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[19:12] <toad_> <TheSeeker> Toad: should I even bother trying to run a node on this 250 MHz Cyrix w/Win98SE ? - sure, try it, it can only die :)
[19:13] <toad_> <Iakin3> Toad: Is there a good reason that leftedge[], centers[] and ra[] isn't stored in the same array?
[19:13] <toad_> <Iakin3> A 1x3 design instead of that cumbersome and bugprone 3x1 design
[19:13] <toad_> not really
[19:13] <toad_> fix it if you like
[19:13] <toad_> right now i'm working on announcements
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[19:33] <punkomat> on #p2p-hackers: "<arma> i haven't bothered to attack freenet, but i bet i could flush files from it pretty much at will."
[19:33] <punkomat> arma =Roger Dingledine (TOR etc.)
[19:33] <punkomat> how should i respond? :)
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[19:41] <toad_> punkomat: targetted flushing would be quite an interesting attack
[19:41] <punkomat> you need to generate a file with a given hash, no?
[19:41] <toad_> possibly
[19:42] <punkomat> though chance on that
[19:42] <toad_> e.g. to corrupt estimators
[19:42] <toad_> or you find where the source is and then flood that with htl 0 inserts
[19:42] <toad_> of course finding it will cause it to propagate
[19:42] <toad_> but maybe you can make it go below critical mass
[19:42] <jay> of course it could just be a boasting troll
[19:42] <toad_> and besides, it doesn't always ..
[19:43] <toad_> jay: indeed, we've had our fair share of those ;)
[19:43] <toad_> what is TOR? is it an alternative to IIP?
[19:43] <punkomat> hey, i am not realy gona respond, it's for my own knowledge
[19:43] <jay> punkomat: i hear ya
[19:44] <punkomat> no, it's onion improved
[19:44] <toad_> :)
[19:44] <toad_> well, e.g. if you want to flush it from a single node, you'd probably need a fair amount of bandwidth
[19:44] <jay> we get lots of overly confident psuedo-hackers who make lots of claims
[19:45] <toad_> otoh, pcaching weakens our response to search-and-hit attacks
[19:45] <jay> not saying this person cant do what he says, but im skeptical at first
[19:45] <jay> toad_: irc logs online -> http://newton.matcmp.ncc.edu/~lockej/freenet/chanlog/
[19:45] <toad_> well, if you can persuade him to tell you HOW he would eliminate a single file, that'd be interesting
[19:45] <jay> not sure how long i can do it.. but we'll see
[19:46] <punkomat> sorry to say, but most files will fade by themselves without any attack... from the movies &porn
[19:46] <toad_> heh
[19:46] <toad_> most files will fade because of routing not working
[19:46] <toad_> and because of load/routing issues
[19:47] <toad_> but we are working on that and i think we've made some significant progress
[19:47] <jay> my node was inserting FEC files at htl=3 with good success
[19:47] <jay> with the latest build
[19:47] <jay> i inserted about 2 cd's worth of mp3's in a few hours.. gonna get better times with the next run
[19:48] <jay> rewrite the script to take datestamps during the insert
[19:48] <toad_> jay: what do you mean by good success?
[19:48] <jay> i mean it worked without timing out too much
[19:48] <toad_> ah
[19:48] <jay> a few pendings and then a success
[19:48] <toad_> but is it retrievable?
[19:48] <jay> yeah
[19:48] <toad_> from other nodes?
[19:48] <jay> i did a test with someone in here
[19:49] <toad_> htl 3 seems rather absurd
[19:49] <jay> yeah
[19:49] <toad_> hmmm
[19:49] <jay> i think REmoveLocalKey isn't workiung quite right either
[19:49] <toad_> we ought to run some push/pull tests
[19:49] <jay> i get worse results when i insert with that option
[19:49] <toad_> what do you mean?
[19:49] <toad_> yeah, i heard something about that..
[19:49] <jay> i actually got 20 timouts in a row
[19:49] <jay> greycat and i have the same problems with our fcp clients
[19:50] <toad_> inserting big files?
[19:50] <jay> yeah FEC's
[19:50] <jay> well between 1-3 M
[19:50] <jay> usually less than 20 data blocks
[19:50] <toad_> hmmm okay
[19:50] <toad_> i'll try it when i get around to it
[19:51] <jay> if you use fcpput from the tarball on fp.org you should get good/accurate results
[19:51] <toad_> main job tomorrow probably is to get announcements working
[19:51] <toad_> jay: you mean i'll get the bug?
[19:51] <jay> yet another thing on the list
[19:51] <toad_> jay: overnight it'd be good to run some push/pull tests
[19:51] <jay> toad_: yeah.. you should see fcpput repeatedly timing out
[19:52] <jay> should i leave my machine on overnight?
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[19:52] <toad_> jay: can you, easily?
[19:52] <toad_> without problems?
[19:52] <jay> yeah it's not a problem to leave it on while i sleep for a day or two
[19:52] <toad_> fire risk? risk of not sleeping? etc?
[19:52] <toad_> ok
[19:52] <jay> heh nah
[19:52] <toad_> well have you opened FCP to me?
[19:52] <toad_> I'm now at 82.32.16.91
[19:52] <jay> same config as last time you accessed my node.. so it should all work
[19:53] <toad_> i think that has changed though
[19:53] <toad_> check it
[19:53] <jay> oh
[19:53] <jay> k
[19:53] <toad_> ok pm me the address
[19:53] <toad_> thanks for the logs btw
[19:54] <jay> irc logs?
[19:54] * toad_ changes topic to 'Upgrade to 5084 | Unstable: Upgrade to 60161 (60160: network level IP detection should work now); network reset at 60151 so 60151 is mandatory | Unstable nodes must be updated daily | Stable nodes should generally be updated weekly | #freenet-chat and #freenet-politics are open for business! Off topic discussions may be directed there. | Please don't tell us about overtly illegal activities | Logs:'
[19:54] <toad_> http://newton.matcmp.ncc.edu/~lockej/freenet/chanlog/
[19:54] <jay> i figured it would be cool.. so i did it :)
[19:54] * toad_ changes topic to 'Upgrade to 5084 | Unstable: Upgrade to 60161 (60160: network level IP detection should work now); network reset at 60151 so 60151 is mandatory | Unstable nodes must be updated daily | Stable nodes should generally be updated weekly | #freenet-chat and #freenet-politics are open for business! Off topic discussions may be directed there. | Logs: http://newton.matcmp.ncc.edu/~lockej/freenet/chanlog/'
[19:54] <toad_> well, in many jurisdictions we have a duty to tell people if stuff is being logged
[19:55] <toad_> so I've put it in the topic
[19:55] <jay> is 82.32.16.* the main address range?
[19:55] <toad_> yeah, but there's loads of people on tha
[19:55] <toad_> t
[19:55] <jay> ok
[19:55] <toad_> so just fix it for my specific address
[19:55] <jay> yeah
[19:56] <jay> i only have to mod fcpHosts yes?
[19:56] <toad_> yup
[19:56] <toad_> and then restart node
[19:57] <toad_> hehe, my /root/TODO is 22,593 lines long...
[19:58] <jay> it's been off for a couple of hours i just realized
[19:58] <jay> im at work and shell'ed in
[19:58] <jay> i dont think it crashed.. it was never started
[19:59] <toad_> hehe, so the spooks at work know your remote root password :)
[19:59] <jay> perhaps
[19:59] <jay> i hardly become root remotely tho.. so maybe not
[19:59] <toad_> or at least your freenet-user password
[19:59] <toad_> which is almost as bad ;)
[20:00] <jay> besides i work at a college; they can't manage information very well here :)
[20:00] * toad_ inserting a test file just to check that it works
[20:00] <toad_> hehe
[20:00] <toad_> sure, but many colleges are really paranoid. especially if they can spend some money on expensive contractors by being paranoid.
[20:01] * toad_ -> cynic
[20:01] <jay> paranoid about things that cannot hurt them
[20:01] <salahx> well fi you need to test a key I inserted Knoppix into Freenet: CHK@4PQbOTcoW2KlKpQWZmxKHnlSn7oRAwI,TFGuhFRsHjzZqiB2UPftrw/KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-17-EN.iso
[20:01] <jay> dismissive about real threats.. they're somewhat clueless
[20:01] <toad_> salahx: excellent... that's unstable?
[20:01] <salahx> Yep
[20:01] <jay> salahx: did u post that on Frost; and people complained that it was a waste?
[20:01] <salahx> Took 3 days to complete but it did insert (At HTL=10)
[20:01] <toad_> jay: if you can fix it by spending a large amount of money on a nice juicy contract, it's a real threat ;)
[20:02] <toad_> salahx: anyone else fetched it yet?
[20:02] <toad_> root@amphibian:~# fclient --FCPServerAddress 24.191.109.172:8481 put CHK@ 60106.txt
[20:02] <toad_> Using default temp directory: /tmp
[20:02] <toad_> Use --tempDir if you want to set this explictly.
[20:02] <toad_> State PREPARED reached.
[20:02] <toad_> State REQUESTING reached.
[20:02] <toad_> Transfer of 1015 bytes started.
[20:02] <salahx> I don;t thin anyone's tries yet
[20:02] <toad_> Transfer of 1015 bytes started.
[20:02] <toad_> 85 bytes transferred.
[20:02] <toad_> Transfer ended with 1015 bytes moved.
[20:02] <jay> salahx: someone did and i thought that was funny
[20:02] <toad_> The query was restarted somewhere on Freenet after a node failed to reply, waiting another 130 seconds before I give up
[20:02] <toad_> RouteNotFound, reason: No route found
[20:02] <toad_> Request failed.
[20:02] <toad_> gah
[20:02] <toad_> o well
[20:03] <jay> hrm
[20:04] <jay> that sux
[20:04] <jay> i tried running frost but im not running X right now
[20:04] * toad_ runs two push/pull tests simultaneously
[20:04] <toad_> in opposite directions
[20:06] <Iakin3> toad: It is not impossible that those 'inconsitency' messages are due to synchronization issue
[20:06] <toad_> knoppix comes on one CD only?
[20:07] <toad_> Iakin3: indeed but I thought there was trivial synch on SBKE
[20:07] <toad_> just sync all the methods that change anything on this, right?
[20:07] <Iakin3> Nothing in a class of 100+ lines is trivial
[20:07] <toad_> knoppix coming down...
[20:07] <toad_> 7 blocks in store, at least
[20:07] <Iakin3> Why do you then sync for instance lowestRAw() but not highestRaw() etc.
[20:08] <Iakin3> ok, I am off to be
[20:08] <Iakin3> d
[20:08] <Iakin3> cu
[20:08] <toad_> speed is rapidly approaching link capacity...
[20:09] <toad_> stuck on 14 blocks for now
[20:09] * toad_ wonders if it'll timeout overnight
[20:11] <toad_> 7/19/04 9:00:00 PM BST 355 29 0.08169014084507042
[20:11] <toad_> 7/19/04 10:00:00 PM BST 157 3 0.01910828025477707
[20:11] <toad_> 7/19/04 11:00:00 PM BST 186 21 0.11290322580645161
[20:11] <toad_> 7/20/04 12:00:00 AM BST 231 18 0.07792207792207792
[20:11] <toad_> 7/20/04 1:00:00 AM BST 353 24 0.0679886685552408
[20:11] <toad_> routingSuccessRatio is reasonably respectable...
[20:14] <toad_> salahx: knoppix download seems to be working...
[20:14] <salahx> good :)
[20:14] <toad_> Attempts were made to contact 1 nodes.
[20:14] <toad_> * 0 were totally unreachable.
[20:14] <toad_> * 1 restarted.
[20:14] <toad_> * 0 cleanly rejected.
[20:14] <toad_> * 55 backed off.
[20:14] <toad_> heh
[20:14] <salahx> BAU here on Freenet :)
[20:14] <toad_> hehe
[20:15] <toad_> this is only because i have a push/pull test and a 30 thread splitfile d/l running...
[20:15] * toad_ checks his backedOffCount...
[20:16] <toad_> woah
[20:16] <toad_> 7/19/04 8:00:00 PM BST 17.334841628959275 13.533665383952885 0.0 42.0 221
[20:16] <toad_> 7/19/04 9:00:00 PM BST 14.193771626297577 14.363721274462344 0.0 48.0 289
[20:16] <toad_> 7/19/04 10:00:00 PM BST 13.941176470588236 12.516248263287016 0.0 43.0 51
[20:16] <toad_> 7/19/04 11:00:00 PM BST 7.7421383647798745 7.319311924219732 0.0 28.0 159
[20:16] <toad_> 7/20/04 12:00:00 AM BST 10.272277227722773 8.947615584007862 0.0 40.0 202
[20:16] <toad_> 7/20/04 1:00:00 AM BST 10.353503184713375 10.435219479237706 0.0 44.0 314
[20:16] <toad_> !!!!
[20:16] <salahx> the isnerts must have owrk becasue my node wasn't on :)
[20:16] * toad_ thinks we should test the KenManHack globally one of these days...
[20:17] <toad_> salahx: what's your backedOffCount like?
[20:18] <salahx> well I' mjstu starting my node, hang on
[20:18] <toad_> well show me your daily numbers then
[20:18] <toad_> even if you can't get to the hourlies
[20:19] <salahx> i got eh hourles, its averging about lower 20's
[20:19] <salahx> 7/19/04 8:00:00 AM CDT 22.3552 22.80657046577272 0.0 87.0 625
[20:19] <salahx> 7/19/04 9:00:00 AM CDT 22.49527665317139 23.661042033103243 0.0 88.0 741
[20:19] <salahx> 7/19/04 10:00:00 AM CDT 21.465562336530077 20.867599527632084 0.0 82.0 1147
[20:19] <salahx> 7/19/04 11:00:00 AM CDT 18.62704918032787 20.33108933307643 0.0 84.0 732
[20:19] <salahx> 7/19/04 12:00:00 PM CDT 20.443271767810025 20.644863713108524 0.0 58.0 379
[20:19] <toad_> hmmm
[20:19] <toad_> ok
[20:20] * toad_ leaving both nodes on tonight
[20:21] <toad_> woah
[20:21] <toad_> 40% idle with 2 nodes running
[20:21] <toad_> one just started
[20:21] <toad_> NPTL is GOOD !
[20:22] <salahx> Yep :)
[20:22] <toad_> heh, spoke too soon
[20:22] <toad_> ah, just a blip
[20:23] <toad_> combine it with NativeBigInteger and maybe I can do what I want to do without having to upgrade my hardware for a while...
[20:25] <toad_> bbl
[20:33] <toad_> anyone got CofE yet?
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[20:43] <salahx> nope
[20:43] <salahx> DNF at HTL=29
[20:43] <salahx> err HTL=20
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[22:43] <ShaunMacPherson> http://wired.com/news/print/0,1294,64237,00.html P2P for democracy, a P2P application designed to share government secrets. This is something I2P should be involved with
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