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[2:30] <bojangles> How do you reconfigure the amount of cache space used by freenet after you've already specified the initial amount?
[2:31] <bojangles> :\
[2:38] <mikeDOTd> bojangles: editing your freenet.conf/freenet.ini and restarting will make the node resize the datastore
[2:41] <bojangles> My freenet.conf file refers to a listen port and seedNodes... that's it. I don't have a freenet.ini file... I'm using the Linux version if that has anything at all to do with it..
[2:42] <bojangles> Or, I am using Linux, rather...
[2:44] <mikeDOTd> you can add: "storeSize="
[2:44] <bojangles> ooohhh.. :P Thanks. :)
[2:44] <mikeDOTd> the default is 256M
[2:44] <mikeDOTd> you can use K, M, or G
[2:45] <bojangles> as a postfix to the number?
[2:45] <mikeDOTd> np :)
[2:45] <mikeDOTd> nods
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[8:48] <KenMan> i actually have a common peak for successful key requests (1.6), and requested keys (1.3) in the histograms
[8:49] <KenMan> scary... but probably won't last, huh ?
[9:02] <KenMan> this is ridiculous - 10 routes are offering mRIs below 1000ms .
[9:06] <ShaunMacPherson> :)
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[9:49] <hirvox> hmm, my inbound request histogram is starting to resemble a bell curve
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[10:16] <slePP> i've got a question..
[10:16] <slePP> which is a faq, i'm sure
[10:16] <slePP> but if anyone wants to humour me :> when you insert a file, where does it end up?
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[10:21] <thelema> There's a conversion bug in converting from int to Rate; int is a 1/16th second sample, and rate should be in bytes/milli, but the math is: int / (16 * 1000) instead of int / 16 * 1000
[10:27] <thelema> back after aikido
[10:30] <hirvox> slepp:the insert request is routed like a normal request
[10:31] <slePP> hirvox: yes.. but the data ends up somewhere.
[10:31] * slePP is wondering where.. does it all go into my local cache store first?
[10:31] <slePP> or does it make its way out immediately via HTL to other nodes randomly?
[10:32] <hirvox> when you insert something, the insert request first goes out without the data. when the htl of the insert request expires, a chain of nodes that the request passed thru is formed. the data is sent then and all nodes in the chain store it
[10:35] <slePP> and is it optional that they store it?
[10:35] <hirvox> yes, pcaching applies normally
[10:36] <hirvox> but if their data stores are not full, the data is not rejected, it's eglible for deletion when the datastore eventually is filled
[10:36] * slePP nods. okie
[10:37] * slePP posted a frost message, and it showed up abotu an hour later (much like nntp :), so i was just wondering where it heads out and where it ends up.
[10:38] <hirvox> the request for that message might have ended up using a different route from the insert
[10:38] <slePP> yeh, i've not checked on how the frost system finds new things yet, which would probably have explained what you said above
[10:39] * slePP has yet to get more than about a 3% success rate, though. but it's improving
[10:40] <hirvox> AFAIR, frost messages are inserted with sequential numbers, and frost periodically checks whether a new message has been posted
[10:40] <slePP> makes it pretty easy to clobber another?
[10:41] <hirvox> well, assuming perfect routing, the insert should collide if a message was already inserted with that number
[10:41] <hirvox> but because requests might use different routes, it is possible that there's two different messages with the same number
[10:42] <hirvox> I don't know exactly, but I'd bet that if frost sees a message with the same number that it inserted, it reinserts the message with the next free number
[10:43] <slePP> yeh..
[10:43] <hirvox> afk, food
[10:43] <slePP> is there any view of the global routing table? like.. visible nodes vs. somewhat-known total?
[10:43] <slePP> okie
[10:44] <Ash-Fox> Damn the vietnamese! They're attacking forums by reviving old posts with things that don't make sense! http://www.shadow-realm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2311
[10:46] <slePP> heh
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[11:30] <bllx> getting new error msg in latest freenet on os X...
[11:31] <bllx> Native CPUID library jcpuid not loaded, reason: 'Dont know jcpuid library name for os type 'Mac OS X'
[11:31] <bllx> -using pure java.
[11:31] <bllx> is that cool?
[11:31] <bllx> or not very
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[11:32] <bllx> freenet cat read CPUid info
[11:32] <bllx> -cant
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[11:39] <cbreak> does not matter
[11:39] <bllx> roger...thanks
[11:40] <cbreak> there is no native code for PPC
[11:40] <cbreak> so freenet uses the slower Java methods.
[11:40] <bllx> k
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[11:55] <bllx> k/quit
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[13:11] <vsalento> what is current status of how inserts work (good/bad?) - I try to insert small files with htl 1-3 but they don't succeed very well
[13:21] <cbreak> I could insert a few files, but only tested local retrievability.
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[13:26] <vsalento> well for me some inserts succeeded quite fast but then one insert could stop responding (FCP) and I had to start inserts again
[13:26] <vsalento> is there any easy way to see what happens to the insert request when no response is received with FCP
[13:27] <jay> vsalento: what tool are u using?
[13:27] <vsalento> my own one
[13:27] <jay> ah well
[13:28] <jay> besides waiting on pending messages and restarts not much else u can do
[13:28] <vsalento> it uses AutoRequester to communicate with Freenet
[13:28] <jay> java client?
[13:29] <vsalento> wow... the insertion seem to been a success although no response has been returned with FCP... since I can request the file from Freenet manually
[13:29] <vsalento> yes
[13:30] <jay> if you reinsert the same file and it fails, but succeeded before you'll end up retrieving the 'original' chk
[13:30] <jay> original in quotes since you can't overwrite a chk
[13:30] <vsalento> so the problem is that AutoRequester doesn't send ClientEvent of successful insert every time to the listeners... odd
[13:31] <jay> i can only answer fcp specific questions since i know nothing about autorequestor
[13:32] <jay> you can turn up logging on the node but then be prepared for the avalanche of texyt
[13:32] <vsalento> well doesn't AutoRequester communicate with the Freenet node using FCP? (I'm not sure about this)
[13:32] <jay> im not even sure about that
[13:32] <jay> ive written C code that speaks FCP directly
[13:33] <jay> if you see anything like 'NodeHello' in the .java code then it's FCP
[13:33] <jay> ClientPut, ClientGet
[13:33] <vsalento> do you always get 'State DONE' answer when inserting files? (whatever response it is in FCP)
[13:33] <jay> EndMessage, etc.
[13:34] <jay> node returns either Success, KeyCollision, RouteNotFound, FormatError, Failed
[13:34] <jay> all of those could be considered 'Done'
[13:34] <jay> the 1st two are successful completion messages
[13:35] <jay> vsalento: have u seen the FCP protocol?>
[13:35] <vsalento> yes I'm sure they are defined in the spec but do you ALWAYS get one of them?
[13:35] <jay> usually
[13:35] <jay> except if something goes wrong ;)
[13:36] <vsalento> I have looked it but not details
[13:36] <jay> socket timeouts for one thing
[13:37] <jay> if you don't calculate the correct amount of bytes to send/receive from the node it will appear to hang indefinitely on the request
[13:37] <jay> if it hangs on sending the success message, the key was inserted correctly but the message never reveived, for example
[13:38] <jay> but all of this should be handled by the .java FCP class i would think
[13:39] <vsalento> well so I would think too... but something is not working.
[13:39] <jay> toad's been pretty good at *not* breaking FCP in my experience
[13:40] <jay> so when my stuff breaks i blame myself immediately until known otherwise
[13:40] <vsalento> I get everytime the events that indicate that the file is transferred to node, but then for successful inserts I then get 'Insert URI - freenet:CHK@ZlJ6p3N..' and 'The insert has been accepted; waiting up to 101 seconds for the StoreData' and 'State DONE reached.'.
[13:41] <vsalento> however for some inserts I never get any events after the file is trasferred to the node
[13:41] <jay> StoreData is FNP
[13:41] <jay> where is this java class?
[13:41] <jay> in cvs?
[13:42] <vsalento> freenet.client.AutoRequester ... that is what I use
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[13:46] <jay> ok i see
[13:48] <jay> you can use these same classes by using the cli interface of the node
[13:49] <jay> and verify whether the problem is your code or the class itself
[13:51] <vsalento> well I found at least one bug, or odd-feature, from there ... there might be more of those
[13:55] <vsalento> jay: do you know how the logLevelDetail works?
[14:01] <jay> sort of
[14:01] <jay> it needs a class name
[14:02] <vsalento> does it work without restarting the node?
[14:03] <jay> Core.logger.NORMAL or something
[14:04] <jay> when using it from freenet.client.cli.Main, yes
[14:04] <jay> it's the log detail for that specific FCP transaction
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[14:28] <vsalento> [OT] my hd disk is really broken... about 30% bad sectors :( ... quite hard to salvage any files from there
[14:28] <cbreak> how?
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[14:28] <cbreak> sectors should not breake regularily...
[14:29] <vsalento> well it seems there are 5M working sectors then 2M broken and that pattern repeats itself over and over again
[14:30] <vsalento> no idea how that can happen
[14:37] <jay> bug in the driver would do that
[14:38] <cbreak> how do you check for defect blocks? maybe the detection does not work...
[14:39] <vsalento> well possible... but either way the disk is finished and I want new one based on 1 year warranty (disk is 5 month old)
[14:40] <vsalento> I get errors in system log when reading from it; I have run badblock and dd_rescue when trying to find how big problem it is
[14:42] <vsalento> first indication of error was when I run command 'ls -l' as root and got permission denied
[14:49] <hirvox> jar:btw, the syntax for logLevelDetail is this: subsystem:level,subsystem2:level. So for example, if you wanted to log routing table related classes at level debug: logLevelDetail=freenet.node.rt:debug
[14:50] <hirvox> of course, you can use class names as well instead of specifying a whole subsystem
[14:50] <vsalento> I added 'logLevelDetail=freenet.client.AutoRequester:DEBUG' and I got some debug logs to log file
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[14:51] <vsalento> but they don't appear anymore so I restarted the node
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[18:56] <KenMan> hey folks, what is up with the stable network ? is it working (nicely/normally/poorly) ??
[18:56] <lexx-Zzzz> seems to be working
[18:57] * KenMan thinks it looks pretty normal, but wants to hear other opinions.
[18:57] * lexx-Zzzz is it working (nicely/normally/poorly) hehe
[18:57] <KenMan> cool - is it noticeably better, or about normal for you leex ?
[18:57] <lexx-Zzzz> if you can say =====================
[18:57] <lexx-Zzzz> ffs
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[18:58] <lexx> try that agane
[18:58] <lexx> normal
[18:58] <lexx> some one sayed thay tryed it before for 1 hr and sead it was not working
[18:58] <lexx> :)
[18:58] <KenMan> good 'nuff :) I see lots of 5092 nodes 'out there' ...
[18:59] <lexx> you need it up for an day some times for it to work proplery
[19:00] <lexx> KenMan you tryed sp2 yet
[19:00] <KenMan> i been up for 1.5 days with 5091, planning to update soon. No, a friend gave me the service pack, but I have not used windows in the ensuing weeks...
[19:00] * KenMan figures he will get around to it some day / month ...
[19:01] <lexx> seems to be working
[19:01] <lexx> wunder what it do to freenet
[19:01] <lexx> with its 10 max half open connections
[19:01] <KenMan> prolly not much. Maybe break the JVM in secret (although that's hard to hide). Good, you already know about that one.
[19:02] <lexx> ?
[19:02] <lexx> heh
[19:02] <lexx> tryed emule on my XP pc
[19:02] <lexx> and set it to over kill settings
[19:03] <KenMan> how many connections does that use ? that is not quite the same thing as e donkey ?
[19:03] <lexx> 100 connections
[19:03] <lexx> if set up badlay
[19:03] <lexx> nor 20 per 5 secs
[19:03] <lexx> norm
[19:03] <lexx> and max connections of 300-600
[19:04] <lexx> connected
[19:04] <KenMan> wow ! is that basically direct connections - sender<-receiver ?
[19:04] <lexx> as far as i know its the wording of the max 10 connection in sp2
[19:04] <lexx> yep
[19:05] * KenMan better go make ice if he is going to make mixed drinks...
[19:05] <lexx> lol
[19:05] <lexx> uk cable does not have problems with what every the peeps are called
[19:05] <lexx> BT uk does
[19:06] <lexx> got 8000 on que heh
[19:06] <lexx> but i do not upload full chunks
[19:06] <lexx> so i think thats why i cant be cort out yet
[19:07] * lexx uses credit shaper to find users who will upload back
[19:08] <lexx> i only test freenet at this time
[19:08] <lexx> just becoes its intresting
[19:09] * lexx is now known as lexx-fixing-pc
[19:15] * Hory (~Miranda@81.196.25.110) Quit ("Visit http://CyberLore.net for recommendations on the best games, websites and freeware. Don't settle for anything else!")
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[19:27] * KenMan agrees, freenet is fascinating.
[19:28] <Pengo> g'day all
[19:42] * Pengo (pengo@ppp157-174.lns2.mel2.internode.on.net) Quit ("Bottom line, GOD is peaceful and loving, GOD has nothing to do with killing. Satan is the king of wickedness.")
[19:54] * unknown_ (~unknown@dsl-213-023-240-060.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
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[19:57] <{xmb}> nothing but the yoyo index pages available, sup?
[19:57] <{xmb}> just downloaded freenet on windoz and it doesnt run well at all :/
[19:57] <{xmb}> unstable has way more connections, but works only bit better, 95% doesnt work, still nothing but yoyo popping up
[19:58] <{xmb}> usual?
[20:02] <lexx-fixing-pc> how long you been running stable for
[20:06] <{xmb}> not long, ago around an hour or two
[20:06] <{xmb}> with all the seednodes downloaded, now switching back to unstable and putting limits even higher in the configs
[20:08] <{xmb}> frost feels pretty useless like that
[20:13] <lexx-fixing-pc> some times it needs a bit longer then 1-2 hrs
[20:14] * lexx-fixing-pc is now known as lexx-giveupfixin
[20:14] <lexx-giveupfixin> ..
[20:15] <{xmb}> so its usual, freenet gone bad in the past?
[20:16] <lexx-giveupfixin> i give it an day
[20:16] <lexx-giveupfixin> then use it like norm
[20:16] <{xmb}> heh
[20:16] <{xmb}> funky
[20:17] <{xmb}> i bet if u clean your seednodes properly it'd work fine
[20:17] <lexx-giveupfixin> i think i do
[20:17] <{xmb}> can i connect to your node?
[20:17] <lexx-giveupfixin> how
[20:17] <{xmb}> heh, dunno either
[20:18] <lexx-giveupfixin> it ant running at the mo as i am downloading stuff
[20:18] <lexx-giveupfixin> if any thing this is what i do
[20:18] <{xmb}> mmm, in the docs it says like ask a friend to give u his node
[20:18] <{xmb}> but just... how
[20:19] <{xmb}> or, how to connect even =p
[20:19] <lexx-giveupfixin> the nodes from web site norm work
[20:20] <lexx-giveupfixin> norm i del
[20:20] <lexx-giveupfixin> RT files
[20:20] <lexx-giveupfixin> ngr files
[20:20] <lexx-giveupfixin> is nodes files
[20:20] <lexx-giveupfixin> node file
[20:20] <lexx-giveupfixin> and ratedata files
[20:20] <lexx-giveupfixin> and open up freenet.ini and change port
[20:21] <lexx-giveupfixin> then get stable or unstable and download it
[20:21] <lexx-giveupfixin> then get the ref file for stable or unstable
[20:22] <lexx-giveupfixin> so you have no unstable nodes (or stable if going from stable to unstable in your lists)
[20:22] <lexx-giveupfixin> in your list
[20:22] <{xmb}> hmm i got all three put in one nodes file
[20:22] <{xmb}> i shall put up the unstables only =p
[20:22] <lexx-giveupfixin> ?
[20:23] <{xmb}> 29MB seednodes.ref file, stable + unstable + this experimental thing
[20:23] <lexx-giveupfixin> you should not mix stable and unstable its dif protcoles
[20:24] <{xmb}> i see, fixed
[20:24] <lexx-giveupfixin> use stable.ref for stable or unstable.ref for unstable
[20:24] <{xmb}> yeh
[20:24] <lexx-giveupfixin> you find it probly find noeds faster
[20:24] <lexx-giveupfixin> nodes
[20:25] <lexx-giveupfixin> as the over nodes that are not the right ver will drop you
[20:25] <lexx-giveupfixin> and same thing the over way to
[20:25] <{xmb}> tried it with java 1.5?
[20:25] <lexx-giveupfixin> not yet
[20:25] * lexx-giveupfixin is now known as lexx
[20:26] <{xmb}> oh nice, full of open connections now =)
[20:27] <lexx> best leaveing the expermeting to toad_
[20:27] <lexx> useing unstable is more like testing the network with new things
[20:28] <lexx> i seen him update it 10 times in 1 day
[20:28] <lexx> (10 dif vers)
[20:29] <{xmb}> bad that both are incompatible :/
[20:30] <{xmb}> 44 connections, and freedom engine still unavailable
[20:31] * jay (jcl@ool-18bf6dac.dyn.optonline.net) Quit ("Client exiting")
[20:32] <lexx> don't expect it to work after been up for 5 mins
[20:32] <lexx> the longer its on the better
[20:32] <{xmb}> http://holla:8891/JzizJPy1MjI/
[20:32] <{xmb}> that might be a reason why it wont work?
[20:33] <{xmb}> freenet distrib package
[20:33] <lexx> ?
[20:33] <{xmb}> holla instead of the ip
[20:33] <{xmb}> which is the system name
[20:33] <lexx> nothing roung with that
[20:33] <{xmb}> excepts that nobody could access that link?
[20:33] <lexx> local loop back
[20:34] <lexx> holla sonds close to local
[20:34] <lexx> sounds
[20:34] <lexx> just not in eng
[20:34] <{xmb}> heh
[20:35] <{xmb}> can i change parameters while running? like a console somewhere
[20:36] <{xmb}> woot the yoyo faq showed finally up
[20:37] <lexx> so it does seem to be finding routes faster now
[20:39] <lexx> any way i off
[20:39] <lexx> need sleep
[20:40] <lexx> freenet need time some times if useing unstable be lucky you can get an freesite working
[20:40] <lexx> some times
[20:40] <lexx> as most of the content comes from users who have come from stable to unstable
[20:41] <{xmb}> nighty =)
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[21:12] <KenMan> yo Iakin, whazza happenin' ? you been out drinking or something ??
[21:14] * KenMan is still waiting on his ice to freeze :(
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[23:13] <{xmb}> how stupid btw
[23:14] <{xmb}> freenet could just rewrite its seednodes list in some access / seen order
[23:34] <{xmb}> is rtMaxNodes = 100 too high?
[23:35] <{xmb}> er, rtMaxRefs
[23:48] <ShaunMacPherson> not sure
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