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[17:43] * Topic is 'Upgrade to 5091 (5089: mandatory reset, 5090: RNF bug fixed!) | Unstable: Upgrade to 60203 | Experimental unstable test fork terminated | Logs: http://newton.matcmp.ncc.edu/~lockej/freenet/chanlog/ | #freenet-politics and #freenet-chat are available for offtopic discussions'
[17:43] * Set by toad_ on Fri Aug 20 19:43:26 EDT 2004
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[17:44] <jay> toad_: hapi's back
[17:44] <KenMan> i see different colors when i plot it to the screen instead of a png...
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[17:54] <toad_> argh
[17:54] <toad_> i hate java's anti-real-time features
[17:54] <toad_> if you want something to complete in a finite time, don't use java!
[17:54] <toad_> i don't know whether it has anything to do with java, which is even more irritating
[17:54] <cehteh> you talk about the develoment timeframe right? :)
[17:55] <toad_> no
[17:55] <toad_> i talk about millis
[17:55] <cehteh> sure :)
[17:55] <toad_> i need to make sure that queue runs happen reasonably regularly
[17:55] <toad_> ideally twice a second or so
[17:55] <toad_> but if they take up to 5 seconds+... and sometimes call doReschedule, which can take up to 20 seconds...
[17:55] <toad_> this is not feasible
[17:56] <toad_> w.r.t. development timeframe... that's a function of freenet, not of java
[17:57] <cbreak> why do they take that much time? Complex computations?
[17:57] <toad_> i'm not sure
[17:58] <toad_> i dunno, maybe it's the logging...
[17:59] <toad_> but i have heard of bad things happening with queueing from people who use normal logging
[18:00] <cbreak> hmm... mine is logLevel=error
[18:00] <toad_> 10ms * 300 ~= 3 seconds, right?
[18:00] <cbreak> yes.
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[18:07] * toad_ restarts with less logging...
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[18:20] <Iakin> hupp
[18:22] <Iakin> Ok, _Now_ I have committed the file I forgot to commit earlier..
[18:22] <Iakin> the fix for the ConcurrentModificationException
[18:29] <toad_> Iakin: dont bother
[18:29] <toad_> i have a ton of fixes locally
[18:30] <toad_> including that one...
[18:30] <Iakin> Well, it is in CVS now too ;)
[18:30] <Iakin> Great to hear though
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[18:31] <toad_> yeah i'm just irritated at the prospect of the resultant collisions :)
[18:31] <Iakin> Was I too harsh in my comments?
[18:31] <Iakin> ..those on devl
[18:31] * toad_ updates...
[18:32] <toad_> Iakin: i haven't read them yet
[18:32] <Iakin> I avoided fixing those other stuffs though ;)
[18:32] <toad_> i've been too busy debugging
[18:32] <Iakin> I fixed only the CME
[18:32] <toad_> well you can do what you like tomorrow
[18:32] <Iakin> toad, If you use up all of the JVM's mem that can cause your slowdown issues I assime
[18:32] <toad_> after i've committed 60205
[18:33] <toad_> Iakin: what makes you think that?
[18:33] <toad_> I mean what makes you think that we are leaking significantly?
[18:33] <Iakin> My node died due to OOM..
[18:33] <Iakin> within 6 hours after I applied the new code
[18:33] <Iakin> I hasn't done that for months
[18:33] <Iakin> ok, I gtg.. bbl
[18:34] <Iakin> or rather.. back tomorrow
[18:34] <Iakin> cu
[18:35] * toad_ committing...
[18:37] <toad_> bbl
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[19:02] <Tril> trying to run freenet by building stable from cvs and copying needed files to another machine: Caught java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/i2p/util/NativeBigInteger
[19:02] <cbreak> freenet-ext.jar?
[19:02] <Tril> it doesn't appear to be in freenet-ext.jar
[19:03] <Tril> or freenet.jar
[19:05] <Tril> wait, the topic says there's no more unstable?
[19:05] <Tril> should i remove my sticky tag and update to HEAD?
[19:05] <cbreak> no more experimental, unstable is 60203, stable 5091
[19:06] <Tril> ok
[19:08] <cbreak> whats in your freenet-ext.jar/lib/native.properties
[19:08] <Tril> every non-blank line starts with com.onionnetworks.native
[19:09] <cbreak> there are a lot of libjbigi and jbigi in freenet-ext.jar, for big integer support
[19:09] <cbreak> well... I have no clue :)
[19:10] <Tril> no it's just that "make jar" seems not to include the net/i2p dir
[19:10] <Tril> in freenet.jar that it builds
[19:10] <cbreak> net/i2p is in freenet-ext.jar. at least in mine
[19:11] <Tril> for stable?
[19:11] <cbreak> -ext.jar seems to be for both, stable and unstable.
[19:12] <Tril> net/i2p appears to be in freenet-latest.jar
[19:12] <Tril> but not in freenet.jar built from stable cvs.
[19:14] <cbreak> hmm... I have a "net/i2p/util/NativeBigInteger.class" in my (unstable)freenet.jar snapshot
[19:14] <cbreak> so maybe it should be there...
[19:14] <Tril> maybe cvs is screwed up I'll re-check out
[19:15] <cbreak> any reason not to use snapshots?
[19:15] <Tril> Yes, I prefer to build from source so I can read the source of the version I'm running.
[19:15] <cbreak> ahh... paranoid... makes sense :)
[19:18] <Tril> originally it was because I had some local modifications to my node
[19:19] <Tril> I've had the checked-out copy there so long the repository moved and I had to override with -d to update, so maybe that confused it
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[19:39] <Tril> it didn't help..
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[20:23] <Tril> ok, I fixed that by adding "net" on the end of the jar command in the jar: target
[20:23] <Tril> in my local copy
[20:32] <cbreak> funny... 100 freenet.message.DataRequest threads minutes after starting 60205
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[21:58] <Tril> could someone send me a URL to some seednodes other than the ones published at freenetproject.org?
[21:59] <Tril> if you have a working node, just save the references and publish 'em?
[22:11] <KenMan> Load due to messageSendTimeRequest = 215.7%
[22:11] <KenMan> Tril: for stable ?
[22:12] <Tril> KenMan: yes
[22:14] <KenMan> posting to web...
[22:15] <KenMan> very slowly...
[22:17] <KenMan> Tril: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/FreeNet/stable-seednodes.ref
[22:18] <KenMan> damn, qph is rather high, more than twice normal. 4827 for last hour :(
[22:19] <KenMan> somehow queueing seems to encourage (load calculations to produce) higher incoming query rates...
[22:21] <KenMan> percent of backed off routes was sitting better than normal for 5 hours, now it is trashed (99.5%) due to excess incoming queries...
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[22:33] <rgm> i've got this sneaking suspicion that my NAT firewall isn't ACTUALLY forwarding the port.
[22:33] <rgm> is there a clue in the web stats that incoming connections are working?
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[22:40] <rgm> so ah...
[22:40] <rgm> maybe one day
[22:40] <rgm> in the distant distant future
[22:40] <rgm> will freenet be rewarding and fun to browse?
[22:41] <rgm> where you can click on a link, and reasonably expect it to load in under... oh... say.... a minute?
[22:41] <rgm> 20 seconds, dare i ask?
[22:52] <KenMan> in all likeliehood, yes. But there will always be that popularity factor you have to work against...
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