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[0:16] <KenMan> something very curious is happening on stable - the average mRI from some nodes is dropping noticably, possible due to the introduction of queueing.
[0:17] <KenMan> As I am rate limiting based on backoffs, this is allowing more queries to flow through my node, while maintaining a "lower" percent of backed off routes
[0:18] <KenMan> it could just be a fluke, but the trend began around 3 hours ago... guess i'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here :)
[0:19] <KenMan> i have 12 of 47 peers as 5092, and I wouldn't be surprised if 5091 nodes can be influenced by the presence of 5092 nodes as well.
[0:20] <KenMan> the mRIs from the 5092 nodes are generally lower than those of the 5091 nodes :)
[0:22] * KenMan , the bearer of good news ??
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[0:47] <qwerty> Um, store size in the unstable conf. is in bytes?
[0:47] <gregh> if you don't put M or
[0:47] <gregh> G after it, yes
[0:47] <qwerty> Ooohkay....
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[1:02] <KenMan> this sort of sucks... although the incoming mRIs are going down, the average rank/backedOffCount of the first attempt routings (and retries) has risen :o
[1:12] <KenMan> ugh, and the percent of requests that are looping is going up. I don't know if this is a good sign or a bad one, but on the face of it - I don't like it.
[1:15] <KenMan> *percent of QRs that are due to looping , rather - in general they either loop or they RNF
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[1:26] <Iakin> Kenman: recently I have noticed that message overhead consumes more and more of the available bandwidth
[1:26] <Iakin> something like 30-40% of my bandwidth is nowadays non-trailer data
[1:27] <Iakin> And I guess that they probably are mostly due to QR's
[1:27] <Iakin> bbl
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[5:17] <hobx_> ahhh
[5:18] <hobx_> I was going to say "Post oral bliss" but that might be missunderstood.
[5:21] <mazzanet> !
[5:21] <hobx_> oral exam
[5:21] <hobx_> nothing else
[5:21] <hobx_> :-)
[5:21] <mazzanet> 'oral exam' could be missunderstood too....
[5:21] <hobx_> it's called that
[5:22] <hobx_> I didn't make up the word
[5:22] <hobx_> blugg
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[5:37] <Iakin5> [06:36] <KenMan> it could just be a fluke, but the trend began around 3 hours ago... guess i'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here :)
[5:37] <Iakin5> That was about when 5092 was released, wasn't it?
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[5:56] <osh> I'm still curious about this "downloader-og" that my antivirus claims that "nodeconfig.exe" contains. Is my AV fscked up or is something else a bit fishy?
[5:56] <Sugadude> osh: If you suspect it, then just compile it yourself.
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[5:59] <osh> Sugadude: Ah, but alas, I don't have devel-tools on this machine, and I wouldn't know how to anyway. More of a penguiny guy myself.
[5:59] <osh> Sugadude: It strikes me as a bit odd though. Has noone else seen this?
[6:00] <Sugadude> Well, clam-av claims it's clean, so it might be a glitch or a heuristics thing with your AV.
[6:01] <osh> McAffee AV here complains about it. Very strange.
[6:02] <Sugadude> Hmm, IMHO, McAffee is a POS. Most commercial AVs are POS.
[6:03] <mazzanet> sif have an AV at all
[6:05] <osh> Well, the company provides it and requires us to run it so I'm really SOL'ed there. If I had my choice this machine would be debianized already...
[6:06] <Sugadude> Then just add freenet.exe to it's ignore list or run freenet with a batch file.
[6:10] <osh> Seems to work now...
[6:10] <iip_i2p> <oOo> osh: If you suspect something weird, check the files using http://www.virustotal.com (no download at all, free and using major AV)
[6:11] <Sugadude> oOo: He (or she) was already using a "major" AV. ;)
[6:12] <osh> I am, but I'm still going to have a look at virustotal.com
[6:13] <iip_i2p> <oOo> Yes, but having 10 of thus AVs checking your file and only have one highlighting a very old virus in your file means you know where is the fault ;)
[6:14] * Sugadude just trusts clam-av blindly. :)
[7:25] <Ash-Fox> How does one prevent fp from downloading anything that isn' TXT, HTML, PIC (being that I am making a public node)
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[7:27] <Ash-Fox> By public, I mean anyone can access FP
[7:29] <cbreak> fp?
[7:30] <Ash-Fox> uhm... the http interface
[7:33] <cbreak> you could deactivate the splitfile servlet (to prevent downloading big things)
[7:33] <cbreak> and set publicNode=true (whatever that does)
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[7:42] <michaelkuijn> Hi people
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[8:02] <Ash-Fox> cbreak, how do I deactivate the splitfile servlet
[8:06] <cbreak> maybe setting FECMaxConcurrentCodecs= to zero works.
[8:06] <cbreak> it may be in your interest to set httpInserts= to false :)
[8:07] <Ash-Fox> cbreak, theres SSK@, CHK@... and what else?
[8:07] <cbreak> KSK and ARK
[8:08] <Ash-Fox> cbreak, I'm setting up proxy redirects to freenet, basically only urls that begin with those will be forwarded to freenet
[8:08] * Sugadude is pretty sure ARK==SSK.
[8:08] <cbreak> KSK is for arabitrarily named keys and ARK is to dynamicaly find out new IPs.
[8:08] <Sugadude> ARK is just a name for specific SSKs, IIRC.
[8:09] <Sugadude> (i.e. there are no ARK@ keys)
[8:09] <cbreak> yes :)
[8:09] <Ash-Fox> ah
[8:11] <cbreak> you could also just modify mainport.params.servlet.x for different x.
[8:12] <Sugadude> There are however, IIRC, SVK (Old name for SSK) and MAP (Before // notation).
[8:12] <Ash-Fox> does anyone have that lite theme on them?
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[8:12] <Sugadude> The lite theme doesn't work with new version of Freenet, the simple theme also doesn't, IIRC.
[8:12] <Ash-Fox> damn it
[8:13] <Ash-Fox> I hate having the macintosh interface :P
[8:13] <cbreak> it matches the rest of my UI :P
[8:15] <Sugadude> Aqua sucks, I want a C93 (Lynx) theme. :)
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[8:20] <cbreak> maybe its the rest of the UI that does not match to freenet: http://dhcp-32-094.via-eth.ch/~cbreak/freenet/screenshots/
[8:38] <Ash-Fox> yeah, a console application in macos, that's just wrong :P
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[8:41] <cbreak> hmm... I am writing this with irssi, and it works.
[8:42] <cbreak> better than that other, realBasic thing, and cheaper than all those shareware apps.
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[11:48] <KenMan> yes, the average mRI from routes has definitely come down on stable in coordination with the release of 5092
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[11:51] <cbreak> how is the upgrade mentality?
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[11:54] <vsalento> I haven't ever inserted any files into freenet so don't know how long it is supposed to take... any ideas? (30kB file)
[11:54] <cbreak> a few minutes
[11:54] <cbreak> depending on the routing
[11:55] <vsalento> nothing happened for over 20 minutes so something is not working?
[11:55] <cbreak> how do you insert? FProxy, Frost, fcptools?
[11:55] <vsalento> own code... trying to get it to work
[11:57] <vsalento> now it succeeded in 38 seconds ... much better :) (htl=1)
[11:58] <vsalento> when I use AutoRequester.computeCHK() it gives different CHK compared to what I get if I use doPut() method there... shouldn't it be the same?
[11:59] <cbreak> different meta data?
[11:59] <vsalento> perhaps... although I try not to specify any
[12:00] <cbreak> and for the insert delay thing: Maybe the return was different from what you have expected.
[12:01] <vsalento> I output all the events I get from the node... there didn't arrive any events at all after the data was transferred to it
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[12:20] <vsalento> It seems that doComputeCHK() calculates the CHK without any metadata but doPut() includes some metadata -> CHK values differ
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[12:40] <vsalento> does anyone here know about metadata that is inserted with the data?
[12:41] <cbreak> have you tried fcptools? They can show/save asociated meta data.
[12:44] <vsalento> no I haven't ... maybe I should see how they do things. However from the code it is clear that computeCHK() and doPut() behaves differently.
[12:44] <cbreak> (well, the unstable don't seem to work...)
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[12:45] <vsalento> what's wrong with it?
[12:46] <cbreak> fcpget unstable does not return, but stay in an infinite loop (or a long timeout) when recieving
[12:47] <cbreak> it seems to be able to show the meta data...
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[12:50] <vsalento> well I added some debug output logging to code to see what is in metadata when inserting... now I try to see if I can modify computeCHK() to use similar metadata than what is inserted with doPut()
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[12:55] <vsalento> well that was it... now I have version of computeCHK() that returns the same CHK as doPut() when same file is inserted... however I'm not is it correct to fix computeCHK() or doPut()? Well propably toad will tell.
[12:56] <cbreak> the normal approach is to insert stuff and report the returned key, I think. (That is what I read)
[12:58] <vsalento> in file ComputeCHKProcess, line=34: metadata.writeTo(System.err); <- someone with CVS write access should remove that (I think))!
[12:59] <vsalento> well yes, but why couldn't the computeCHK() return same CHK than what file gets when it is inserted?
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[13:41] <jay> [8:26] <cbreak> a doughnut is not a torus
[13:41] <jay> words to live by
[13:42] <cbreak> hm?
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[13:43] <jay> you dont find that funny taken out of context?
[13:43] <jay> it's funnier if you don't know or care what a torus is
[13:43] <cbreak> it is just a fact. They have suggar cream or something like that on top. At least they have here :)
[13:44] <cbreak> A torus is mathematicaly precise, it simple beauty can never be archived in real life.
[13:44] <jay> a torus?
[13:44] <jay> ;)
[13:44] <jay> is a torus the tube like shape in math terms?
[13:45] <hirvox> torus is like a circle spun around to form a ring
[13:45] <jay> a circular tube?
[13:45] <hirvox> yes
[13:45] <cbreak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torus
[13:45] <jay> there was a simpson's episode where homer ate a torus donut actually
[13:46] <jay> ah yes that thing
[13:46] <jay> someone wrote in the wiki that fcplib is written in "non-portable C"
[13:47] <cbreak> the fcptools? Why?
[13:48] <jay> i guess they thought that ansi/iso standards were obsolete
[13:48] <jay> funny it compiled on 5 different platforms
[13:48] <jay> no warnings
[13:48] <jay> :)
[13:48] <jay> and after i remove the trace POSIX routines it'll be 100% Standard C
[13:49] <jay> so i can browse freenet on my cellphone in theory
[13:49] <cbreak> maybe they don't know ansi/iso... or want fcptools for refrigerators...
[13:49] <jay> heh
[13:49] <jay> i updated it so it makes sense now
[13:50] <jay> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet#FCPTools
[13:50] <jay> i might get newsbyte to stop using Outlook Express to post to the mailing list
[13:51] <gregh> perhaps the original author was saying "non-portable" in the sense that it's not Java
[13:51] <cbreak> how? Finaly invented mind controll?
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[13:51] <jay> cbreak: the power of positive persuasion
[13:52] <jay> gregh: they meant it only ran on Unix machines
[13:53] <jay> i didn't realize how bad Outlook Express was
[13:53] <jay> even normal Outlook is far better
[13:54] <jay> OE doesn't add Reply-To or Reference headers at all making threading impossible
[13:54] <jay> outside of OE anyway
[13:54] <cbreak> NB is not subscribet to the list, so he never replies.
[13:56] <jay> he reads the archives via gmane
[13:56] <jay> i do the same for the Chat list
[13:57] <jay> and am subscribed to Dev, Support, & Tech
[13:57] <jay> cbreak: he's just stubborn ;)
[13:57] <jay> like me actually
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[13:58] <jay> cbreak: and my replies through GMane on Chat are always threaded properly because im using a decent nntp client
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[14:32] <Iakin> Heh.. moving a 170k files folder to another drive takes quite a while...
[14:34] <cbreak> how? Maybe rsync or dd would be faster than cp -R...
[14:34] <cbreak> I have even seen a copy solution with two tar instances and a pipe...
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[15:42] <Iakin> cbreak: I just dragged and dropped them :)
[15:42] <Iakin> 10% done now
[15:44] <cbreak> I am sure there are more efficient ways than just D&D.
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[15:58] <Iakin> it took 3 hours to format the disk.. and now it is starting to look like the transfer will take all night long..
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[16:52] <cbreak> KenMan: Now there are a few nice peaks: http://dhcp-32-094.via-eth.ch/~cbreak/freenet/3/before/
[16:53] <cbreak> an extract:
[16:53] <cbreak> 8b 64
[16:53] <cbreak> 8c 4295
[16:53] <cbreak> 8d 66
[16:54] <cbreak> that is with deactivated dataStoreIndex, and less than two hundred temp files.
[16:55] <cbreak> there are only 13510 Files in the store folder (including temp), but the DS Page reports over 40000
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[17:30] <cbreak> Ok, I have added up all keys mentioned on the key-size-distribution graph.
[17:31] <cbreak> 7409043KiB vs 6815604KiB on the Environment Page
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[17:54] <cbreak> now over 50k files
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[18:01] <toad_> hi
[18:02] <Ash-Fox> Hey toad_
[18:02] <toad_> Ash-Fox: hi!
[18:02] <toad_> how's everything ?
[18:02] <Ash-Fox> Fine.. fine.. just finished adding a instant messaging gateway to AIM and ICQ on my IRC network
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[18:03] <toad_> how's freenet?
[18:03] <toad_> Ash-Fox: cool!
[18:03] <Ash-Fox> I've gone back to stable for now, because I am getting tired of the lack of content
[18:04] * toad_ nods
[18:04] <toad_> me too, even though i'm testing the new code changes
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[18:17] <cbreak> http://dhcp-32-094.via-eth.ch/~cbreak/freenet/3/before/
[18:17] <cbreak> I am at 50825 keys, with lots of peaks.
[18:18] <cbreak> the whole store folder (including temp dir) contains 13550 files.
[18:18] <Ash-Fox> In the "peer to peer" page, I saw a user who managed to make the graph show a smiley face
[18:21] <cbreak> If I multiply the number of keys with their respective size, I get 7470584 KB, the Environment Page only shows 6,813,144 KiB
[18:21] <cbreak> So there may be some unacounted keys in freenets memory...
[18:23] <cbreak> curl -s http://localhost:8888/servlet/nodestatus/ds_size_histogram_data.txt | grep -v # | awk 'BEGIN {f=1;s=0} {s+=$2*f;f=f*2} END {print s}' should return roughly the same as the environment page, IMHO
[18:24] <toad_> strange that the leak doesn't happen here
[18:25] <cbreak> maybe its the VM. I am also running frost. I disabled the DS Index.
[18:25] <toad_> it's probably because of frost
[18:25] <toad_> that's the missing piece of the puzzle
[18:27] <cbreak> hmm... After the next Node Restart, I won't start frost for a while... Maybe that gives more clues.
[18:27] <toad_> well i won't be here until tuesday
[18:27] <toad_> after i log off
[18:27] <toad_> so you may want to mail us about this
[18:27] <cbreak> ok.
[18:30] <cbreak> I stopped frost. The results of above calculations continue to grow, but much slower.
[18:31] <toad_> hmmm
[18:31] <toad_> got a few xferring blocks already... cool
[18:33] * toad_ tries to fetch some different files...
[18:35] <toad_> anyone got the diebold files recently from either network? any of them?
[18:43] * toad_ lol @ the xbox/linux freesite
[18:45] <toad_> bbl
[18:47] <toad_> bbl
[18:47] <toad_> back ~ tuesday evening
[18:47] <toad_> maybe wednesday
[18:47] <toad_> if freenet breaks in the meantime... scream and run in small circles
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[19:23] <Zorix> i just noticed how incredibly easy it is to insert into freenet now
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[19:52] <lexx-Zzzz> lol
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[20:09] <KenMan> i am getting 6th or 7th choice routing , and have achieved 57% of routes backed off on average
[20:10] <KenMan> through some strange miracle I am getting decent routingSuccess - i only allow RNFs to retry a single time, and I'm processing < 1000qph
[20:11] <KenMan> but i don't know if this is all due to achieving such low backoff or whether the stable network is perking up...
[20:11] <KenMan> can anyone share the routingSuccessRatio diagnostics for a stable node ?
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[20:17] <KenMan> heh, the smallest mRI from a route is 23ms... let's see, that would equate to ... a max of 156521qph from that one route.
[20:18] <KenMan> I don't think I'll be sending that many queries his way anytime soon :o
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