13] <soros> will there be any NHL this year ?
[21:17] <Zorix> so any takers for my freenet uri mozilla xpi?
[21:18] <Zorix> i need a tester.. i think firefox doesnt like it.. but i wanna test it on mozilla
[21:18] <Zorix> CHK@odvs6Zx8m3z~Y~S47tIeTuyl0rkNAwI,6X6gBl8FiJ4iO6h2idp8mg/freenet.xpi
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[21:46] <Zorix> lot of idling unhelpful ppl
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[22:10] <i2p_iip> <gott> toad was recently discovered to be politically correct.
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[22:12] <Zorix-> i dont understand
[22:12] <Zorix-> im on 3 irc networks and this is the only one i get dropped from
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[22:20] <goatee__> Zorix-, I managed to get the freenet.xpi, but how would I go about installing it?
[22:21] <Zorix-> run it with mozilla
[22:21] <Zorix-> it may not work right with firefox i cant get it to work with firefox.. it wont install either.. but it doens cause any problems
[22:22] <Zorix-> if u have mozilla it may work and i was hoping someone can test
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[22:22] <Zorix-> err it wont uninstall in firefox
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[22:22] <Zorix-> but i have problems with other extensions so im not sure if its firefox or my extension
[22:23] <goatee__> ok, it installed, I'm using mozilla. What kind of testing should I do?
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[22:23] <Zorix-> try using fntp://key
[22:23] <Zorix-> use a freenet key in place of key
[22:24] * Zorix- is now known as Zorix
[22:25] <goatee__> hmm, fntp is not a registered protocol
[22:25] <Zorix> damn it
[22:25] <Zorix> still doesnt work
[22:25] <Zorix> ill work on it.. thanks
[22:27] <goatee__> You mentioned that uninstalling didn't work... how do I test that?
[22:29] <Zorix> go to tools
[22:29] <Zorix> then extensions
[22:30] <Zorix> at least thats where its in firefox
[22:30] <goatee__> I don't think mozilla has that option
[22:30] <Zorix> you did restart mozilla after u installed the extension
[22:30] <goatee__> yup
[22:30] <Zorix> k
[22:30] <Zorix> well its somewhere.. maybe in preferences?
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[22:41] <goatee__> oops, my bad, I cliked on OK too soon... It said "read only" so the extension never installed...
[22:41] <goatee__> Let me try again
[22:48] <goatee__> It might be installed after all. It's just that it's not showing up in the "Extension Uninstaller".
[22:48] <goatee__> Is it possible that it's not "registered" properly in mozilla?
[23:00] <Zorix> i dunno
[23:00] <Zorix> it has the code to register the extension
[23:00] <Zorix> well the protocol
[23:01] <Zorix> not sure of the problem
These logs were automatically created by Jay Oliveri with his gimp hapi on irc.freenode.net.
