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[0:13] <Ryan_Singer> freenet is barely working for me
[0:13] <Ryan_Singer> I just sojourned for about six months, so I got back, updated my snapshot, got the default seed, and things are still not loading
[0:14] <Ryan_Singer> mosts requests don't leave my node
[0:14] <Ryan_Singer> any advice on how to start reliably browsing freenet again?
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[0:17] <Addos> the seed file is so damn huge
[0:18] <Addos> Caught java.lang.OutOfMemoryError running or seeding node
[0:18] <Addos> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
[0:18] <Addos> Caught, in Main:
[0:18] <Addos> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
[0:18] <Addos> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
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[1:36] <Addos> any solution to the out of memory errors?
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[4:53] <DiabloD3> hey all.
[4:59] <DiabloD3> I cant remember if I asked this before...
[4:59] <DiabloD3> but does freenet support ipv6?
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[5:55] <ShaunMacPherson> im pretty sure freenet does support ipv6
[5:55] <DiabloD3> heh.
[5:55] <ShaunMacPherson> hi :)
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[5:56] <ShaunMacPherson> bbiab
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[11:28] <Jarod> hi
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[11:32] <Jarod> why does freenet attempt to connect to 152.163.0.0?
[11:33] <iip_i2p> <oOo> It calls back AOL ;)
[11:33] <Jarod> what do you mean?
[11:34] <Jarod> will 152.163.0.0 connect me to the rest of freenet?
[11:36] <Jarod> first, how do I instruct freenode to connect to another freenode?
[11:36] <Jarod> besides seednodes.ref
[11:36] <Jarod> since that is so complicated
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[11:39] <Jarod> ?
[11:40] <hirvox> seednodes.ref iss
[11:40] <hirvox> is complicated?
[11:40] <Jarod> yes, look inside of it
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[11:40] <Jarod> second, I get an out of memory error when trying to read the 28.8mb seednodes.ref on the website
[11:40] <Jarod> why isn't seednodes.ref just a list of ip addresses?
[11:41] <hirvox> it used to be, and it can be
[11:41] <Jarod> hmm
[11:41] <hirvox> the estimator data isn't strictly necessary
[11:41] <Jarod> ok and what is 152.163.0.0 ip address?
[11:41] <Jarod> why does freenet attempt to connect to it?
[11:41] <hirvox> dunno, my node doesn't
[11:42] <Jarod> I export my seeds and 152.163.0.0 is the only one
[11:42] <Jarod> even though, my node has been given no seeds
[11:42] <hirvox> my guess is that there's a bad node reference in the seednodes
[11:42] <Jarod> I don't have any seednodes
[11:42] <Jarod> that is the thing right now
[11:42] <iip_i2p> <oOo> Give more memory to Freenet so it doesn't OOM at startup
[11:42] <Jarod> I was going to create my own seednodes.ref, but I was curious to see if freenode had a seed node hardcoded
[11:43] <Jarod> how do I do that? heap, or stack?
[11:43] <Jarod> heap size?
[11:43] <Jarod> apparently 152.163.0.0 is hardcoded, but it doesn't appear to automatically connect me to the rest of freenet
[11:44] <hirvox> no, it's not
[11:44] <Jarod> let me reset it
[11:44] <Jarod> pretty sure it is, because I sure didn't seed it
[11:44] <hirvox> 152.163.0.0 is aol's netblock, and Freenet shouldn't contact it
[11:45] <Jarod> well that ip is listed as a seed for my node
[11:45] <hirvox> you did, but the seednodes file is probably corrupted
[11:45] <Jarod> no
[11:45] <Jarod> I don't have a seednodes files
[11:45] <Jarod> err, file
[11:45] <Jarod> I am running purely from the two jar files only
[11:45] <Jarod> resetting it now
[11:45] <Jarod> I'll export and show you what it says
[11:46] <Jarod> ' loaded from resource
[11:46] <Jarod> physical.tcp=152.163.0.0:63737
[11:46] <Jarod> ARK.encryption=278520dd0e7c0c31ddf7ea27389c9761f5a5605db6da36192f3a04b584ec03e7
[11:46] <Jarod> ARK.revision=0
[11:46] <Jarod> signature=27f169246b0a95b8ebe82adadd0e839f6c902d68,a7153766a54152226574b09ea5557
[11:46] <Jarod> 428e01e48d5
[11:46] <Jarod> presentations=3
[11:46] <Jarod> sessions=1
[11:46] <Jarod> identity.y=8c3f4770c0841e0d44135f7e0db03946d4d29c0a9c9ec302d66e944c6d6941e920e1f
[11:46] <Jarod> bf69f158b1582bee94937afc4be0821680d5d2d0a4ab3b85e0b946d2ec6cf96f3dd01926403631af
[11:46] <Jarod> 2ce1a8e526f5c9938f9e7ee0c55abec1a7386296046ed1cb32e5e43c11b5a78dc0c0b1fa604b2bd8
[11:46] <Jarod> 99d86b8030cc0188aa35f3c9bca
[11:46] <Jarod> identity.p=cb0a782c7abff4920000000000000000000000000000000000000000023d662854a10
[11:46] <Jarod> e52de49da383d9ee21d7a337213d24ed096f95a5d37b8537bbaa58a2a6b26bd328f6a32cec77180f
[11:47] <Jarod> 78d5be43d80e813e4018d09da38bd58fd615c01fbab492ec203c69e3da9fd682ce8aa98f15ad8057
[11:47] <Jarod> 970edb44fe1ed08e0462e5b8d97
[11:47] <Jarod> identity.g=930168de21e7fb66c0375e08e964255a0f7f0ad54507a51864afdc686f36be8bb8b78
[11:47] <Jarod> 65408116060c5f34f94b5146cbef9e4adb70324fba01d34c1c60817cbadf6854d654176cb391de0d
[11:47] <Jarod> 41e0f0fbbc8ceea5546c09a676b0d9a9988c7a1ce36ce31596037a18b4d540374bdf2ad071a3f8dd
[11:47] <Jarod> 1015a9d8ba0f0d51cde212db6da
[11:47] <Jarod> identity.q=ef1f7a7a73362e526515f348075aee265e9eff45
[11:47] <Jarod> version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5091
[11:47] <Jarod> End
[11:47] <Jarod> this somehow isin my freenet node, and I have no seeds
[11:47] <hirvox> have you run a node before?
[11:47] <Jarod> no
[11:47] <Jarod> not since 0.1
[11:48] <Jarod> so why is freenet saying that is a seed, when it shouldn't be?
[11:48] <Jarod> is there a seednodes.ref included within the jar?
[11:48] <hirvox> I regularly run a seedless node for testing purposes, and I've never got that reference
[11:48] <iip_i2p> <oOo> It doesn't happen to be your node, BTW ?
[11:49] <hirvox> no, there isn't a seednodes.ref inside the jars, and even if there were, the node wouldn't read it
[11:49] <hirvox> it is not hardcoded
[11:49] <hirvox> do you get your public IP address via dhcp?
[11:49] <Jarod> I just downloaded the two jars from the website
[11:49] <Jarod> yes
[11:50] <hirvox> then it's entirely possible that someone else ran a node using the same port and the same ip, and when that IP expired, it got assigned to you
[11:50] <Jarod> no, because when I reset, I get a new port
[11:50] <Jarod> and that ip still appears as a seed
[11:50] <Zorix> download the seednodes from the website then
[11:51] <Jarod> well, the thing is, why is 152.163.0.0 listed at all?
[11:51] <Zorix> no idea
[11:51] <hirvox> you mean that even if you delete all the routing table files, change the port and start the node that reference shows up?
[11:51] <Jarod> yes
[11:51] <Jarod> I downloaded the two jar files
[11:51] <Jarod> ran java -cp freenet.jar freenet.node.Main --config
[11:52] <Jarod> did the whole config stuff
[11:52] <Jarod> java -cp freenet.jar freenet.node.Main -x
[11:52] <Jarod> and it shows me 152.163.0.0 as a seed, even though seednodes.ref doesn't exist
[11:53] <Jarod> so, if it isn't hardcoded, then where exactly is it getting that address from?
[11:53] <Zorix> the nsa
[11:53] <Jarod> ha, I hope not
[11:53] <iip_i2p> <oOo> It's the new backdoor ;))) J/K
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[11:54] <Jarod> now as for seednodes.ref, I can just enter ips:ports and press enter after each one, and it will know to connect to those ips?
[11:54] <Jarod> another thing, if I have seednodes.ref commented out in freenet.conf, it still tries reading from the file
[11:56] <hirvox> because if it's commented out, it uses the default
[11:56] <Jarod> ahh
[11:56] <Jarod> I didn't realize it would use one at all if it were commented out
[11:57] <hirvox> ah, now I know what is happening
[11:57] <hirvox> I forgot that --export and -x are the same thing
[11:57] <hirvox> that reference is the reference to _your_ node
[11:57] <Jarod> but that isn't my ip
[11:57] <Jarod> heh
[11:57] <Zorix> bug
[11:58] <hirvox> it tries to detect your IP and obviously it fails
[11:58] <Jarod> yeah, I am behind nat
[11:58] <Jarod> and I am a transient node
[11:58] <iip_i2p> <oOo> This is most likely a 16 bits number turn into an IP
[11:59] <Jarod> ok, so seednodes.ref, can I just list ips:ports one after the other in the file, and have it read them in fine?
[11:59] <hirvox> no, you'll need the public keys as well
[11:59] <Jarod> will they need my public key also?
[12:00] <hirvox> no, your node will give it to them after successfully connecting
[12:01] <Jarod> so let's say, I try to create a freenet network on the lan, is the best thing to do to export on one node and use that export as seednodes.ref on the other node?
[12:01] <hirvox> yes
[12:01] <hirvox> that's what I do
[12:01] <Jarod> is freenet much faster over lan?
[12:02] <hirvox> yes, but it's usefulness is rather limited
[12:02] <Jarod> yeah, I guess it depends on how many nodes it consists of
[12:03] <hirvox> yes
[12:03] <Jarod> now would that ip listed be the result of not having LocalIsOkay, enabled?
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[12:04] <hirvox> localIsOkay defaults to false
[12:04] <hirvox> I use a 192.168.0.0 network at my lan, and the node correctly detects that as a local network
[12:05] <Jarod> yeah, oddly enough, this machine connects to the net behind nat
[12:05] <Jarod> so I am not sure where it is getting 152.163.0.0 from
[12:05] <Ash-Fox> Warning for SP2 users: Each program is only allowed to make 10 connections, freenet will have problems with this
[12:06] <Ash-Fox> XP SP2
[12:06] <Jarod> no it doesn't
[12:06] <Jarod> the connection limit is the same
[12:06] <Jarod> it is the connections/second that are limited
[12:06] <hirvox> Ash-Fox:that only applies to half-open connections
[12:06] <hirvox> each process can only have 10 half-open connections, any more connection attempts get queued
[12:07] <hirvox> it will slow down the initial connecting spree, but that's all
[12:07] <Jarod> so hirvox, do I need to adjust the heap size to handle the large seednodes.ref?
[12:08] <hirvox> yes
[12:08] <Ash-Fox> TCP data cannot be sent over raw sockets is another one annoying me
[12:08] <hirvox> alternatively you can cut seednodes.ref down to size
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[12:08] <Jarod> sure they can, but you need administrator, at least I believe
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[12:08] <Jarod> raw sockets in non administrator accounts aren't necessary in the first place
[12:09] <Ash-Fox> Jarod, I am on a administrator account, I don't want to be THE administrator accound
[12:09] <Jarod> chances are there are policies that can permit certain accounts to overcome their account limitations
[12:09] <Jarod> just like on unix
[12:09] <Jarod> it was stupid to give raw sockets to non admin accounts in the first place
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[12:10] <Jarod> hmm, what is a good size for seednodes.ref?
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[12:26] <Ash-Fox> Jarod, i can't create raw sockets on a administrative account
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[14:13] <iip_i2p> <east098> Why i always have number of contacted nodes the same as backed off ????
[14:14] <Zorix> because of rate limiting
[14:14] <iip_i2p> <east098> rate of what??
[14:14] <Zorix> rate of contacting other nodes i believe
[14:15] <iip_i2p> <east098> and what i can to do with it?
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[14:17] <iip_i2p> <east098> and what i can to do with it?
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[14:22] <iip_i2p> <east098> who can tell me something about "rate of contacting other nodes"
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[14:36] <Zorix> hah
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[14:36] <Zorix> dude just keep trying to get what you are lookin for
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[16:26] <greycat> "how many licks *does* it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?"?
[16:26] <oierw> this queueing thing. it is that we sit on a query until we see that the computer that is most able to handle it is available again?
[16:26] <oierw> or something else?
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[17:27] <Addos> how much out of seednodes.ref is necessary to connect?
[17:28] <|UK-Monster|> got problem?
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[17:28] <Addos> ?
[17:30] <Addos> ?
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[17:45] <Addos> ?
[17:45] <leex> lol
[17:46] <leex> bit to big for ya
[17:46] <Addos> what, seednodes.ref on the website?
[17:46] <Addos> yes 28.8mb
[17:46] <Addos> what is the minimum I need?
[17:46] <leex> best asking Tode
[17:47] <leex> toad_ when he comes back
[17:47] <Addos> I mean, there is a ton of shit in there for an individual ip
[17:48] <leex> yep
[17:48] <leex> get the Gz one
[17:48] <leex> its only 2mb
[17:49] <Addos> where is that at?
[17:49] <Addos> snapshots?
[17:49] <leex> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/?M=D
[17:50] <Addos> unstable.ref?
[17:50] <leex> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.bz2
[17:50] <leex> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/unstable.ref.bz2
[17:50] <leex> dono how to unpack them
[17:50] <leex> as i have 1.5mb internet
[17:50] <Addos> bzip2
[17:51] <leex> so tis an 5 min download
[17:51] <leex> or less
[17:51] <Addos> I mean
[17:51] <Addos> should I get unstable.ref?
[17:51] <Addos> does it work with 5191?
[17:51] <leex> no it will not
[17:51] <leex> thats why its called unstable
[17:52] <Addos> someone needs to make a small seednodes.ref available
[17:57] <leex> it whould be nice
[17:57] <leex> or even better give out the bzip'ed one
[17:58] <leex> as its only 1.7mb
[17:58] <leex> or even more better code the freenet to read the bzip insted of useing the uncompressed one
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[18:20] <Addos> heh, I just changed my heap size so it loads the 24.8 mb one fine
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[18:35] <Addos> is it good to use freenet as it builds its routing tables, or would it be better just to leave it running overnight, and mess with it tomorrow when it is more familiar with the network topology?
[18:38] <leex> you can try
[18:38] <Addos> well, which is better?
[18:38] <Addos> would it be better just to wait till it is more established?
[18:39] <leex> but givieing it an day can be better
[18:39] <Addos> hmm, ok, well if I wait a day, will it make a significant difference in how fast pages are retrieved?
[18:39] <Addos> and how many pages succeed in loading?
[18:40] <leex> if it knows the network better cida yes
[18:40] <leex> but allso no
[18:40] <leex> heh
[18:40] <leex> freenet has its good times and bad times
[18:40] <Addos> hmm
[18:40] <leex> last time i used stable it was working well
[18:41] <Addos> but you are saying, there is no way to guarantee the performance will ever be good?
[18:41] <leex> err
[18:41] <Addos> so, one day, it might zip along, and other days it might be shit slow?
[18:41] <leex> no
[18:42] <leex> yes
[18:42] <leex> fs
[18:42] <Addos> some days I may retrieve content, other days, stuff may not work at all?
[18:42] <leex> yep
[18:42] <Addos> wow, how fickle is that
[18:42] <leex> in most cases it works fine
[18:42] <leex> just some times it does not
[18:43] <Addos> I am much more interested in seeing how it performs optimized
[18:43] <Addos> because right now, this is more like frustration
[18:43] <leex> i start my stable up now
[18:43] <Addos> The network is busy, please try again later.
[18:43] <Addos> Retrying...
[18:43] <Addos> heh
[18:43] <leex> if its an frash node it take some time
[18:44] <Addos> yeah, to build the routing tables, I guess
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[18:49] <leex> do need to make sure tat the port is open for freenet
[18:50] <Addos> I am running a transient node
[18:50] <Addos> so it doesn't matter if the port is open
[18:50] <leex> you ip chage
[18:50] <leex> change
[18:50] <Addos> no
[18:51] <leex> if the freenet port is not open i don't think it works well
[18:51] <Addos> it seems to be working
[18:51] <Addos> just so far, my routing tables aren't adequate enough to reach most content
[18:52] <Addos> I'm going to have to assume it will only improve by letting freenet adjust its tables
[18:52] <Addos> so it can better find content
[18:53] <Addos> because right now, getting a lot of couldn't retrieve key errors
[18:53] <leex> does the web interface work
[18:53] <leex> hehe i getting backed off nodes at the mo
[18:54] <Addos> yes
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[20:08] <twistx> anyone know why i keep getting Error: Route Not Found
[20:09] <twistx> it says i can't get off my own node
[20:09] <twistx> i'm using 5091
[20:09] <twistx> i set my system up with the proper ports and whatnot
[20:11] <leex> me node is useing some cpu power heh
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[23:29] <twistx> yo anyone know wtf this "Error: Route Not Found" is
[23:30] <Zorix-> means it couldnt find a route to the data
[23:30] <Addos> I guess, because freenet doesn't know how to reach the data
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[23:30] <twistx> well thats what freenet tells me
[23:30] <Addos> Couldn't connect to the network. Are you sure you have configured Freenet correctly? Also make sure that you are connected to the internet.
[23:30] <Zorix> it frequently occurs because of rate limiting
[23:30] <Zorix> just keep hitting retry
[23:30] <twistx> i've gone over the settings dozens of times
[23:30] <Zorix> keep hitting retry
[23:31] <twistx> says 68 nodes backed off
[23:31] <Zorix> yea eventually it wont back off all of them
[23:31] <twistx> and every so often i get 1 rejected
[23:31] <Zorix> just keep retrying
[23:31] <twistx> why's it do that shit?
[23:31] <Zorix> because its still not perfect code
[23:32] <Addos> neither entropy nor Freenet are perfect
[23:32] <twistx> well i dont expect it to be perfect
[23:32] <twistx> but i never used to have this problem :)
[23:32] <Zorix> maybe toad can help
[23:32] <Zorix> well rate limiting caused it
[23:32] <Addos> it's wierd, sides that used to work for me are no longer working anymore
[23:32] <Addos> sites
[23:32] <twistx> well the only rate limiting i have is for upload
[23:32] <Zorix> tryign to reduce traffic between nodes
[23:33] <Zorix> different thing
[23:33] <twistx> i couldn't figure out if it was my network causing the problem or if it was freenet
[23:33] <Zorix> someone more experienced with the inner workings may be able to help you
[23:33] <Zorix> nah its freenet
[23:33] <Zorix> i have the same issue
[23:33] <Zorix> i just keep hitting retry and it comes eventually
[23:34] <twistx> note count is going up, nothing new so far though
[23:34] <twistx> node*
[23:34] <Zorix> yea
[23:34] <Zorix> i gotta go.. good luck with that
[23:34] <Zorix> bbl afk
[23:34] <twistx> i've had freenet on all day, and its been transfering all kinds of stuff
[23:34] <twistx> thx
[23:34] <Addos> this agrevates me
[23:35] <Addos> stuff that used to work, now isn't working
[23:35] <Addos> wtf
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[23:35] <FKruger> hello everyone
[23:35] <twistx> whats this entropy thing you were talking about
[23:36] <Addos> an alternative to freenet
[23:36] <twistx> hrm... never even heard of it
[23:36] <Addos> http://entropy.stop1984.com/en/home.html
[23:36] <FKruger> can anyone help me with free net, I look like I am connected but I can get nothing
[23:37] <twistx> FKruger i think we're all getting the same problem
[23:37] <Addos> I get some stuff
[23:37] <Addos> but it is very fickle
[23:37] <Addos> sometimes stuff works, and other times, it doesn't work at all
[23:37] <FKruger> the an't connect to the network page?
[23:37] <Addos> Couldn't connect to the network. Are you sure you have configured Freenet correctly? Also make sure that you are connected to the internet.
[23:38] <FKruger> i am talking on irc
[23:38] <Addos> well, exactly
[23:38] <Addos> we know the internet is working for most of us
[23:38] <Addos> we know we are connected
[23:38] <Addos> so something is b0rked in freenet
[23:38] <FKruger> I have had problems with dl the seed ref and it was 2 days trying to connect
[23:39] <Addos> hmm, I have the seed ref
[23:39] <twistx> yeah the seednode.ref download app seems like it locks up
[23:39] <FKruger> I reinstalled freenet and it dl the seed ref
[23:39] <twistx> weird, i hit download and my transfer was going at like 170KB/s for 10 min until i stopped it
[23:40] <Addos> hehehe
[23:42] <Addos> Data not found (Freenet could not find the data)
[23:42] <Addos> This site updates every day, you could try yesterday's edition.
[23:42] <Addos> wtf
[23:42] <FKruger> it was running good , about 20 mb a day, year ago, then it stoped, i upgraded and still I was a lonly node
[23:43] <Addos> what causes this damn error?
[23:43] <Addos> Couldn't connect to the network. Are you sure you have configured Freenet correctly? Also make sure that you are connected to the internet.
[23:44] <twistx> same thing thats causing my error
[23:45] <FKruger> now I am getting half my pages and the other half getting the can't connect to network
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[23:45] <Addos> strange
[23:46] <FKruger> I think freenet is getting too big, now getting network is too busy
[23:46] <Addos> Current probability of a request succeeding by routing 0.1%
[23:47] <Addos> why the hell is this so low?
[23:47] <Addos> wtf
[23:47] <Addos> are these sites broken within freenet?
[23:47] <Addos> it is really hard to know wtf is broken, the sites, freenet itself, or some configuration locally
[23:48] <FKruger> bet there is too much traffic flowing through freenet
[23:48] <Addos> I thought it was supposed to be able to handle that
[23:49] <FKruger> getting no network, busy network, once in a while actual data
[23:49] <Addos> yeah, same here
[23:49] <Addos> I am connected to 11 nodes, also
[23:49] <Addos> 13 nodes
[23:49] <FKruger> where you find that info?
[23:50] <Addos> http://127.0.0.1:8888/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm
[23:51] <Addos> hmm
[23:51] <Addos> The publicly available seed nodes have been very busy lately. If possible try to get a friend to give you a reference to their node instead.
[23:52] <Addos> even with a 28mb seednode.ref file, and some of the routing that freenet is supposed to have, and my node still can't find a single node that isn't busy?
[23:52] <FKruger> doen't freenet update the seednode automatically
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[23:53] <Addos> it supposedly uses the seeds to reach other nodes
[23:53] <Addos> I don't think it seeds those nodes directly though
[23:53] <Addos> perhaps it should randomly choose a few to seed, so the seednodes themselves aren't hammered
[23:54] <FKruger> I think I have 22 connections
[23:54] <Addos> if freenet only directly connects to seeds in seednodes.ref, no wonder it is so slow
[23:55] <FKruger> well I think to try that entropy after checking it out a bit
[23:55] <Addos> it needs a way to directly connect randomly to a few indirect hosts, so the seeds in seednodes.ref aren't hammered
[23:55] <FKruger> no new seed nodes until they send out a new batch so everyone have to start from the top
[23:56] <Addos> otherwise, the only direct connections anyone will ever have into the network, will be so damn slow, no one will ever get connected
[23:56] <Addos> supposedly, hosts can announce over the network
[23:56] <Addos> but perhaps they aren't announcing enough
[23:56] <Addos> I am curious how many of the outgoing connections I've made are directly from seednodes.ref
[23:57] <Addos> probably all 13 of them are
[23:57] <FKruger> they need a few reliable seed nodes that send their seed node to the connecter and go from there, have 3 levels starters, long time workers, and new seeds
[23:58] <Addos> a certain number of outgoing connections needs to be ones not listed in seednodes.ref, so that connections into freenet aren't dependent on how heavy the traffic is to the ones provided in the sample file
[23:58] <FKruger> right
[23:59] <Addos> because, I have a sneaking suspicion that freenet's pitiful performance at the moment is due to my node connection to overloaded nodes
[23:59] <FKruger> ever get little freezes on your puter
[23:59] <Addos> nope
[23:59] <FKruger> guess my power supply is getting falty
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