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[1:26] <ray_> Damn it, why doesn't Freenet work with Java 1.3.1? Grr.
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[1:26] <salahx> no nio
[1:27] <salahx> Same reason why it doesn't work iwith Kaffe/GCJ/Classpath etc
[1:28] <ray_> What's that?
[1:29] <salahx> NIO is "Native IO"
[1:29] <salahx> handles async operations; etc
[1:29] <Iakin> yonkeltron: OpenMosix cannot migrate threads across machines in the cluster..
[1:29] <salahx> err nonblocking IO
[1:29] <Iakin> ..only processes..
[1:30] <salahx> th'ats what it stands for
[1:30] <ray_> Oh. I thought "nio" was a typo.
[1:30] <salahx> Nop
[1:30] <salahx> NIO = "Nonblocking IO"
[1:30] <Iakin> and since the JVM is one process with many threads it wont work..
[1:32] <ray_> Oh well. I guess I'll just have to wait until 1.4 is ported.
[1:33] <salahx> IS this for *BSD ?
[1:33] <ray_> Yeah.
[1:33] <salahx> acutaly, there IS A 1.4 port for *BSD
[1:33] <salahx> However you have to buuild it yopurself I think
[1:33] <ray_> Well the one in the ports tree is broken for OpenBSD.
[1:34] <ray_> And I doubt I can get it working on my own.
[1:34] <salahx> You may be able to use Linux binary support to run the Linux version under *BSD, not sure...
[1:34] <ray_> (This is referring to the Linux-emulated version.)
[1:34] <salahx> ahhh
[1:34] <ray_> I don't think the native 1.4 version even builds yet.
[1:35] <salahx> hmm
[1:35] <ray_> A couple of years back I ran Freenet using 1.3.
[1:35] <ray_> It wasn't very stable, but it worked.
[1:35] <salahx> yeah
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[1:36] <salahx> Hopefully Kaffe/GIJ will produce a working NIO (which may be hard; not not impossible; even Suun's implenetation is buggy)
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[1:36] <mikeDOTd> sun-jre 1.4 won't run on openbsd via linux binary emulation
[1:36] <mikeDOTd> you need native threads
[1:36] <mikeDOTd> there's a freebsd port, but that doesn't help openbsd users
[1:36] <ray_> I tried running it in Windows, but it soaked up all my bandwidth and CPU power, AND it didn't load any pages.
[1:37] <salahx> FReenet does that on ALL platofrms :)
[1:37] <ray_> I heard that the FreeBSD JDK isn't that good either, but I don't have experience in it so I don't really know.
[1:38] <mikeDOTd> ray_: fwiw i'm running freenet on xp sp2, and it runs just as good as on my linux box
[1:38] <mikeDOTd> cpu usage averages ~12%
[1:39] <mikeDOTd> i've got outbound bandwidth limited to 12288bytes (the default)
[1:39] <chroot> ray_: same here :-) i still dont know why i cant load any pages.
[1:39] <mikeDOTd> granted i have an openbsd as a router doing QoS
[1:40] <ray_> They need to come out with some better Java implementations. Something that is fast, stable, and has low overhead.
[1:40] <ray_> And complete, too.
[1:41] <ray_> Not to mention portable.
[1:42] <salahx> well there ones in the works
[1:42] <salahx> But jsut liek Freenet; there all understaffed and undeerfunded
[1:44] <salahx> http://www.kaffe.org/
[1:45] <salahx> http://gcc.gnu.org/java/
[1:46] <ray_> Does anyone know if Entropy can be used to connect to Freenet?
[1:47] <salahx> no
[1:47] <salahx> the use the same CLIENT protocols; but different server ones
[1:47] <salahx> Entropy is dead anyway
[1:47] <ray_> Bah.
[1:47] <ray_> Yeah, I figured. It took me a while to google it because I forgot the name.
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[2:45] <digger3> toad_: no I am sure it is not kiloBITS/sec, the freenet.conf states that outputBandwidthLimit is in bytes per second, I've set it to about 12KB/s (12000) but it keeps using all about 30-40KB/s
[3:55] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> toad! you there?
[3:56] * mazzanet slaps a large trout around a bit with a Newsbyte
[3:56] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> /me prods mazza with a long stick with a needle on top
[3:58] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> there is something I don't understand; in the beginning, toad said small chunks thingy was good for improving anonymity...now, he says just the oposite. What is it, now? and why?
[4:15] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> there is something I don't understand; in the beginning, toad said small chunks thingy was good for improving anonymity...now, he says just the oposite. What is it, now? and why?
[4:15] <mazzanet> shhh
[4:16] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> /me de-shushes mazz
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[7:11] <giobbe> does anybody knows where can i get a list of public available freenet nodes?
[7:12] <giobbe> (or even a single public node to access freenet without installing it on my client)?
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[8:23] <toad_> hmmm
[8:23] <toad_> this is concerning...
[8:23] <toad_> TFE, YoYo and TFHI are not available on my stable node
[8:24] <toad_> they all DNF
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[8:54] <Iakin5> toad: TFE is available on my unstable node..
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[8:56] <Redb3ard> hey grey
[8:57] <greycat> hello
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[10:12] <toad_> hi
[10:13] <toad_> hmmm
[10:13] <toad_> the transfer of the tfe container is taking an insane amount of time
[10:13] <toad_> it must be going really really slowly... or maybe it's died?
[10:22] * toad_ ponders 2x SATA 160GB drives for ?140...
[10:24] * KenMan says "go for it" , just don't knock them like I did to a 160G drive in a dream last night (it was catastrophic)
[10:24] <toad_> well i may need more cooling, which would increase the price...
[10:24] <digger3> toad_: nice price
[10:24] <toad_> also i'd need to get some drive bay adaptors...
[10:25] <digger3> http://www.tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/333//?Sortering=Prijs&Query=&Action=&Landfilter=Benelux
[10:26] * toad_ checks bank balance and decides to wait for next paycheck :)
[10:27] <toad_> more striped storage would be nice though... compressed logs are a PITA sometimes
[10:27] <KenMan> try lighter logging in the meantime
[10:27] <toad_> KenMan: heh
[10:27] <toad_> try debugging without logging...
[10:27] <KenMan> i mean, how do you read 600 character wide log lines ? You must have one of those 4000x4000 wall projectors or something...
[10:28] <toad_> and yes i do regularly tweak it
[10:30] * toad_ hmmm
[10:30] <toad_> Caught freenet.node.rt.EstimatorFormatException: No point 0
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[10:30] <toad_> but i checked the fieldset and it definitely contains a point 0...
[10:30] <KenMan> those are normal and frequent...
[10:31] <toad_> grrr, this is logLevel=minor for this class...
[10:31] <toad_> so i can only see the fieldset as a whole...
[10:32] <toad_> found it!
[10:32] * toad_ -> idiot
[10:32] <toad_> should be points.getSet not set.getSet on L215 !
[10:33] <toad_> okay, NEXT !
[10:33] <toad_> Queue run took 2101
[10:33] <toad_> hmmm
[10:33] <toad_> not long enough to tell me much really
[10:33] <toad_> 02:43:01.654 Request to send:...
[10:34] <toad_> 02:43:04.537 Running queue, 2 requests, maximum time to expiry: 42488
[10:34] <toad_> okay, so it's simply the sending of the message that takes time...
[10:34] <toad_> unfortunately i don't have enough logging to see why...
[10:35] <toad_> ah
[10:35] <toad_> no
[10:35] <toad_> it wasn't that
[10:35] <toad_> because we didn't send it!
[10:37] <toad_> timeToSendWindow=911 so it didn't go to NGRouting.canRouteTo
[10:37] <toad_> hmmm
[10:38] <toad_> argh fscking garbage collection...
[10:38] <toad_> :)
[10:39] <KenMan> into every JVM a little GC must fall...
[10:39] <toad_> it takes 2 seconds to do a GC, of course...
[10:39] <toad_> (or more)
[10:39] <toad_> 02:43:02.078 <log message>
[10:39] <toad_> 02:43:04.537 <log message>
[10:39] <toad_> nothing in between :|
[10:39] <toad_> GC locks the whole VM
[10:40] <toad_> and IIRC incremental GC, or whatever the other mode was, uses so much CPU as to be impractical
[10:40] <KenMan> yeah, what was those guys thinking ? garbage collection. couldn't there be a middle ground ?? like "garbage detection" or something ?
[10:40] <KenMan> ;)
[10:41] <toad_> i like garbage collection... at least i would like it if it didn't cause long pauses.. :(
[10:41] <toad_> i suppose the answer in theory is to produce less garbage...
[10:42] <KenMan> and look towards recycling for a brighter future...
[10:43] <cbreak> store unused class instances for recycling... sounds like keeping old text files to copy words from...
[10:44] <toad_> KenMan: how is that possible with e.g. Strings?
[10:45] <toad_> i wish there were some easy way to find what causes these: waited more than 120000ms in NIOIS.read()
[10:45] <KenMan> i dunno, String is a bad example in this case
[10:45] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, how is the latest unstable?
[10:46] <KenMan> "just that"
[10:46] <toad_> KenMan: it's a common one though
[10:46] <toad_> especially if i'm using enough logging to do actual debugging with
[10:46] <toad_> Ash-Foxeus: don't know
[10:47] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, well... what are the current problems then? :)
[10:47] * Ash-Foxeus can't access his freenet e-mail account, got locked out
[10:48] <Ash-Foxeus> (Where I'm subscribed to the mailing lists)
[10:48] <KenMan> toad be still wringing the bugs outta queueing ...
[10:48] <Ash-Foxeus> KenMan, ah ok
[10:54] * toad_ wonders if the debian spamassassin package has got the bugs out yet...
[10:54] <toad_> we need something...
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[10:59] <toad_> hmmm
[10:59] <toad_> lots of Long messageInitialStateTime
[11:04] * toad_ improves logging a bit...
[11:04] <toad_> MuxConnectionHandler.toString() should only be done in full every 15 minutes
[11:04] <toad_> i'm assuming System.currentTimeMillis() is REALLY cheap here... i think that is true, but there are optimizations we can do...
[11:06] <Ash-Foxeus> ...
[11:07] <Ash-Foxeus> Right, I install netscape, first thing I notice as I am looking through the setting files timebomb.expiration_time = "974318401000000"
[11:10] <toad_> heh
[11:10] <toad_> that's last century isn't it?
[11:11] <Ash-Foxeus> Sat Jul 23 05:45:04 1994
[11:12] <Ash-Foxeus> hmm, definately not unixtime
[11:13] <toad_> why are you installing netscape btw?
[11:14] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, just stealing the XPIs for the AIM and ICQ messenger, I'm going to modify them so it works in firefox and mozilla, then publish it to freenet :P
[11:21] <toad_> XPIs? AIM and ICQ integrate into netscape?
[11:21] <toad_> i see...
[11:24] <hirvox> hrm, what is LoadSaveCheckpointed.java doing in the freenet main directory instead of src/freenet/support?
[11:24] <toad_> it shouldn't be there
[11:24] <toad_> delete it
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[11:35] <Ash-Foxeus> the new netscape has aim and icq built into netscape, using a xpis... xpi was taken from mozilla and firefox, it shouldn't be too hard to backport it, just need to change a few things like the browser checking and configuration windows
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[11:43] <toad_> bbiab
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[12:06] <hobbs> Is it purely impossible to run the node on a machine that simply can't receive incoming connections? I thought they figured that one out somewhat.
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[12:07] <Ash-Foxeus> hobbs.... no it's not impossible.. just switch your node to transient mode
[12:07] <hobbs> Ash-Foxeus: there's no such option in freenet.conf anymore
[12:07] <cbreak> you will only end up in the RT of nodes you like, not in the RT of Nodes that like you.
[12:08] <hobbs> cbreak: yeah, I'm aware of the mechanics of it
[12:08] <cbreak> All requests, that get routed to you come from Nodes your node has contacted. That may hurt Anonymity and Routing effectiveness.
[12:10] <hirvox> cbreak:not true. other nodes can learn your node's identity by other means (like DataSource or announcements)
[12:10] <cbreak> yes. but they can not contact you
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[12:11] <Ash-Foxeus> they can make contact to you through other nodes
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[12:11] <mikeDOTd> RNF: 93 backed off nodes
[12:12] <cbreak> Yes. Only the ones your node has contacted can contact you. And to be in an RT, you have to be contactable, I think.
[12:12] <hirvox> but yes, if you're firewalled, other nodes will have to wait for your node to contact them before they can route to you
[12:12] <KenMan> not bad, slightly better than my 0 of 0 nodes being backed off :o
[12:12] <Ash-Foxeus> The request couldn't even make it off of your node. yay
[12:13] <hirvox> of course, they can route to the next best node, that might have an open connection to your node
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[12:14] <cbreak> have the devs already implemented premix routing?
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[12:14] <hirvox> no
[12:14] <Ash-Foxeus> Still needs a good borg cube
[12:15] <cbreak> I don't see another way to cause a node to route to an other node.
[12:17] <Iakin> toad, re 'GC locks the whole JVM'.. try using one of those concurrent GC's that exists..
[12:17] <Iakin> They should not lock the JVM..
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[12:18] <Iakin> ..And start logging GC times so that you can verify that it is GC that causes the pauses
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[12:20] <hirvox> cbreak:if your firewalled node has popular data, a positive feedback loop should cause adjacent nodes to relay requests to your node if they keep getting data from your node
[12:20] <cbreak> hmm... sounds reasonable... If routing works :)
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[12:20] <hirvox> of course it takes much longer for the positive feedback loop to form than with an unfirewalled node
[12:21] <hirvox> that's a big if :)
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[12:30] <toad_> <Ash-Foxeus> they can make contact to you through other nodes - how?
[12:30] <cbreak> at least with queueing the routedToChoiceRank sounds more promissing.
[12:30] <toad_> Iakin: concurrent GC uses a ton of cpu iirc
[12:34] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, by contact I was thinking of freemail
[12:36] <toad_> hmm?
[12:36] <toad_> what do you mean?
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[12:37] <toad_> Ash-Foxeus: what about freemail?
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[12:37] <toad_> Ash-Foxeus: i personally don't generally use it mostly because i usually can't run both stable and unstable nodes at the same time..
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[12:38] <toad_> hmmm interesting... only the 0200-0300 log matches
[12:38] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, don't you just need to run them on sepearte ports?
[12:38] <Ash-Foxeus> *seperate
[12:38] <toad_> this means the xfer of TFE's container has been deadlocked for all that time... 16 hours!
[12:38] <toad_> Ash-Foxeus: sure
[12:38] <toad_> it's a matter of resource usage
[12:46] <toad_> doh
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[12:46] * toad_ committed to wrong branch...
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[13:00] <toad_> bbiab, /me -> aikido
[13:00] <toad_> have loads of local bugfixes to commit, will do later
[13:00] <toad_> also chasing an interesting bug which may be queueing related
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[13:02] <toad_> bbl
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[13:32] <Redb3ard> test
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[14:30] <KenMan> bah, with non-queued 5091 I send out 3.46 times more requests than I take in... doesn't this make me a bad freenet-citizen ??
[14:30] <Ash-Foxeus> I think Dillo was made for freenet...
[14:30] <KenMan> ( and I don't even browse locally!! )
[14:30] <Ash-Foxeus> It works so well with freenet
[14:31] <cbreak> something that works well with freenet? Hmm...
[14:32] <Ash-Foxeus> It's a webbrowser that is under 1mb in size
[14:32] <Ash-Foxeus> works great in windows and in linux
[14:33] <cbreak> After spending at least 256 MB for a DS, I don't think additional few MB for Firefox would matter... :)
[14:34] <KenMan> but what about those individuals that desire to run freenet on their cellphone/PDA ?
[14:34] <Ash-Foxeus> Haha, this runs on my PDA with freenet
[14:34] <Ash-Foxeus> KenMan, it's what I'm doing right now, it runs perfectly fine on my PDA :D
[14:35] <cbreak> Freenet on a PDA? Hmm... Those things have more RAM than I imagined...
[14:35] <KenMan> somehow i never pictured 'high-speed' freenet as being dependent on an automobile to make it go fast :p
[14:36] <cbreak> hmm... even links is 2 MB.
[14:36] <KenMan> but now we have a new option to make it go fast, at our disposal...
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[14:38] <sanity_m> hi
[14:39] <Ash-Foxeus> cbreak, the secret is that dillo uses libraries which are the size of 4.32 MB, which are usually installed on any *nix system
[14:39] <Ash-Foxeus> well, around that size :)
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[14:39] <cbreak> hmm... cheaters...
[14:40] <Ash-Foxeus> JPEG, OPENSSL, GTK, ZLIB :)
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[14:46] <cbreak> real browsers don't need Pictures, browse the web with TELNET!
[14:46] <salahx> hehe
[14:47] <cehteh> real people use gopher://
[14:47] <cbreak> real old people...
[14:47] <salahx> I tihnk Gopher is as dead as *BSD :)
[14:48] <cbreak> hey, BSD continues to live in Mac OS :)
[14:49] <cbreak> (Maybe Gopher lives in IE, who knows...;)
[14:49] <salahx> MS killed Gopher support some time ago
[14:49] <salahx> due to a buffer overflow
[14:50] <cehteh> gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/world/last-hit try that in ur browser
[14:51] <salahx> it works in Mozilla
[14:51] <salahx> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-027.mspx
[14:51] <cbreak> hmm... interesting... it works in omniweb.
[14:53] <cehteh> works in lynx too
[14:53] <cbreak> that thing does not even serve HTML... soo retro... like it :)
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[14:57] <galt> salahx: google for furry terror
[14:59] <salahx> Interseting
[14:59] <cbreak> they are bashing java on /. (again?)
[15:00] <salahx> "...And of all the great programmers I can think of who don't work for Sun, on Java, I know of zero...."... WTF?
[15:00] <galt> hmmm, I guess gnu@toad sucks at programming then
[15:01] <galt> John Gilmore: Sun Employee #6
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[15:18] <Ash-Foxeus> I know people who think that every version of windows is written by bill gates only
[15:18] <Ash-Foxeus> They really scare me, because I can't convince them otherwise
[15:18] <cbreak> hmm... you sure they realy think?
[15:18] <salahx> heh
[15:24] <Ash-Foxeus> I hate waiting for configure scripts to finish doing their thing
[15:26] <cbreak> hmm... make -j 4 speeds things up, maybe configure can do something similar.
[15:26] <salahx> I don;t think so because ./configureh as to run serially
[15:27] * Ash-Foxeus stabs the configure file!
[15:28] <Ash-Foxeus> *** GLIB 2.4.0 or better is required. The latest version of... I have 2.4.6 !!!
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[15:28] <cbreak> maybe a "sudo renice -19 $!" helps...
[15:28] <cbreak> with the speed problems :)
[15:30] <salahx> maybe becasue you don;t have glib-devl installed
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[15:34] <Ash-Foxeus> I installed ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.4/glib-2.4.6.tar.gz
[15:35] <redX> hi all
[15:35] <redX> does any1 wanna help a newbie pleaseeee
[15:35] <cbreak> ask
[15:36] <Ash-Foxeus> This will go down in history as the first newbie to use "pleaseeee" instead of "plzzzzz"
[15:36] <redX> i have installed freenet but when i open the gateway an iexplorer pages opens and then nothin
[15:36] <redX> i have 2day download the seed.ref file again
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[15:36] <cbreak> you may not want to use IE because of some security related bugs.
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[15:37] <Ash-Foxeus> redX, don't use internet explorer
[15:37] <Ash-Foxeus> redX, www.mozilla.org
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[15:37] <cbreak> I may be wrong, but in the past freenet used to display a warning if ie was used.
[15:37] <redX> ok i will thanks, i take it iexplorers a bit buggy then
[15:37] <Ash-Foxeus> No, internet explorer is crap
[15:37] <redX> but i can't get onto it at all
[15:37] <redX> lol
[15:38] <cbreak> It asumes that text with HTML content is HTML, which allows to break anonymity
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[15:38] <redX> i,m download linx on e-mule hopefuly expreiment with that and then move over
[15:38] <cbreak> (Has Win Version of freenet also log files?)
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[15:38] <Ash-Foxeus> cbreak, yes
[15:39] <redX> its suse linx 9.1 u think that any good
[15:39] <Ash-Foxeus> cbreak, infact, it's the same binary on windows which is used on linux
[15:39] <salahx> I Don;t suppsoed they address that in SP2 ?
[15:39] <Ash-Foxeus> redX, I think you should start off with mandrake linux, which you can download for free from www.mandrakelinux.com
[15:39] <redX> right ok
[15:40] <Ash-Foxeus> redX, you don't need to pirate linux... it's free software
[15:40] <redX> lol, its the only place i really knew how to get it,
[15:40] <redX> lol
[15:40] <cbreak> Suse tends to make it a bit harder to get the newest version.
[15:41] <Ash-Foxeus> cbreak, bittorent?
[15:41] <redX> heard of that but ave never used it
[15:41] <redX> take it u giys r all on linux
[15:41] <redX> guys
[15:41] <cbreak> Mac :)
[15:42] <salahx> a lot of us are
[15:42] <redX> ooh, wasn't expectin that lol
[15:42] <salahx> Gentoo here
[15:43] <redX> anyways ages ago freenet used to work, but after i reinstalled my machinei could never get it workin again
[15:44] <Ash-Foxeus> redX, try the unstable build
[15:44] <redX> i am being a firewall it uses NAT and (don't say anything lol my isp is AOL) but i don't need AOL on to access the net
[15:44] <cbreak> Freent has problems with NATs, old seednodes.ref, old freenet.jar, XP SP2
[15:44] <salahx> with IP detectyion thoguh the NAT stuff is better
[15:44] <Ash-Foxeus> cbreak, I haven't noticed any problems with xp sp2, if you are refering to the 10 connections delay... not really effected me
[15:45] <cbreak> and was that OOM Error due to big seednodes fixed? I think I read that...
[15:45] <redX> ok guys go slow lol
[15:45] <cbreak> Ash-Foxeus: Yes. Someone on #freenet (IIP) had Problems with the Delay. Maybe he used other P2P Programs also...
[15:46] <redX> i ave routed the 2 ports freenet uses to pass to me but sill no difference
[15:46] <Ash-Foxeus> cbreak, it limits 10 connections to each app, any more are queued and slowly opened
[15:46] <salahx> actually its 10 half-open connections
[15:47] <redX> can i give u the main error in the log,
[15:47] <cbreak> so the limit would slow freenets startup phase (when it spawns lots of threads to open initial connections...)
[15:48] <Ash-Foxeus> cbreak, yep, but other than that, no problems, and it's only slowing down outgoing connections
[15:48] <redX> 24-Aug-2004 21:04:36 (freenet.support.io.NIOInputStream, YThread-39, NORMAL): waited more than 120000ms in NIOIS.read() tcp/connection: 1420>66.138.111.20:11141,freenet.transport.tcpConnection@82cd97:freenet.support.io.NIOInputStream@879b3b- closing
[15:48] <redX> java.lang.Exception: debug
[15:49] <salahx> Naah, that's harmless
[15:49] <redX> does that make sense 2 any1
[15:49] <cbreak> does not look unusual
[15:49] <redX> ok
[15:49] <salahx> I'm not sure if Freenet keeps tracks as you which nodes are contactabler and which are not; or if it does; if it shares the in the recferences
[15:50] <cbreak> have you tried an other webbrowser? If it does not work with one, we can guess further :)
[15:50] <redX> ok i.ll get mozilla is it
[15:51] <Ash-Foxeus> redX, firefox
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[15:51] <cbreak> or firefox, or opera, or... :)
[15:51] <Ash-Foxeus> dillo! :D
[15:51] <cbreak> yes :)
[15:51] <Ash-Foxeus> I have a port of dillo if you wish redX
[15:52] <redX> ?? port of dillo
[15:52] <Ash-Foxeus> redX, it's a very small light weight webbrowser
[15:52] <cbreak> redX might be the second user :P
[15:52] <redX> lol :-)
[15:53] <redX> firefox is installing
[15:54] <Ash-Foxeus> I hate configuration files that partially rely on package utilities
[15:55] <cbreak> still fighting with that ./configure script?
[15:55] <Ash-Foxeus> yeah
[15:55] <Ash-Foxeus> I think it'll be okay now though
[15:56] <cbreak> you might want to try the power of the apt-get (or whatever your system offers)
[15:56] <Ash-Foxeus> I don't like package utilities
[15:56] <redX> http://127.0.0.1:8888/servlet/nodeinfo/ thats the address yea
[15:56] <Ash-Foxeus> yes
[15:57] <salahx> emerge is great :)
[15:57] <salahx> If you're not running Gentoo and hate the packaging system; Gentoo is for you!
[15:57] <Ash-Foxeus> I hate gentoo more
[15:57] <cbreak> you should see a web interface with an aqua look and some broken picture links... :)
[15:57] <Ash-Foxeus> I build everything my self
[15:58] <Ash-Foxeus> Using the original linux kernel etc.. ;)
[15:58] <cbreak> hmm... to much time or to paranoid?
[15:58] <redX> its seems to b doing less
[15:58] <Ash-Foxeus> No, I just don't like many distributions
[15:59] <Ash-Foxeus> They always have out of date stuff, then I end up recompiling everything
[15:59] <cbreak> redX: doing less?
[15:59] <redX> explorers green bars moved to halfway mozilla just says waiting
[16:00] <Ash-Foxeus> First he says firefox now he says mozilla
[16:00] <redX> they not basically the same thing
[16:00] <cbreak> firefox is only a browser, not a complete suit.
[16:00] <redX> ahh its firefox
[16:01] <redX> sorry 4 dosin ur heads but anymore ideas pleaseee
[16:02] <cbreak> if the web interface does not work, maybe the startup takes a lot longer than normaly...
[16:02] <Ash-Foxeus> If you want a fast startup, I can tell you how
[16:02] <redX> i ave left it ruuning for a few hours
[16:02] <redX> do i need to change any configuration settings r anything
[16:03] <cbreak> only the usual stuff, like Datastore Location, Size Limit, ...
[16:03] <Ash-Foxeus> tried restarting?
[16:03] <redX> 127.0.0.1,localhost <<would any1 know if i need to change this as i am being a nat
[16:03] <redX> yea tried that 2
[16:04] <cbreak> 127.0.0.1 should allways be localhost
[16:04] <Ash-Foxeus> Then it hasn't been running for a few hours
[16:04] <redX> no thats in the configuration settings
[16:04] <cbreak> maybe he tried it a few hours ago?
[16:04] <redX> which u can change
[16:04] <Ash-Foxeus> To make freenet run faster edit FLaunch.ini, and change the Javaw= parm to C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_05\bin\java.exe (basically just remove the "w" from the filename)
[16:05] <Ash-Foxeus> and restart the freenet launcher
[16:05] <redX> in the freenet.ini i canhed ip to the ip of my router thats what the faq said if ur r behind a nat but still no luck
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[16:06] <redX> i will give that a ty
[16:06] <cbreak> redX: those configurations allow freenet to run, but it should show a web interface even if it can not contact other peers.
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[16:07] <redX> ohh so i am really not avin any luck at all then
[16:07] <redX> firefox indicator has moved to half way
[16:08] <cbreak> I wonder why
[16:09] <cbreak> are there any other errors in freenet.log=
[16:09] <cbreak> Out Of Memory Errors or something like that.
[16:10] <redX> no just lost connections
[16:10] <redX> can i send u the log file
[16:11] <cbreak> If the message is not obvious I would probably not notice it either...
[16:12] <redX> 24-Aug-2004 21:29:51 (freenet.support.io.NIOOutputStream, YThread-64, ERROR): NIOOS.write(byte[],int,int) timed out.tcp/connection: 8888>127.0.0.1:3670,freenet.transport.tcpConnection@1910f1 closing freenet.support.io.NIOOutputStream@39b2a2
[16:12] <redX> that is the latest error
[16:12] <salahx> tThat are normal
[16:12] <redX> ok
[16:13] <cbreak> a timeout while replying to a browser connection?
[16:13] <redX> so just sit back and be patient yea with crossed fingers
[16:14] <salahx> Timeout are frequest in Freenet. There's at least 3 different message but they all about the same thing: Timeout
[16:14] <redX> yea lol i c that
[16:14] <salahx> THe other one is "State does not recieve"
[16:14] <redX> the log said updated bookmarks i think thats a good sign yea
[16:15] <cbreak> it seems to have loaded the config file.
[16:16] <redX> i remeber the last time i has this goin it barely worked, does it speed up,,,as in the more u use it
[16:16] <redX> like leave it running 4 days
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[16:17] <salahx> right though 1 ro 2 days shoudl suffice
[16:17] <cbreak> hmm... but the web interface should load quite fast when freenet runs...
[16:17] <salahx> yeah nroamlly it does
[16:17] <salahx> You running some kind of firewall ?
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[16:18] <redX> my router is a firewall and i got norton 2004
[16:18] <salahx> aha
[16:18] <salahx> If it Norton Internet Security I bet its breaking it
[16:18] <cbreak> Norton is one of those PFW...
[16:19] <redX> it would'nt b safe to disable it
[16:19] <redX> on freenet
[16:19] <redX> would it
[16:19] <cbreak> you should allow java to listen on 8888, 8481(?) and your secret public port...
[16:19] <cbreak> I don't use a PFW :)
[16:20] <redX> what do u use
[16:20] <redX> i had zone alrm pro but it just conflicted with everythin i did
[16:20] <cbreak> If you are behind an NAT, and are the only computer in your network, a PFW has only limited usefullnes
[16:21] <redX> yea, i don't semm to get hit alot
[16:21] <redX> compared to people without a router
[16:21] <redX> no there is 1 more computer
[16:21] <redX> buts its behind the nat 2 but it uses Mcaffe
[16:22] <cbreak> (Anti Virus?)
[16:22] <redX> firewall
[16:22] <cbreak> Try to allow the Ports for freenet/java
[16:23] <redX> in norton
[16:23] <cbreak> yes, I think. Whatever PFW you use.
[16:24] <cbreak> 8888 and 8481 should only listen to requests from localhost by default anyway. And the other port has to be available for outside contact to allow freenet work effectively.
[16:25] <redX> the only java showin up is javaw and its set to permit all
[16:25] <cbreak> (Others: Help me, I have never used a Personal Firewall! :)
[16:25] <cbreak> hmm...
[16:27] <redX> right i just disabled it c if any change occurs
[16:28] <redX> whats this secret port about
[16:28] <cbreak> thats the one you have configured for outgoing connections
[16:29] <redX> i ave open ports 8888 8481 on my nat, but then if there is another port how do i define it, like see what port freenet is using then allow that
[16:29] <cbreak> it is randomly chosen. you should not tell the number to other users (at least not if you want to prevent a link between you and your node)
[16:29] <cbreak> look for a line starting with "listenPort=" in your freenet config file
[16:31] <redX> # The port to listen for incoming FNP (Freenet Node Protocol) connections on.
[16:32] <cbreak> yes
[16:34] <redX> ok i think maybe my router is the problem
[16:34] <redX> i just got ,,ERROR: Unable to add the specified NAT entry !!
[16:35] <cbreak> The conection to 127.0.0.1 should never reach the router
[16:37] <redX> can i change that other port to whatever i want
[16:37] <redX> say can i use the same port say my e-mule would use
[16:37] <cbreak> yes, but it should be bigger than 1024, and not colide with an other port you want to open on your computer
[16:38] <cbreak> some providers limit the bandwith on well-known P2P Ports...
[16:38] <redX> i think i am ok from that aspect i am downloadin now at 40kbs
[16:41] <redX> i'm getting tons of these message now, which i never got br
[16:41] <redX> 4-Aug-2004 21:59:22 (freenet.node.http.DistributionServlet$DistributionRequest, YThread-16, NORMAL): RouteNotFound Fetching (running) freenet:CHK@ix0Z0wFt5jfWFGmbIZaLud~VOIsPAwI,2MBdgGPT57XMzl0AxpSKyA as README for DistributionServlet
[16:41] <cbreak> ok.
[16:42] <cbreak> your node seems to work, it tries to fetch a few files from freenet
[16:42] <cbreak> (And fails due RNF Errors...)
[16:43] <cbreak> So your problems seem to be related to FProxy (the HTTP Component)
[16:43] <redX> ahh it has gone back now to the other error
[16:43] <redX> every so often
[16:44] <cbreak> have you tried frost, the freenet message board?
[16:44] <redX> lol can't get it workin either just opens up but does noting
[16:44] <cbreak> (A quite nice piece of SW, mainly because it is the only of its kind :)
[16:44] <redX> lol
[16:45] <cbreak> hmm... what Java Version do you have?
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[17:27] <redX> hello i'm back, sorry i had to run out there
[17:30] <redX> hello can any1 help me with freenet
[17:31] <luckypunk> hi.
[17:31] <redX> hi
[17:31] <luckypunk> whats the problem?
[17:31] <redX> it wont load for me
[17:32] <redX> browser open up
[17:32] <redX> but won't load anything
[17:33] <luckypunk> How long have you had it running?
[17:33] <redX> well over an hour
[17:33] <luckypunk> oh
[17:33] <luckypunk> hm
[17:33] <luckypunk> What OS?
[17:33] <redX> xp
[17:33] <luckypunk> windows xp?
[17:33] <redX> but i am behind a router
[17:33] <redX> yea
[17:34] <luckypunk> hm..been a while since i've used that..
[17:34] <redX> it has NAT
[17:34] <luckypunk> Hm. your router wouldn't prevent your main page opening.
[17:34] <luckypunk> 127.0.0.1:8888, right?
[17:35] <redX> yea
[17:35] <redX> http://127.0.0.1:8888/
[17:35] <luckypunk> hm
[17:35] <luckypunk> What happens?
[17:35] <redX> the indicator bar gets to half way and stops there
[17:35] <luckypunk> Is the connection refused, or is it just blank?
[17:35] <redX> but the page remains blank
[17:37] <luckypunk> restart freenet, open the error log (right click on the bunny...there should be something to view log or something.)
[17:37] <redX> yea
[17:38] <luckypunk> is there error messages?
[17:39] <luckypunk> Freenet sometimes doesn't always start, restarting may help that.
[17:39] <luckypunk> restarting freenet, that is.
[17:39] <redX> Address 10.0.0.138:41967 seemed incorrect. To use Freenet you must have a globally addressable Internet address set correctly.
[17:39] <redX> could this be the prob
[17:40] <redX> it said in ther faq if u r behind a nat to change the ipaddress in the freener.ini to ur nat address
[17:40] <redX> 24-Aug-2004 22:58:40 (freenet.support.io.NIOInputStream, YThread-4, NORMAL): waited more than 120000ms in NIOIS.read() tcp/connection: 1806>205.206.77.121:40045,freenet.transport.tcpConnection@394ffa:freenet.support.io.NIOInputStream@b1bed2- closing
[17:40] <redX> java.lang.Exception: debug
[17:40] <redX> this is the other erroe
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[18:53] <toad_> hi
[18:54] <toad_> <KenMan> bah, with non-queued 5091 I send out 3.46 times more requests than I take in... doesn't this make me a bad freenet-citizen ?? - yup
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[18:57] <KenMan> thanks for confirming my deviancy :o
[18:58] <toad_> <Ash-Foxeus> redX, you don't need to pirate linux... it's free software
[18:58] <toad_> <redX> lol, its the only place i really knew how to get it,
[18:58] <toad_> LOL
[18:58] <toad_> <cbreak> (Has Win Version of freenet also log files?) - yes
[18:58] <Ash-Foxeus> :P
[19:00] <toad_> <redX> i ave routed the 2 ports freenet uses to pass to me but sill no difference - which ports?
[19:03] <cbreak> he configured 8888 and 8481 :)
[19:04] <toad_> <cbreak> (A quite nice piece of SW, mainly because it is the only of its kind :) - no, there are several message boards-and-files over freenet
[19:05] <toad_> appsd
[19:05] <toad_> apps
[19:05] <cbreak> the only other I know is FMB
[19:06] <toad_> <redX> Address 10.0.0.138:41967 seemed incorrect. To use Freenet you must have a globally addressable Internet address set correctly.
[19:06] <toad_> <redX> could this be the prob
[19:06] <toad_> <redX> it said in ther faq if u r behind a nat to change the ipaddress in the freener.ini to ur nat address
[19:06] <toad_> that's one of the problems
[19:06] <cbreak> and the last time I tried it, there where no other users...
[19:06] <toad_> just get rid of that
[19:06] <toad_> comment the line out
[19:06] <toad_> is your browser set up to go through a proxy?
[19:07] <toad_> redX: here?
[19:11] <toad_> ugh... offer of advertising revenue
[19:18] <toad_> hmmm curious
[19:18] <toad_> the HALO RvB trailer... the splitfile manifest is available
[19:18] <toad_> but none of the blocks
[19:19] <KenMan> another graph (non-Qed) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/FreeNet/5091c.png - dunno why i haven't gotten above 30 conns yet, but only 7hrs up from scratch
[19:20] <cbreak> is there an easy way to create such graphs?
[19:21] <KenMan> just ask toad for the scripts to do it on linux :)
[19:21] <cbreak> I can't steal toads precious time :)
[19:22] <KenMan> actually, the scripts are supposed to be available on freenetproject.org , but they are not. I need to update that page !!
[19:22] <mikeDOTd> i've had terrible luck with open connections
[19:22] <toad_> ask KenMan
[19:22] <KenMan> :)
[19:22] <KenMan> okay, i go update it now.
[19:23] <toad_> hmmm
[19:23] <toad_> this is going to be a major PITA if we're not logging client...
[19:23] <toad_> or perhaps not
[19:23] <toad_> just fetch the metadata by hand :)
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[19:25] <toad_> today's CHK is CHK@BS8yd983Lomtbmpv1cp-drKwIKwRAwI,YE3XcXeRq3YHxiM8-bPeLQ...
[19:25] <toad_> today's TFE container, that is...
[19:25] <toad_> for the next 16 minutes
[19:27] * toad_ wonders if gzip is significantly faster on a K8...
[19:30] <toad_> KenMan: do you think it would be useful to serialize the individual node rate limiting data?
[19:30] <toad_> the startup spike is definitely still there...
[19:30] <toad_> perhaps it's just due to the low connections count...
[19:30] <KenMan> possibly, but I don't think it will offer great benefits just yet...
[19:31] <toad_> hmmm
[19:31] <KenMan> naw, forget about it - it hurts more than helps if too much downtime has elapsed
[19:31] <toad_> interesting the CHK is only mentioned in the -02 log, and maybe the really late ones?
[19:31] <toad_> nothing from 03 to 11 though...
[19:31] * toad_ is tracking a wierd bug
[19:31] <toad_> a download seems to have just frozen
[19:32] <toad_> SSK@rBjVda8pC-Kq04jUurIAb8IzAGcPAgM/TFE//
[19:32] <toad_> Transfer of 108 bytes started. Done.
[19:32] <toad_> ...Followed redirect...
[19:32] <toad_> Transfer of 1718 bytes started. Done.
[19:32] <toad_> ...Followed redirect...
[19:32] <toad_> Transfer of 67142 bytes started. Done. 16384 bytes transferred. 32768 bytes transferred.
[19:32] <toad_> it's said that for the last 22 hours or so
[19:33] <cbreak> If I enter the SSK, I get a DNF.
[19:35] <toad_> yes, i know
[19:35] <toad_> and that's bad
[19:35] <toad_> it should have propagated by NOW!
[19:36] <toad_> ah
[19:36] <toad_> it's ONLY mentioned in freenet.log-2004-08-24-02
[19:36] <toad_> [.gz]
[19:36] <toad_> that's interesting!
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[19:38] <toad_> and all the messages there are to do with failure.. hrrm
[19:39] <toad_> hmm
[19:40] <Ash-Foxeus> look on the bright side, freenet will at least never fail in something... never fail to fail
[19:40] <toad_> it would be rather annoying if I can't actually debug this without restarting with logLevelDetail=freenet.client:debug...
[19:41] <toad_> hmmm
[19:41] <toad_> strange...
[19:43] <toad_> hmmm
[19:43] <toad_> definitely don't have enough logging here... or something really odd is happening...
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[19:46] <KenMan> i hate trying to do web things... toad_ : how familiar are you with the webpages ??
[19:47] <KenMan> the FreePlot page I made up has links that link to these scripts I made for plotting, but the scripts don't exist on the website.
[19:48] <toad_> not especially
[19:48] <KenMan> I thought maybe I could just add them as HTML, so people could cut and paste them, and we would only need a single .php file for the whole shebang
[19:48] <KenMan> but that gets nasty. Well, okay, I'll see what I can do.
[19:48] <mikeDOTd> you could put them in the snapshots dir
[19:48] <toad_> apparently we lost the creation of this DataPending in the log...
[19:49] <KenMan> err, i want to cause minimal pollution. maybe in a subdir under snapshots... as they are tiny.
[19:49] <KenMan> i could fix the links if toad could put the files under snapshots, if that is even a good idea.
[19:50] <toad_> sure
[19:50] <KenMan> i'll mail you a small tarball with notes, good ?
[19:50] <toad_> yup
[19:50] <KenMan> thanks !!
[19:50] <toad_> i may not act on it immediately...
[19:51] <toad_> do you need me to?
[19:51] <KenMan> no , it will take me a day anyway :(
[19:51] <KenMan> and it's been broken for a month or more :o
[19:53] <toad_> logically, it's likely that this bug is new with queueing, right?
[19:54] <toad_> but it had already started transferring... unless that's a white elephant...
[19:57] <toad_> java.io.IOException: Could not read all the expected data, read 17940 of 131220
[19:57] <toad_> for 6631d464194bdf84:eb426e24ec920a
[19:57] <toad_> sh*t
[19:57] <toad_> it stopped later according to Current Downloads
[19:58] * toad_ will have to somehow reproduce this...
[19:58] <toad_> with better logging
[19:58] * toad_ thinks the likelihood of that happening is pretty low...
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[20:02] * toad_ restarts stable-with-hacks node
[20:04] <cbreak> hmm... the fcptools don't contain fcpputsite anymore...
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[20:13] <toad_> okay, got the manifest for TFE...
[20:13] <toad_> anyone got any of the alinks on stable yet? i have TFE and FIND's alinks, DNF on TFE site...
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[20:14] <toad_> got the manifest for both FIND and TFE...
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[20:31] <toad_> got TFE...
[20:31] <toad_> and it's now permanently cached...
[20:31] <toad_> both today's and yesterday's editions...
[20:33] <Jarod> how's progress on freenet?
[20:34] <Jarod> anything new and exciting?
[20:34] <toad_> possibly
[20:35] <toad_> hmm, an NPE.. possibly queue related...
[20:35] <toad_> Error while
[20:35] <toad_> receiving message freenet.Message: StoreData@
[20:35] <toad_> ...
[20:35] <toad_> java.lang.NullPointerException
[20:35] <toad_> java.lang.NullPointerException
[20:36] <toad_> AND NO STACK TRACE!!!
[20:36] <toad_> aaargh
[20:36] <toad_> -server STILL sucks
[20:37] <toad_> hmmm, it's using 1.4.2...
[20:37] <toad_> i thought it was set to 1.5...
[20:37] <toad_> oh well
[20:39] <jay> toad_: has anyone reported fcp-fec insert problems?
[20:41] <jay> with 5091
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[20:44] <toad_> jay: don't think so
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[21:04] <toad_> okay, this should let me catch such deadlocks in future...
[21:08] * toad_ restarting with a periodic dump of all running fproxyservlets...
[21:10] <toad_> my stable node has 85 connections!
[21:10] <KenMan> lucky bastard
[21:10] <salahx> not bad
[21:11] <KenMan> but then again, you are seed #1 , capt ;)
[21:11] <KenMan> which should not hold any position of priority, but...
[21:15] <KenMan> It is interesting to compare the ratios of requests sent to requests received over my peers. Although my node multiplies input by 2-3 times, for output, some peers send me more Q's than I send to them.
[21:16] <KenMan> I think there are nodes out there that vaccuum requests, and only a small percent ever come back out of those nodes :o
[21:16] <KenMan> like iakin's rubberhole node, for example.
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[21:47] <KenMan> if we measured the percent of requests that DNF'ed for each route, we could avoid overusing the vaccuums and route around them. Oh wait, what is pDNF for ?? And shouldn't we rather address the problem head on ??
[21:48] <KenMan> The immediate problem is that a vaccuum node computes mRIs that are too low, thus encouraging the flood of requests that cannot then be routed further...
[21:50] <KenMan> so, a node with higher bandwidth cannot necessarily process more queries just by the nature of having more bandwidth. Because the sum query quota doled out by all the average-capacity peers will produce an output quota of an average node.
[21:50] <jay> toad_: fixed a dumb bug in fcplib for fec files ;)
[21:51] <KenMan> The only way a vaccuum node could be as effecient as an average node is if he had more peers. So aggregation of outgoing capacity would then provide a greater capacity, yet it now must be divided between more requesters... which means...
[21:52] * KenMan thows the egg AND the chicken at anyone reading this stuff...
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[21:59] <KenMan> generally, the only thing a node with higher bandwidth can accomplish is more simultaneous transfers, unless it has a HUGE datastore.
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[22:06] <gregh> I played with freenet a couple of years ago, and I recall it working reasonably well. I just set up a new node today, and while it was sort of working earlier it is now giving me uninformative messages like "the network is busy, try again later"
[22:07] <gregh> and "couldn't connect to the network."
[22:08] <gregh> between the time it was working earlier today and now, UTC rolled over to the next day, is that when DBRs start looking for the new version?
[22:08] <gregh> oh, and the linux machine running my node sure is busy (loadavg of 3 to 4 on a PII-300)
[22:10] <KenMan> gregh: that is a slightly underpowered box for freenet, but your experience sounds familiar :(
[22:11] <gregh> yeah. I have a new much faster box, but it's already kind of busy and also doesn't have a new enough java vm
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[22:12] <gregh> so is freenet still viable? the concept is really cool but it seems as though the infrastructure doesn't work.
[22:18] <toad_> gregh: hi
[22:18] <KenMan> well, the wheels have been stuck in the mud for a long long time. And a lot of coding has taken place, sadly without a significant degree of improvement to show for it. But a tremendous number of ideas have been hashed over, so that is probably the biggest gain.
[22:18] <toad_> gregh: yes, it will get better if you run it for a few days continuously
[22:18] <KenMan> there's the red-eyed amphibian now :)
[22:19] <KenMan> i think toad should be the first candidate for human cloning, once the bugs are worked out and people learn to accept it.
[22:19] <gregh> ok, I intend to leave it up and to see what happens :)
[22:19] <toad_> heh
[22:19] <KenMan> toad, what is your honest assessment of the past 3 years ?
[22:19] <toad_> or perhaps bufine cloning?
[22:20] <toad_> KenMan: there were always big issues
[22:20] * KenMan has only been around for about a year ...
[22:20] <toad_> I think we may be closer to dealing with some of them - I mean the fundamental ones
[22:20] <toad_> e.g. routing vs load
[22:20] <KenMan> yes, it does smell that way :)
[22:21] <toad_> you can't code your way out of this - it's important, there's a LOT of code involved - but basically it comes down to understanding it - plus there are a bazillion and one bugs to fix :)
[22:22] <KenMan> so the gazillion plus 1 has been reduced by 1000 then ? ;)
[22:22] <salahx> HEy, not bad for the (maybe) impossible :)
[22:26] <KenMan> globalQuota is still about an hour out, but it should arrive eventually (at a sane level). Ahh, the joys of a restart !!
[22:31] <toad_> 25 FProxy requests, max age=686108, min age=190887:
[22:31] <toad_> 24 FProxy requests, max age=723769, min age=228548:
[22:31] <Ash-Foxeus> Oh look, no spam in one of my mail boxes, my DNS server must be down for that domain... it's unlikely that my daily average of 300 spam would just stop suddenly
[22:31] <toad_> three hundred? :(
[22:32] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, I get more in the e-mail addy I've had for 9 years
[22:32] <toad_> i haven't counted lately... we get a lot on the lists though...
[22:32] <toad_> (which i mod)
[22:32] <Ash-Foxeus> I made a seperate account for freenet
[22:33] <Ash-Foxeus> freenet@quickfox.org
[22:33] <toad_> 40 FProxy requests, max age=790768, min age=45386:
[22:33] <Ash-Foxeus> I prefer to keep my mailing lists seperate from my personal e-mail addresses
[22:33] <toad_> Ash-Foxeus: making throwaway accounts for each time you give your address out is an interesting tactic
[22:33] * toad_ has occasionally used it...
[22:33] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, actually, it's not a throw away account
[22:34] * toad_ has e.g. given various web sites such things
[22:34] <toad_> make one for online reg
[22:34] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, server just rejects any e-mails that does not come from the mailing list server :)
[22:34] <toad_> so if you get any spam on that account you KNOW it's their fault, and you ditch it
[22:35] <Ash-Foxeus> dodo.freenetproject.org if I remember correctly was the only server allowed to relay e-mail to that account
[22:35] <toad_> Ash-Foxeus: hehe
[22:35] * toad_ has no idea how to set that up but it's a good idea.. except for the fact that people may want to reply privately to your mails
[22:35] <toad_> 40 FProxy requests, max age=915871, min age=170489:
[22:35] <KenMan> spam sucks. Even I get some now. I am very unfriendly towards even my closest of friends when it comes to sending me jokes or chain letters or ...
[22:35] <toad_> hmmm
[22:36] <Ash-Foxeus> My e-mail is availible in the public PGP signiture I provide in every e-mail I send
[22:36] * galt is now known as galt-away
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[22:37] <Ash-Foxeus> They just import the public key and they get my e-mail addy
[22:38] <KenMan> spammers just canvas every insecure server out there that has your address, and at least 10,000 others, and suck it into the big spam vortex from which you can never escape.
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[22:39] <Ash-Foxeus> KenMan, I know all about spam... I have SPF checking, DNSBL checking, No e-mail addy no relay permitted, fake domain checking etc.. etc..
[22:39] <KenMan> i saw a cartoon recently that portrayed the problem (with popups) and it indirectly characterized the idiotic personalities who must respond to this stuff
[22:40] <toad_> 40 FProxy requests, max age=1227878, min age=482496:
[22:40] <toad_> yikes...
[22:40] <toad_> Ash-Foxeus: dodo doesn't have SPF yet iirc...
[22:41] <KenMan> "if you have a credit card, you can WIN MONEY NOW" , just play a hand of poker. Thousands win every day.
[22:41] <Ash-Foxeus> KenMan, I have to say, once I was on somebody elses comp (forced to use IE) forgot that it didn't have a popup blocker, and then I got this really good immitiation of a command prompt popup window, and I wanted to close it, so I clicked it :P
[22:41] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, dodo has SPF records though :)
[22:41] * KenMan wonders why a winner needs to give their credit card number before playing...
[22:41] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, dodo doesn't have SPF checking, that I know
[22:42] <Ash-Foxeus> KenMan, I just imagine some old grandma getting this "You might already be a winner, you get a holiday at some expensive hotel bla bla bla" and then this poor old lady really believes it...
[22:42] <Ash-Foxeus> ROFL
[22:42] <KenMan> I am surprised that AMWAY (multi-level pyramid scheming get richer than everyone else FAST) never migrated to the internet.
[22:43] <Ash-Foxeus> I just fixed the DNS entries on one of my domains... 30 spams come through in 2 minutes
[22:43] <KenMan> Yes, senior citizens are the most frequent victims of mail and telephone schemes.
[22:43] <Ash-Foxeus> I hate insurance companies
[22:44] <Ash-Foxeus> They confuse me with the jargon that I am going to loose everything
[22:44] <Ash-Foxeus> Many times I have missunderstood them in Polish, thinking that they were saying I had lost everything bla bla bla
[22:44] <Ash-Foxeus> I hate them
[22:44] <toad_> entire countries have been ruined by pyramid schemes...
[22:45] <Ash-Foxeus> It really isn't funny when they terrify you saying that "you may of lost all your money in your bank account"
[22:45] <Ash-Foxeus> *have lost
[22:46] <KenMan> here in america, the lawyers tell us that we can win millions from the insurance companies. "Was your child ever dropped ? Sue the hospital for his low IQ. Our clients have received millions and millions for unfair health practices. Do you have a headache, or maybe an itch ? If so, we are ON YOUR SIDE..."
[22:47] <KenMan> this is representative of 1 in every 5 television commercials , blecch.
[22:47] * KenMan obviously can't afford commercial free TV :)
[22:47] <Ash-Foxeus> "Are you sad? Are you fat? It's because you're fat! Sue the company that feeds you your food"
[22:47] <KenMan> that one is still in the appeals process. So only a few thousand cases have queued up for it.
[22:48] <Ash-Foxeus> I pretty much like saying to my self each time I hear about it "Bite the hand that feeds you"
[22:48] <KenMan> heh
[22:49] <toad_> there is a slight difference between what McDonalds does and what the tobacco companies did
[22:49] <toad_> it's not much of a precedent
[22:50] * KenMan decided to stay away from the controversy of Big Tobacco
[22:50] <Ash-Foxeus> Figures from ZDNet Germany labs indicate that AMD's fastest desktop chips can outpace those of Intel. <- seriously... why would you need more than 2GHz?
[22:50] * KenMan wants an opteron in the next year...
[22:50] <toad_> Ash-Foxeus: I do :)
[22:50] <toad_> i only have an xp 2800+ :|
[22:51] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, I'm pretty much happy with 2GHZ and 1.8GHZ procs here
[22:51] <KenMan> that would make the russian computer scientists of the 70's absolutely fill their trousers
[22:51] <toad_> :)
[22:51] <Ash-Foxeus> toad_, I don't feel the need for faster processors, only more ram
[22:51] <toad_> i have 1.5GB, that seems reasonably adequate for now
[22:51] <toad_> more RAM would cost almost as much as a faster CPU at this point
[22:52] <Ash-Foxeus> I have 128MB ram in my laptop, and I am going insane
[22:52] <KenMan> I want to move to 1G. 512 gets a little tight at times... :(
[22:52] <Ash-Foxeus> My servers have 1-2GB of ram
[22:52] * Ash-Foxeus can't stand running on 128MB ram
[22:53] <Ash-Foxeus> BRB
[22:53] * KenMan wonders how he ever got his mother on the internet with linux, netscape, and 64MB ...
[22:53] <Ash-Foxeus> KenMan, I got people online with 4MB ram, with X, and the dillo webbrowser :P
[22:54] <toad_> woah
[22:54] <Ash-Foxeus> And no, it wasn't easy
[22:54] <Ash-Foxeus> brb
[22:54] <toad_> does dillo support reasonably modern webstuff?
[22:54] <Ash-Foxeus> yes
[22:54] <toad_> and I thought dillo used 4MB of libraries?
[22:54] <Ash-Foxeus> google for it
[22:55] * toad_ commits 60208
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[22:55] <KenMan> toad, don't you ever get that warmish feeling that 'your hair hurts' if you stay awake too long ?
[22:56] <KenMan> but then, if you don't wake up before noon, it's not a big deal.
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[23:09] <toad_> bbl zzz
[23:17] <Ash-Fox> night toad_
[23:25] <gregh> hm. so my freenet.conf file only has a few lines, apparently runing fred with -config kind of hangs.
[23:25] <gregh> I tried removing freenet.conf and rerunning with -config, same thing
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[23:26] <toad_> gregh: --config - two dashes
[23:27] <gregh> er yeah, typo.
[23:27] <gregh> is it listening for an incoming connection on the listen port, with a longish timeout?
[23:28] <toad_> well it shouldn't hang, it should ask you for input
[23:28] <toad_> on the console
[23:28] <gregh> the last thing it says is "listenPort [7516]"
[23:28] <gregh> oh
[23:28] <toad_> ;)
[23:28] <gregh> *slaps forehead*
[23:35] <gregh> indeed, much better :)
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