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[0:27] <mikeDOTd> strangeness: my datastore was at 99% a few days ago
[0:28] <mikeDOTd> i haven't changed anything, but now my datastore is at 39%, and there's VERY clear specialization of inbound requests, my datastore, and successful requests (all in the same keyspace)
[0:29] <Darven> pirates looting your booty, arr
[0:30] <mikeDOTd> would pcaching remove that much content?
[0:32] <mikeDOTd> hmmm, i've been inserting lots of data
[0:32] <mikeDOTd> maybe that has something to do with it
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[0:50] <Iakin> 04:04] <KenMan> this is silly, with only a single peer, all requests from him are routed back to him, which results in a QR:looped, which I then send back a RNF for...
[0:50] <Iakin> really.. can that happen?
[0:51] <Iakin> I though the states explicitly checked that the node we where about to send to wasn't the one that we received the question from..
[0:51] <Iakin> But hmmmm.. maybe that broke with the introduction of queueing..
[0:53] * Iakin is seeing some correlation between the inbound requests histogram and the inbound successful requests histogram
[0:53] <Iakin> Previously they have been inverse to each other.. now they look somewhat alike
[1:03] <KenMan> only time will tell whether the correlation lasts, or even if it has significance at all
[1:05] <KenMan> my initial impression is that 5092 w/queueing (its major mod) is only a small step forward :(
[1:06] * KenMan is running at a 2.5 multiplication factor for request messages in & out
[1:08] <KenMan> request collisions (looping) are twice as common as RNF now... for my node anyway.
[1:09] * KenMan needs more peers - 29 doesn't cut it. Neither does the current set of mRI values from these routes :(
[1:10] <mikeDOTd> what does mRI stand for?
[1:11] <KenMan> minimum Request Interval - it basically limits the rate at which a peer can send requests to your node
[1:12] <KenMan> I've been bitching about them (on and off) all year. They cause all sorts of problems that haven't been sufficiently understood yet.
[1:13] * KenMan doesn't need 60 peers, but thanks to mRIs, requires 60 peers in order to have 10 'good' ones.
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[1:26] <KenMan> ejhuff: how's the freenet treating you lately, or have you stopped running a node for now ?
[1:26] <ejhuff> I was running two nodes just now.
[1:27] <ejhuff> Unstable wasn't working well.
[1:27] <ejhuff> Stable has been doing fairly well, but I haven't looked to see how it did over the weekend. Just rebooted to get new kernel.
[1:28] <KenMan> well you get points for the effort. Somehow two nodes just doesn't sit well here :(
[1:28] <ejhuff> I have 1.5gb RAM
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[1:28] <KenMan> do you have any outgoing bandwidth (left over after TWO nodes have their way with your connection) ?
[1:28] <ejhuff> I quit running max connections 800 which caused 1600 node routing table.
[1:29] <KenMan> ouch
[1:29] <ejhuff> In order to be able to run two.
[1:29] <ejhuff> I use bandwidth limiting, seems to work well.
[1:30] <ejhuff> With 1600 node rt, it frequently got filled up, and I saw up to 4000 IP's listed on the incomming connection attempts page
[1:31] <ejhuff> (So it's not hard to find lots of IP's which run freenet)
[1:31] <ejhuff> Anyway, have to go start up the nodes again...
[1:32] <KenMan> what if every 2 of 3 people who try freenet only run it for 2 hours and then give up ? Sorry, couldn't resist that pessimistic viewpoint.
[1:32] * KenMan heads off for sleep
[2:02] <Iakin5> [07:27] <KenMan> request collisions (looping) are twice as common as RNF now... for my node anyway.
[2:02] <Iakin5> [07:09] <Iakin> 04:04] <KenMan> this is silly, with only a single peer, all requests from him are routed back to him, which results in a QR:looped, which I then send back a RNF for...
[2:02] <Iakin5> [07:09] <Iakin> really.. can that happen?
[2:02] <Iakin5> [07:09] <Iakin> I though the states explicitly checked that the node we where about to send to wasn't the one that we received the question from..
[2:03] <Iakin5> ...seems like that logic might be bypassed now
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[2:52] <digitalchaos> Hey, I used freenet for a few months, it worked alright ( I could access the freenet index page, etc)
[2:53] <digitalchaos> I could access a few pages, from that index
[2:54] <digitalchaos> Due to the network reset, I am forced to reseed my node
[2:54] <digitalchaos> What is the best way to reseed a node? Can anyone help me on this?
[2:57] <digitalchaos> Anyone awake?
[2:59] <digitalchaos> Well, guess I'll come back later today at normal business hours...Peace!!
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[8:12] <|UK-Monster|> doaodao
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[9:45] <KenMan> <Iakin5> ...seems like that logic might be bypassed now - apparently it is.
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[9:50] <dvvddhvd> i need ref
[9:50] <dvvddhvd> hi channel
[9:50] <dvvddhvd> hi channel
[9:50] <dvvddhvd> i need ref
[9:51] <thelema> hi
[9:52] <thelema> have you tried http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref?
[9:52] <thelema> (I assume you're on stable)
[9:53] <dvvddhvd> ok
[9:53] <dvvddhvd> i will try it
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[10:08] <KenMan> hi thelema - how was the kayaking ? did you eat lots of bear meat ?
[10:11] <KenMan> I would rather eat deer than bear, but once you get out in nature, it all tastes good (after roasting)...
[10:15] * KenMan has acquired the Great Secret to gaining more peers, and he is not telling :p
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[10:19] <KenMan> 36732 outgoing requests collided/looped (instant reflective loops?) 9100 were "No route found" and 3100 were "Node overloaded"
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[10:21] <dvvddhvd> hi
[10:21] <dvvddhvd> how do it work
[10:22] <dvvddhvd> it does not load the config window
[10:23] <KenMan> search for existing file and overwrite with new file
[10:23] <dvvddhvd> how
[10:24] <KenMan> read the instruction manual for your operating system
[10:25] <dvvddhvd> i havent downloaded the ref file could it be causing the problem??
[10:26] <KenMan> maybe
[10:26] <dvvddhvd> wher can i get it only this file??
[10:26] <dvvddhvd> only this file??
[10:27] <KenMan> from here : http://www.freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref
[10:28] <KenMan> after you gets this file, you searches for the existing file of same name and overwrites it with new file
[10:31] <dvvddhvd> can i get freenet fully downloaded so i have not to download it again n again??
[10:31] <greycat> ultimately, freenet is 3 files: freenet.jar, freenet-ext.jar, and seednodes.ref
[10:31] <greycat> you also need a java runtime environment
[10:33] <dvvddhvd> after downloading these three file what should i do??
[10:33] <greycat> "java -cp freenet.jar --config" to generate your config file.
[10:34] <dvvddhvd> in command prompt??
[10:34] <greycat> if you're in windows, then we're going to have some trouble communicating pretty soon.
[10:34] <greycat> because I'm a unix person.
[10:34] <dvvddhvd> ya windoz here
[10:36] <greycat> there's probably some magical clicky thing you click on to make freenet run in windows.
[10:36] <dvvddhvd> is ther any other good p2p program?
[10:37] <KenMan> no, freenet is the only one that could be called 'good'
[10:37] <greycat> I'm not sure that's the word I'd use to describe it.
[10:37] <dvvddhvd> ohhhhhhhhh
[10:38] <dvvddhvd> but how do i get it to run
[10:38] <gregh_> perhaps "non-evil" instead of "good"
[10:38] <dvvddhvd> wht u mean by no evil?
[10:38] <gregh_> well, all the rest of them are evil
[10:39] <greycat> once you have a config file generated (freenet.ini), you need to set the CLASSPATH to include both of the jar files, and then run the main class. Usually something like 'nohup java -Xmx 160M -cp freenet-ext.jar -jar freenet.jar &' in unix.
[10:39] <greycat> I can't translate that to CMD.EXE notation, sorry.
[10:39] <dvvddhvd> ok
[10:40] <mikeDOTd> when you first installed freenet, it should have launched the bunny icon and showed you a configuration screen
[10:40] <greycat> to be fully honest, what I do in unix is set up a separate 'freenet' user with this in its .bash_profile: export CLASSPATH=$HOME/lightweight60k4.zip:$HOME/freenet.jar:$HOME/freenet-ext.jar
[10:40] <greycat> then I have a script which does this: nice java -Xmx180M freenet.node.Main >nohup.out 2>&1 &
[10:40] <dvvddhvd> if ever do i install unix i will try to remember it
[10:40] <mikeDOTd> if you still have the bunny icon in the lower right hand corner, you can use it to do the config
[10:41] <dvvddhvd> it says " unable to laod config"
[10:41] <mikeDOTd> how long have you had freenet installed?
[10:41] <mikeDOTd> just today?
[10:41] <dvvddhvd> yah
[10:42] <mikeDOTd> i would try uninstalling it, then reinstalling it
[10:42] <dvvddhvd> u mean i should unistall it then reinstall it
[10:42] <mikeDOTd> yeah
[10:42] <greycat> that sounds windowsy.
[10:42] <mikeDOTd> it is!
[10:43] <mikeDOTd> something broke between installation and runtime
[10:43] <dvvddhvd> its not so easy to say that
[10:43] <greycat> I note that he didn't understand your suggestion until he retyped it with the words misspelled....
[10:43] <mikeDOTd> :-)
[10:44] <dvvddhvd> here in pakistan it take about 2 hour to download it
[10:44] <mikeDOTd> if you uninstall freenet, and make sure c:/Program Files/Freenet is empty, it'll prompt you to configure the node when you reinstall it
[10:44] <greycat> But seriously, in any case, if he's looking for a "good P2P" program, then freenet is likely to be disappointing.
[10:45] <dvvddhvd> n i have to wait another 2 to 3 hour
[10:45] <greycat> what did you want to use Freenet for, once you got it working?
[10:45] <dvvddhvd> to gets games
[10:46] <greycat> then I'd suggest you try something different, like gift/kceasy or gnutella
[10:46] <mikeDOTd> or bittorrent
[10:46] <greycat> freenet won't have what you want
[10:46] <ShaunMacPherson> why not games
[10:46] <ShaunMacPherson> try i2p :)
[10:47] <greycat> unless you call "trying to fucking insert my fucking freenet site, and it's STILL not bloody working!!!" as a game.
[10:47] <greycat> s/call/count/
[10:47] <ShaunMacPherson> heh
[10:47] <mikeDOTd> greycat: inserts are working *really* well for me
[10:47] <greycat> I haven't run my node for a few weeks now; it obliterated my internet connection last time I tried, something in the post-508*-ish change set.
[10:49] <gregh_> I need to convince the linux host where I'm running freenet, to do bandwith throttling
[10:51] <dvvddhvd> so guys wat u think the good p2p for games is??
[10:51] <ShaunMacPherson> emule
[10:51] <greycat> you've gotten 3 suggestions already, 4 if you count I2P
[10:52] <ShaunMacPherson> emule isnt anonymous though
[10:52] <ShaunMacPherson> :o)
[10:55] <dvvddhvd> are nt there games on freenet
[10:55] <dvvddhvd> ??
[10:55] <greycat> there might be, but I doubt there would be very many
[10:55] <KenMan> no just some mammaries
[10:56] <greycat> now now, there are plenty of vaginas and penises too
[10:56] <ShaunMacPherson> there used to be some games
[10:56] <KenMan> sorry, i ment mammaroms
[10:56] <ShaunMacPherson> :)
[10:57] <dvvddhvd> from wher can i get gift/kceasy gnutella bittorrent n emule??
[10:59] <KenMan> dvvddhvd: try this game (even though it is free / you can't steal it) it is pretty good : http://www.americasarmy.com
[10:59] <KenMan> if you like the game, you might even consider joining the american army
[11:00] <dvvddhvd> but i m in pakistan
[11:00] <ShaunMacPherson> that could be a problem then :)
[11:00] <dvvddhvd> :)
[11:00] <KenMan> that it okay... you can still apply, if you play the game well enough
[11:00] * greycat prefers www.nethack.org or www.thangorodrim.net or www.t-o-m-e.net
[11:01] <dvvddhvd> wat r these site for??
[11:01] <greycat> duh.
[11:02] <KenMan> the first one is a weather site, the second one has news, and the third one shows naked people
[11:02] <dvvddhvd> wat a flavour...
[11:02] <greycat> well, technically nethack does have sex in it.
[11:02] <gregh_> oh man, weather! I've been looking all over for that.
[11:02] <dvvddhvd> from wher can i get gift/kceasy gnutella bittorrent n emule??
[11:02] <greycat> google.
[11:03] <dvvddhvd> u mean search google?
[11:03] <KenMan> no, he means that google distributes these programs
[11:04] <KenMan> but you have to know someone who will provide you with the secret links
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[11:04] <greycat> you're under 12 years old, aren't you, koool_lava?
[11:05] <koool_lava> no 22
[11:05] <KenMan> 22 - 12 = 19 if he really IS in pakistan
[11:06] <koool_lava> wat u mean by that?
[11:06] <KenMan> have you any camels ?
[11:06] <koool_lava> no
[11:11] <koool_lava> bye guys
[11:11] <koool_lava> thank for all the help
[11:11] <mikeDOTd> good luck
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[11:11] * KenMan has heard that camel meat need to be heavily marinated...
[11:12] <mikeDOTd> i bet horse meat is just the same
[11:12] <KenMan> oh boy, 5092 is really disappointing me, just by looking at the stats...
[11:13] <KenMan> it ran really good for a day, but then I restarted - and I keep losing my peers. Backoff is bad (unlike the first run)...
[11:15] <KenMan> it seems to be all due to choice of peers. I just can't gather a consistent picture ...
[11:15] <KenMan> 5092 must be working really good for *someone* ,but it probably sucks donkey balls for someone else...
[11:16] <mikeDOTd> i think it really does take days for nodes to integrate into the whole
[11:21] <thelema> KenMan: no wierd foods. Fun kayaking. Rolling is much easier when you're ready for it.
[11:27] <KenMan> cool - hope the water temp was pleasant
[11:35] <thelema> KenMan: the one time I swam in whitewater, the water temp was a chilling 54 degrees.
[11:38] <thelema> but that was the only time I swam. I was even able to roll in moving water by myself.
[11:40] <KenMan> now that i have some more peers, maybe 5092 will behave better. It shouldn't have this weakness though - fewer peers should not necessarily equate to rotten performance :(
[11:42] <KenMan> at 30-40 peers, things were no good at all. Now with 70 peers, things are looking okay...
[11:58] <thelema> KenMan: the mRI paradigm favors hosts with more peers.
[12:04] <ShaunMacPherson> that discriminates against loners
[12:04] <ShaunMacPherson> :)
[12:15] <KenMan> i suppose :)
[12:16] <KenMan> it just seems that the algorithm should be general enough to function with comparable productivity, even with as few as 10 peers
[12:17] <KenMan> of course there are arguments that fewer peers means more of a node's traffic is concentrated to each peer, thus there could be anon weaknesses
[12:18] <KenMan> the real problem is that with 10 or 100 peers, traffic is not distributed evenly. I have logs from one run (50 hours) that showed that fully 20% of all requests went to a single node.
[12:18] <KenMan> and I had 70+ peers during that entire run.
[12:20] <KenMan> currently it is possible to 'attack' a node by stealing most of its queries - just send it an mRI of 7ms. By necessity, a significantly large fraction of that nodes requests will then come your way :( Regardless of how many you QR (RNF DNF )
[12:21] <KenMan> the load function(s) do not even consider the request capacity (or distribution) when calculating the mRIs to send to requesters
[12:22] <KenMan> request capacity = outgoing capacity , sorry
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[12:23] <KenMan> this doesn't mean that Q traffic *must* be perfectly and evenly shared over all peers, but it may need to move towards that general direction
[12:24] <KenMan> i don't trust the backedOffCount diagnostic anymore, unless NGR has been badly hacked to produce such low measurements.
[12:25] <KenMan> rather, i think its meaning or measurement has been changed due to request queueing code changes
[13:14] <Iakin> KenMan: Probably, since the code that counted it isn't really used anymore
[13:14] <Iakin> does anyone here know something about key segments?
[13:15] <Iakin> I am trying to update the current downloads page..
[13:15] <Iakin> And I need to understand the key download process better than what I do now to be able to do that
[13:16] <mikeDOTd> http://wikiserver.freenethelp.org:22222/ForDevelopers (has a blurb)
[13:26] <Iakin> mike: Yea.. I am checking it.. it isn't fully enough though
[13:28] <Iakin> Hmmm.. a manifest might contain multiple redirects... but only one of them is used per frpoxy download though
[13:40] <cbreak> are the files for the Distribution Servlet inserted into unstable?
[13:47] <Iakin5> yup
[13:47] <Iakin5> I think they are inserted whereever there is a node
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[14:10] <x0ff> got 512mb of ram, freenet continually gives me OutOfMemoryException errors when using the latest seednodes.ref (27mb) -- any hints?
[14:10] <x0ff> how can I throttle memory usage even?
[14:11] <ShaunMacPherson> not sure
[14:11] <ShaunMacPherson> but that is kinda crazy
[14:11] <ShaunMacPherson> :O)
[14:13] <cbreak> which build?
[14:13] <cbreak> and which Operating System?
[14:14] <x0ff> 5090 Win XP sp2
[14:14] <x0ff> sun jvm 1.4.2
[14:14] <cbreak> which freenet build?
[14:14] <x0ff> 5090
[14:15] <cbreak> update to 5092
[14:15] <x0ff> just ran snapshotupdater -- will that update it?
[14:15] <cbreak> (I read someone reduced the Memory usage while reseeding)
[14:15] <x0ff> 5092 on sourceforge?
[14:15] <cbreak> you could also edit your start-freenet.sh/Flaunch.init
[14:16] <cbreak> freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar
[14:16] <cbreak> but update.sh/whatever win uses should also update it.
[14:17] <x0ff> cheers, fyi, it appears updatesnapshot just updated freenet.jar also
[14:17] <x0ff> so I got 5092 now -- I'll check it out
[14:18] <cbreak> If you still get OOM, consider giving more memory to freenet.
[14:19] <x0ff> well, f*ck me. it's working
[14:19] <cbreak> good :)
[14:19] <x0ff> woohoo -- dogpr0n here I come!
[14:19] <x0ff> (joke)
[14:19] <greycat> however, we will not f*ck you. sorry.
[14:19] <x0ff> is this #freecommentry?
[14:20] <cbreak> there is porn with humans, I asume, but I don't think that there are dogs with enough mental capacity to insert material they like...
[14:21] <x0ff> well, those german shepherds are pretty smart.
[14:21] <x0ff> anyhow, what's a typical load % ? I'm at 65% right now
[14:21] <cbreak> a few minutes after you start freenet, load is high
[14:22] <cbreak> freenet tries to connect to lots of other nodes, and the crypto is quite heavy
[14:22] <cbreak> also, a few hours after you first start a node, it needs to get uset to the network, so you might get RNFs.
[14:23] <x0ff> cbreak: and when I shut off the node, will it need to get "used to" the network again next time it's fired up ? (I'm on a fairly transitory laptop here)
[14:23] <cbreak> depends on how long it was disconnected.
[14:24] <cbreak> my node sleeps every night, but still works shortly after startup (~15 min)
[14:24] <cbreak> also this may vary for stable (I am on unstable)
[14:25] <x0ff> ok, since this is my first time using freenet, how can I verify that I am actively seeking nodes?
[14:25] <cbreak> go to the open connection page
[14:25] <x0ff> I've set up portforwarding on my router, and fixed up the entries in the ini file
[14:25] <greycat> first, go to "Advanced" mode.
[14:25] <x0ff> k
[14:25] <greycat> (Ian decided he wanted to dumb down Freenet's default presentation for newbie users, to avoid scaring them away.)
[14:26] <cbreak> if your node is well established, you should have about the same number of incomming and outgoing connections
[14:26] <greycat> if you have any incoming at all, then your NAT/port-forwarding is correct
[14:26] <cbreak> If port forwarding or IP Updating does not work, or your node is new, you will not get incomming connections.
[14:26] <x0ff> inbound/outbound/limit = 0/9/150
[14:26] <greycat> how long has it been running?
[14:26] <x0ff> hmmm
[14:26] <greycat> it usually takes a while before you see any incoming
[14:27] <cbreak> x0ff: Wait a few hours.
[14:27] <x0ff> cheers
[14:27] <x0ff> getting a number of exceptions in the log file
[14:27] <x0ff> is that normal?
[14:27] <cbreak> yes. Depending on your error level
[14:27] <x0ff> java.lang.Exception: debug
[14:27] <x0ff> at freenet.support.io.NIOInputStream.read(NIOInputStream.java:319)
[14:28] <cbreak> debug warnings are quite common.
[14:28] <x0ff> everything is at defaults
[14:28] <greycat> the log file is extremely "chatty" even at normal levels
[14:28] <x0ff> k, noted.
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[14:28] <cbreak> set logLevel=error if you don't want GBs of log files.
[14:29] <cbreak> or logFile=/dev/null :)
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[14:29] <x0ff> I'm on a variable ip dsl here -- can I use a FQDN on ipAddress= in the ini file, e.g. use a dyndns account?
[14:30] <greycat> yes
[14:30] <x0ff> k.
[14:31] <x0ff> the old internet is more complicated that it used to be, pff
[14:31] <cbreak> the old internet, where you had host files instead of DNS?
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[14:31] <x0ff> aye
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[14:32] <x0ff> or you just didn't bother with host files at all unless you were coming down with alzeimers
[14:33] <x0ff> ever since I got a cellphone in 1995, my memory has degraded massively. I don't know if that from no longer storing numbers in my head (putting them in address book instead), or my head being fried with radiation. Probably both.
[14:33] * cbreak has neither a cell phone nor a good memory for numbers
[14:34] <x0ff> open connections page has a shedload of peers listed. that's good I take it
[14:35] <cbreak> I read that a count of 70 should be ok for a stable node.
[14:35] <x0ff> k, any idea of the typical net utilization, in/out for a "stable" node?
[14:36] <x0ff> I'm on an 800/3072 dsl
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[14:36] <x0ff> adsl even
[14:36] <cbreak> IO Limits are configurable
[14:36] <x0ff> dynamically?
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[14:37] <cbreak> I don't know. Some options are reloaded periodicaly from freenet.conf/ini
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[14:38] <x0ff> ok -- and the final dumbest question -- since this network is not searchable per-se, I've yet to have that "eureka" moment wherby I've worked out how to find things...
[14:39] <cbreak> The following command returns a list of supported options: "java -cp freenet.jar freenet.node.Main --onTheFly -"
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[14:39] <x0ff> cbreak: cheers
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[14:39] <cbreak> to search, it is most convinient to use frost (jtcfrost.sf.net)
[14:40] <cbreak> it builds an index of shared files, and allows you to up and download
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[14:40] <x0ff> thx
[14:40] <cbreak> (Downloading does sometimes not work, but searching does to a limited extent)
[14:40] <cbreak> Most people prefer to use other SW to up and download, and only post the keys to certain frost boards.
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[14:41] <cbreak> it looks like the BW Limits can be updated on the fly.
[14:41] <x0ff> ok, makes sense.
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[14:43] <cbreak> and while you at it, a freenet help wiki can be found at www.freenethelp.org
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[14:43] <x0ff> spotted that one already, cheers
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[16:08] <thelema> still no toad?
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[16:08] <mikeDOTd> i think he's gone until tuesday
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[16:09] <mikeDOTd> is fcptools broken?
[16:09] <thelema> oh. maybe I should just patch the problem.
[16:09] <mikeDOTd> i can fcpput, but not fcpget
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[16:09] <thelema> I wanted to run it by him, especially since my tree is already rewritten (that's how I found the bug)
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[16:10] <cbreak> someone told me that it was not fully modified to use the new ezFcplib(?)
[16:11] <cbreak> also fcpputsite is not included in the unstable builds at all.
[16:11] <cbreak> maybe the stable fcptools work :)
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[16:12] <mikeDOTd> is development continueing on fcptools?
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[16:12] <mikeDOTd> i'd like to use ezFcplib in a program of mine, if splitfile support is finished
[16:12] <cbreak> I think it is. Jay seems to be the maintainer.
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[16:14] <jay> hello
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[16:14] <jay> fcpput should be completely functional (im not aware of any immediate bugs)
[16:15] <jay> im in the process of finishing single-block retrieves on fcpget and splitfiles
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[16:15] <mikeDOTd> excellent
[16:15] <jay> then the lib will rock
[16:15] <jay> the place to check is the snapshots directory for tarballs
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[16:15] <jay> i uploaded a new tarball last week i think
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[16:16] <mikeDOTd> can ezfcplib handle splitfiles right now? I tried with fcpget and it fails, so i'm assuming no
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[16:16] <jay> it can put splitfiles, but not get them
[16:16] <mikeDOTd> ah
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[16:16] <jay> i think put is pretty much 1.0.. except for minor bugs
[16:16] <cbreak> is it intended to be able to put FEC Splitfiles?
[16:16] <jay> cbreak: it does
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[16:17] <cbreak> cool :) First native FEC... (Or does it use Freenets FEC?)
[16:17] <jay> nope it isn't native
[16:17] <jay> there's a hook for it.. won't be hard to do
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[16:17] <cbreak> hmm... still cool :)
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[16:18] <jay> native fec won't be until i release 1.0
[16:18] <jay> err after i release it
[16:18] <jay> i don't know if putsite is even still useful at this point
[16:19] <jay> it seems there are other alternatives to inserting sites
[16:19] <cbreak> well, I would use it.
[16:19] <cbreak> which alternatives?
[16:19] <jay> Freenet Tools for one
[16:20] <jay> it's fcptools without a separate C library
[16:20] <jay> so it has a standalone putsite
[16:20] <mikeDOTd> freenet insertion wizard is another
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[16:21] <jay> coding fcpputsite would be terribly easy at this point
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[16:21] <jay> all the freenet stuff is already handled in fcplib
[16:21] <ShaunMacPherson> bbiab
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[16:22] <cbreak> hmm... new toys to try out :)
[16:24] <jay> a new rebuilt toy in this case
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[16:24] <jay> sans memory leaks
[16:25] <jay> ian really needs to rethink his laptop irc software
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[16:25] <cbreak> I take a look at FIW, and maybe FT.
[16:25] <mikeDOTd> hehe
[16:25] <cbreak> Laptop? Maybe he uses WLan...
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[16:25] <jay> i think it's the laptop
[16:26] <jay> id ask him but Mr Peer keeps resetting him
[16:26] <cbreak> Hmm... the FIW can only be found in Freenet?
[16:29] <jay> could be
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[16:31] <jay> fcpget is trickier than put it seems...
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[16:46] <hobx__> Anyone know where Matthew is recently?
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[18:57] <jokern> Getting ALOT of these errors : 01:15:39 Too high probability: 1.003 while kludging
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[19:34] <digitalchaos> Anyone know how to tweak all of the settings in freenet to optimize it for a dial-up connection? (...even through dial-up is not the best from a network standpoint..)
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[19:36] <digitalchaos> Is anyone in this channel, or are you currently in other channels?
[19:41] <digitalchaos> Maybe I should just email technical support...and check back here when more people are actually chatting...what the heck do you people do here?
[19:42] <digitalchaos> It could just be my timing, that is loggin in when no who is talking (i'll just check back later)
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[23:16] <KenMan> somebody should ban that guy 'sanity' for flooding this channel with (dis)connects ! ;) oh, and that other dude 'pupok.'
[23:22] <KenMan> so far, with only a day or two worth of data collection, I would declare that queueing has not been a major victory. Success rates/volume are almost exactly what they were, as is query rates/volume.
[23:22] <KenMan> hopefully the browsing experience has improved, however, thanks to queueing...
[23:27] -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else
[23:27] -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
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