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[0:00] <jabawok_w> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 9 (8/1/200)
[0:02] <ShaunMacPherson> thetower is back
[0:02] <ShaunMacPherson> but is on i2p
[0:05] <jabawok_w> posted a test message to the freenet board on frost (using 5089) in case anyone wants to test..
[0:06] <ShaunMacPherson> kool
[0:36] <KenMan> oh crap, there is a terrorist attack that has underway for over a year !!
[0:36] <KenMan> $43 / barrel of oil ?? Now THAT'S terrorism !!
[0:37] <salahx> yipe
[0:37] <KenMan> up to 11 nodes here :)
[0:37] <mikeDOTd> anyone else skeptical about 5089 solving world hunger and curing cancer?
[0:37] <salahx> 9 here
[0:38] <KenMan> it is too soon to forecast how many troubles this release will alleviate ;)
[0:39] <salahx> givne the premilinaries probably nto much but at the very least it'll elt toad see where the problem are
[0:39] * KenMan crosses his fingers.
[0:39] <mikeDOTd> i'm starting to feel like mike stump
[0:40] <KenMan> It is entirely possible the bad-spell 5085-5087 caused the problems, and we might just get out of this okay...
[0:40] <KenMan> what is mike saying now ?!
[0:40] <mikeDOTd> i find it hard to believe that a minority of nodes could cause 5088 to suck
[0:41] <mikeDOTd> i just mean what mike says in general
[0:41] <KenMan> well, that minority was carrying a major blast. 5087 hooked up to 5084 was a nuclear query-generator
[0:41] <KenMan> i don't remember what was wrong with 5085 and 5086, but they sucked too.
[0:41] <mikeDOTd> which is that the development of freenet lacks true focus, and often relies on hope and prayer practices for improvement
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[0:42] <KenMan> well, what do they always say ? "apply liberally" - yeah, thatis it.
[0:42] <salahx> a lot of goat sacrifice
[0:43] <KenMan> a cause worth bleeding for always requires some blood letting.
[0:43] <mikeDOTd> hey, i'm all for that
[0:44] <KenMan> what freenet lacks the most is more coders, and a general team-approach
[0:44] <mikeDOTd> but why didn't all these post 5084 problems show up in unstable?
[0:44] <KenMan> different traffic patterns, or else someone is actually causing it on purpose.
[0:44] <salahx> because people on usntable upgrade every day :liek they are supposed to :)
[0:45] <mikeDOTd> my routing table has 60 5084 nodes, a hand full of 5085-5087 nodes, and 160 5088 nodes
[0:45] <mikeDOTd> which isn't bad for a week full of stable updates
[0:46] <KenMan> no, something went in that wasn't supposed to. And I puked when I saw how toad wrote special code for 5087<->5084 compatibility. That should have been a hint to reset at that point.
[0:46] <KenMan> i mean, he was trying to avoid a reset, but it backfired :(
[0:46] <mikeDOTd> i'm glad the truth is getting out
[0:47] <KenMan> anyway, we are where we are. Only time will tell whether toad pulls it all together.
[0:47] <mikeDOTd> true enough
[0:48] <mikeDOTd> why did toad request that people notify him if they were going to run 5089?
[0:49] <KenMan> it helps to have some users to generate "real research" traffic, but if the project suddenly gets it right (and the odds are ??) then we will have users galore.
[0:49] <KenMan> i think he wants to keep the seednodes lists clean
[0:49] <mikeDOTd> ah, so he's manually adding them?
[0:49] <KenMan> well, i don't think so, more that he is keeping the other lists clean. I guess. <shrug>
[0:50] <KenMan> maybe he will email everyone a gold star :)
[0:50] <mikeDOTd> does 5089 set lastGoodBuild to 5089?
[0:50] <salahx> Yep
[0:50] <KenMan> i believe so. It doesn't matter. The protocol is upped, which is more effective (that causes the reset).
[0:50] <mikeDOTd> so i could run that build on the same port w/o too much trouble
[0:50] <mikeDOTd> ah
[0:51] <KenMan> yes, if you don't change your listen port, only new nodes will be able to communicate
[0:51] <mikeDOTd> cool
[0:51] <KenMan> so you should be safe
[0:52] <KenMan> but it is still better to change your number
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[0:54] <KenMan> beautiful, I successfully served 316 keys in an hour's time. That's like 5 times normal. Of course, it is all artificially driven, but so what ? it feels good.
[0:54] <mikeDOTd> lol
[0:56] <KenMan> received 4590 queries for last hour. That's okay, because I'm serving out 4K sized keys... it will probably be several days before we firgure out if query levels are still surging.
[0:57] <KenMan> 4590 would normally be quite high for me, but , i suppose the adaptive code is taking key size into consideration. I sure hope that's the explanation.
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[1:08] <salahx> I'm sitl runing that script form earleir KenMan
[1:08] <KenMan> neat. hopefully it will train the network, or do *something* useful...
[1:09] <KenMan> i've never had such great success on stable before ;)
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[1:10] <KenMan> max pSuccess 17% average is about 10%
[1:11] <KenMan> i'm glad I have something to offer , heh
[1:12] <salahx> this script tkae a LONG time to execute though
[1:13] <salahx> 00:33:49 up 20 days, 22:45, 3 users, load average: 0.10, 0.13, 0.18 - I love NPTL :)
[1:15] <salahx> From Frost:
[1:15] <salahx> hi.. you won't see this message unless you are on 5089 or higher.. (unless someone goes to 5089, retrieves, and then downgrades to 5088 or something)
[1:15] <salahx> So, this is probably the first message posted on the reset stablenet
[1:15] <KenMan> it is a shame NPTL is such 'experimental' code though. I mean, gentoo has it now, but when will redhat call it 'stable' ??
[1:16] <KenMan> when it becomes financially beneficial to do so ?? like that would ever happen.
[1:16] <KenMan> and, more to the point, when will the linux community, the same community that encouraged adding in the necessary kernel support, call it 'stable' ?
[1:17] <salahx> when rpm doesn't suck :)
[1:17] <salahx> 2.6.x isn't even really "Stable"
[1:17] <KenMan> good point
[1:17] <salahx> there STILL tinkering with it, adding new features, etc...
[1:17] <KenMan> add not a significant amount of uptake... well, fedora probably is significant, and gentoo...
[1:18] <KenMan> but percentage-wise, most people that caught the linux-train boarded at the 2.4 station...
[1:18] <salahx> there are some progrmas otu there that cannot compile against the 2.6 headers yet
[1:19] <KenMan> and some that never ever will, to be sure !
[1:20] <KenMan> night salahx , time for me to get some rest
[1:20] <salahx> Sambai so ne of them unfoeruntl;y
[1:20] <salahx> ok see ya !
[1:20] <KenMan> samba said no 2.6 ??? i'm running it here!
[1:21] <KenMan> but then, i compiled it against 2.4 headers...
[1:21] <salahx> yep
[1:21] <KenMan> n/m
[1:25] <salahx> the sscript finished
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[1:33] <mikeDOTd> rate limiting in 5089 is still busted, i'm exceeding 100%
[1:35] <mikeDOTd> 130% output bandwidth? geez...
[1:35] <kork> Current upstream bandwidth usage 11 bytes/second (0.2%)
[1:35] <kork> heh
[1:45] <salahx> damn I though Comcast bad bad caps :)
[1:46] <kork> hmm
[1:46] <kork> starting frost kicked my 5089 node's ass ;)
[1:46] <kork> it now has 3 connections
[1:47] <kork> 4
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[1:55] <jabawok_w> salahx - i see u saw my test message in frost..
[1:55] <salahx> yep
[1:55] <jabawok_w> nice
[1:56] <jabawok_w> KenMan's script still running on mine (on its 1st pass)
[1:56] <kork> hi.. you won't see this message unless you are on 5089 or higher.. (unless someone goes to 5089, retrieves, and then downgrades to 5088 or something)
[1:56] <kork> hehe
[1:57] <jabawok_w> KenMan - why would i be getting DNF at all with only 10 or so nodes? i know htl=5 in your script but surely with such a small network it should always find these keys
[1:57] <jabawok_w> kork. good - frost working fine with 5089 then..
[1:58] <kork> indeed it is
[2:01] <salahx> Aug 4, 2004 1:21:56 AM (freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop, Network writing thread, NORMAL): fixKeys added sun.nio.ch.SelectionKeyImpl@713270
[2:02] <salahx> I sitll ahve slews of these in my logs though
[2:02] <jabawok_w> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 13 (11/2/200)
[2:02] <jabawok_w> Uptime: 0 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes
[2:30] <jabawok_w> hmm
[2:30] <jabawok_w> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 193 (0/193)
[2:30] <jabawok_w> what the?
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[2:52] <ganjaa> hi everybody
[2:55] <ShaunMacPherson> hi
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[3:37] <vsalento> I have only 1 connection in newstable... how long did it took for you rest to get more of those?
[3:41] <ShaunMacPherson> not sure
[3:41] <ShaunMacPherson> i havent run it in a while, anyone know? :)
[3:43] <vsalento> wow... another one :)
[3:47] <kork> vsalento: about half an hour
[3:48] <Janete> after an hour I have 14 connectiosn
[3:48] <kork> it really started after i launched frost
[3:48] <kork> i have 17 connections now
[3:52] <jabawok_w> i think thats about how many nodes there are sofar on newstable
[3:52] <kork> that'd be my guess, too
[3:53] <Janete> and my 14 are backing me off...
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[4:00] <jabawok_w> I'm a bit worried by: Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 258 (0/258)
[4:01] <kork> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving)3 (1/2)
[4:01] <kork> heh
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[4:04] * jabawok_w 's node causing a freenet ddos ??
[4:04] <jabawok_w> hope not
[4:04] <matahari> the FNP seems to be always changing. does anyone know if/when they are planning to freeze it?
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[4:15] <michaelkuijn> My node is so lonely on the stable network
[4:15] <michaelkuijn> hapi, is that you?
[4:16] <michaelkuijn> Is it just me or is the stable network barely functioning...?
[4:16] <ShaunMacPherson> hi
[4:17] <ShaunMacPherson> someone else had your same problem
[4:17] <vsalento> I don't think FNP will be freezed before 1.0 release (for a long time)
[4:17] <michaelkuijn> Mmmmm
[4:18] <michaelkuijn> By the way, can I safely replace the stable jar with the unstable one and back?
[4:18] <vsalento> there are some :) problems in the stable network at the moment... be patient and things will get better
[4:18] <ShaunMacPherson> i think so
[4:18] <ShaunMacPherson> you have to replace seednodes.ref though
[4:19] <Janete> michaelkuijn: replace the seednodes too
[4:19] <michaelkuijn> My ebuild script does that
[4:19] <ShaunMacPherson> :o
[4:19] <michaelkuijn> Somehow, with stable I only have contact with two nodes, but with unstable there are 15+
[4:19] <ShaunMacPherson> :)
[4:19] <Janete> if you don't change seednodes you won't find any peers
[4:19] <michaelkuijn> I have peers (2), but they keep backing off
[4:20] <michaelkuijn> With unstable this doesn't happen
[4:21] <michaelkuijn> Oh, and when I run unstable it brings my comp down to its knees...
[4:22] <Janete> has someone inserted some new content in 5089?
[4:22] <michaelkuijn> Is there a 5089?
[4:22] <michaelkuijn> What should I do? Keep stable or go unstable? What is best for me? What is best for the network?
[4:22] <Janete> 5089 is a experimental, stable reset now under testing
[4:23] <michaelkuijn> I see
[4:23] <Janete> I'd say the best for you is stable 5088
[4:23] <Janete> for the network I can't say if unstable or 5089 :/
[4:23] <jabawok_w> till tomorow at least
[4:23] <Janete> usually unstable I suppose
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[4:24] <michaelkuijn> I guess I can shutdown my node until then, nobody is using it anyway
[4:24] <michaelkuijn> 0 % all the time! With unstable I had peaks of 130%...
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[4:35] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> one can reset it untill the dawn of an AI, it still will be crap
[4:35] <iip_i2p> <mazzanet> *slaps Newsbyte around a bit with a large trout*
[4:35] <mazzanet> :D
[4:36] <michaelkuijn> Heh
[4:36] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> nativethingy and smallchunks on 5084 build and make that 0.6, I say
[4:37] * mazzanet slaps a large trout around a bit with a Newbyte
[4:38] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> Me defends himself with a long stick with a needle, prodding maza's eyes
[4:39] <iip_i2p> <mazzanet> *tickles Newsbyte with a rusty skewer*
[4:39] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> Why isn't there more sanity around here?
[4:39] <mazzanet> hehe i'm everywhere
[4:40] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> I think I'll make a spicey post on the maillist
[4:41] <iip_i2p> <mazzanet> *searches for the delete button for the maillist*
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[4:56] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> trying 5089 out...anyone like to guess how I would describe the working? ;-)
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[5:40] <michaelkuijn> How good does it work anyway?
[5:43] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> You mean how bad?
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[5:49] <verl> hey, 5059 seems to be okay, just started browsing a little and haven't run in to any rnf/backoffhell yet
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[6:12] <michaelkuijn> verl, amazing. I haven't got anything but rnf/backofhell
[6:12] <michaelkuijn> That is, with 5088
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[6:18] <toad_> <KenMan> $43 / barrel of oil ?? Now THAT'S terrorism !! - come on, adjusted for inflation in the last big oil crisis it went up to $100/barrel
[6:18] <toad_> (and it will again!! ;) )
[6:18] <michaelkuijn> Where do I get 5089 anyway?
[6:18] <toad_> michaelkuijn: there's a site...
[6:18] <michaelkuijn> I know
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[6:18] <michaelkuijn> But I'm not sure -latest is 5089
[6:19] <toad_> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/5089/freenet.jar
[6:19] <toad_> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/5089/seednodes.ref
[6:19] <michaelkuijn> Thx
[6:19] <toad_> you'll only have 1 node initially but it should learn about the others with time
[6:22] * mazzanet wonders why 5098 wouldn't be in snapshots
[6:25] <michaelkuijn> By the way, do unstable/stable use separate networks?
[6:26] <mazzanet> yes
[6:26] <michaelkuijn> Darn
[6:27] <michaelkuijn> But 5089 uses stable net, doesn't it?
[6:30] <verl> it's a new stable net
[6:30] <michaelkuijn> Three different?
[6:31] <verl> there's unstable, stableold, stablenew
[6:31] <michaelkuijn> What network do you recommend I use?
[6:31] <michaelkuijn> I kinda like unstable
[6:31] <verl> stablenew :)
[6:31] <verl> to try things out
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[6:31] <verl> for example i have a pretty active node now
[6:31] <verl> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 20 (11/9/200)
[6:31] <verl> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 52 (25/27)
[6:32] <verl> and browsing is still good
[6:32] <michaelkuijn> With both 5088 and 5089 I only have 1 or 2 connections and they *always* back off. That sucks
[6:32] <michaelkuijn> So I tried unstable, works nicely... but somehow it brings my comp to its knees. Harddrive sweating, mouse choppy...
[6:33] <verl> yeah, i let mine running over night and in the morning it had integrated, i guess you just have to wait
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[6:33] <michaelkuijn> And I have a PIV 2.66 Mhz and 256 MB ram, so that shouldn't be the problem?
[6:33] <verl> i had som problems with cpu usuage as well...haven't seen it now though
[6:34] <verl> ram is not that good, running linux?
[6:34] <michaelkuijn> Gentoo
[6:34] <verl> perhaps it's okay then, not like my winxp :)
[6:34] <greycat> freenet *devours* RAM
[6:34] <michaelkuijn> I know ;-)
[6:34] <michaelkuijn> But when it's in a good mood, Enemy Territory works like a charm
[6:35] <michaelkuijn> It's weird. When I request a page, my node calms down
[6:35] <michaelkuijn> Unstable - here I come!
[6:37] <michaelkuijn> What does 'backing off' mean exactly?
[6:37] <greycat> should those 5089 URLs go in the topic?
[6:37] <michaelkuijn> Good idea
[6:38] * greycat changes topic to 'Upgrade to 5088 | Unstable: Upgrade to 60178 | Logs: http://newton.matcmp.ncc.edu/~lockej/freenet/chanlog/ | Experimental post-stable 5089 build: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/5089/{freenet.jar,seednodes.ref} - new, very small network'
[6:38] <greycat> (anyone who can't decode the brace expansion shouldn't be running it anyway ;-) )
[6:39] <michaelkuijn> Mmm
[6:39] <michaelkuijn> What does 'backing off' mean?
[6:39] <michaelkuijn> Nodes can't communicate because of version differences?
[6:41] <michaelkuijn> Ah... in pour the connections
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[6:42] <michaelkuijn> greycat, what does 'backing off' mean?
[6:46] <greycat> don't have a clue.
[6:46] <greycat> oh, lookie, a second connection.
[6:46] <michaelkuijn> ??
[6:47] <michaelkuijn> I have about 20
[6:47] <michaelkuijn> You use 5089?
[6:47] <greycat> yes, uptime ~15 minutes now
[6:47] <greycat> 18 minutes. :)
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[7:11] <kork> I have 19
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[7:13] <iip_i2p> <mazzanet> 11 days 58mins here :P
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[7:57] <michaelkuijn> Hi
[7:59] <greycat> back down to 1 connection.
[7:59] <michaelkuijn> Usable?
[8:00] <greycat> not until we get some more nodes
[8:00] <michaelkuijn> Backing off all the time..?
[8:00] <lostlogic> I have 25 conns on 'newstable'
[8:00] <greycat> lostlogic: give me some, then!! ;-)
[8:00] <lostlogic> so far rate limiting seems to work...
[8:00] <lostlogic> how does one export noderefs? I'd be happy to post them...
[8:00] <greycat> * 1 backed off.
[8:00] <greycat> The request couldn't even make it off of your node.
[8:01] <greycat> So.... "backed off" is something that *I* do, not the other end?
[8:01] <lostlogic> you back off when the node says to wait, otherwise it will just reject queries from you...
[8:01] <lostlogic> basically it is in a node's best interest to backoff when another node asks it to
[8:01] <greycat> http://127.0.0.1:8888/servlet/nodestatus/noderefs.txt?minCP=0.0&minConnections=1
[8:03] <lostlogic> http://www.lostlogicx.com/transfer/noderefs.txt
[8:03] <lostlogic> gotta run, back in 30
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[8:06] <greycat> wow, much better.
[8:09] <michaelkuijn> How?
[8:09] <greycat> downloaded the aforementioned seednodes, restarted with them
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[8:38] <verl> after 10 hours uptime
[8:38] <verl> Connections with Successful Transfers 23
[8:38] <verl> Backed off nodes 20
[8:38] <michaelkuijn> verl, and you use...?
[8:39] <verl> new stable
[8:40] <jabawok> heres some stats from my 5089 node for anyone interested
[8:40] <jabawok> Uptime: 0 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes
[8:40] <jabawok> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 26 (24/2/200)
[8:40] <jabawok> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 510 (1/509)
[8:41] <greycat> wow, uberleech.
[8:41] <verl> he, how about yours greycat?
[8:42] <jabawok> transfers active is just growing steadily.. me thinks something very wrong with this node... any suggestions?
[8:42] <michaelkuijn> ???
[8:42] <greycat> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 21 (5/16/200)
[8:42] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 18 (8/10)
[8:42] <jabawok> config is pretty much all default apart from rates and other essitials
[8:43] <verl> michaelkuijn: not sure, you've tried to do a restart?
[8:43] <verl> i think toad had som troubles which disapeared when he did that
[8:43] <michaelkuijn> Running latest unstable now....
[8:43] <michaelkuijn> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 40 (17/23/200)
[8:43] <michaelkuijn> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 142 (101/41)
[8:43] <michaelkuijn> Data waiting to be transferred 8 KiB
[8:43] <michaelkuijn> Total amount of data transferred 289 MiB
[8:44] <michaelkuijn> Uptime 2 hours 8 minutes
[8:46] <michaelkuijn> Good?
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[9:22] <lolo-laptop> how's 'newstable'?
[9:22] <lolo-laptop> I'm up to 30 connections
[9:30] <greycat> wow, it's weird to actually see DNFs again.
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[9:40] <ejhuff> 29 (22/7) Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving)
[9:40] <ejhuff> 176 MiB/114 MiB Amount of data transmitted/received over currently open connections
[9:40] <ejhuff> 222 MiB/136 MiB Total amount of data transmitted/received
[9:40] <ejhuff> 30 Number of distinct nodes connected
[9:40] <ejhuff> 7 hours 16 minutes Uptime
[9:40] <ejhuff> # Histogram of node versions in fred's Routing table
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[9:44] <ejhuff> 29 (22/7) Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving)
[9:44] <ejhuff> 176 MiB/114 MiB Amount of data transmitted/received over currently open connections
[9:44] <ejhuff> 222 MiB/136 MiB Total amount of data transmitted/received
[9:44] <ejhuff> 30 Number of distinct nodes connected
[9:44] <ejhuff> 7 hours 16 minutes Uptime
[9:44] <ejhuff> # Histogram of node versions in fred's Routing table
[9:44] <ejhuff> # Aug 4, 2004 9:32:16 AM
[9:44] <ejhuff> # nodes: 492
[9:44] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5068 1
[9:44] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5069 2
[9:44] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5070 2
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5076 1
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5078 1
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5082 4
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5083 3
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5084 192
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5085 5
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5086 28
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5087 11
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5088 214
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5089 25
[9:45] <ejhuff> Fred,0.6,1.47,6411 1
[9:45] <ejhuff> unknown 2
[9:45] <ejhuff> Probability of success of an incoming request
[9:45] <ejhuff> Aug 4, 2004 9:34:23 AM
[9:45] <ejhuff> 0 | 0.016666668
[9:45] <ejhuff> 1 | 0.025906736
[9:45] <ejhuff> 2 | 0.029490616
[9:45] <ejhuff> 3 | 0.0132626
[9:45] <ejhuff> 4 | 0.032019705
[9:45] <ejhuff> 5 | 0.027777778
[9:45] <ejhuff> 6 | 0.028795812
[9:45] <ejhuff> 7 | 0.014888338
[9:45] <ejhuff> 8 | 0.031185031
[9:45] <ejhuff> 9 | 0.033573143
[9:45] <ejhuff> a | 0.016216217
[9:45] <ejhuff> b | 0.020576132
[9:45] <ejhuff> c | 0.028888889
[9:45] <ejhuff> d | 0.020881671
[9:45] <ejhuff> e | 0.0154185025
[9:45] <ejhuff> f | 0.027027028
[9:46] <ejhuff> Max: 0.033573143
[9:46] <ejhuff> Most successful: 9
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[10:05] <lolo-laptop> so newstable is 31 nodes total and is therefore fully connected... what is using all my bw then?
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[10:29] <mikeDOTd> lolo-laptop: why wouldn't newstable use as much of your bandwidth as stable?
[10:31] <TheSeeker> 60178 crashed.
[10:32] <lolo-laptop> mikeDOTd: 31 nodes generating 12k requests per hour? we have an issue here.
[10:32] <lolo-laptop> Smoothed local mean traffic (queries per hour): 13041.419
[10:32] <verl> someone running frost?
[10:33] <lolo-laptop> there must be a runnaway requests problem of some sort for this kind of behaviour, IMO
[10:33] <lolo-laptop> s/31/33/
[10:33] <lolo-laptop> verl: even so, this kind of load for 33 people all running frost seems too high... I'm still saying we have some kind of runaway request mechanism...
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[10:36] * mikeDOTd has a feeling we're going to end up with unstable, pre-stable, and stable networks from now on
[10:36] <verl> lolo-laptop: i agree, as did the problems last night, although toad was too tired to decide if it actually was problems :)
[10:36] <verl> mikeDOTd: who would wanna stay on old stable? it's a wreck!
[10:37] <lolo-laptop> well when he wakes up, he'll see me bitching and be like "prove it" and I'll be like "no proof, just qualitative evidence" and he'll be like "stfu" (hi toad)
[10:37] <verl> lolo-laptop: that's what we have kenman for :)
[10:37] <lolo-laptop> hehe ya
[10:37] <verl> he can voice our "feel"
[10:38] <verl> and take the battle !
[10:39] <mikeDOTd> verl: 5089 isn't looking much better, and it lacks content
[10:39] <mikeDOTd> but anyway my point was we need better testing
[10:39] <mikeDOTd> there's crap in stable, and newstable, that should have been detected in unstable
[10:40] <mikeDOTd> i mean, 4 stable releases in a week's time to fix bugs? then another release to reset the network? there's a broken process here IMO
[10:41] <verl> mikeDOTd: unstable was tested a long time, and it seemd to work very well
[10:41] <verl> i did not have the same issues
[10:41] <lolo-laptop> s/very well//g
[10:41] <verl> so it might be an artifact of old nodes not going well with new ones
[10:42] <verl> anyway, we'll see that now, 5089 doesn't seem as bad
[10:42] <verl> but that might be just because it has low number of nodes...
[10:43] <verl> the resetting wasn't done with another purpose then that something *had* to be done
[10:47] <greycat> inserts still hang in 5089 (not surprised...)
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[11:06] * KenMan notes that 5084 didn't have the incoming transfers accounting bug
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[11:14] <galt> does start-freenet do some magic to version numbers? because it's reporting 1.4.2 when java -version is reporting 1.5.0beta2
[11:14] <KenMan> galt: you may need to set your path, or specify a full path to the java you want inside the script
[11:15] <galt> KenMan: ie classpath?
[11:15] <KenMan> no, your actual path. I assume you are not on windows...
[11:16] <galt> Solaris
[11:16] <KenMan> echo $JAVA_HOME echo $CLASSPATH echo $PATH
[11:17] <galt> and /bin/java is a symlink to j2se1.5.0
[11:17] <KenMan> okay, which one do you wish to run ?
[11:18] <galt> I really don't know. the last ime I heard freenet was using 1.4 in builds, no?
[11:19] <KenMan> several people are reporting good results with 1.5 , and hell, you are ON THEIR NATIVE PLATFORM. if it doesn't work there, well...
[11:20] <KenMan> so, inside the start-freenet script , just change 'java' to '/bin/java' or, preferably, the full true path
[11:20] <galt> okay, I'll try both. one of them has GOT to work ;)
[11:22] <KenMan> oh, i didn't even consider that. I think a jar built with 1.4 should be 100% digestible by a 1.5 JVM, if i understand java at all...
[11:23] <galt> BTW, it does do magic with the version numbers... version >= 1.4.2 echo version 1.4.2
[11:24] <KenMan> You mean the startup script or the freenet.jar ??
[11:24] <galt> start-freenet.sh
[11:24] <KenMan> phew
[11:24] <galt> look at the last part
[11:25] <KenMan> i have an older one... not the same...
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[11:38] <Lux> Can I ask whats different about 5089 then?
[11:38] <Lux> and should i install it?
[11:42] <lolo-laptop> Lux: it is a network reset... so 5089 doesn't talk to any previous version...
[11:42] <lolo-laptop> Lux currently only a few dozen nodes on that network...
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[11:42] <Lux> lolo: so ur saying No then?
[11:42] <lolo-laptop> *shrug*
[11:42] <lolo-laptop> I'm running it
[11:42] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> yes, and it only shows content of evil ;-)
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[11:43] <Lux> lolo: cant really say 5088 gets much for me
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[11:44] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> all crap. We should just incorporate the nativethingy and small-chunks into 5084, and call that 0.6, and then we can continue (wasting time)
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[11:49] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> I repeat: all crap. We should just incorporate the nativethingy and small-chunks into 5084, and call that 0.6, and then we can continue (wasting time)
[11:49] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> I repeat: all crap. We should just incorporate the nativethingy and small-chunks into 5084, and call that 0.6, and then we can continue (wasting time)
[11:50] <Lux> Nativethingy?
[11:50] <Lux> I havent got a clue, but its peeked my curiosity
[11:50] <Lux> Why does 5084 work but 5088 not really?
[11:51] <mikeDOTd> it's called progress!
[11:51] * mikeDOTd ducks
[11:51] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> because 5084 was less crap then 5088
[11:51] <Lux> k
[11:51] <greycat> Running 5089, I have my "Help me my internet is toast" symptoms again.
[11:51] <greycat> griffon:~/freenet$ host irc.freenode.net
[11:51] <greycat> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[11:51] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> basically, it was an old stable node, with not all that fancy new algorithms and what not in it
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[11:52] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> cofe is the only thing I can reach
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[11:54] <greycat> I also have a lag of 3-4 seconds over an ssh connection to my home system, which should *not* occur, since ssh has priority over default, which has priority over freenet. (Freenet Outgoing connections fall into default, though -- that's something I have to work on.)
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[11:57] <Lux> greycat: killall -9 java :P
[11:57] <greycat> I'm sure I'll do that (without the -9).
[11:57] <greycat> I just wish I could figure out what's actually *causing* this!
[11:58] <Lux> what kernel u using? (assuming ur using linux)
[11:58] <hirvox> greycat:do you use traffic shaping?
[11:58] <greycat> my gateway/firewall is an openbsd box. I'm using PF priority queueing.
[11:59] <greycat> there's no traffic shaping on the linux box itself, which is inside the firewall
[12:02] * hirvox is not familiar with packetfilter, but it should be possible to mark freenet packets on the linux box with diffserv tags, and shape the traffic in openbsd
[12:06] <KenMan> aw, shucks, i wasted my opportunity to hijack freenet 5089, seeing as I'm serving the files. Oh well.
[12:07] <greycat> or... you're just saying that to make us think you *didn't* hijack it...
[12:07] <KenMan> no, if i hijacked it then everything would work much much better ;)
[12:08] <KenMan> it's really not fair to evaluate this new network for some time - we don't know what people are doing...
[12:09] <KenMan> and we have influenced it with my offering of 1250 4KB testing keys, which 2 or 3 people have already "flood fetched."
[12:10] <KenMan> i don't know if it is a good thing or a bad thing, but it is a thing
[12:10] * greycat kills Freenet (again)
[12:10] <greycat> I can't diagnose network performance problems remotely
[12:12] <Lux> ntop is good
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[12:44] <michaelkuijn> Latest-unstable work s like a charm
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[12:56] <salahx> I've got 27 nodes in my RT
[12:58] * toad_ back!
[12:58] <KenMan> bull puckies
[12:58] <salahx> BTW by node gnereate a seednodes,ref every hour: http://home.earthlink.net/~salahx/freenet/unstable.ref.gz
[12:59] * KenMan says, "when the chips are down, the buffalo is empty"
[12:59] * toad_ probably ought to do some work, having been out for the last several hours... /me decides not to go to aikido
[12:59] <KenMan> ah, but where to focus
[13:00] <toad_> KenMan: i will read the irc backlog, and answer my email, first
[13:00] <toad_> that will take a disturbingly long time :|
[13:00] <toad_> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 33 (31/2/200) - perhaps time to pull the switch on 5089?
[13:02] <toad_> <KenMan> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/5089/bangOn5089.sh - LOL, it doesn't even randomize them?
[13:02] <KenMan> it certainly does, due to backoff when fetching...
[13:02] * toad_ checks for a hidden rm -Rf / in there... :)
[13:03] <toad_> <jabawok_w> getting a fair bit of DNF, quite a bit of RNF and occasinally Download of x bytes started..
[13:03] <toad_> <jabawok_w> and definitely getting lots of:
[13:03] <toad_> <jabawok_w> java.lang.NullPointerException
[13:03] <toad_> <jabawok_w> at freenet.client.SegmentOutputStream.close(SegmentOutputStream.java:225)
[13:03] <toad_> <jabawok_w> at freenet.client.FCPClient$FCPRequest.doDataFound(FCPClient.java:957)
[13:03] <toad_> <jabawok_w> at freenet.client.FCPClient$FCPRequest.doit(FCPClient.java:880)
[13:03] <toad_> <jabawok_w> at freenet.client.FCPClient$FCPInstance.run(FCPClient.java:262)
[13:03] <toad_> <jabawok_w> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)
[13:03] <toad_> ouch don't see that here...
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[13:05] <Lux> how different are freenet & entropy?
[13:06] <jabawok> toad_ it was a permissions problem outputting the file to dummy.txt in the current directory
[13:06] <jabawok> toad_ : fixed it by specifying output file /tmp/dummy.txt so don't worry about that
[13:06] <toad_> <KenMan> what freenet lacks the most is more coders, and a general team-approach - I think we work together pretty well actually
[13:07] <KenMan> but apparently we are not productive enough
[13:07] <toad_> <mikeDOTd> but why didn't all these post 5084 problems show up in unstable? - Very likely because we didn't reset it
[13:07] <toad_> although some changes were introduced later
[13:07] <KenMan> or, there is the possibility that some code somehow made it into 5088 that was not in unstable (?)
[13:07] <toad_> KenMan: what do you expect? We're trying something that would challenge government research agencies
[13:08] * KenMan knows they are behind most of freenet's problems...
[13:08] <KenMan> ;)
[13:09] <toad_> <KenMan> it helps to have some users to generate "real research" traffic, but if the project suddenly gets it right (and the odds are ??) then we will have users galore. - the odds are 50:50 that in the next 25 years we will get freenet working that well. :)
[13:09] <KenMan> ahh, you are an optimist like myself.
[13:09] <toad_> <KenMan> i believe so. It doesn't matter. The protocol is upped, which is more effective (that causes the reset). - no it isn't, it's just lGB
[13:11] <toad_> <KenMan> and, more to the point, when will the linux community, the same community that encouraged adding in the necessary kernel support, call it 'stable' ? - well, it isn't stable on java 1.5b2, or any other java afaics... :)
[13:11] <Lux> Comparisons... no-one should call KDE stable :P or GAIM... i mean, freenet stays up without crashing longer...
[13:12] <salahx> I think Java 1.5 is goign to be rename 5.0 when tis released...
[13:12] <KenMan> my point re:NPTL was that there are probably a lot of people out there using it. Surely it has made its way into RHEL , no ?
[13:12] <jabawok> night all.. 0130h where i am..
[13:12] <toad_> <mikeDOTd> rate limiting in 5089 is still busted, i'm exceeding 100% - umm, no. rate limiting just means it will AVERAGE at 100% in the long term - i.e. half the time it should be over and half under
[13:12] <salahx> RHEL still uses 2.4.x
[13:12] <KenMan> night jabawok
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[13:13] <toad_> <jabawok_w> KenMan - why would i be getting DNF at all with only 10 or so nodes? i know htl=5 in your script but surely with such a small network it should always find these keys - the one node the keys were on was backed off?
[13:14] <jabawok> btw, i just restarted my node (running since beginning) to reset Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 520 (0/520)
[13:14] <jabawok> toad_ yep good explaination
[13:14] <toad_> <jabawok_w> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 193 (0/193)
[13:14] <toad_> <jabawok_w> what the?
[13:14] <toad_> woah
[13:14] <toad_> how is that possible?!
[13:14] <KenMan> toad, you think there might be a bug here ??
[13:14] <toad_> eeeek
[13:14] <toad_> well, unless there are 193 threads in DataStateInitiator...
[13:14] <jabawok> toad_ see my comment a couple lines up
[13:14] <jabawok> it was over 500
[13:15] <jabawok> thats why i just restarted the node
[13:15] <jabawok> admittedly i had frost running all that time - that may have something to do with it, but regardless it shouldn't be that high...
[13:15] <toad_> <matahari> the FNP seems to be always changing. does anyone know if/when they are planning to freeze it? - uhh, when it's ready to be frozen?? ;)
[13:16] <jabawok> seems to be behaving ok now though
[13:16] <jabawok> Uptime: 0 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes
[13:16] <jabawok> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 29 (13/16/200)
[13:16] <jabawok> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 45 (20/25)
[13:16] <jabawok> anyway night <gone>
[13:18] <toad_> <michaelkuijn> So I tried unstable, works nicely... but somehow it brings my comp to its knees. Harddrive sweating, mouse choppy... - did you get the new freenet-ext.jar ?
[13:19] <Lux> ok im on gentoo, im updating snapshot, from 5088 to 5089 i hope, do i need to wget freenet-ext again too?
[13:20] <salahx> not
[13:20] <salahx> You do need new seednodes though
[13:20] <Lux> got htmem
[13:20] <Lux> them*
[13:20] <salahx> ok
[13:20] <toad_> <greycat> wow, it's weird to actually see DNFs again. - i've seen plenty on both nets
[13:21] <toad_> <lolo-laptop> mikeDOTd: 31 nodes generating 12k requests per hour? we have an issue here.
[13:21] <toad_> <lolo-laptop> Smoothed local mean traffic (queries per hour): 13041.419
[13:21] <toad_> <verl> someone running frost?
[13:21] <toad_> <lolo-laptop> there must be a runnaway requests problem of some sort for this kind of behaviour, IMO
[13:21] <toad_> <lolo-laptop> s/31/33/
[13:21] <toad_> <lolo-laptop> verl: even so, this kind of load for 33 people all running frost seems too high... I'm still saying we have some kind of runaway request mechanism...
[13:21] <toad_> possibly... but htl should limit things
[13:22] <Lux> still says 5088
[13:22] <salahx> try shift+refresh ?
[13:22] <salahx> idd you copy freenet.jar to /usr/lib/freenet ?
[13:23] <Lux> im using gentoo so the ebuild should have worked
[13:23] <salahx> no, it wouldn't
[13:23] <toad_> <greycat> inserts still hang in 5089 (not surprised...) - thanks for telling me! </sarcasm>
[13:23] <salahx> Becasue 5089 hasn't been built
[13:23] <salahx> you weityher have ti compile it from CVS yourself or get the jar from one of us...
[13:23] <galt> salahx: /topic
[13:23] <salahx> oh yeah :)
[13:23] <Lux> ahhh
[13:24] <greycat> toad_: I only ran it for a total of about 4 hours. I reported it to #freenet when I noticed (during an insert of my freesite)
[13:24] * Lux looks at topic
[13:24] <Lux> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/5089/{freenet.jar,seednodes.ref}
[13:24] <toad_> <greycat> Running 5089, I have my "Help me my internet is toast" symptoms again.
[13:24] <toad_> <greycat> griffon:~/freenet$ host irc.freenode.net
[13:24] <toad_> <greycat> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[13:24] <toad_> curious
[13:25] <Lux> seednodes.ref goes into /var/freenet?
[13:25] <salahx> YEp
[13:25] <greycat> I should probably fire up 5084 again some time to see if I have those same symptoms in the older builds.
[13:25] <Lux> btw, the "main page" for freenet that shows
[13:25] <Lux> the link to "distribute freenet"
[13:25] <Lux> always tries to access 127.0.0.1
[13:25] <Lux> rather than the machine which the freenet node is running on
[13:25] <toad_> <KenMan> aw, shucks, i wasted my opportunity to hijack freenet 5089, seeing as I'm serving the files. Oh well. - LOL
[13:26] <toad_> <michaelkuijn> Latest-unstable work s like a charm - IT HAS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME CODE AS LATEST STABLE !!!!!!!!!
[13:27] <Lux> apart from the break_freenet class?
[13:27] <galt> anyone else ever get one of the latest running on Solaris/j2SDK1.5.0-beta2?
[13:27] <Lux> :P
[13:27] <greycat> galt: which part gives you problems? The solaris part, or the 1.5 part?
[13:27] <toad_> <Lux> how different are freenet & entropy? - fairly different; they use superficially similar keys
[13:27] <galt> mostly the Solaris part
[13:28] <Lux> toad_: why two seperate projects with exactly the same goal though, almost?
[13:28] <galt> want some error messages?
[13:28] <salahx> Actually Entropt is dead now :)
[13:28] <Lux> why dont whoever developed for entropy help out with freenet then?
[13:28] <salahx> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/10/1458202&tid=158&tid=95
[13:29] <toad_> <Lux> Comparisons... no-one should call KDE stable :P or GAIM... i mean, freenet stays up without crashing longer... - LOL. KDE works well for me. Whereas all X drivers for my card have problems, both the free and the proprietary ones. OTOH it might be a KDE problem that windows suddenly stop being openable...
[13:29] <toad_> <jabawok> it was over 500
[13:29] <toad_> <jabawok> thats why i just restarted the node
[13:29] <toad_> <jabawok> admittedly i had frost running all that time - that may have something to do with it, but regardless it shouldn't be that high...
[13:29] <toad_> aha
[13:29] <toad_> that's why
[13:29] <Lux> toad_: never seen the Freenet dragon yet :p
[13:30] <Lux> Yay 5089!
[13:30] <Lux> btw what countries is freenet illegal in then?
[13:31] <greycat> probably "all of 'em", sooner or later
[13:31] <Lux> anyone wth a more optimisic answer :p
[13:32] <toad_> <Lux> btw, the "main page" for freenet that shows
[13:32] <toad_> <Lux> the link to "distribute freenet"
[13:32] <toad_> <Lux> always tries to access 127.0.0.1
[13:32] <toad_> <Lux> rather than the machine which the freenet node is running on
[13:32] <toad_> eh?
[13:32] <galt> greycat: in fact, now that I think of it, both 1.5.0-b2 and 1.4.2 puke in exactly the same manner
[13:32] <greycat> "write once, run anywhere! I mean, run on Windows! And maybe Linux if you're lucky!"
[13:32] <toad_> <Lux> anyone wth a more optimisic answer :p - nope
[13:33] <toad_> right now, freenet is not illegal in any countries to our knowledge
[13:33] <toad_> but we can't be sure about that
[13:33] <Lux> toad_: the "Spread Freenet" link
[13:33] <toad_> if we ever get it working, it will probably be illegal everywhere
[13:33] <Lux> toad_: points to http://127.0.0.1:8891/
[13:33] <toad_> Lux: what is the problem with that link?
[13:33] <toad_> yes, so?
[13:33] <greycat> "illegal" is a fuzzy concept in many places. I'm sure that it could be considered "illegal" in China even though there's no explicit law against it.
[13:33] <galt> greycat: I can honestly say that in this case it's the other JVMs at fault ;)
[13:33] <toad_> greycat: probably :|
[13:34] <Lux> toad_: well my freenet node is 192.168.1.101, the box i access freenet through is 192.168.1.100
[13:34] <toad_> Lux: too bad!
[13:34] <toad_> seriously, the control interface isn't accessible from outside
[13:34] <galt> you can't get mor canonical a JVM than solaris10bbeta3 on a US2i ;)
[13:34] <Lux> toad_: shouldnt it point to 192.168.1.101:8891 instead?
[13:34] <greycat> galt: you could get a nonbeta :)
[13:34] <toad_> technically we could do a load of code and make it work on a lan config :|
[13:35] <Lux> toad_: it dont matter anyways, just wondering
[13:35] <galt> greycat: but then I wouldn't be anticipating the Great Opensourcing of Solaris ;P
[13:35] <toad_> Lux: if we did that we'd have to figure out the LAN address, specify it in the config probably, add in specification of who can access the control interface for the distro servlet...
[13:35] <toad_> it'd be a PITA
[13:35] <Lux> toad_: shame u cant do relative addresses with port numbers.. u could do: .:8891 then
[13:36] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 18 (0/18/200)
[13:36] <Lux> ummm
[13:36] <greycat> Lux: inbound takes a bit longer to get
[13:36] <Lux> well i've got icons already
[13:36] <Lux> and can access CoE
[13:37] <Lux> took 14 hours in 5088 :p
[13:39] <Lux> so no-one convinced any universities that this is a worthy project to invest in?
[13:40] <Lux> or the ACLU
[13:40] <toad_> <Lux> toad_: shame u cant do relative addresses with port numbers.. u could do: .:8891 then - wouldn't help
[13:40] <toad_> your PC probably has at least 3 IP addresses
[13:41] <toad_> 127.0.0.1, 192.168.something.something, and a global inet address
[13:41] <Lux> toad_: with relative linking, i mean, it would take ur current site u access, and change the port
[13:41] <Lux> toad_: in the same way u can do / to get to the root of the server... .: u could access another port
[13:41] <greycat> toad_: he means relative as in web-browser-relative, like using <a href="./config/index.html">
[13:41] <Lux> greycat: exactly
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[13:55] <toad_> Lux: oh, re the ACLU... they're a bit busy lately (as are the EFF), in case you hadn't noticed :)
[13:56] <toad_> they have their hands full with relatively clear-cut stuff
[13:57] <toad_> freenet otoh is very easy to slime
[13:58] <galt> yeah, combining two major bugaboos: anonymity and p2p
[14:00] <toad_> galt: worse - anonymous CONTENT!
[14:00] <toad_> "ACLU Sponsors Child Porn, Terrorism and Piracy!"
[14:00] <greycat> three bugaboos, then: anonymous speech, anonymous reading, P2P
[14:01] <toad_> anonymity, uncensorability, P2P
[14:01] <galt> three, THREE major weapons are anonymity, p2p, and uncensorability
[14:01] <greycat> heh
[14:01] <Lux> Tampons of Mass Destruction.. sorry just had to say it
[14:01] <KenMan> well, don't worry. We haven't done it yet. So there is not much to worry about...
[14:02] <galt> anyone else gets the comfy couch
[14:02] <KenMan> galt: that is something you are not supposed to talk about, even if you DO get it !! :o
[14:06] <KenMan> toad: i see a few bogus values in PeerHandler.receivedRequest where it computes diff. Some get computed to impossibly large values, but none exceed 6M
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[14:08] <toad_> KenMan: hmm?
[14:09] <KenMan> I'm distilling what little value that 7G logfile from 5088 yesterday can offer
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[14:11] <toad_> http://www.firenze.linux.it/~marcoc/index.php?page=publications
[14:11] <toad_> anyone want to import some old stuff into the new site?
[14:11] <toad_> that appears to have a lot of it...
[14:12] <Toast> load, you stil need people for the new stable?
[14:12] <toad_> Toast: sure
[14:12] <Toast> T
[14:12] <Toast> cool... will ipdate.
[14:18] <KenMan> toad - scratch that... false positive on a problem with PeerHandler.receivedRequest()
[14:19] <KenMan> i was working in seconds, not ms - d'oh
[14:19] <toad_> duh :)
[14:19] <galt> first issue with slowaris INFO: Native CPUID library jcpuid not loaded, reason: 'Dont know jcpuid library name for os type 'SunOS'' - will not be able to read CPU information using CPUID
[14:19] <toad_> galt: expected
[14:19] <toad_> please continue
[14:20] <toad_> SunOS == Solaris?
[14:20] <galt> okay, second NOTICE: Resource name [net/i2p/util/libnull.so] was not found
[14:20] <galt> and yes, SunOS == Solaris
[14:20] <toad_> not surprising really
[14:20] <galt> third: INFO: Native BigInteger library jbigi not loaded, reason: 'Dont know jbigi library name for os type 'SunOS'' - using pure java
[14:20] <toad_> are you interested in compiling a library for solaris to speed up crypto? we could then include it in the jar...
[14:21] <toad_> of course, we'd have to trust you... hmm, maybe we can set up cross compilation here...
[14:21] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> Any developer: I'd like to keep my node running, but I've been forced to take it down: memory usage goes to 800 MByte regularly, which makes other tasts (I _do_ need that machine for work) next to impossible. I've read Fillaments "On the proper care of perm. nodes", but it doesn't help.
[14:21] <galt> toad_: mebbe later, let me get to the death stroke, number 4
[14:21] <toad_> PhamNuwen: yikes
[14:21] <toad_> 800MB measured by what?
[14:21] <toad_> 800MB virtual is quite plausible, virtual goes completely crazy
[14:21] <galt> fourth, and this I think kills FNP: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassCastException
[14:21] <galt> at freenet.config.Params.getInt(Params.java:350)
[14:21] <galt> at freenet.node.Node.init(Node.java:3431)
[14:21] <galt> at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:471)
[14:21] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> Specs: Freenet 5088 on Java VM 1.4.1 on Linux 2.6.5
[14:21] <toad_> 800MB of real sbrk()ed memory is a MAJOR leak
[14:22] <toad_> galt: that's a problem with your config file
[14:22] <galt> toad_: oh? solution?
[14:22] * toad_ thinks we should handle that sort of problem differently ;)
[14:22] <salahx> back it up, delete it and regenerate it
[14:22] <toad_> galt: send me your freenet.conf
[14:22] <toad_> I can tell you how to fix it
[14:22] <toad_> but really we ought to handle that better
[14:23] * toad_ will code a fix... eventually
[14:23] <galt> it's just a blank port and seednodes just pulled
[14:23] <toad_> paste it, if it's that short
[14:23] <toad_> actually
[14:24] <toad_> delete freenet.conf
[14:24] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> toad: about 800 Mbyte virtual (no prob), but about 500 Mbyte resident (which _is_ a problem). It's been like this since 5088 (5084 didn't do that). I use the server VM and the AggressiveHeap options
[14:24] <toad_> run java freenet.node.Main --config
[14:24] <galt> listenPort=
[14:24] <galt> seedNodes=seednodes.ref
[14:24] <toad_> PhamNuwen: eeek
[14:24] <toad_> I have no idea why it does that
[14:24] <toad_> do you have nonstandard settings?
[14:24] <toad_> e.g. logLevel=debug?
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[14:25] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> BRB (making a diff of the distribution config and my config)
[14:25] <toad_> my stable node (with lots of logging) has 148MB RSS and 575MB virtual
[14:25] <toad_> and it's been up for 16 hours!
[14:25] <galt> toad_: is it the port that's puking it?
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[14:29] <kork> hm
[14:29] <kork> my node has been up for 12 hours 8 minutes now
[14:30] <toad_> galt: yes
[14:30] <toad_> galt: specify one
[14:30] <toad_> or remove the file and --config it
[14:31] <toad_> PhamNuwen: actually it may be that my node is not using much memory because it's on newstable, which is rather small
[14:31] <toad_> KenMan: how's things?
[14:31] <toad_> what are you working on presently?
[14:31] <toad_> should I run an oldstable branch node as well as the newstable one?
[14:31] <kork> load avg 0.1
[14:31] <kork> with the node running
[14:31] <kork> cute
[14:31] <kork> 0.08
[14:35] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> toad: differences: I have maximumThreads=256 (instead of the commented-out version in the distrib config). And I have logInboundInsertRequestDist=true and logSuccessfulInsertRequestDist=true. Memory-usage after 5 minutes uptime is 764m 381m (virtual and resident)
[14:37] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> toad: And now, after two or three pages I downloaded, it's up to 850m/484m
[14:38] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> toad: What do you mean by newstable?
[14:39] <KenMan> toad_ things are fine, will be away for a long time now...
[14:41] <KenMan> it's too soon to offer an opinion on newstable, but qpm is behaving itself so far...
[14:42] <KenMan> queries/hour are high-ish, but that is not necessarily an indication of a problem yet. I may have influenced it by serving so many small keys.
[14:43] <KenMan> you should build yet-more rate limiting code that reacts to backoffCount. You should target 50% of routes backed off at any time.
[14:43] <toad_> KenMan: won't work
[14:43] <toad_> I've explained this
[14:43] <KenMan> if it melts down, then you need to figure out why creating a steady level of backoff ruins the network
[14:43] <toad_> I suppose I may have been aiming too high
[14:43] <toad_> well, I did figure it out
[14:43] <KenMan> no, you have not sufficiently explained it, and i don't want you to try right now.
[14:44] <toad_> I explained it on devl
[14:44] <toad_> MRI goes up -> MRI goes up -> first MRI goes up -> ...
[14:44] <toad_> feedback
[14:44] <KenMan> just think about that problem for a while. why does MRI go up up up ? there is an explanation you haven't discovered yet.
[14:45] <KenMan> you need to discover it on your own, in your own way. I'm not trying to be difficult. Sorry if I sound that way.
[14:45] <toad_> KenMan: if you know it, tell me
[14:46] <KenMan> i believe it involves the multiplication of queries - you set a cap at 3 tries (or retries) on RNF.
[14:46] <toad_> backoff -> MRI goes up -> more backoff -> MRI goes up on another node -> more backoff on this node -> MRI goes up on this node -> round and round and round...
[14:46] <toad_> KenMan: RNFs are very carefully capped already by the HTL
[14:47] <KenMan> whether or not you realize it, you ARE attempting to balance query-count in against query-count out.
[14:47] <toad_> well then freenet will never work
[14:47] <KenMan> not with that attitude :)
[14:47] <toad_> because any such arrangement, unless we can find some rigorous way to arrange it not to melt down, will melt down
[14:47] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> toad: Found it... The AggressiveHeap options didn't seem to bother 5084 much, but it does bother 5088. I've removed it now, and it seems to be fine.
[14:48] <toad_> cool PhamNuwen
[14:48] <KenMan> if you ever get freenet to work, the ins and outs WILL be comparable at that time.
[14:48] <toad_> btw how's freegle?
[14:48] <michaelkuijn> toad_, the same with me! To its knees indeed.
[14:48] <toad_> michaelkuijn: huh?
[14:49] <toad_> KenMan: only if all nodes are heterogenous
[14:49] <toad_> err
[14:49] <toad_> homogenous
[14:49] <michaelkuijn> toad_, I was away some time.
[14:49] <KenMan> another tool at your disposal is node management. I haven't given this part a lot of thought yet, but it deserves it
[14:49] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> toad: I'll work on that in a little while: my first system was a loose bunch of shell scripts. But now I'll try to hack the FSpider and move my stuff in there; it already has good support for all 3 different kinds of freesites.
[14:50] <michaelkuijn> toad_, It brings my comp to its knees too, latest unstable.
[14:50] <KenMan> bbl
[14:50] <toad_> KenMan: if you have all the answers, please tell me :)
[14:51] <michaelkuijn> toad_, but with unstable I have 5 connections in no time, and fully functional (or quite). When I try 5088/9 I have 2 connections at best, and I can't call it functional.
[14:51] <toad_> michaelkuijn: umm, which?
[14:51] <toad_> 5088 is different to 5089
[14:52] <Lux> I think it would be good if we could get PHP working in Freenet hehe
[14:52] <toad_> Lux: come up with a provably watertight way of doing it and we'll consider it
[14:52] <michaelkuijn> toad_, you mean which unstable?
[14:53] <toad_> michaelkuijn: no
[14:53] <michaelkuijn> toad_, ...?
[14:53] <toad_> is it 5088 or 5089? both of which are stable, but 5089 is the new stable branch, i.e. it needs to be reset
[14:53] <toad_> needs new seedndoes
[14:53] <michaelkuijn> toad_, I always reset the seednodes when switching jars.
[14:53] <toad_> michaelkuijn: yes, but did you use the RIGHT SEEDNODES?
[14:54] <toad_> i.e. not the mainstream ones, the ones from the 5089 download site?
[14:54] <toad_> listed in the email?
[14:54] <michaelkuijn> toad_, I took the seednodes for 8089 fron the website the jar is also in, and for 5088 and latest unstable the seednodes are handled by a Gentoo script.
[14:54] <michaelkuijn> What was that site again?
[14:55] <michaelkuijn> I do $ ebuild /var/portage/blabla.ebuild config
[14:55] <toad_> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/5089/freenet.jar
[14:55] <toad_> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/5089/seednodes.ref
[14:55] <michaelkuijn> That $ should be a #
[14:55] <michaelkuijn> That's the place
[14:56] * michaelkuijn 's harddrive *is* grinding
[14:56] <michaelkuijn> What do you recommend?
[14:57] <Lux> ironic that mywebpaes has more bandwidth than freenetproject seems to
[14:57] * michaelkuijn is shutting down his node now
[14:57] <michaelkuijn> I am so bloody confused
[14:57] <Lux> 5089 works fine for me
[14:57] <Lux> ill have to put it back on later tho
[14:57] <toad_> <Lux> ironic that mywebpaes has more bandwidth than freenetproject seems to
[14:57] <toad_> huh?
[14:58] <michaelkuijn> Is 5089 about as stable/usable/trustable/functional as 5088 ?
[14:58] <toad_> hmmm
[14:58] <toad_> 34 nodes
[14:58] <Lux> toad_: i got a faster download speed from mywebpages.comcast.net than from freenetproject
[14:58] <toad_> michaelkuijn: it's very similar but right now it's a very small network
[14:58] <toad_> Lux: oh, the website?
[14:58] <toad_> what do you expect, they're an ISP
[14:58] <toad_> now, should I pull the switch? are 34 nodes enough?
[14:58] * toad_ thinks probably so...
[14:58] <michaelkuijn> toad_, well, I could help the new net with my datastore from the other nets...
[14:59] * toad_ harvests refs...
[14:59] <michaelkuijn> toad_, you are using 5089, right? Can I have your seednodes.ref ?
[14:59] <toad_> jabawok isn't here, is he?
[14:59] <verl> michaelkuijn: soon you can download it as toad makes ready for everyone
[15:00] <toad_> michaelkuijn: use the one above
[15:00] <toad_> or i can make a better one
[15:00] <toad_> but the one above should be adequate
[15:00] <michaelkuijn> Mmmm. I think I'm going to try -89 now.
[15:01] <michaelkuijn> -89 is the way to go, right? I mean it will be marked stable like -88 soon, right?
[15:04] <toad_> yup
[15:05] <Lux> flame of the day: "I'm fucking done with you. I hope you're assraped to death by a ditch witch, and I honestly mean that."
[15:06] <Lux> OT but i thought it was funny
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[15:07] <michaelkuijn> toad_, my decision is made. I'll go with 'ninetyeight
[15:08] <galt> w00t, I have 5089 running on my Sun ;)
[15:08] <verl> hmm, 5089 is great from browsing point of view, i can get almost anything i request. wonder what's gonna happen when more nodes join...
[15:09] <michaelkuijn> verl, my experience is the opposite ;-)
[15:10] <verl> michaelkuijn: you did try new seednodes?
[15:10] <michaelkuijn> verl, from where?
[15:10] <verl> from me?
[15:11] <michaelkuijn> YES!
[15:11] <michaelkuijn> Gimme gimme gimme
[15:11] <galt> speaking of seednodes, do you snarf your set the same way?
[15:11] <michaelkuijn> ...?
[15:11] <verl> michaelkuijn: yes...accept dcc?
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[15:12] <michaelkuijn> I suppose so
[15:12] <michaelkuijn> I'm behind a router, NAT though
[15:13] <michaelkuijn> Problem?
[15:13] <michaelkuijn> Wooohooo
[15:13] <michaelkuijn> It worked
[15:14] <verl> i think i may not know fully about seednodes
[15:14] <verl> i seems these dont include all my node knows about freenet
[15:14] <michaelkuijn> But your connection list is quite long, I suppose?
[15:14] <verl> thought that would seak in there somehow... :)
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[15:16] <michaelkuijn> *WOW* my node is steaming!
[15:16] <verl> the one sent includes mine, so if you connect to that you may get integrated
[15:17] <michaelkuijn> I don't think your seednodes file was necessary
[15:17] <michaelkuijn> Thanks anyway ;-)
[15:17] <null_pointer_> Is 5088 broken?
[15:17] <verl> he :)
[15:17] <michaelkuijn> null_pointer_, it may seem so
[15:18] <michaelkuijn> Try 'eigtynine
[15:18] <null_pointer_> There is no 89
[15:19] <michaelkuijn> 5089
[15:19] <galt> null_pointer_: /topic
[15:19] <michaelkuijn> Look at the ...motd ...title errr ah topic!
[15:19] <null_pointer_> Ah
[15:21] <galt> os one of the "gpls" up?
[15:21] <michaelkuijn> ???
[15:21] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> michaelkuijn: Where do I get that 5089?
[15:21] <michaelkuijn> Look at /topic
[15:22] <null_pointer_> Anyone else think the freenet project right now kinda... lacks focus?
[15:23] <michaelkuijn> Oh yes
[15:24] * michaelkuijn thinks he can put away the three extra fans and the power suppy he used for extra cooling during 'latest-unstable'
[15:24] <iip_i2p> <PhamNuwen> michaelkuijn: The topic only say I have to use '!say' to get my stuff over to OPN. But not how to get 5089
[15:24] <michaelkuijn> Topic for #freenet is Upgrade to 5088 | Unstable: Upgrade to 60178 | Logs: http://newton.matcmp.ncc.edu/~lockej/freenet/chanlog/ | Experimental post-stable 5089 build: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/5089/{freenet.jar,seednodes.ref} - new, very small network
[15:24] <michaelkuijn> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jkcorson/5089/{freenet.jar,seednodes.ref}
[15:25] <null_pointer_> I would help but toad seems to be the only one who knows the code well enough to actually do something... or break something.
[15:25] <Lux> michaelkuijn: ever ran DNETC? :p
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[15:28] <greycat> oh, I'm sure the rest of us could manage to break something
[15:28] <null_pointer_> Not on purpose...
[15:29] <galt> hey, I haven't been back but a couple of days, gimme a chance here
[15:29] <Lux> I take it there wont be a mod_freenet for apache then :p
[15:30] <Lux> i havent got a clue how that would work anyways lol
[15:30] <null_pointer_> Someone should fork the project...
[15:30] <salahx> acutlaly writing a mod_Freenet probabyl woudln't be that hard
[15:31] <michaelkuijn> Lux, I compiled my first gentoo system from stage1 last summer.... the case of my Medion was too hot to touch - ouch
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[15:32] <michaelkuijn> null_pointer_, don't you swear at me
[15:32] <null_pointer_> Heh, swear?
[15:32] <michaelkuijn> fork... FORK?
[15:32] <greycat> Spoon!
[15:32] <michaelkuijn> Knife!
[15:32] <michaelkuijn> Pizza cutter!
[15:33] <galt> double-bitted axe!
[15:34] <michaelkuijn> coconut axe?
[15:34] <michaelkuijn> Like in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
[15:35] <michaelkuijn> The Judge: Castration! Double castration! *chops coconut*
[15:35] <michaelkuijn> Anyway, null_pointer_ I don't think a fork would be a good idea.
[15:37] <Lux> michaelkuijn: my computer averages at 70.C
[15:37] <michaelkuijn> AAAAAAAAAAH
[15:38] <michaelkuijn> Maybe I'm temperature paranoid... but...
[15:38] <michaelkuijn> I guess /me is paranoid in a lot of ways
[15:39] <null_pointer_> Lux, AMD? ;)
[15:39] <michaelkuijn> Lux, no fans?
[15:39] * michaelkuijn gotta go for a while
[15:40] <Lux> michaelkuijn: AMD.. old fan new processor, no conductive gunk
[15:40] <Lux> michaelkuijn: got a new fan now, averages at 60.C... better, middle of summer tho here, no m'board fan, so i have my room fan blowing onto my case. ... it works a treat :p
[15:42] <null_pointer_> This is crap... freenet is completely broken. What a wonderful stable release.
[15:43] <toad_> <null_pointer_> I would help but toad seems to be the only one who knows the code well enough to actually do something... or break something. - that's no excuse, loads of people help out
[15:43] <toad_> <null_pointer_> Someone should fork the project... - what is your major problem?
[15:43] <toad_> <michaelkuijn> Lux, I compiled my first gentoo system from stage1 last summer.... the case of my Medion was too hot to touch - ouch - what the hell is a Medion? A Duron?
[15:44] <toad_> <null_pointer_> This is crap... freenet is completely broken. What a wonderful stable release. - it is being worked on. SEE THE TOPIC!
[15:44] <toad_> it has been decided that a stable branch reset will help to make things work
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[15:45] <null_pointer_> Are you sure the problem is that interaction with older nodes is causing the problem in this case?
[15:46] <toad_> null_pointer_: well, virtually identical code works reasonably well on unstable
[15:46] <toad_> and 5084 worked well
[15:46] <toad_> so logically it's 5084 + 5085 + 5086 + 5087 + 5088 that messes up
[15:46] <null_pointer_> I'm on unstable right now... I'm getting the same problems.
[15:46] <null_pointer_> Every node I connect to backs off.
[15:46] <toad_> what problems?
[15:46] <toad_> hmmm
[15:46] <toad_> how many nodes are you connected to?
[15:47] <null_pointer_> Just 19 right now.
[15:48] <Lux> We need a new category of phobias.... The Fear of Network Traffic...
[15:48] <galt> TCPophobia?
[15:51] <toad_> null_pointer_: when did you restart?
[15:51] <null_pointer_> An hour ago.
[15:54] <Lux> Ntopophobia?
[15:54] <toad_> well 19 connected nodes => RNFs :|
[15:55] <toad_> I don't know why you'd only have 19 connected nodes though
[15:59] <galt> toad it beats my one ;)
[16:00] <toad_> galt: you on unstable?
[16:01] <toad_> or stable? or newstable?
[16:01] <galt> I just go 89 up a half hour or so ago
[16:02] <galt> I'm not wooried yet, I get nodes by the bunch when they come in
[16:02] <galt> ...assuming the node connecting algo hasn't changed too much
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[16:16] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 24 (0/24/200)
[16:16] <Lux> Uptime: 4 minutes
[16:17] <Lux> i ran it earlier tho
[16:30] * toad_ updates snapshots
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[16:38] * toad_ changes topic to 'Upgrade to 5089 (mandatory reset) | Unstable: Upgrade to 60180 | Logs: http://newton.matcmp.ncc.edu/~lockej/freenet/chanlog/'
[16:38] <toad_> done it
[16:38] <toad_> bbiab
[16:48] * toad_ started the avalanche...
[16:49] <toad_> (everyone upgrade to 5089, it's gone official, you'll probably want to reseed)
[16:50] <toad_> hmmm
[16:50] <toad_> so how can we improve on memory usage when seeding?
[16:51] <toad_> in order to keep it random, we need to read everything into RAM...
[16:51] <toad_> then pick N nodes randomly
[16:51] <toad_> then put them into the RT
[16:52] <toad_> I don't see any way to avoid a temporarily rather high memory usage - except for hacks that would take disproportionate work
[16:52] <toad_> e.g. tracking edges of each seednode, gzipping in memory...
[16:53] <toad_> or another hack that would take too long to run
[16:54] <toad_> oh well, it won't be a problem until stable gets a lot bigger...
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[16:54] <toad_> hi t0nick
[16:54] <toad_> how's your node?
[16:54] <toad_> having problems like everyone else?
[16:55] <t0nick> having some problems with english
[16:55] <t0nick> =)
[16:59] <Lux> its working the best i've seen it work in ages for me lol
[16:59] <toad_> Lux: 5089?
[16:59] <toad_> that's because it's a small network...
[16:59] <Lux> toad_: 5089
[16:59] <toad_> t0nick: welcome to #freenet, how can we help you? Are you running Freenet, http://freenetproject.org/ ? Do you want to? Are you having problems trying to run Freenet?
[16:59] <galt> Lux: wait until it propagates...
[17:02] <Lux> galt: What do you mean?
[17:03] <t0nick> toad_ i have no problems
[17:03] <galt> Lux: early adopters get buttslammed with a mandatory upgrade, as they get to hold the old network together while everybody is starving for seeds
[17:04] <verl> they are coming in hordes now...wish me luck :)
[17:06] <toad_> up to 50 conns
[17:06] <galt> w00t! I have seeds!
[17:06] <toad_> t0nick: you have no problems with freenet at the moment?!
[17:06] * toad_ finds this hard to believe ;)
[17:07] <t0nick> i think so
[17:08] <t0nick> what problems i must have?
[17:09] <toad_> uhmm, constant Route Not Found errors?
[17:09] <toad_> constant Data Not Found errors?
[17:09] <verl> 60 connections now, cpu at around 30%
[17:09] <toad_> crazily high CPU usage?
[17:09] <toad_> very few connections?
[17:09] <toad_> crazily high bandwidth usage?
[17:09] <toad_> all the usual freenet bugginess? :)
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[17:10] <toad_> <toad_> <lolo-laptop> mikeDOTd: 31 nodes generating 12k requests per hour? we have an issue here.
[17:10] <toad_> hmmm
[17:10] <toad_> i'm not sure
[17:10] <toad_> 12k requests per hour is only 12k/20 = 600 requests per hour per node originated
[17:11] <toad_> that's a fair bit...
[17:11] <toad_> but it's not totally incredible...
[17:11] <verl> toad: when all the nodes were integrated, what information where they passing around? filling up datastores?
[17:11] <toad_> verl: actual requests and inserts, probably
[17:11] <toad_> also some announcements and MRIs and so on
[17:12] <toad_> 54 conns
[17:12] <toad_> <greycat> inserts still hang in 5089 (not surprised...)
[17:12] <toad_> greycat: here?
[17:12] <Lux> most sites work for me
[17:12] <Lux> do get some DNF's
[17:12] <Lux> not most
[17:12] <Lux> *
[17:12] <Lux> i mean more than none
[17:12] <Lux> lol
[17:12] <Lux> which was the case in 5088
[17:13] <toad_> hmm
[17:13] * toad_ is on stable 5089
[17:13] <toad_> and i can't get TFHI or FIND
[17:13] <verl> i tried 4 splitfiles about an hour ago, they all went fine, but it hammered my node, so about 10 mins after they finshed i got almost no traffic
[17:13] <Lux> cant find FIND or TFHI
[17:13] <Lux> TFE works
[17:13] <Lux> as do quite a few links
[17:13] <Lux> COE works and yoyo too
[17:13] <verl> but it went back after a while, so rate limiting is working no?
[17:13] <toad_> verl: oooh, interesting...
[17:14] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 33 (4/29/200)
[17:14] <t0nick> please wait few hours. i need translate thouse errors that you say =)
[17:15] <michaelkuijn> toad_, Medion is a well known brand of computers in Europe
[17:17] <michaelkuijn> toad_, These computers are relatively cheap and are sold by the company Aldi - well known for selling all sorts of things cheap.
[17:17] <toad_> hmmm http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/03/terror.threat/index.html - one-time email addresses, posting messages to sites and then downloading at exactly specified times, and then zapping them
[17:17] * robilad is now known as robilad[afk]
[17:17] <toad_> michaelkuijn: ahhh
[17:18] <salahx> ITs been suggested that therem ight be terrorist information being passed stenopgrahically in spam....
[17:18] * toad_ wonders what the next step is...
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[17:19] <Lux> anyone considered SA ?
[17:19] <toad_> salahx: part of my interest here is in how next gen really-hostile-env stego'd p2p comms is going to work
[17:19] <Lux> as a possible problem?
[17:19] <toad_> Lux: SA?
[17:19] <Lux> SomethingAwful
[17:19] <Lux> .com
[17:19] <toad_> why would a web site be a possible problem to us?
[17:20] <Lux> Its the community of goons
[17:20] <Lux> who attack anything they dont like
[17:20] <Lux> DDoS.. letters to ISPs etc etc
[17:20] <michaelkuijn> Good (morning|afternoon|evening|night) everybody... I'm going to sleep - and try to keep my node on-line
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[17:20] <Lux> well, freenet certainly contains a lot of contraversial material
[17:20] <toad_> Lux: any DDoS network with a traceable center isn't going to get very far
[17:21] <toad_> they'll have to limit their efforts to what is more or less within the law
[17:21] <Lux> just saying, keep an eye on those losers
[17:21] <salahx> i never even ehard of them 'till now
[17:22] <Lux> they attack anything realted to paraphilias.. well freenet carries everything lol
[17:23] <Lux> they DDoS'd an anime site recently, cos it contained some contraverisal subjects
[17:23] <Lux> contraversial*
[17:24] <toad_> |Being a satire / comedy site, Something Awful has offended its fair share of sensitive targets. Unfortunately, as years and years of endless court cases and lawsuits have taught us, the only way to indicate your displeasure with an individual is by immediately launching into the threat of legal action. 20 years from now, the only profitable jobs will be religious leaders and lawyers. Luckily for us, Something Awful is being defended
[17:24] <toad_> world's most (in)famous lawyer, Leonard "J." Crabs.
[17:24] <verl> they're all made up by lowtax :)
[17:25] <Lux> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=140a9ce6b98e7987f6f095f899d02f7c&threadid=1162738&perpage=40&pagenumber=2
[17:25] <toad_> Lux: paraphilias?
[17:25] <toad_> you mean paedophilia?
[17:25] <Lux> toad_: anything that ends in philia.. and add "furries" whatever they are to that list.
[17:25] <verl> the owner, i don't think sa would attack freenet, although they have gone a little out of control in the last years
[17:25] <salahx> Freenet is meant to be resisant agaisnt DoS attacks
[17:26] <salahx> Freenet has stood up against Slashdot before :)
[17:26] <Lux> lol
[17:27] <toad_> ugh
[17:27] <toad_> idiots
[17:27] <toad_> "lets post some perverted URLs and download them illegally and wank over them and get really hor^Wirate"
[17:28] <Lux> lol
[17:28] <Lux> probably true
[17:28] <toad_> <salahx> Freenet has stood up against Slashdot before :) - not very well, actually
[17:28] <Lux> toad_: What happened?
[17:28] <toad_> freenet is good against slashdotting
[17:28] <toad_> except when we get a LOT of new nodes in one day
[17:28] <toad_> most of which then die
[17:28] <toad_> that's what happens when we have a major release
[17:28] <toad_> IMHO we can make freenet resilient to such things though
[17:28] <toad_> bbl
[17:32] <Lux> ~conversation stops~
[17:32] <Lux> Shame no universities / colleges / people with lots of computers have taken up on the idea of freenet
[17:34] <Lux> ok heres a pitch...
[17:34] <Lux> http://stats.distributed.net/participant/plist.php?project_id=8&low=1&limit=100
[17:34] <Lux> email the top 100 or so of these peeps
[17:34] <Lux> asking if they would like to help out with free software / free speech
[17:35] <hobx> yes
[17:35] <hobx> spamming is always popular!
[17:35] <Lux> ok, top 10
[17:35] <Lux> one at a time
[17:35] <Lux> personally
[17:35] <Lux> they have a lot of computing power there
[17:35] <Lux> and perhaps bandwidth
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[17:37] <Toast> oops... mised my chance to help with the prestable net
[17:38] <Lux> wb greycat
[17:38] * greycat waves
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[17:39] <galt> greycat: so now we have a sparc, whenm can we expect you to fire up freenet on one of your hp-uxes ;)
[17:39] <greycat> hah
[17:40] <galt> java on thoses beasts might be a bit harder
[17:40] <greycat> if you want a half-serious answer to that, "whenever kaffe runs freenet, and works on hp-ux 10.20"
[17:40] <salahx> well once nio works in classpath....
[17:40] <greycat> a real (but boring) answer would be more like "never"
[17:40] <galt> ie, when I have to run kaffee on a Sun
[17:41] <galt> that sounds SO wrong
[17:41] * greycat laughs
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[17:42] <greycat> do I need to screw with freenet-ext.jar or seednodes.ref when upgrading from 5088-and-then-KenMan's-5089 to official-5089?
[17:42] <salahx> KenMan 5089 and the "offical" 5089 are the same
[17:42] <greycat> or just update the freenet.jar, fire it up, and step back?
[17:43] <greycat> well, here goes
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[17:45] <Lux> WAIT
[17:45] <Lux> has freenetproject.org
[17:45] <Lux> been updated now then
[17:45] <Lux> with 5089?
[17:46] <greycat> open connections shot up *fast*.
[17:46] <salahx> yep
[17:46] <Lux> darn
[17:46] <Lux> lol
[17:46] <greycat> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 27 (6/21/200)
[17:46] <Lux> CARRY ON
[17:46] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 25 (15/10)
[17:46] <greycat> Data waiting to be transmitted/received 3,048 Bytes/None
[17:46] <greycat> Amount of data transmitted/received over currently open connections 1,343 KiB/1,112 KiB
[17:46] <greycat> Total amount of data transmitted/received 1,542 KiB/1,246 KiB
[17:46] <greycat> Number of distinct nodes connected 27
[17:48] <verl> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 68 (55/13/200)
[17:48] <verl> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 85 (29/56)
[17:48] <verl> Total amount of data transmitted/received 1 255 MiB/1 139 MiB
[17:48] <verl> Number of distinct nodes connected 68
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[17:49] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 38 (10/28/200)
[17:49] <Lux> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 38 (19/19)
[17:49] <Lux> Total amount of data transmitted/received 13 MiB/17 MiB
[17:49] <Lux> Number of distinct nodes connected 38
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[17:50] <Pascal> I upgraded to 5089 this morning, just came home and I see some wierd errors on the console:
[17:50] <galt> verl: give me your seednodes.ref!
[17:50] <Pascal> Current sdb: sense key Medium Error
[17:51] <Pascal> Additional sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
[17:51] <Pascal> end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 120099036
[17:51] <verl> galt: i tried this a while ago, but the one i exported from my node didn't contain any nodes, not sure why
[17:52] <Pascal> any idea where that come from? box seems to be hung now
[17:52] <greycat> Pascal: OUCH!
[17:52] <galt> Pascal: you disk is fucked
[17:52] <Pascal> :(
[17:52] <greycat> Pascal: hardware error, either disk, cable or controller
[17:52] <greycat> most likely disk
[17:53] <Pascal> is there a particular recovery procedure?
[17:53] <salahx> Buy a new disk :)
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[17:53] <verl> when does ones seednodes get updated? when you restart?
[17:54] <greycat> your node updates its routing table (rt*) files all the time, seednodes is only read if it's newer than the rt* files
[17:54] <Lux> do u have a CD Writer?
[17:55] <Lux> wait...
[17:55] * Lux gets deja-vu
[17:55] <Lux> Did u ask this a few hours ago?
[17:55] * Pascal is now known as Pascal666
[17:55] <verl> greycat: but say i wanted to share my nodes knowledege of freenet, how will i do this?
[17:55] <greycat> ooooh, pftop is neat-o. If I increase the window size, new columns appear.
[17:56] <greycat> verl: download your noderefs, save as a text file, publish
[17:56] <greycat> http://127.0.0.1:8888/servlet/nodestatus/noderefs.txt?minCP=0.0&minConnections=1
[17:57] <verl> ah, because on windows you can right click your icon and do export noderef but it doesn't work
[17:57] <greycat> the "STATE" column in pftop changed from N:N (numbers) to "ESTABLISHED:ESTABLISHED" when I went wide enough.
[18:00] <Pascal666> sda and sdb are a mirrored set, so I hopefully have not lost any data, but anyone know where I can find the recovery procedure?
[18:01] <greycat> try a linux channel, and good luck... I've never done software raid on linux
[18:02] <ejhuff> 40 (21/19) Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving)
[18:02] <ejhuff> 259 MiB/174 MiB Amount of data transmitted/received over currently open connections
[18:02] <ejhuff> 451 MiB/282 MiB Total amount of data transmitted/received
[18:02] <ejhuff> 78 Number of distinct nodes connected
[18:02] <Pascal666> thanks
[18:02] <ejhuff> 16 hours 0 minutes Uptime
[18:02] <ejhuff> # Histogram of node versions in fred's Routing table
[18:02] <ejhuff> # Aug 4, 2004 6:15:17 PM
[18:02] <ejhuff> # nodes: 937
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.49,5058 1
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.49,5065 1
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5068 1
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5069 3
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5070 4
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5076 1
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5078 1
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5082 10
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5083 6
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5084 308
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5085 5
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5086 47
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5087 18
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5088 437
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5089 90
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.6,1.47,6411 1
[18:02] <ejhuff> Fred,0.6,1.51,60178 1
[18:02] <ejhuff> unknown 2
[18:03] <ejhuff> Build 6411 (!)
[18:05] <iip_i2p> <bob> thats a hell of a routing table
[18:07] <salahx> yeah, that CAN'T be right...
[18:09] <salahx> myn ode show all 6089 here...
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[18:09] <salahx> did you delete your odl rotuer tables before isntalling 5089 ?
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[18:13] <salahx> I wonder since wer're are incldung GMP, woudl it speed up the FEC stuff too ?
[18:24] <lolo-laptop> Current upstream bandwidth usage 67848 bytes/second (141.3%)
[18:24] <lolo-laptop> mutter death kill :-P
[18:24] <salahx> well it IS a netowrk reset...
[18:24] <lolo-laptop> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 80 (69/11/200)
[18:24] <lolo-laptop> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 226 (121/105)
[18:24] <greycat> Current upstream bandwidth usage12475 bytes/second (104%)
[18:25] <greycat> I've never had a problem with the bwlimiting (at least assuming Freenet's honest about its numbers)
[18:25] <lolo-laptop> freenet is honest... bwlimiting has never liked me
[18:25] <salahx> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 38 (0/38/200)
[18:25] <salahx> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 39 (15/24)
[18:25] <lolo-laptop> I'm beginning to wonder if stable is only 400 nodes...
[18:25] <salahx> that si somewwhat high...
[18:26] <salahx> the "new? stable problem IS currently, it?ll increase as people upgrade
[18:26] <lolo-laptop> no, I mean the whole stable...
[18:27] <lolo-laptop> # unique contacts: 954, active connections: 0 or maybe it is 1000 nodes...
[18:28] <lolo-laptop> what reason do we have for belieing it is bigger than that?
[18:29] <salahx> well 954 unquie contacts beens at least 954 nodes I think...
[18:29] <lolo-laptop> yea
[18:29] <verl> can any of you browse good? it has degraded with all these new nodes, at least for me
[18:29] <salahx> I bleeive someone did soem node harversting some time ago, adn conculded there were at least 1,500 nodes on Freenet
[18:29] <lolo-laptop> it may well have shrunk significantly since then
[18:30] <salahx> or grown significaly
[18:30] <lolo-laptop> I'm interested in getting a very high uptime node and seeing how many unique nodes it 'meets'
[18:32] <salahx> that seems ot vbe hte big question most people want to know abotu Freenet: how many nodes are out there
[18:33] <salahx> probabyl it would be easier to count het number of downlaods from the site for an estimate
[18:38] <greycat> that might be a good estimate of the number of actively maintained nodes
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[18:39] <Zorix> what exactly is reset in 5089 and what other changes?
[18:39] <Zorix> i havent upgraded because it probably will break things heh
[18:39] <lolo-laptop> Zorix: the network is reset, 5089 will not talk to previous versions...
[18:39] <Zorix> figured
[18:39] <Zorix> thats the only change?
[18:40] <lolo-laptop> Zorix: at this point, at least 100 nodes are on 5089, so it is safe to go for it
[18:40] <Zorix> i might in a bit
[18:44] <ejhuff> salahx: Originally there were only a few nodes in my RT. The earlier nodes opened connections to me.
[18:45] <kork> i'm having 67 connections
[18:45] <Zorix> i guess i got to reseed
[18:45] <salahx> only 49 here
[18:45] <salahx> yep
[18:45] <kork> and i started with ONE node in my seednodes... toad's
[18:45] <kork> 17 hours ago =)
[18:45] <lolo-laptop> Zorix: not necessarily... at this point, some of your old routes are probably actually newstable... so your node would probably find it's way
[18:45] <lolo-laptop> but reseeding wouldn't hurt
[18:45] <kork> 712MB of bandwidth wasted ;-)
[18:45] <Zorix> i couldnt make any connections
[18:45] <lolo-laptop> 5G 'wasted' in 20 hours
[18:46] <kork> i only have 8 outbound conns left
[18:46] <greycat> kork: just think of it in terms of kiddie-pr0n images.
[18:46] <lolo-laptop> Zorix: nvm, too hard to explain, reseeding will probably work faster
[18:46] <kork> rest is inbound
[18:46] <kork> greycat: yeah, that kinda makes me horny
[18:46] <Zorix> i know what you mean lolo-laptop im not a newbie
[18:46] <lolo-laptop> Zorix: hehe ok :)
[18:46] <lolo-laptop> whee, I've met 25 new nodes... 969 and counting
[18:47] <kork> okay, "i, robot" officially kicks ass... i HAD to say that
[18:48] <salahx> o crap
[18:48] <salahx> I jsut figured out why my nodes isn?ty working right
[18:48] <salahx> I fogot the change the wording port on my firewall!
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[18:50] <salahx> ok fixed
[18:50] <Zorix> blah shouldnt have updated
[18:51] <salahx> you know, it might not be a bad idea to big something in big, red, flashing letter in the fprxy homepage that?s you?re ?not contactable?
[18:52] <greycat> salahx: someone has replaced all your punctuation (except commas) with random control characters
[18:53] <salahx> sometihng wronf with my quotes
[18:53] <greycat> that^Rs you^Rre ^Snot contactable^T
[18:53] <salahx> only in mIRC though...
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[18:54] <salahx> that is odd...
[18:54] <salahx> leem restart mIRC...
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[18:55] <salahx> Ok, that's better!
[18:56] <salahx> WOW now my RT is increasing rapidly
[18:56] <greycat> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 86 (61/25/200)
[18:56] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 27 (10/17)
[18:56] <salahx> I;ve already agained 30 nodes in under 5 minutes
[18:56] <greycat> not bad...
[18:57] <greycat> and so far (*wood->knock*) I'm not suffering my uberlag symptoms
[18:57] <verl> greycat: give inserts a try :-)
[18:57] <greycat> verl: inserted tomorrow's edition of my site a little while back, but that's a very small insert since I didn't throw --delete in it
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[19:02] <greycat> --skipDS on an FEC splitfile insert still doesn't skip DS on the data/check blocks
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[19:13] <Lux> are "failed to send" messages normal?
[19:13] <greycat> switch to advanced mode
[19:13] <salahx> yeah, unfotunately
[19:14] <Lux> what does it mean?
[19:14] <Lux> failed to send what?
[19:14] <Lux> like a request was made
[19:14] <salahx> The connection died, and the other side is eitherdown or NAT'd
[19:14] <Lux> ok
[19:14] <Lux> thought so
[19:14] <salahx> now WHY the conenction are breaking is another matter...
[19:15] <Lux> yea lol
[19:15] <greycat> oh, you mean SendFailedException in the logfile?
[19:16] <Lux> yea
[19:16] <Lux> and got
[19:17] <Lux> "Message timeout on queue (non-terminal)"
[19:17] <salahx> means we waited until timeout the send the emssage, was'nt able to. "Non-terminal" mean nonfatal; we'll try again
[19:17] <salahx> After 6 times, the nodes gives up, and terminated the routing operation
[19:18] <Lux> ok
[19:18] <Lux> why doesnt the log file say that then!
[19:18] <Lux> there should be a "human log" file :p
[19:19] <salahx> the other one youi'l lsee that does'nt mkae a lot fo sesne is "State does not recieve"
[19:19] <Lux> lol
[19:19] <Lux> Node in the US? :p (bad joke)
[19:20] <greycat> Aug 4, 2004 7:32:06 PM (freenet.node.states.request.RequestDone, YThread-18, NORMAL): Got ridiculously late DataReply on freenet.node.states.request.RequestDone@5b9035 @ 2d66cc6436711d80
[19:20] <salahx> lol
[19:20] <Lux> i get a lot of fixKeys
[19:20] <Lux> but i assume thats good?
[19:20] <salahx> dunno
[19:20] <salahx> I thing its a logging bug acutlally
[19:21] <Lux> "failed to insert data with CB"?
[19:21] <Lux> sorry for all the questions
[19:21] <salahx> there are the error codes
[19:21] <Lux> but #freenet seems quiet
[19:21] <salahx> they all in the form CB_SOMETHING
[19:22] <salahx> IF we can't complete a trailer ("rtailer" are teh actual data), in 5 minutes, we send a kill message to the other node and give up
[19:22] <salahx> there other CB_ conditions too
[19:22] <Lux> ok
[19:23] <Lux> "Not our NoStoreData:" ?
[19:23] <salahx> tha'ta new one
[19:23] <salahx> StoreData is the message internall send to ode itself to acutally store the data we recieve
[19:24] <salahx> YIPE
[19:24] <Lux> ok
[19:25] <Lux> ?
[19:25] <salahx> Y freenet.log is 23 GB is size !
[19:25] <Lux> lol
[19:27] <salahx> GRRR: ERROR: Logging too fast, chopped 1001 lines, 1440000 bytes in memory
[19:27] <salahx> not good
[19:27] <greycat> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 94 (69/25/200)
[19:27] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 74 (38/36)
[19:27] <greycat> ntpd is starting to get 3- and 4-second delays on the upstream time sources
[19:27] <Lux> ntpd?
[19:27] <salahx> Nite Time PRotocol daemon
[19:27] <Lux> whats that?
[19:27] <salahx> err Netowrk Time PRotocol daemon
[19:28] <salahx> is used for syncing up clocks
[19:28] <Lux> oo lol
[19:28] <Lux> silly me
[19:28] <Lux> i saw ntpd and for some damn reason.. i was thinking nntp
[19:28] <Lux> LOL
[19:28] <salahx> nntp is Usenet
[19:29] <Lux> yes i know
[19:29] <Lux> thats why i asked what ntpd was
[19:29] <Lux> cos it didnt look right :p
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[19:32] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 54 (21/33/200)
[19:32] <Lux> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 45 (22/23)
[19:32] <Lux> Total amount of data transmitted/received 72 MiB/91 MiB
[19:32] <Lux> Number of distinct nodes connected 54
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[19:32] <Lux> Uptime
[19:32] <Lux>
[19:32] <Lux>
[19:32] <Lux> 2 hours 3 minutes
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[19:37] <Lux> hey lost
[19:37] <lostlogic> hey
[19:38] <greycat> Lag: 6
[19:38] <greycat> 5-6 second delays on ntpd
[19:40] <greycat> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 95 (71/24/200)
[19:40] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 74 (41/33)
[19:42] <Lux> so anyone found FIND yet? on 5089?
[19:43] <greycat> note that the day just changed...
[19:43] <lostlogic> I was about to say that...
[19:43] <lostlogic> I don't have any of the DBRs ATM
[19:43] <greycat> Lag: 8.86 |
[19:43] <Lux> ok
[19:43] <Lux> well FIND hasnt been there
[19:43] <Lux> on 5089
[19:43] <Lux> since i started it
[19:43] <Lux> about 4 hours ago
[19:43] <Lux> TFE / COFE and such has been
[19:44] <Lux> Data Not Found
[19:44] <Lux> for FIND
[19:46] <Lux> wait
[19:46] <Lux> FIND works
[19:46] <Lux> :D
[19:46] <Lux> yay
[19:47] <lostlogic> hmm... find is not on my bookmarks page ATM... what is it's key?
[19:47] <Lux> SSK@IWmzQkYKOlOefQoWbGCQSrkS3vsPAgM,NzRr-Pj88cVT0bN~1urLVg/FIND//
[19:47] <Lux> is that the right thing?
[19:47] <lostlogic> ya, thanks
[19:48] <lostlogic> RNF
[19:48] <greycat> looks right
[19:48] <lostlogic> stupid freenet
[19:48] <Lux> lol
[19:48] <greycat> I'm getting DNFs instead of RNFs, so that's good.
[19:48] <lostlogic> I get mostly RNFs still
[19:48] <greycat> Now if I could just get my lag under control...
[19:49] * greycat wonders if he could coax fred into never opening any outgoing connections; just letting incoming ones get in. Hmm... the firewall *could* do that.
[19:49] <Lux> a packet filter?
[19:49] <salahx> but why ?
[19:49] <Lux> iptables
[19:49] <Lux> possibly
[19:49] <Lux> lol if u do
[19:49] <Lux> will u get that working for eMule too :p
[19:50] <greycat> because incoming connections go to a specific port, so I can filter them (lower priority). Outgoing connections all go from random ports to random ports.
[19:50] <greycat> OpenBSD PF
[19:50] <lostlogic> greycat: iptables can filter by destination port on outgoing I think
[19:50] <lostlogic> ermh wait that doesn't work either
[19:50] <lostlogic> bloody.
[19:51] <salahx> there is a --pid and --owner target
[19:51] <greycat> the only thing I can think of would be putting iptables on the Linux box (blech!) and then filtering by UID
[19:51] <salahx> o well fi its OpenBSD dunno about that
[19:51] <greycat> the problem is freenet is *inside* the NAT firewall
[19:52] <Lux> my freenet is inside a NAT with firewall
[19:52] <Lux> downloaded a file...
[19:52] <Lux> to find it ws stored on the node
[19:52] <toad_> hi
[19:52] <Lux> not on the place where i wanted it
[19:52] <Lux> :p
[19:52] <toad_> Lux: huh
[19:52] <toad_> ?
[19:52] <toad_> ah
[19:52] <toad_> the splitfile download servlet?
[19:52] <greycat> Lag: 10.69 |
[19:52] <Lux> i was like...
[19:52] <toad_> by default it stores it in a download dir
[19:52] <Lux> "wheres it gone?"
[19:52] <greycat> @4000000041117afc20d70d14 reply from 128.2.129.21: offset 1.473344 delay 6.841330, next query 116s
[19:52] <Lux> then realised it was on my laptop
[19:52] <toad_> it's a lot easier to do that then send it through the browser for various reasons
[19:52] <Lux> cos i chose force save to disk
[19:53] <Lux> yea
[19:53] <toad_> no, not that one
[19:53] <toad_> download directly to folder
[19:53] <greycat> Lux: "freenet-downloads" in the freenet main dir
[19:53] <Lux> ok
[19:53] <Lux> u give it a key n it downloads?
[19:54] <toad_> <greycat> if you want a half-serious answer to that, "whenever kaffe runs freenet, and works on hp-ux 10.20" - doesn't kaffe run on hp-ux?
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[19:55] <greycat> toad_: it has intermittently compiled itself. It has never *worked* for anything major AFAIK (and usually blows up when trying to finish the build process)
[19:55] <greycat> hp-ux = teh suck :)
[19:55] <salahx> hp-ux = HP-SUX :)
[19:55] <greycat> but really, all of our hp-ux boxes are small, old, and busy.
[19:56] <toad_> <verl> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 85 (29/56) - that's not good
[19:56] <greycat> running freenet on one of them would be insane
[19:56] <toad_> you running frost? or some big splitfiel downloads?
[19:56] <toad_> <Pascal> Current sdb: sense key Medium Error
[19:56] <toad_> <Pascal> Additional sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
[19:56] <toad_> <Pascal> end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 120099036
[19:56] <toad_> eeek
[19:56] <toad_> your disk is dead
[19:56] <lostlogic> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 100 (85/15/200)
[19:56] <lostlogic> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 285 (139/146)
[19:56] <lostlogic> Data waiting to be transferred 5,636 Bytes
[19:56] <lostlogic> Total amount of data transferred 5,408 MiB
[19:56] <greycat> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 88 (63/25/200)
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[19:56] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 81 (46/35)
[19:57] <greycat> ^^ no frost, no splitfiles in progress
[19:57] <lostlogic> I'm running only requests for FIND and TFE (both at DNF ATM)
[19:57] <greycat> lolo: AIEE!!
[19:57] * lostlogic 's node gets pummeled.
[19:57] <salahx> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 93 (55/38/200)
[19:57] <salahx> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 53 (16/37)
[19:57] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 53 (20/33/200)
[19:57] <Lux> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 41 (10/31)
[19:57] <salahx> and increasing :(
[19:57] <Lux> Total amount of data transmitted/received 87 MiB/107 MiB
[19:57] <Lux> Number of distinct nodes connected 53
[19:58] <toad_> <salahx> I wonder since wer're are incldung GMP, woudl it speed up the FEC stuff too ? - we already have native FEC libraries
[19:58] <lostlogic> Smoothed local mean traffic (queries per hour): 11472.220
[19:58] <toad_> <lolo-laptop> Current upstream bandwidth usage 67848 bytes/second (141.3%) - stable or unstable?
[19:58] <lostlogic> unstable code, stable network (as per my usual)
[19:58] <Lux> lol: DataNotFound 3223/2886
[19:59] <Lux> Smoothed local mean traffic (queries per hour): 3734.099
[19:59] <toad_> <salahx> probabyl it would be easier to count het number of downlaods from the site for an estimate - over a million by THAT estimate. it's not very reliable!
[19:59] <greycat> toad_: a million *distinct* addresses?
[20:00] <toad_> <greycat> kork: just think of it in terms of kiddie-pr0n images. - /me thinks of it as anti-$cientology propaganda pages!
[20:00] <salahx> there's been a million downlaods of 5089 ?!
[20:01] <toad_> <salahx> you know, it might not be a bad idea to big something in big, red, flashing letter in the fprxy homepage that?s you?re ?not contactable? - definitely a good idea
[20:01] <toad_> salahx: nope
[20:01] <toad_> of freenet, over all time
[20:01] <toad_> that means we have wasted a fuck of a lot of people's time ;)
[20:01] <salahx> lol
[20:01] <greycat> queue dns priority 6 priq( red )
[20:01] <greycat> [ pkts: 46554 bytes: 3162215 dropped pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
[20:01] <greycat> [ qlength: 0/ 50 ]
[20:01] <greycat> [ measured: 3.9 packets/s, 2.03Kb/s ]
[20:02] * greycat wonders what the hell is generating all the DNS traffic, and why interactive "host" lookups fail
[20:02] <greycat> that is *so weird*!
[20:02] <toad_> <greycat> --skipDS on an FEC splitfile insert still doesn't skip DS on the data/check blocks - sorry, will work on it
[20:03] <greycat> well, I guess interactive lookups fail simply because they give up too quickly, and the response arrives after the client has said "fuck it" ... but what's generating 2-3 Kbps on UDP 53?
[20:03] <toad_> <Lux> Node in the US? :p (bad joke) - /me should add one! ;)
[20:03] <lostlogic> greycat: all the tried and failed DNS queries each coming back just after it's been retried and forgotten about?
[20:03] <Lux> KenMan's trojan that he put into 5089 of course :p
[20:04] <greycat> heh
[20:04] <Lux> i bet hes on his terminal now
[20:04] <toad_> along with "Node in China. I REALLY hope you read the bit in the README about us not being responsible when they bill your family for costs incurred executing you..."
[20:04] <Lux> netcatting' everyone connection to /dev/hell
[20:05] <greycat> hmm, ok, dns traffic has tapered off to nothing now...
[20:05] <toad_> <salahx> Y freenet.log is 23 GB is size ! - woah, what's it full of?
[20:05] <Lux> ah ha! we've found him out :p
[20:05] <lostlogic> greycat: think it could be your node trying to reverse lookup every incoming node that connects or something???
[20:05] <toad_> and how long a period does that cover?
[20:05] <salahx> 20 hours
[20:06] <salahx> tis full of these: fixKeys added sun.nio.ch.SelectionKeyImpl@b57e8b
[20:06] <greycat> lostlogic: more likely to be coming from my mail server trying to deliver spam-bounces... :-/
[20:06] * lostlogic not quite that bad, but also quite a lot of those
[20:06] <lostlogic> greycat: hahaha
[20:06] <toad_> anyone got lots of receiving transfers?
[20:06] <salahx> yep
[20:07] <greycat> lostlogic: although that should drop a bit, because I implemented greylisting a couple days ago
[20:07] * toad_ only has 1.50 lag
[20:07] <greycat> Lag: 11.72 |
[20:07] <greycat> queue std priority 4 priq( red default )
[20:07] <greycat> [ pkts: 2531280 bytes: 276180434 dropped pkts: 7923 bytes: 722048 ]
[20:07] <greycat> [ qlength: 2/ 50 ]
[20:07] <greycat> [ measured: 29.7 packets/s, 39.17Kb/s ]
[20:07] <greycat> That's the default queue, and includes all the freenet *outgoing* connections... and my IRC connection.
[20:07] <lostlogic> greycat: my server doesn't bounce spam, it just gets bogofiltered away from me
[20:08] <greycat> queue fn priority 2 priq( red )
[20:08] <greycat> [ pkts: 569325 bytes: 111895156 dropped pkts: 4189 bytes: 899955 ]
[20:08] <greycat> [ qlength: 13/ 50 ]
[20:08] <greycat> [ measured: 45.3 packets/s, 81.82Kb/s ]
[20:08] <greycat> and that's the proper freenet queue
[20:08] <toad_> <lostlogic> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 285 (139/146) - WOAH
[20:08] <greycat> indeed.
[20:08] <toad_> lostlogic: how is that possible? and do you have lots and LOTS of threads in DataStateInitiator?
[20:09] <lostlogic> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 88
[20:09] <lostlogic> freenet.node.states.data.TrailerWriteCallbackMessage:true:true 44
[20:09] <lostlogic>
[20:09] <toad_> <toad_> <lolo-laptop> Current upstream bandwidth usage 67848 bytes/second (141.3%) - stable or unstable?
[20:09] <toad_> <lostlogic> unstable code, stable network (as per my usual)
[20:09] <toad_> okay, that's probably due to the non-working rate limiting changes
[20:09] <toad_> which are not in stable
[20:09] <lostlogic> hmm... my bad... *switches to stable stable*
[20:10] <toad_> who is on stable that has crazy receiving numbers?
[20:10] <greycat> define crazy
[20:10] <toad_> and do they correspond to DataStateInitiator threads?
[20:10] <toad_> >20
[20:10] <salahx> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 34 (7/27)
[20:10] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving)79 (50/29)
[20:10] <verl> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 83 (20/63)
[20:11] <Lux> im on stable
[20:11] <verl> pending between 80 and 100
[20:11] <Lux> what u after?
[20:11] <salahx> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 23
[20:11] <Lux> and where do i find it?
[20:11] <salahx> freenet.node.states.data.TrailerWriteCallbackMessage:true:true 20
[20:11] <salahx>
[20:11] <greycat> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 23
[20:11] <greycat> Lux: on the Environment page
[20:12] <toad_> <greycat> lostlogic: more likely to be coming from my mail server trying to deliver spam-bounces... :-/ - how can we check it's not freenet?
[20:12] <Lux> for which YThread?
[20:13] <lostlogic> Lux: the overall thread stats
[20:13] <verl> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 48
[20:13] <Lux> threads used?
[20:13] * ninja_ (im10ninjas@modem-2644.iguana.dialup.pol.co.uk) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
[20:13] <Lux> reenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 48
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[20:13] <Lux> freenet*
[20:13] <greycat> toad_: I don't have that sort of granularity for checking everything, unless I do some insane tcpdump logging or PF logging, which is a bit over my head right now
[20:13] <toad_> hmmm
[20:14] <toad_> they're not far off...
[20:14] <toad_> there is a discrepancy but not a huge one... hmmm
[20:14] <toad_> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 104 (81/23/200)
[20:14] <toad_> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 41 (20/21)
[20:14] <lostlogic> I gotta get a faster datastore drive, filesystem init takes too damn long
[20:14] * toad_ wonders... WHY? freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 15
[20:15] <Lux> what is meant to corresponde toad_?
[20:15] <toad_> well i suppose 20 isn't that high over a 192kB/sec link...
[20:15] <greycat> toad_: mine's got a huge discrepancy too (79 vs 23)
[20:15] <toad_> 60 otoh is a bit high
[20:15] <toad_> <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving)79 (50/29) vs <greycat> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 23
[20:15] <toad_> greycat: no, it's 29 vs 23
[20:15] <toad_> that's not huge
[20:15] <toad_> DSIs are only run for receives
[20:15] <toad_> not for sends
[20:16] <greycat> oh.
[20:16] <Lux> what do i need to compare?
[20:16] <verl> also cpu usage is diffrent, from 20-30% to 60-80% now
[20:16] <toad_> they shouldn't be run for either really but i never got around to doing full blown NIO on all trailer stuff
[20:16] <lostlogic> Lux: open connections page transfers vs. threads in datastateinitiator
[20:16] <greycat> Lux: active transfers are on the open connections page (hint: put it in connections mode ASAP)
[20:16] <toad_> active transfers RECEIVING
[20:16] <toad_> not sending (show us sending too though)
[20:17] <toad_> versus freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator count on Environment page
[20:18] <lostlogic> whee, moments after starting up on stable stable, I'm at 120%bw, hopefully it'll regulate itself now.
[20:19] <greycat> FIND says: Total Sites: 666
[20:20] <lostlogic> greycat: !
[20:20] <greycat> 666! would be a very very large number... ;-)
[20:20] * lostlogic sighs ... "geeks..."
[20:21] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 59 (21/38/200)
[20:21] <Lux> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 64 (23/41)
[20:21] <Lux> Data waiting to be transmitted/received 877 Bytes/None
[20:21] <Lux> Amount of data transmitted/received over currently open connections 69 MiB/106 MiB
[20:21] <Lux> Total amount of data transmitted/received 103 MiB/143 MiB
[20:21] <Lux> Number of distinct nodes connected 59
[20:22] <Lux> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 38
[20:22] <Lux> anything else needed?
[20:23] <lostlogic> impressive, 86 connections at 10 minutes uptime
[20:23] <greycat> I got connections very very quickly, too
[20:23] <lostlogic> bandwidth is settling down, good.
[20:23] <Lux> why would 59 nodes back off?
[20:24] <Lux> what does backing off mean anyway in a RNF?
[20:24] <salahx> Well fi too many nodes are backed off quests will ahvenowher to go
[20:25] <greycat> I'm getting a consistent 100-105 kbps outbound in the freenet queue, which is ~13 kBps... but I suspect there's pppoe overhead involved in that, too. I'm also seeing 10-30 kbps outbound in the default queue, which is *probably* mostly freenet traffic.
[20:25] <lostlogic> salahx: how's typing working out for you ATM?
[20:25] <salahx> not so good ate too much
[20:25] <verl> why must i try the same backed off nodes all the time! can't it try some other ones?
[20:25] <Lux> lol
[20:25] <salahx> It does, but then more requests go to less nodes, then they back off...
[20:26] <salahx> which elaven even less nodes for the smae nubmero f reuqats so more reuests to the remoain nodes which back off which...
[20:26] * Lux gets out yenc for salahx's last message
[20:26] * toad_ hmmm
[20:26] <greycat> it's scary that I can actually read that.
[20:26] <toad_> why so many xfers now?
[20:26] <toad_> I saw crazy numbers on KenMan's node too...
[20:27] <Lux> is my node alright?/
[20:27] <Lux> anyone?
[20:27] <Lux> ive got 128kbit... 14kbyte upload stream for Freenet.. ridiculously small i knw
[20:27] <salahx> if flames aren't coming out of it then probably OK
[20:27] <salahx> tha'ts about what we all have
[20:27] <lostlogic> Lux: that's fine... about normal, I'd guess...
[20:27] <greycat> Lux: and what did you set the outgoing limit to?
[20:27] <Lux> it will be about 24 next week or two.. when i get my other network traffic hosted :p
[20:28] <Lux> outgoing? thats like.. upload from me? to 14kbyte
[20:29] <greycat> Lux: if you have a 128 kbps line, you probably want to set the outgoing limit to 10 kBytes or less
[20:30] <greycat> especially if it's PPPoE which has overhead
[20:30] <lostlogic> greycat: he limits it to 128kbps, he has 256 IIRC
[20:30] <lostlogic> greycat: saves the rest for his silly little website *duck*
[20:30] <greycat> ah.
[20:30] <Lux> greycat: i have a 256kbps line
[20:31] <greycat> well that's ok then :)
[20:31] <Lux> lostlogic: which will be hosted in the next week or so THANKYOU
[20:31] * lostlogic grins
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[20:31] <greycat> my web site has priority over freenet, which has priority over gift, which has priority over the *other* web site
[20:31] <Lux> o and ive told our mutual friend u wear green lipstick for that LL.
[20:31] * Lux grins
[20:32] <greycat> freenet and gift get the vast majority of the bandwidth, and I rely on freenet's built in limiting to keep it from starving gift
[20:32] <greycat> both of them starve the *other* web site, but that's ok
[20:32] <toad_> okay, so are we leaking receives, or not?
[20:33] <toad_> the overwhelming majority of receives appear to correspond to actual receive threads...
[20:33] <toad_> so probably not
[20:33] <Lux> again... im stupid.. how can i tell if im leaking
[20:33] * hirvox (~hirvox@cs181027153.pp.htv.fi) Quit (Success)
[20:33] <toad_> Lux: umm, didn't we tell you?
[20:33] <toad_> http://127.0.0.1:8888/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm?setMode=Connection
[20:33] <toad_> mine says:
[20:33] <greycat> Lux: you have 41 transfers receiving, and 38 DataStateInitiators
[20:34] <toad_> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 22 (7/15)
[20:34] <Lux> greycat: is that good?
[20:34] <greycat> toad_: bah, you can have some of mine!
[20:34] <greycat> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving)84 (46/38)
[20:34] * toad_ (toad@toad-with-underline.active.supporter.pdpc) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[20:35] <greycat> Damned peers!
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[20:36] <Lux> wb toad
[20:36] <Lux> we need a newsgroup
[20:36] <Lux> free.freenet :p
[20:36] <toad_> grrr
[20:36] <toad_> Lux: why? we have mailing lists
[20:37] <Lux> true
[20:37] <Lux> Yenc'd version of freenet to download
[20:37] * greycat adjusts PF rules a bit
[20:37] * greycat (rfc1413@wooledge.org) Quit ("testing")
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[20:38] <toad_> okay, what was i doing?
[20:39] <toad_> ah, yes, too many transfers...
[20:39] <Lux> The Freenet Help Index is up
[20:40] <toad_> on stable?
[20:40] <toad_> new-stable?
[20:40] <Lux> yea
[20:40] <verl> hm, i cannot get a single page
[20:40] <Lux> 5089
[20:40] <jabawok_w> toad_ did you want me before? I'm up now
[20:40] <toad_> ummm
[20:40] <greycat> I've got Pussy Galore, FIND, and my onw.
[20:40] <toad_> ah
[20:40] <greycat> s/onw/own/
[20:40] <toad_> jabawok_w: show me:
[20:40] <toad_> the top of the Open Connections page
[20:40] <Lux> elcome to the Freenet Help Index
[20:40] <Lux> An Index of Help Sites, Applications, Utilities, and Documentation. Not just for newbies anymore.
[20:40] <Lux> :D
[20:40] <toad_> you're on 5089, right?
[20:41] <Lux> me?
[20:41] <Lux> yep
[20:41] <toad_> no jabawok_w
[20:41] <Lux> ah
[20:41] <toad_> but you too :)
[20:41] <Lux> sry
[20:41] <jabawok_w> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 83 (65/18/200)
[20:41] <jabawok_w> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 72 (23/49)
[20:41] <toad_> okay
[20:41] <verl> difference is now 78 trans vs. 55 datastate
[20:41] <toad_> now, the Environment page
[20:41] <jabawok_w>
[20:41] <jabawok_w> Uptime: 0 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes
[20:41] <toad_> the thread usage box
[20:42] <toad_> verl: 78 total or 78 receiving?
[20:42] <verl> receiving
[20:42] <toad_> ouch
[20:42] <toad_> uptime?
[20:42] <jabawok_w> Total pooled threads 41
[20:42] <jabawok_w> Available pooled threads 13
[20:42] <jabawok_w> Pooled threads in use 28
[20:42] <verl> 82 now, um, we are approacing 24 hours aren't we? :)
[20:42] <jabawok_w> is that it?
[20:43] <verl> 22 hours now
[20:43] <jabawok_w> yeah i restarted the node to get rid of (Transmitting/Recieving) 520 (0/520)
[20:43] * greycat boggles
[20:43] <jabawok_w> just kept going up and up
[20:43] <jabawok_w> even with nothing loaded
[20:44] <jabawok_w> (as in no frost, splitfiles, no browsing etc)
[20:44] <verl> cancer node :)
[20:44] <toad_> jabawok_w: the one below that
[20:44] <jabawok_w> lol
[20:44] <jabawok_w> Class Threads used
[20:44] <jabawok_w> Checkpoint: Native Filesystem Directory checkpoint 1
[20:44] <jabawok_w> Checkpoint: Opening connection 5
[20:44] <jabawok_w> freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface$ConnectionShell 1
[20:44] <jabawok_w> freenet.interfaces.PublicNIOInterface$ConnectionShell 1
[20:44] <jabawok_w> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 12
[20:44] <jabawok_w> freenet.node.states.data.TrailerWriteCallbackMessage:true:true 8
[20:44] <jabawok_w>
[20:44] <toad_> receiving 49, but only 12 DataStateInitiators?!
[20:44] <toad_> woah
[20:44] <jabawok_w> exactly
[20:45] <jabawok_w> anyone else getting a similar?
[20:46] <salahx> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 47 (16/31)
[20:46] <salahx> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 29
[20:46] <salahx> freenet.node.states.data.TrailerWriteCallbackMessage:true:true 20
[20:46] * greycat has 38 vs. 31 now
[20:46] <salahx> abotu the same here
[20:46] <Lux> receiving 37
[20:46] <toad_> jabawok_w: was it similar when you had 520 receiving?
[20:46] <Lux> datastate 32
[20:46] <toad_> how many DSIs then?
[20:48] <Lux> what is Addresses Detected by the Network ?
[20:48] * toad_ codes a workaround...
[20:49] <toad_> or at least something to detect it properly
[20:49] <Lux> and why do i have 2 ip addresses there?
[20:49] <toad_> Lux: automatic address detection, for NATted nodes
[20:49] <toad_> jabawok_w: is it rising fast?
[20:49] <Lux> one is mine one is not
[20:49] <Lux> mine has the number 65 by it
[20:49] <toad_> Lux: show me?
[20:49] <Lux> the other has 1
[20:50] <toad_> probably some wierd network configuration
[20:50] * greycat kills freenet and giftd just to watch what happens with a lighter load for a while
[20:51] <lostlogic> yay, I got FIND
[20:51] <Lux> lol
[20:53] <jabawok_w> toad_ : doesn't seem to be rising fast.. (haven't run frost at all sinse restart though)
[20:53] <Lux> so this clock skew
[20:53] <Lux> should i worry about it?
[20:54] <jabawok_w> sorry didn't check when i had ~520
[20:54] <jabawok_w> bbl
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[20:57] <Lux> anyone? should i install ntpd?
[20:57] <greycat> if you're on unix/linux/bsd, yes
[20:57] <salahx> ca'nt hurt
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[20:58] <toad_> hi jabawok_w
[20:58] <toad_> jabawok_w: stats now?
[21:00] <jabawok_w> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 83 (65/18/200)
[21:00] <jabawok_w> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 72 (23/49)
[21:00] <toad_> jabawok_w: and the Environment page?
[21:00] <jabawok_w> Class Threads used
[21:00] <jabawok_w> Checkpoint: Opening connection 2
[21:00] <jabawok_w> freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface$ConnectionShell 2
[21:00] <jabawok_w> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 9
[21:00] <jabawok_w> freenet.node.states.data.TrailerWriteCallbackMessage:true:true 3
[21:00] <toad_> woah
[21:00] <jabawok_w> are transfers not getting "closed" or something?
[21:00] * toad_ made a change that should prevent it from happening and fix it and complain when it does
[21:01] <toad_> except it hasn't complained
[21:01] <toad_> and it hasn't happened either! :<
[21:01] <toad_> my DSI is exactly equal to my receiving xfers since restarting
[21:01] <toad_> and yet there's nothing in the log
[21:01] <jabawok_w> when did u make this change?
[21:02] <toad_> hmmm
[21:02] <toad_> a few minutes ago
[21:02] <toad_> but there's a bug in it... it won't have any effect
[21:02] <toad_> so maybe the trailers discrepancy only appears after a while...
[21:02] <jabawok_w> my last restart was about 9 hours ago i think
[21:03] <jabawok_w> Uptime: 0 days, 9 hours, 40 minutes
[21:04] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 66 (24/42/200)
[21:04] <Lux> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 60 (24/36)freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 29
[21:04] <Lux>
[21:04] * greycat wonders why he still has ESTABLISHED connections from the Internet, through the NAT, to his freenet port, when his node has been down for many minutes
[21:04] <greycat> tcp In 192.168.2.5:51115 81.57.176.73:4762 ESTABLISHED:ESTABLISHED 03:13:19 22:59:52 28213 4169K
[21:05] <jabawok_w> freenet didn't sent a RST packet to end the connection before terminating?
[21:05] <jabawok_w> so it will have to time out..
[21:05] <greycat> is there some cleaner way to kill freenet than "killall java" as the freenet user?
[21:06] <salahx> kill `cat freenet.pid`
[21:06] <toad_> stop-freenet.sh?
[21:06] <salahx> that too
[21:06] <greycat> now I suppose I need to see what that script does these days....
[21:06] <greycat> (since I've never used it ;-) )
[21:07] <Lux> greycat- what does netstat say?
[21:07] <Lux> i use: /etc/init.d/freenet stop :p then again /me is a gentoo uza
[21:07] <greycat> netstat on the linux (freenet) box has no sign of it
[21:07] <salahx> yep same here :)
[21:07] <Lux> netstat -n | grep ESTABLISHED
[21:08] <greycat> no sign of it on the openbsd (NAT) box either... just in pftop
[21:09] <Lux> weird
[21:09] * greycat reads start-freenet.sh from his somewhat-recent CVS checkout...
[21:09] <toad_> it's tracking it ...
[21:10] <toad_> of course it's only up to 7 xfers...
[21:11] <greycat> I'm still getting 10-15 kbps in the default queue with both gift and freenet down, so I suspect it's probably SMTP conversations with spammers and so on
[21:16] <greycat> by the way, if anyone wanted to grab ogg/mp3 files from http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ this would be your best time :)
[21:17] <Lux> lol
[21:18] <Lux> wget -k -m http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/
[21:18] <Lux> (joke)
[21:18] <greycat> it's gonna go *really slow* once freenet and gift get started back up :)
[21:21] <toad_> hmmm
[21:21] <toad_> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 26 (16/10)
[21:21] <toad_> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 10
[21:22] <Pascal666> noone on #Linux or #Fedora knows how to recover a mirrored set from a bad hdd :(
[21:22] <toad_> Pascal666: ummm
[21:22] <toad_> if it's mirrored, the two disks are identical
[21:22] <toad_> can't you just use the one that works?
[21:23] <toad_> Lux: uptime?
[21:23] <salahx> you'd have to break the mirror, replace the other drive, then re-establish it
[21:23] <Lux> 3 hours 51 minutes
[21:23] <Pascal666> I'd like to try to rebuild the array, it might have just been a transient error
[21:23] <toad_> I suppose it might be that it takes an hour to finish a transfer...
[21:23] <toad_> in which case it wouldn't become inconsistent until then...
[21:23] <Lux> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 51 (14/37)
[21:24] <Lux> reenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 31
[21:24] <toad_> when do you first see inconsistency
[21:24] <toad_> ?
[21:24] <Pascal666> salahx: but what is the procedure for that? is it documented somewhere? what are the commands?
[21:24] <salahx> lemmel ook it up
[21:24] <Pascal666> I'd look at the man page, but I don't even know the command name
[21:24] <toad_> hmm it just went down
[21:25] <Pascal666> fedora gui setup it up for me during install
[21:25] <salahx> IT kae it you are runnning 2.6
[21:25] <lostlogic> mine is 47/44
[21:25] <toad_> 8 and 8 now
[21:25] <toad_> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 22 (14/8)
[21:25] <Lux> o and im runnin 2.6.3 or summat
[21:25] <lostlogic> 1:13 up
[21:25] <toad_> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 8
[21:25] <toad_> hmmm
[21:25] <toad_> lostlogic: 1 hour 13 mins?
[21:25] <lostlogic> ya
[21:25] <toad_> nobody knows how fast it diverges after startup?
[21:26] <toad_> I can send you a jar with a fix, but I'd like to properly fix it, which would involve reproducing it here
[21:26] <toad_> and then uh fixing it :)
[21:27] <verl> it doesn't seem to be growin though
[21:27] <toad_> verl: hmm?
[21:27] <toad_> is it inconsistent?
[21:27] <verl> it pends between 20-25 diffrence for me
[21:27] <toad_> if only by 1?
[21:27] <toad_> how long does it take after startup for it to diverge?
[21:28] <verl> i'll let you know when i do restart
[21:28] <Lux> for what to diverge?
[21:28] <toad_> transfers receiving versus DataStateInitiator threads
[21:29] <toad_> i restarted 25 minutes ago and the two have been identical all that time
[21:29] <salahx> well the tools you are lokign for are either part of raidtools or mdadm
[21:29] <toad_> and the code i put in to fix it apparently hasn't been triggered
[21:30] * toad_ turns off unstable node...
[21:31] <Pascal666> salahx: thank you, that helps a lot.
[21:32] <salahx> thanks
[21:32] <toad_> Lux: could you please restart your node now?
[21:32] <toad_> you seem to get them reasonably quickl
[21:32] <toad_> y
[21:32] <toad_> also any chance of trying a jar out for me?
[21:32] <Lux> ok 1 min
[21:32] <Lux> um me?
[21:33] <Lux> want me to stop/start?
[21:33] <Lux> or stop
[21:33] <Lux> get this jar
[21:33] <Lux> and start?
[21:33] <toad_> restart
[21:33] <toad_> hmmm
[21:33] <toad_> ok
[21:33] <toad_> i send jar
[21:33] <toad_> dcc?
[21:33] <Lux> ok restarted
[21:33] <Lux> im behind a firewall
[21:33] <Lux> doubt dcc will work
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[21:34] <greycat> natted people can dcc get, but not dcc send
[21:34] <Lux> ahh ok
[21:34] <Lux> used to crappy YIM send :p
[21:34] <Lux> try it
[21:35] <Lux> what erm
[21:35] <verl> toad: is it good to have two people try in case one doesn't get the malfunction?
[21:35] <Lux> exactly am i about to unleash on my poor computer?
[21:35] <toad_> verl: definitely
[21:35] <toad_> verl: want the jar?
[21:35] <verl> so gimme here
[21:35] <salahx> here ya go: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[21:36] <toad_> Lux: 5089 plus a couple of smallish changes
[21:36] <Lux> like?
[21:36] <Lux> what should i expect
[21:36] <toad_> including one that ought to detect and fix the bug in question
[21:36] <Lux> so i can tell u
[21:36] <Lux> if it does/doesnt
[21:36] <toad_> but if it detects it it should log an error at NORMAL
[21:36] <Lux> well i usually TAIL the log file
[21:36] <Lux> in a konsole
[21:36] <toad_> saying something like Finalized before close: TrailerReaderInputStream...
[21:37] <Lux> what is the error?
[21:37] <toad_> it hasn't shown that here
[21:37] * lostlogic (~lostlogic@node-402418b2.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) Quit ("Going to the moon")
[21:37] <toad_> but it hasn't violated 1 DSI:1 receiving xfer either
[21:37] <toad_> it's wierd
[21:37] <Lux> gimme a min
[21:37] <Lux> so i figure out where the hell i just downloaded that to
[21:37] <verl> toad: the thing we get, what consequens does it have?
[21:38] <toad_> verl: that fix, and one change re NIO
[21:38] <toad_> it seems to work okay here
[21:38] <toad_> oh and i get to root your computer and kill your cat
[21:38] <verl> i mean the malfunction
[21:38] <verl> oh!
[21:38] <toad_> the malfunction has the effect of receiving trailers not being the same as the number of DataStateInitiator's
[21:38] <toad_> verl: ;)
[21:39] <verl> and that kills all of town?
[21:39] <toad_> :)
[21:39] * toad_ sends an anthrax packet over the internet
[21:39] <jabawok_w> toad_ if you up it to my ftp i can run... I'm ssh tunnelled to a nat box so i guarantee dcc wont work here
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[21:39] <toad_> jabawok_w: good
[21:39] <toad_> how?
[21:39] <Lux> ok um
[21:39] <Lux> freenet wont start now
[21:40] <toad_> Lux: LOL
[21:40] <toad_> did you shut it down properly?
[21:40] <verl> oom?
[21:40] <Lux> yep
[21:40] <toad_> killall -9 java?
[21:40] <toad_> no java processes running??
[21:41] <Lux> my Fault
[21:41] <Lux> -rw------- root root :p
[21:41] <Lux> working now
[21:41] <Lux> so what should i look out for
[21:41] <Lux> and when?
[21:42] <TheSeeker> Toad: you still have FCP access on my box? I can't remember if I changed that back or not..
[21:42] <verl> lux: look for freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator on the enviorment page
[21:42] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 44 (3/41/200)
[21:42] <Lux> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 10 (3/7)
[21:42] <Lux> Data waiting to be transmitted/received None/None
[21:42] <Lux> Amount of data transmitted/received over currently open connections 468 KiB/503 KiB
[21:42] <Lux> Total amount of data transmitted/received 587 KiB/543 KiB
[21:43] <Lux> Number of distinct nodes connected 44
[21:43] <Lux> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 6
[21:43] <verl> and compare it to receiving on open conns
[21:43] <Lux> 6 to 7?
[21:43] <toad_> check again
[21:43] <toad_> is it consistent?
[21:44] <toad_> i mean is it still 6 and 7?
[21:44] <verl> mine is 20/20
[21:44] <Lux> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 8
[21:44] <Lux> to 9
[21:45] <Lux> DSI=8 Rec=9
[21:45] <toad_> hmmm
[21:45] <verl> try and load both in a sperate tab so there's no flux
[21:45] <toad_> it's finally diverged on mine...
[21:45] <Lux> and my ip is right now :p
[21:45] <Lux> lol
[21:45] <Lux> DSI=10 rec=11
[21:45] <Lux> DSI=13 rec=14
[21:46] <verl> so you should have a message in your log about it?
[21:46] <Lux> its a big log already
[21:46] <Lux> what to look for?
[21:46] <verl> TrailerReaderInputStream something
[21:46] <verl> i got it
[21:46] <verl> 2004-aug-05 04:03:31 (freenet.TrailerReaderInputStream, YThread-16, NORMAL): Timed out waiting for chunk in freenet.TrailerReaderInputStream: tr =freenet.MuxTrailerReader@1612e7c: ID=8738, curPos=16405, 0 chunks pending, 93 chunks recieved, wantChunk=true, ph=freenet.PeerHandler@a53564 (DSA(42ce f4ed 3231 1c17 ae1a 8bd3 3651 431e 472b 69f8),tcp/mynode.no-ip.com:11095, sessions=1, presentations=3, ID=DSA(42ce f4ed 3231 1c17 ae1a 8bd3 3651 431e 4
[21:46] <verl> java.lang.Exception: debug
[21:46] <Lux> yep
[21:47] <verl> i got it many times
[21:47] <Lux> Aug 5, 2004 3:05:04 AM (freenet.TrailerReaderInputStream, YThread-38, NORMAL): Timed out waiting for chunk in freenet.TrailerReaderInputStream: tr =freenet.MuxTrailerReader@392db8: ID=13505, curPos=16405, 0 chunks pending, 93 chunks recieved, wantChunk=true, ph=freenet.PeerHandler@fa706d (DSA(32ef 75aa a6c6 8530 2f82 6bd3 bcd3 4fd5 7691 7f5b),tcp/217.208.51.165:27719, sessions=1, presentations=3, ID=DSA(32ef 75aa a6c6 8530 2f82 6
[21:47] <Lux> bd3 bcd3 4fd5 7691 7f5b), version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5089): outbound attempts=1:0/1, bufferOffset=29, bufferLength=0, closed=false, super: freenet.TrailerReaderInputStream@1e8b327
[21:47] <Lux> at freenet.TrailerReaderInputStream.read(TrailerReaderInputStream.java:84)
[21:47] <Lux> 3 times
[21:47] <Lux> right next to each other
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[21:48] <verl> and it's not following any more
[21:48] <verl> 17/22
[21:49] <Lux> DSI=20, Rec=20
[21:49] <verl> 20/25
[21:50] <Lux> why cant there be a smaller openconnections page
[21:50] <Lux> my firefox freezes up every time i refresh that damn page
[21:50] <verl> you're in connections mode right?
[21:50] <verl> hit the switch if you are not
[21:50] <Lux> open connections
[21:51] <Lux> how do i get to connections mode? if i am not
[21:51] <verl> there's a link on there
[21:51] <Lux> that says?
[21:51] <verl> Connections [Switch to peers mode]
[21:51] <verl> although yours say connection mode
[21:51] <verl> right at the title
[21:52] <Lux> got it
[21:52] <Lux> 19/19
[21:52] <verl> i think maybe it should be made default since the other one is so heavy
[21:52] <Lux> hell yes lol
[21:53] <Lux> 20/20
[21:53] <Lux> they are staying in sync with me
[21:53] <verl> 33/29...
[21:53] <Lux> uptime: 12 minutes
[21:53] <Lux> and TFE is now available according to the icon
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[21:54] <verl> yes it's ironic, you can browse when you have small uptime but once it's up for long i get only rnfbackoffhell
[21:54] <Lux> lol
[21:54] <Lux> 23/23
[21:54] <toad_> verl: using my jar?
[21:54] <verl> yeah...
[21:55] <Lux> just checked log file
[21:55] * Pascal666 is now known as Pascal
[21:55] <Lux> got more of them log thingies
[21:55] <Lux> 20/20
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[21:56] <Lux> perhaps i should try browsing?
[21:56] <Lux> see if that upsets it?
[21:57] <jabawok_w> toad how big is that bz2 you're upping (so i know when its done)
[21:57] <toad_> 2.2MB
[21:57] <toad_> should be
[21:57] <Lux> Yoyo is now up
[21:58] <Lux> 15/16
[21:59] <jabawok_w> k
[22:00] <Lux> so what else in this version toad?
[22:01] <Lux> o_O... 11/13
[22:01] <Lux> o wait
[22:01] <Lux> 11/12
[22:02] <Lux> 10/11
[22:03] <Lux> toad_?
[22:05] <Lux> 7/7
[22:07] <Lux> verl...
[22:07] <Lux> whats ur figures like?
[22:07] <verl> they are at around 6 in diff
[22:08] <verl> maybe they are getting a little bigger
[22:08] <Lux> 8/8
[22:08] <Lux> here
[22:08] <verl> try browsing a little to get your connections up
[22:09] <verl> and see if it starts to break
[22:09] <Lux> i did
[22:10] <verl> probably just not integrated to the network yet
[22:11] <verl> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 94 (64/30/200)
[22:11] <verl> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 46 (16/30)
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[22:11] <Lux> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 59 (14/45/200)
[22:11] <Lux> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 14 (7/7)
[22:11] <Lux> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 7
[22:12] * toad_ adding yet more diagnostic code to find the bug...
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[22:12] <toad_> the problem of course is that it takes aaages to see whether it's worked
[22:12] <verl> toad: fix it before sleep or it will be in your dreams :)
[22:12] <Lux> its 3:30am here
[22:12] <Lux> i can stay up for 30 more mins
[22:12] <Lux> OK
[22:12] <Lux> i do have some semblance of a life
[22:13] <toad_> me too
[22:13] <verl> 4.30...here...
[22:13] <toad_> and the summer sometimes makes it difficult to get work done in the daytime
[22:13] <Lux> true
[22:13] <Lux> 10/10
[22:14] <Lux> 12/12
[22:15] <galt> great, I go from a RNF for TFE to a DNF :(
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[22:15] <salahx> wait, that's an IMPROVEMNT
[22:15] <salahx> that's GOOD
[22:15] <toad_> it is indeed :)
[22:15] <galt> DNF an improvement?!
[22:16] <verl> it's strange now i get no rnfs but once i start getting them once after that it's alot more common
[22:16] <Lux> I get TFE now
[22:16] <Lux> :)
[22:16] <salahx> DNF means it's acutlaly getting somwher. Maybe in the wrong direction, but at least it not stuck in traffic :)
[22:16] <Lux> 15/15
[22:16] <galt> inasmuch as the fire is an improvement from the frying pan, I suppose you're right
[22:17] <Lux> 16/16
[22:17] <Lux> its stayed consistent toad_
[22:18] <verl> he, can't get flybynight index due to dnf but i get the alternate cssswitch thing on firefox
[22:18] <Lux> a what?
[22:18] <toad_> Lux: it won't
[22:18] <toad_> but tomorrow i may have a slightly better idea what is happening
[22:19] <jabawok_w> now running 5089 'plus'
[22:19] <jabawok_w> Uptime: 0 days, 0 hours, 5 minutes
[22:19] <Lux> toad: do u need anything from me?
[22:20] <jabawok_w> Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 55 (15/40/200)
[22:20] <jabawok_w> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 11 (5/6)
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[22:20] <jabawok_w> Class Threads used
[22:20] <jabawok_w> Checkpoint: Opening connection 49
[22:20] <jabawok_w> freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface$ConnectionShell 34
[22:20] <jabawok_w> freenet.interfaces.PublicNIOInterface$ConnectionShell 3
[22:20] <jabawok_w> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 9
[22:20] <jabawok_w> freenet.node.states.data.TrailerWriteCallbackMessage:true:true 5
[22:21] <jabawok_w> hmm wait till it stablises a bit..
[22:21] <Lux> 15/15 still
[22:21] <Lux> the same
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[22:22] <jabawok_w> seems behaving sofar - firing up frost to give it a work out
[22:22] <Lux> what is frost?
[22:23] <salahx> THis: http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/
[22:23] <salahx> However, as of late; it is semu-unmaninietd
[22:24] <Lux> ok
[22:24] <jabawok_w> salahx as in no documentation? or as in no posters?
[22:25] <salahx> as in no updates to Front
[22:25] <salahx> err Frost
[22:25] <salahx> the boards are quite active; the develops of Frost are not
[22:26] <salahx> naimely becasue the lead devleop got hired to work on Limeware and ca'nt work on frost becasue of noncomplete clauses...
[22:26] <jabawok_w> hmm last release may this year.. thats not too bad isnt it?
[22:26] <jabawok_w> as in 20040528
[22:26] <jabawok_w> almost June even
[22:27] <salahx> there used ot eb updates almsot as often as Unstable Freenet
[22:27] <salahx> CVS has'nt been touched in over 2 months
[22:27] <salahx> they were also working on a "rateless codecs" project
[22:27] <jabawok_w> ...
[22:28] <jabawok_w> freenet.node.states.data.DataStateInitiator 29
[22:28] <verl> and the 'freenet for everything'
[22:28] <jabawok_w> Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 54 (14/40)
[22:28] <galt> verl: OMFG EOF is SO dead
[22:28] <jabawok_w> Uptime: 0 days, 0 hours, 15 minutes
[22:28] <salahx> well Frost is kinda like Usenet over Freenet
[22:29] <verl> once it was alive and well! ambition was running high!
[22:29] <Lux> "Sending IP addresses to NSA"
[22:29] <verl> such glorious times...
[22:29] <Lux> nice tongue in cheek i hope :p
[22:29] <salahx> yes :)
[22:30] <Lux> its asking for port 8481
[22:30] <jabawok_w> toad_ what are you looking for in the logfile?
[22:30] <salahx> port 8481 is the FCP port
[22:30] <Lux> umm
[22:30] <salahx> it lookso n 127.0.0.1 be default
[22:31] <Lux> yea
[22:31] <salahx> if you're node is somewhere else, you'll have to change it in Front, and possibly in freenet.conf too if you havent' already...
[22:31] <Lux> its cos i aint got freenet allowing FCP from other ports
[22:31] <salahx> then jsut chage it in the config adn restart Frost
[22:31] <Lux> did
[22:32] <Lux> yay it up
[22:32] <Lux> 6/6
[22:33] <verl> lux: and now you hit refresh on the top level folder in tree and watch it all fill up
[22:36] <salahx> be sure to check the "auto-refresh" setting
[22:36] <salahx> it turns it off if it can't find a node...
[22:37] <Lux> yea its working
[22:37] <salahx> At least as far as the message go, Frost works quite well
[22:39] <salahx> THe filesharign stuff is a whole other matter though...
[22:39] <Lux> 54/55
[22:41] <salahx> I guess Frost wasn't been workign too wawell lately though, as the trolls have mvoed to the FReenet mailing lists :)
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[22:42] <verl> the thing on support really broke loose
[22:42] <salahx> yeah
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[22:43] <Lux> 45/46
[22:44] <Lux> how long can it take for a message to appear on frost?
[22:44] <salahx> minutes, hours, days, weeks...
[22:45] <Lux> ??
[22:45] <salahx> deoepnds on how routing is feeling :)
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[22:45] <Lux> AT LAST
[22:45] <Lux> 26/31
[22:45] <salahx> usually a few hours
[22:46] <salahx> like everything on FReenet, YMMV
[22:46] <salahx> or probabyl YMWV
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[22:48] <Lux> 16/22
[22:48] <Lux> ok now i got a difference of 5 or 6
[22:48] <verl> mine is frozen at 6 it seems
[22:48] <verl> perhaps your's will too
[22:48] <verl> you have more connections now, that's why the gap is larger?
[22:51] <Lux> i had 54/54 before
[22:51] <Lux> i dont know why its strrted now
[22:51] <Lux> but im using frost
[22:52] <salahx> Frost gives Freenet a workout :)
[22:52] <Lux> yea
[22:52] <salahx> at it make lots of queies for tiny keys
[22:52] <Lux> yea
[22:52] <Lux> its fast too
[22:52] <Lux> relatively
[22:56] <verl> all in all, after one hours uptime transfers are okay perhaps a little high 101 (38/63), but browsing plain works and no rnf's. will see tomorrow how performs with more uptime
[22:57] <Lux> yea its good for me too
[22:57] <verl> the vanilla 5089 i had with 22 hours uptime was not usable.
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[22:59] <Lux> 35/44
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[23:05] <Lux> 39/48
[23:09] <Lux> good night freeneters
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