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[15:01] <interrupt> what was the trouble with PayPal a while back?
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[17:14] <KenMan> nobody in here bitching about stable , huh ? It must be okay then ;) Or else stable node-runners just don't come in here anymore.
[17:15] <KenMan> and unstable must be SO bad that people lost the motivation to offer any data on it...
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[17:20] <Pascal> can anyone else get to: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/netmail/netmail/ ?
[17:25] <iip_i2p> <mrflibble> yup pascal, i can get to it
[17:25] <Pascal> wierd, thanks though.
[17:26] <Pascal> I can get to freenet's cvs but I keep getting a proxy error there, even though I'm not using a proxy server
[17:26] <iip_i2p> <mrflibble> what happens when u try it then?
[17:26] <iip_i2p> <mrflibble> wierd
[17:35] <mikeDOTd> any word on when a stable build we be released that fixes rate limiting?
[17:35] <mikeDOTd> s/we/will
[17:35] <mikeDOTd> or why it broke after 5084?
[17:36] <KenMan> i have ideas, suggestions, and recommendations for toad. We will see after he comes back.
[17:36] <KenMan> mikeDOTd: please describe your symptoms...
[17:37] <mikeDOTd> I frequently see: Current estimated load for rate limiting: 790.5%
[17:37] <mikeDOTd> due to messageSendTimeRequest
[17:37] <KenMan> post-5084 version(s) tried and uptimes ? and anything else that might be useful...
[17:37] <mikeDOTd> i'm seeing this issue on 5088
[17:38] <KenMan> okay. I am not surprised. What is your current count of transfers ? and uptime ?
[17:40] <mikeDOTd> uptime is 15 hours, and i'm looking at (597/82) for active transfers
[17:41] <mikeDOTd> my current est. load for rate limiting is 250%
[17:41] <mikeDOTd> but it's usually much higher
[17:41] <KenMan> thank you for sharing your numbers, it is extremely helpful to me !!
[17:42] <mikeDOTd> np :-)
[17:42] <mikeDOTd> if there's anything else i can offer, please let me know
[17:43] <KenMan> we should have this situation rectified within a few days max. The easiest route is to re-release a 5084, called "5089" :)
[17:43] <mikeDOTd> *LOL*
[17:43] <KenMan> But I am hoping that toad allows me to try an experimental 5089 first.
[17:45] <KenMan> we don't really have much choice, if things are as dire as they seem, how can toad refuse to revert ? It would take him very little time to do so.
[17:46] <KenMan> If he is too bull-headed to provide this quickest of fixes, then we are all at his mercy.
[17:46] <KenMan> The evidence is against him. Unstable has apparently gone to crap as well.
[17:47] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> maybe a 5084ish build but with small chunk sizes would be good enough to call it 0.6, and then we'll see further
[17:48] <KenMan> no, we are facing a serious problem already, keysize notwithstanding !!
[17:48] * KenMan is unsure if *anything* could be 'good enough' for 0.6, by toad-standards
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[17:48] <mazzanet> tra la la la mornin
[17:49] <KenMan> hi mazzanet !
[17:49] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> we've been wasting such a huge amout of time and energy on NGR and ratelimiting, without much progress, that we should quit that for the 0.6 release, IMHO
[17:49] <mazzanet> KenMan!
[17:50] <mikeDOTd> Newsbyte: I agree. 5084 with the freenet-ext.jar update would make a fine 0.6 release
[17:50] <KenMan> Newsbyte, rate limiting and NGR are the two foci of any progress to be made. I understand the desire to 'produce' also.
[17:51] <KenMan> declaring an '0.6' really would have little to no advantage over 0.5 , other than excess code additions...
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[17:51] <KenMan> we keep going around the barn, but never getting into it.
[17:51] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> well, with smaller chunks we might have some improvement
[17:52] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> that is not realated to the next great algorithm for NGR, etc
[17:52] <mikeDOTd> a 0.6 release would bring in additional money to secure development of smaller block sizes, estimate fixes, and whatever else the fix of the month is
[17:52] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> true, true, though I would go for the smaller chunks BEFORE 0.6
[17:52] <KenMan> i am positive on the keysize thing, but I'm not a betting man. And I believe that the latest code updates have put us farther away from the barn door.
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[17:53] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> I mean, implemented as major feature...otherwise, since b/w limiting and NGR are crappy, 0.6 will indeed be no much diffeence then 0.5, for the enduser
[17:54] <mikeDOTd> i'm curious how the bugs introduced to stable after 5084 weren't found on unstable
[17:54] <mikeDOTd> that suggests to me a faulty QA process
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[17:54] <KenMan> mikeDOTd: your suggestion has great merit - 5084 + native big math support would be a decent 0.6 release. But toad plans to cook it a great deal more first. Isn't that obvious ??
[17:55] <KenMan> QA process ? ROTF holding my balls
[17:55] <mikeDOTd> :-)
[17:55] <iip_i2p> <Newsbyte> the keysize has many things speaking for it, not in the least it's pretty straightforward, and it doesn't involve a magical logarithm :-)
[17:56] <KenMan> yes, i hope to hypnotize him soon with simplicity ...
[17:56] <KenMan> what do you guys normally experience for queries per hour ?
[17:57] <KenMan> just off the top of your head... or if you don't know, don't worry about it
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[17:59] <mikeDOTd> KenMan: i'm currently seeing 3000, but 2 hours ago it was 6400, and hour before that 11000, 4 hours before that 20000
[17:59] <mikeDOTd> there seems to be a wave shape to it
[18:09] <KenMan> I am more interested in what levels folks used to see, pre-5085... but thanks.
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[18:39] <mikeDOTd> I have hourly data dumps of my node's inbound request's and datastore histogram (both general and detailed) dating back to 7/20/04 (US date format) if anyone is interested (all stable, upgraded daily if there's a new release that day)
[18:40] <mikeDOTd> i haven't gotten to graphing the data yet, and i meant to add more data
[19:05] <KenMan> mikeDOTd - that should prove to be eye-opening when you do graph it. I'm mainly looking for people who can say 'yeah, a month ago I was typically processing 2300 queries per hour' or something like that. But the more data we have the better :)
[19:06] * KenMan suspects toad is practicing his usual 'stay away for some days and wait for things to settle down' approach to debugging
[19:07] <KenMan> if we can get all the 5085-5087 nodes out of the picture, things may improve, but don't count on it...
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[19:13] <KenMan> i'm sure toad will realize if things are not improving by wednesday or so... or maybe he had something more fun to do today !!
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[20:25] <lostlogic> KenMan: I think you may understand toad more than about anyone else who's been around here since I've been around
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[20:28] <greycat> sanity may know him better
[20:34] <lostlogic> greycat: mayhaps :)
[20:34] <lostlogic> my node is eating all my bw again...
[20:34] <lostlogic> I think I may give up until toad fixes something again...
[20:34] * greycat has already done that
[20:36] <lostlogic> ahh, I have bandwidth ... and processor time ... and MEMORY... something must be wrong
[20:39] <greycat> maybe your freenet node died?! :)
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[23:01] <KenMan> with 5088, the weather comes and goes. People _will_ have periods of usability , but they may be fleeting :(
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